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thank you for being with us. follow us on twitter. craig melvin takes it over in new york. >> andrea, thank you. craig melvin here in new york city. honoring his legacy. today we mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of dr. martin luther king jr. protesters kr r demanding the same things he demanded during his life. how far have we come? plus target or subject. a new report says the russia special counsel's team told the president he's not a target of his investigation, but a subject instead. does that mean he's safe? and trade war, get ready to spend more at the grocery store. china. slapped the u.s. with a new round of tariffs. the white house says we're not this a trade war.
but we start this hour with what happened that changed the art of history in so many ways. the face and embodiment of the non-violent resistant moment shot dead a half century ago today. dedeg grags, voting rights, faith in action, equality in the literal sense. itmany of the things that consud and ultimately up end dr. king's life are the core of protests and rallies and marches in remembrance ceremonies that have been happening all day from washington to miami and the city where dr. king was assassinated. memphis, tennessee, that's where people are marching right now. they are madging to the mason temple. that is where dr. king delivered his famous mountain top speech the night before his death. this morning speakers like john lewis remembering king's life, but also looking forward to what needs to be done to make his
dream a reality. >> i thiank god that he lived. e he taught us how to live. he taught us how to stand up, to be brave, courageous and bold and to never give up. >> msnbc is in memphis with folks marching there. peter alexander is live at the white house for us. tremain, i watched you with these folks who have been marching. how would you describe the mood there? >> reporter: it's kind of tough to call. there's a line between commemoration and celebrating. and celebrating the life of dr. king. but congressmen rating his death. when you think about memphis and the hallowed ground of the civil rights movement, selma and birmingham, but when you come back here to memphis, tennessee, where that day 50 years ago dr. king was slain, the immediate question that's plagued us for
decades is where do we go from here. i'm here near the head kwaquart of the american federation for state, county and municipal employees. they say there's a link between civil rights and workers rights. as you know, when dr. king was killed, he was in the midst of his poor people's campaign. as he so famously said, what good to have a black man or woman at a lunch counter next to white folks when he can't afford to buy a cup of coffee. so so many folks 50 years later walking in the legacy of dr. king pushing for environmental justice, criminal justice, immigration rights and rfrl. again, the mood is that once commemorative, mourning, but there is an energy here that folks are are ready to pick up the mantle and march forward. >> i noticed earlier i saw some signs. the theme there, i am. how does that theme, duh howe does it fit in with the legacy of dr. king and what took him to
memphis 50 years ago. >> reporter: many people failed to remember we're never taught that what brought dr. king to memphis was sanitation workers strike. 1300 black sanitation workers demanding higher pay, safety regulations, but more so, respect. so when you think about those days back in the day and had those signs that said i am a man, these iconic photograph now, but today's legacy says i am. i am a man. i am a woman. i'm an american. so to carry that legacy whrks you see these signs, it said once a throwback to the grainy photos we grew up with. but then you realize there's a modern legacy. a modern fight for justice. s personally when you think about criminal justice. or you think about the income and wealth inequality that remains in so many ways wide rer than in 1968. or the segregation of schools. schools are more segregated than
they were. so when you had the big umbrella, they are also next step in his legacy. >> peter, the trump administration issued a proclamation honoring dr. king's legacy. there was a tweet about dr. king with this video. i want to play it for our viewers and listeners. >> on this cherished day, we honor the memory of reverend king, and we rededicate ourselves to a grorhouse future where every american from every walk of life can live free from fear, liberated from hatred and uplifted by boundless love for their fellow citizens. >> should e we expect anything more from president trump today on dr. king? >> we're not scheduled to see the president at any point today. no public events ob his plate. the white house this morning posting that video. you hear the president asking americans to join him in remembering dr. king and carry on his legacy. the promise that king fought for could never be taken away.
and noted his impact on uniting americans. he's had a fraught relationship with communities of color because of in many cases his own words and rhetoric just last week the white house calling tensions between young african-americans and police local matters. charlottesville, the only inflamed the situation with his public comments, his slow white supremacist at the time. during the conversation on immigration describing african countries as s-hole countries, that overshadowed his remarks on mlk day back in january, where the king family member by his side when he was peppered with questions like are you a racist. he ignored them in the room but said he's the least racist person you have ever met. he was one of the country's highest profile birthers questioning whether president obama, the first black president, was born in the u.s. as well.
so he is in sort of, i guess, a fraught relationship when it comes to race relations. >> the former president talked about the legacy with dr. king with this panel he held with john lewis, who we just showed a a moment ago. what was that conversation about? >> this was a moving conversation. it was part of my brothers keeper program. . president obama launched it in 2014 specifically addressing the gaps facing boys and young men of color in this country. notab notably, the students he was meeting with alongside congressman lewis were from the only public all-male school here in d.c. here's a little bit of that conversation. >> dr. king was controversial, but he studied and thought and crafted what he had to say. and he knew what he spoke that he was expressing truth as well as he could know.
>> congressman lewis punk waiting the point telling students despite being beaten and battered during the civil rights movement, he never gave up. he called on those men in the room not to give up either. >> peter alexander at white house, thank you. we have assembled quite the panel to talk about the legacy of dr. king. i'm joined now by. msnbc contributor dr. eddie gloud. georgetown professor michael dyson. and she could be a professor if he wanted to, white house corresponde correspondent, thank you to all of you. how would you describe this state of civil rights in this country some 50 years after the assassination? >> we have a long way to go. i'm always mindful of the speech dr. king gave in 1967 at stanford. the battle is for e equality. he listed all this data from black unemployment to housing to
segregation of schools. he said we're worse off 20 years later. and here we are 50 years later. and when you look at all the data, by any major statistical measure, black folk are still falling behind. some ways to deal with dr. king's death, to deal with the actual life in the grave requires us to encounter what i take to be the myth of our national ininnocennocence. it require us to look squarely in the ugliness of racism in the country and how it continues to affect the black people in this country. >> if dr. king was alive today, how do you surmise he would view things, our current condition? >> well, he would obviously be extremely disappointed in the lack of commitment to the structural inequality that prevails in this country. at the end of his life, he talked about the great triplets of evil in this nation, which is
mi militarism, racism and poverty. and so those issues are a continual index of the state of the american spirit. e he would be disappointed we have a president who seems to encapsulate bigotry, to foster hostility toward black people and brown people and people of other colors against racial and e ethnic minorities, religious minor ities. and then he would be appalled at the lack of investment across the board in those who are stuck at the bottom of the economic order. so dr. king would be deeply disappointed. acknowledging some of the progress that's been made, acknowledging the increase in the black middle class, but then disappointed in the fact that there are barriers that continue to prohibit the flourishing of ordinary citizens in this country. >> as we look at these live pictures here in memphis, tennessee, just outside the motel, one of the things that strikes me on this day in particular, i know for the past
week as we have ramped up to this anniversary, there does seem to be a bit of a gap between how our generation and i'm lumping myself in with you, even though i'm a couple years older, how we view dr. king and how older folks view dr. king. folks who lived through the civil rights movement. how would you characterize the difference between the two generations and the way that we view his legacy? >> i think there's a difference in some ways because people that went to school like me in the '90s, you were taught this easy version of martin ruth louer king. he was all about peace and all about kind of a passive resistance. you study the man's life and watch the people who watched him work, which is the older generation. they realize he was much more of a radical and they remember how much he was hated by people and really vilified by even some
african-americans. so there's this idea he was having to -- he wasn't held up in holidays or monuments. he had to figure out the media liked to cover crisis and he had to really create these crises and show these and go to have these children's marches and all these things so that we have these iconic images of the civil rights movement. my generation you're taught they happened out of nowhere. when we know there's another generation who saw the planning that went into that. i think when i think about his legacy now, sadly, we're at a point i think we still have to have a crisis for people to talk about race in broad terms. there has to be a burning gas station before we can talk about police shootings. there has to be a young man killed in ohio before we can understand that they are shot by police. you have to think about the fact that the media has to understand there's a generational crisis
happening with african-americans that goes deeper that be just one off events, which is the way these things tend to be covered. >> you who something that caught my attention. i'm going to quote a chunk of it for folks. king's life has been reduced to the lead character in a fable. a fable of the nation that tells itself about the movement and culminates with the '63 march on washington. it's a neat tale with southern villains, height bed drama, tragic deaths and heroic triumph. it does not mention kung's depression. it does not reck b with what he told that his work has been in vain. the whole thing will have to be done away. what did you mean by that? >> the thing is is that we have rendered dr. king as a kind of santa clause. he's been kind of fixed into 1963 in those four words i have a dream. the reason why we fix him in
1963 because it's consistent with our national myth. it's consistent with this progressive narrative that we tell ourselves that we're an example of the shining city on the hill. so to really deal with the man in the grave, to deal with dr. king's life, you have to deal with what dr. dyson said. the fact that he challenged racism. . he understood that white supremacy was at the core of the country and distorted our ideals. we have to deal with capitalism. why? because we have to deal with militarism. and what it would mean for not only the united states at home, but what it would mean for folks around the globe. so to encounter king, the actual life is to actually encounter, how can i put this, to shatter the myth of innocence. this idea of innocence protects white america from this notion of guilt. and this idea of racial equality as a kind of loose expression of
improvement leads them to leave that racial equality is a charitable sbrer enterprise. dr. king was challenging that directly at the time that the bottom half of his face was blown off in 1968. >> you wrote something as well. in the times this weekend, we forgot what dr. king believed in. you wrote about black churches. black churches have been invested in personal prosperity and upward climbing at the expense of the social gospel. for every progressive pastor like frederick, hundreds more turned their dire warnings about sin into big. er cars, and more cash for their lucrative pastoral anniversaries. for every preacher, there are so many more pastors that use the bible to reprimand fornicators and black sliders.
has the church done enough to advance the legacy of dr. king? >> i believe not. first of all, white evangelicals have shamelessly put themselves before the altar of donald trump and worshipped the kind of hated denial of opportunity for so many others who are vulnerable in this country. and for evangelicals to be obsessed with personal piety at the expense of social conscious, they can no longer justice theiredtheir edadoration of a president that embracive, but who has personally and politically denied and rejected every principle and practice of the moral and spiritual uplift these communities are supposed to support. the black church, we have capitulated to a gospel of prosperity. personal piety. talking about the holy ghost without talking about the holy
hell that people confront. and in doing so, we have neglected to deal with the issues of our society that the members confront every day. martin luther king jr. before he was murdered convened a conference sponsored by the ford foundation in february saying that they were more obsessed with the size of their automobiles and the wheel base on their cars than they were about the conditions of those in their congregation. then he said they were a tail light and not a headlight. they were following and not lead ing. so the reality is that dr. king was making a harsh judgment about the nature of the conservative captivity of the black church. in 1962 he joined with other ministers to succeed from the national baptist convention then led by the gifted, but conservative minister joseph jackson saying that we need to find a more progressive forum
about social justice. to let the justice waters flow in this country. so dr. king had to split from sesh moments within the black church and forge connection and foundation with other progressive ministers to cry out against ts injustice that rang so powerfully. we do know, i talk about this, the way dr. king has been made a toothless tiger harks turned into ab emblem for commercial culture, when he stood against it. in 1962, dr. king made $230,000. that's a lot of cheddar now. he gave every dime except $10,000 to the movement and he kept that in order to pay his taxes. when he got the nobel peace prize, he gave every dime to the movement. he was deeply and profoundly invested in the revolutionary
resistance against social injustice, economic inequality in the country and the black church was often a bane to his existence and not a reverberating amen to the instincts he harbored. >> we'll have to leave it there. what a great spot to leave it. thank you so much. president trump spent a week saying it's time to pull troops out of sooe ya. now the white house says it's not going to happen right now. what changed the president's mind. a new report on the russia investigation. the message from robert mueller to the legal team that's leaving some in the white house a little relieved. before our break, we leave you with some of dr. king's most famous words. in the last speech he ever made the night before he died in memphis, foreshadowing, king said he'd been to the mountain
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nbc news learned president trump reluctantly agreed on a meeting tuesday to keep can troops in syria for an undetermined period of time. that decision comes after president trump twice in the past week promised that we're getting out of syria. >> we're knocking the hel lrl o of isis. we'll be coming out of syria soon. let the other people take care of it now. >> as far as syria is concerned, our primary mission in terms of that was getting rid of isis. we have almost completed that task. i want to get out. i want to bring our troops back home. i want to start rerebuilding our nation. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel is following this story for us. you're recently back from syria. how are decisions that are made in washington impacting the situation on the ground there?
and any idea what could have led the president to seemingly change his mind like this? >> so the decisions in washington and the statements by president trump are having a tremendous impact on the war against isis in syria. what the president said is pretty much correct. isis has taken an enormous blow. the caliphate has been reduced to almost nothing. what was a large black spot on a map that was the so-called islamic state has been reduced to two pockets in syria. but there's a real problem right now. u.s. commanders have told me they still need to focus on those two pockets that are remaining. and there's a lack of confidence in the u.s. commitment to not only eradicate isis, but to stick with our partner force. and that's why these statements
are really damaging. there are roughly 2,000 u.s. troops in syria. they are not necessarily -- don't think of them as combat power. they it don't go around to kick down doors. they are there to enable and empower a local force. a local force that's roughly 60,000 arabs and curds kurds fighting alongside it. they have been doing most of the fighting and dying in the ground combat. 4,000 have died fighting isis alongside u.s. troops. they hear president trump saying we're going to be leaving, we're on our way out and they think the united states is not going to have their back and they are already looking at potential other partners. right now, those forces are under attack by turkey. so it is a very kpli u indicated time. and the commanders don't think it sending mixed messages or sending a message of lack of resolve or commitment is helping
their cause. particularly as it comes to their partner relationships. >> richard engel for us helping us make sense of the news today. it was a fascinating special friday night, too, by the way. >> glad you watch ed it. thank you. robert mueller telling the president's legal team he's not a criminal target of the russia investigation. we'll look at what that actually means and how the white house is reacting. dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... commanded armies... yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney,
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new revelations on where the president stands in russia investigation. the "washington post" reporting the special counsel told president trump's lawyers that while he is still under investigation, he is not currently a criminal target. white house lawyer declining to comment while his personal attorney says, we do not discuss real or alleged conversations between our legal team and the office of special counsel. also today former trump campaign manager paul manafort was back in court trying to convince a federal judge to narrow the scope of the investigation, arguing that the special counsel has overstepped his legal authority. i want to bring in legal analyst
danny so va lows. what does that mean? is the president off the hook for now? >> finding out your client is a subject instead of a target is hardly a relaxing moment where you breathe out and say, oh, we're totally out of the woods. now i will tell you that generally speaking, some may disagree with me, but as a defense attorney, unless your client is squarely in witness land and not a target would you consider allowing them to meet with prosecutors or testify before a grand jury. but what the doj will tell you is that the technical difference between a subject and a target is that a subject's conduct is just within the scope of the grand jury's investigation. whereas the target, that means they have substantial evidence link iing that person to a crim.
practically speaking, i'll tell you what it really means. a subject can very quickly become a target if the subject sits down with investigators or prosecutors and tries to talk their way out of a pickle. >> how often is this used as a strategy of sorts? by that i mean could this be a special counsel's office saying we want to get the president in here and tell he's a subject. >> ordinarily, the doj will not subpoena targets to testify before a grand jury. for obvious reasons. it they know they are targets, they are not going to be testifying. if they have any kind of counsel. but a subject, they will subpoena to appear before the grand jury. they will sit down with anybody, but they are more likely to have a shot of sitting down with a subject. but either way, the president's attorneys are on high alert. and no matter whether they classify him as witness, subject, target, they are going
to proceed cautiously and assume that there are all kinds of perils in testifying and sitting down with prosecutors, because after all, this is an investigation bigger than most in recent history for the doy and special counsel. so all caution is necessary. >> what do we know about how the president is react iing private to this news? >> sure, so as you were just discussion, it's a cold comfort, but the president personally is taking comfort in being told that he's a subject and not a target. if that's misguided is is a fair question. we understand our reporting s w shows the president privately has been going around telling friends, colleagues, associates that he's not a target and he's excited by that. and that's one of the details that has made him sort of eager to sit down with mueller and his team. the legal team has been divide about this. some of his lawyers think he
should sit down. they are also aware correctly of the political implications of the president not sitting down. then another wub of the president's lawyers, who is no longer his lawyer in part because of this sort of dispute, warned the president, noun, that line between subject and target is a very thin one. you're more likely to do so if you sit down with mueller. >> ashley, you alluded to the implications. what would the political ill pli indications be if the president refuses to sit down. >> the concern from the president and legal team is in optics. basically, the president has basically said he's not a target. he's a subject. this is all a witch hunt. this is a hoax. he has nothing to hide and he should sit down and help try to put this behind him.
lawyers have been counselling participation and cooperation. that's what they have been pushing, especially some of the president's outside friends and circle of advisers disagree. there would be a sense if the president refuses to sit down in the court of public opinion perhaps why wouldn't he. he says this is a witch hunt. what he's so worried about? >> let's talk about paul manafort's court appearance today. trying to swab his investigation. does manafort have a case at all? >> it's an interesting legal argument. he's essentially say iing that e special counsel operating under regulations, which guide the cope of his investigation and by going after incidents that had nothing to do with the campaign and nothing to do with alleged collusion with the campaign in russia. mueller exceeded the scope of his authority.
now the government's response is that they are trying to fis miss many case. based on the idea that for a long time criminal defendants can't normally file civil sights dpens the prosecutors prrgt them. it makes sell. it would be an end run if a defendant could say, you know what, i'm dpoing to sigh you for swrongly prosecuting me. it would make a mess of our system. the regulations do authorize mueller's prosecution because it's been by rosenstein all along the way. >> thank you. as we secelebrate dr. king's assassination, his father would frequently tell the young minister at church to give a sermon torks make it plain.
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china retaliating against u.s.-imposed tariffs by imposing levies of its own. 106 u.s. products including soy beans, chemicals, goods worth $50 billion are affected now. even whiskey. the market seems to be reacting to a trade war with china. starting the day off down several hundred points. it has bounced back. now recooping most of the losses. let's bring in hugh. michael steel is with me as wel well. this is what president trump had to say yesterday, gentlemen. >> we have a problem with china. they have created a trade deficit, and i really blame our representatives and frankly our proceeding presidents for this. so we'll be working with china.
we'll be negotiate iing with ch. our relationship is very good with china. we intend to keep it that way. >> given china's reaction, does it sound like the relationship with china is very good? >> no, it's very bad. this is terrible economics, it's worst politics. china is the largest consumer of soy beans and i'm thinking about iowa, which went for president obama twice and president trump and the soy bean farmers who are not happy with this. i bet michael will agree free trade u is what built the reagan prosperity. a trade war is going to destroy it. >> soybeans, you mentioned iowa, 8 out of the top 10 soybean producing states are red states. iowa blg one of those. apparently the hawkeye state plants as much soybeans as it does corn.
he issued this statement. farmers join daca as the latest victims of president trump's temper. illinois is our nation's largest producer of soybeans, top producer of pork and will feel china's retaliation more than most america. cannot move forward in tweets and wild threats. michael steele, what's the end game here? >> the first thought that cro crosses my mind is can we just stop all the winning. this is way too much winning for me. so let's stop that. and number two, amen, i agree 100%. this is not the principled economic approach that it republicans have touted for over a generation now. with a large degree of success avoiding the type of engagement not just our economic adversa adversaries like china, but also with our partners.
you have seen the president back off of the full scale tariffs on steel and aluminum harder that it would hit china. the end game here is whatever the president wakes up tomorrow and says it is. that's unfortunately the state that the markets find themselves. the state that many of the producers in this country of soybean and crops and food products find themselves in. it is not the way you create stability in any of those markets for the united states, particularly given there was no reason for this. there was absolutely no reason to go full scale with this type of trade action by the administration. if you wanted to go after china, then there are ways you could carve them out. you can impose limits on the amount that they could send to this country without engaging in
taxing those goosds. >> this doesn't do a lot to address china's currency manipulation. we'll save that for another day. the president also raised some eyebrows yesterday when he talked about military assets along the southern border tweeting about that again this morning. our border laws are weak, while those in mexico and khcanada ar very strong. congress must change these obama era and other laws now. democrats stand in our way. they want people to pour into our country. we'll be taking strong action today. that was a tweet from a few hours ago. nothing from the white house so far. here's the reality. we have put this graphic on the screen. but a legal border crossings are down from 2000 more than 1 million to just over 300,000 in
201. but the president's rhetoric continues to overstate the real scope of undocumented border crossings. why does he continue to do this? >> there are two reasons. the 320,000 arrests atd the border are the lowest in 40 years. but it's still 320,000 arrested. how many got over. you don't know. and more importantly, what kind of danger do they represent? 66,000 americans died from opioid overdoses. two-thirds of them are illegal drugs. a lot of that coming over the southern border. so there's a huge need for border security. but overstating it serves a political need of energize iinge base and perhaps urn itting some attention to the democrats who killed the daca deal that he put forward in january b and february. all told, though, all of this is getting off the game, both. the tariffs and the border rhetoric. the game was 4% growth. the tax cut, deregulation, economic stability, predictability, he was sailing
along over 50%. that's because the economy was growing. these are diversions. i don't understand it. i'm hoping they u lock the door on peter's office. i hope john bolton get there is with free market optimism and i hope we get a u-turn on these two subject matters very quickly. >> michael steele, really quickly as we remember dr. king today. the top of our broadcast, we raised something that caught my attention. this idea that dr. king's legacy has been whitewashed to a certain extent. that it's also been coopted as well. what do you say so that? >> i agree with it. we have yet to be honest about race in this country. and racism. i think that e we sort of pat ourselves on the back for electing an african-american barack obama to president. we're in a racial era.
well we're not. we see what's happening within the black community and other communities of color. we know the red lining that still goes on and how difficult it is for minority businesses to grow. so there's still a great deal of work to do. >> michael steele, thank you. as we continue to remember the legacy of dr. king, and his call for civic engage the. this march that's happens h happening in memphis, oklahoma teachers walking out for the third day. this is a live scene there at the state house in oklahoma city. lawmakers do not seem to be budging on their demands. nbc talked to them about why this so so important to get more money for the kids in their classrooms. >> many of our students have textbooks that are older than them. 9/11 is not in some of our textbooks. >> it's all about teaching with love. there at the worst times.
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famous speech, the speech he gave the night before he was killed. he said in part, i remember somewhere i read of the freedom of speech, the freed of press, i read that the greatness of america is the right to protest for right. one of the lasting legacies of his, the right to protest. today thousands of teachers in oklahoma are doing just that. they are staging a massive walkout for the third straight day. nbc's gabe gutierrez remains on duty found out there in oklahoma city. gabe, i understand you sat down with some of these teachers. what did they tell you? >> hi, good afternoon.
you can see behind me thousands of teachers are gathered here once again here at the state capitol. the governor says she hopes this walkout will end by the end of the week, but there's no end in sight. this is no longer a fight about higher teacher pay, but about respect for public education. >> how many of you think teachers get enough respect? none of you? >> i feel like they think it's a joke to be a teacher. our legislators i don't feel they respect as you say is this about pay for funding? >> funding. it is not adequate. it does not put enough for things like new textbooks. >> if you could have a message to lawmakers, what would it be? >> put kids first. as teachers we put kids first every single day. >> how long do you think this
walkout will go for? >> slnas long as education is bg looked at as a joke in oklahoma, if we fail, who else is going to stand for them? this is the last straw. >> we spoke with some of those teachers, one of them told us he was forced to choose between paying bills or getting health insurance for his wife. they tell us they are grateful for the $6,000 pay raise, but they want to continue this fight. they say it is about school funding. they are back here again. no movement so far from the lawmakers. >> the struggle continues here.
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