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the pruitt through it? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington at the end of another wild week at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. the president ordered troops down to the border. he forced a game of chicken with with china over possible trade war. without giving evidence, made another startling comment about women immigrants getting raped at levels never seen before. in all this, amid all this, trump has reportedly shrined his chief of staff and is publicly standing up to his living it up epa director, scott pruitt. pruitt is facing mounting questions about ethics and spending habits. there's his reported fataste fo luxury travel that he often sits in first or business class. pruitt said he needed to because of unpleasant interactions with other travelers. meaning those pesky citizens in
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coach. he is the first epa administrator to have a 24-hour security detail that the company committeded. according to the "new york times," they requested a bulletproof sport utility vehicle with run flat tires and pruitt wanteded to use flashing lights and motorca motorcade. to expedite local trips in washington to the airport or just to dinner. at least one trip did that, a trendy french restaurant he frequented. at least five fishes officials i signed or demoted or requested new jobs after they raised concerns about the spending habits. any way, a spokesman called them a group of disgruntled employees who have been dismissed or reassigned. then there were other questions about ethics, that pruitt paid just $50 a night to stay in a
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condominium linked to a prominent washington lobbiests. in order, oil people. here's pruitt this week depending hymn. . >> why did you then accept $50 a night to rent a condo from the wife of a washington lobbyist? >> that is something that again, has been reviewed by officials here. they've said it's market rate. >> renting it from the wife of a lobbiest. >> hold on a second. so is that williams and jensen. major lobbying firm. mr. hart -- mr. hart has no client that has business before this agency. >> according to the "wall street journal", john kelly told president trump last week that he's convinced pruitt needs to step down. in order, go. today, sarah huckabee sanders addressed pruitt's job security. let's watch her. >> the president feels that the administrator has done a good
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job at epa. he's restored it back to its original purpose and we're continuing to review the concerns that we have and i'll keep you posted if there's anything further on that front. >> has done a good job. not is. this morning, trump tweeted that pruitt is doing a great job, but is under siege. the president talking. that might not be much comfort to pruitt as trump used the same exact language to defend other cabinet members who was forced to force out. >> secretary tom price is also here today. dr. price. still is the scout of helping to keep millions of americans strong and healthy as our secretary of health and human services and he's doing a great job b. david shulkin, our secretary. he's done a great job. the va was a mess. >> and they're all gone. after nbc reported national
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security adviser master was going to be replaced, a spokesman responded by saying he was just with the president and mcmaster, both together in the oval office. president trump said that the nbc news story is fake news and told mcmaster he's doing a great job. they're all gone now. for more, i'm joined by white house correspondent for the pbs news hour, would you say reporter and politics editor. all msnbc contributors. are you a god father fan? have you noticed you broke my heart? when your mother dies. i mean you're gone from here. saying your hail mary's. the same ritualistic way. >> except tom is telling michael to fire and kill fredo and he's not doing it. eventually, whoevers. the fact the president is defieing john kelly who's telling him -- >> i like the references. very sophisticated. >> yeah. >> but the fact that the
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president is defieing his chief of staff who's telling him to resign and telling him he needs to go and the fact you have sarah sanders, who's saying l k look, he's kind of under review. we koent don't know what's going to happen. if nothing else, if he did another interview like fox news and comes off looking that crazy again, the president's not going to have him much longer. >> tell me this. trade craft you xguys all engag in. how come we know when john kelly told the president about pruitt. how do we know he tells somebody b in press, i told him to fire the guy. >> you kroeb rate with more than one person. who y you talk to several people who can give accounts. >> looked at me like it was fake. >> we know in this case. >> that reduced the mood. get it going, i told you to get the guy. >> we know trump sometimes acts on contrarian purposes to what his chief of staff has adviseded him. we know that pruitt was in the
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oval office today. for a meeting where he's going to talk rolling back regulations. while they're pleading with the president, made his case. this is why i should still be in this job. he's lost a lot of allies in the west wing but still has unlike david shuk david shulkin. people who may not want to protect the the environment and they have been in the president's ear say iing this g is getting conservative stuff done. >> my experience sam is that politicians have to, they get their own scar tissue on their own. they don't want it from their own people under them. he's taking a lot of bad hit h from the media. he doesn't want that hanging on his administration, does he? >> no. we're reporting tonight actually that one of the subplots here is an increde amount of tension. >> the beast. >> the beast. >> the senior white house staff and senior epa staff in which
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part of the reason proouitt wen on is precisely because he thought he would get no air coverage from anyone else in the white house. >> then kelly told him to stop. >> correct. he felt like he had to go out and plead his case. now kelly's move here is a big gamble, if you ask me, to let it be known that you are this guy. if trump turns around and does not fire scott pruitt, it completely undermines kelly. within the administration. so i think there's multiple here. i think kelly is in a tough spot, too. >> in your reporting, trump v trurp's freezing out. >> no question kelly has lost a lot of influence, that the president has stopped consulting him. he opposed the hiring of john bolton. he did it any way. made the offer when kelly wasn't there. kelly didn't accompany him to mar-a-lago last weekend when he went on his twitter tirade about
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immigration and tariffs. he wasn't on the call. he wasn't on the one when trump called putin. and congratulated him against the advice of his staff and said to him, good job on your re-election and we know that john kelly, he is frustrated, too. he has told people around him that he hoped to make the year mark, which would be july. recently, he started expressing doubts he'll get that r far and the president is sort of, this is all connected to him feeling like i can govern with my gut. >> can you report now that the president of the united states, even though he's the top person in our government, has to sneak around his staff? >> he has told people around him, he has stopped sending john kelly. >> he's also telling people if he got rid of john kelly, he night not have another chief of staff. not only is kelly making it known he wants pruitt gone, trump is making it notiknown i t also just kind of go had and wing it on my own because i'm
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tired of listening to people. >> why is trump raising the temperature this week? i want to sum it up. the china war. the rape on the border. all this stuff. the caravans. everything. what is this whole i think when things get difficult for him when he starts to get nervous about the corner, i said this earlier this week. he just feels the safest thing for him to do is raise the temperature really high and get his people behind him even in the short run. >> i think part of that is because he's going back to campaign mode. i think he felt most at home when he was out there. >> april of 2018. he's going into campaign mode. there's no election. >> if you look at virginia, i was watching, wait, are we really talking about rapes, immigrants, throwing the paper saying i'm boared with infrastructure and go on a tirade about voter fraud even though that's been disproven. millions of people voted illegally. i think when he gets frustrated, he goes on this tirade.
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>> i think there's something to the fact that here's a man who throughout his life, certainly his professional life, has never been handled. no one's ever told him not to do things. >> it's worked for him. >> yeah, he got bailed out a few times. >> some kind of billionaire and he's president. >> i think that's a -- objectively true. >> you're sitting here talking about him. i'm him. >> i know. >> from his point of view. and to be at this point in his presidency, the people who came in with him to handle him, the people who brought in to handle him, have largely been diminished or put aside and at this juncture, he is going back to this idea that everything needs to be kinetic. also dangle a firing. >> always be fighting with somebody. >> we're in a world in which the media moves minute by minute. he has to grab the attention of that minute. >> he doesn't have to. he wants to. >> who else will if he doesn't?
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>> it's a vacuum that could be filled by someone that's oppositional. but this is quite rare for a presidency to feel like he has to dominate every single headline. >> a new kind of presidency. maybe a very bad one, but this morning, in an interview, he said he wasn't likely to attend the white house correspondents dinner. what he says is his reason. >> i sort of feel that the press is so bad. it's so fake. in many cases, they literally make up sources. nine sources within the white house have said. there are no nine sources. so i just think that i want to get it straightened out with the press before i do it. so it's probably pretty unlikely i won't do it. i had a rally instead last year. it was great. >> much funnier. >> the dinner was a massive failu failure. i probably won't do it. >> he's now posing at the scolding school master. like he has to wrap our knuckles as if you know going to find the
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press in err here. he's not going say they've changed their ways in the next couple of weeks. >> really i think this goes back to the fact that he felt wounded and was ridiculed and had to listen to barack obama say all these jokes. i think it goes back to the fact that he doesn't want to be embarrassed and he wants to be rmted. >> he's the star this time. >> he is. he's the star, but he can't take a joke. there are people -- people around him, hitting him like the gridiron. i think he had a good time. let's flash back. he had dinner, beat him that night. >> it was a charity dinner. he lost the room. he was so mean. he got booed. >> you know what he said. he said she's here to pretend she doesn't hate catholics. he was so rough. >> he is permitting white house
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staff. >> thank you. poor guy. >> i have nothing to add other than if he feels like we have to come to an understanding with him -- >> would you sign the -- >> for seven days. we'll see who this comedian is. thank you. coming up, the russia probe, mueller's investigators are reportedly tracking down president trump's business partners. even showing up unannounced ate subpoenas. this investigation is an iceberg. there's a lot happening, plus, president trump now says he didn't know about the hush money payment to stormy daniels. and what is the worst case scenario for stormy question.
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welcome back. there have been many signs over the last week that the investigation into potential collusion with russia is a alive and well. it was revealed eed that muell stopping russian oligarchs at u.s. airports. wlerned a cooperating witness has ties to russia. we also saw the first prison sentence handed down in connection with the probe and now a news service reported the president is interested in news partners. quote, armed with subpoenas with electronic -- business associate who is a party to multiple actions to trump's effort to expand his brand abroad. investigators are very interested in cohen, there he
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is, he's also deep ly embroil n this stormy daniels. the business deal secured or sought by the trump organization and russia, kazakhstan and russia. cohen is best known for attempt tog develop a trump tower project in moscow, an effort that took place while he was running for president and as "the new york times" reported, the special counsel subpoenaed documents this year. i'm joined by kim and natasha, who covers the russia probe for the atlantic. thank you both for joining us u. we're looking for what this tells us, kim. what does it tell you he's now fishing around and interviewing people, subpoenaing them, meaning they have to talk and their documents about trump's business stuff. >> it tells us they're blood hounds on the trail of where the
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facts go and knowing whether any foreign nationals or governments contributed money to a political campaign. that's illegal. >> what about the one on that trail. what led them to believe, what sent the blood hounds thinking, unexplained money showed up in the trump campaign? >> i know what we know is just the tip of the iceberg. there's a lot of information and dots that we need to connect that we can't do because we don't have the information. but we know that this process was ticked off by the interview in london then at this point, they're talking to gates and mr. flynn and gates had a right hand first front row seat, excuse me, with manafort to what was happen ng the trump campaign. >> natasha, we've watched ed al this week all these different little tentacles. still the question of what happened to say shells. what david nard had to do with that. he wasn't just somebody from the
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emirates. he was there as a sort of in between person, but in fact, he may have been part of the russian deal. all the time, michael cohen, is trump, was he trying to make money as he ran for president. was he entangling both? >> his investigation was going shift into a follow the money type probe in terms of whether or not the president had, russia had leverage over the president. it would be proenl in form of something financial because his real estate empire. with result to nader, there was reporting this week he met with eric prince to kind of prebriefm on this russian financier. what i've heard is that this meet ng was about activating some bank accounts and that is of course something that mueller would be interested in is why was eric prince, who was a trump supporter, de facto member of
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the trump campaign meeting with this ruggen financier who's close to putin and what can george nader tell mueller about it. michael cohen has been privy to every deal trump has made in the last couple of decades. if he ever entered into business with someone tie w ties to putin, he would know about it. so of course he's a valuable witness and now he might be in the position to be flipped and cooperate with mueller. >> what struck me this week is that mueller's people are stopping oligarchs at the border. they're grabbing them saying let's see your computer, your laptop. they start going through it. this is pretty aggressive stuff. >> the element of surprise is quite helpful in their, to their advantage in this instance, but i agree that mr. cohen is not only in the middle of it, with daniels, he's either violating his ethics rules with respect to his lawyering or he's not telling us the truth. one way or the other, he's
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covering. >> jumping ahead, since i've got you here, the fact he signed the president up for a nondisclosure agreement using his signature, at least david dennison, aka, now trump says he didn't know anything about it. one of them is not telling the truth. >> for sure. >> i should say the president isn't telling the truth. >> they're not. >> can a lawyer sign somebody up for a contract without their permission? >> no, and not without communicating with their client about what they're planning to do. it's not realistic. we have to have, be realistic about the facts then decide what do we do. >> how would the president at the time when he signed this deal with a client know he wasn't supposed to talk b about the affair with stormy daniels? has anybody brought that up? >> yeah. >> i think we're obliged to do something under a krot. both parties, don't talk about it under this agreement.
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but an attorney never tells his client he's tied to this. zpl i think one of the saving graces in all this for trump is that he never sign ed the agree. that's part of the reason they're arguing now is that it's invalid. so that's not actually a magical thing in contract law. they both performed on the agreement. i don't think that's going to be anything. >> okay with the fact is trump should have known. new court filing in the paul manafort case indicates that investigators obtained a new search warrant as recently as last month. apparently, the seven-time warrants have been issued and executed in connection. this guy, talk about a full-court press and the filing indicates this was associated with five telephone numbers controlled by at&t. which subject that investigator rs probing new lead. it was obtained march 9th, the same day former trump adviser testified before the grand jury.
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natasha, seven times this guy has been searched? this seems like something out of homeland. just roaring in and clearing out every drawer in his, looking for under the socks. >> paul manafort's entry into the campaign coincided with the most pivotal russia relateded moment of the entire election, which of course was the dumping of the dnc e-mails right before the democratic national convention. so paul manafort of course he was in touch with his long time business associate, who has been accused by mueller of being a russian spy and now, we know gates and manafort were still in touch with him throughout the entire election. paul manafort, he has been working with russian and ukrainian oligarchs for decades. he was always going to be at the center of this question of whether or not the campaign colluded with the russians. if not because his entry into the campaign coincided with the most important episodes of the entire campaign. >> it's amazing how these
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international figures look like what they are. manafort just looks, he just looks like he would be involved in this kind of stuff. i know you lawyers can't think like that. thank you. up next, president trump says he didn't know about that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. the story continues to plague trump. what's the worst case scenario? is there one or can he get by this? not sure. people argue around here about that. is this a big deal or not? we'll see. this is "hardball", where the action is.
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welcome back to "hardball." president trump has finally broken his silence on stormy daniels. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. then why did michael cohen make this -- >> you have to ask him. michael is my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> the president later ignored a question b about whether he ever set up a fund as to which he could draw from. he use d his organization e-mai while arranging the 130,000 hush money payment. just days before the 2016 election. in october of 201. nip way, daniels has offer ued to give back the money she was
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paid in your opinion to speak freely. the white house has denied there was an affair. daniels is now suing the president to avoid that nondisclosure agreement. the lawyer told ari the claims strengthened his client's case. >> we waited patiently and christmas has arrived. the president's comments on air force one are serious for him. serious for michael cohen. how can you have an agreement when one party claims they don't know anything about it. these guys are making it up as they go along and our case just got a whole lot better. >> he's effectively thrown michael cohen under the bus with the state bar of new york by making these statements on air force one, but again, you know, this is an undisciplineded guy who you know, he just finally cracked. >> with more, i'm joined by
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katy. i don't want the make that case any bigger than it is, so what's the worst could happen to the president in this fandango? the worst. >> the worst that could happen to the is already happening. that is robert mueller. so what do i mean by that a? robert mueller has already put his sights upon michael cohen. we just heard he's looking with an exceptional level of scrutiny at trump organization deals with russia, georgia, the ukraine, kazakhstan and he want to look at specifically michael cohen's involvement. what does daniels have anything to do with this? the reason why trump and do you feel that chill? because that's donald trump leaving michael cohen out in the cold. he is denying any knowledge or involvement in this stormy d daniels deal because he does not want to be a cospon spir tor with michael cohen for any campaign finance violations or
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anything else that could have to do with him. but the problem for donald trump is this. even though there's a privilege tha that exists between an attorney and client that could protect communications, correspondents, at this point in time, a crime fraud exception aplies. mean iing if mueller hauls in michael krrk ohen and asks him to talk about certain communications and because there's this fraud exception, he may be forced to disclose his communications, so that is the worst case scenario for trump. it's already happening and he's not going to be able to stop mueller! in order, if the attorney in the case is a target himself of the investigation. >> cohen is a target. basically, so you have this privilege, attorney client privilege, but if there's the assistance of a crime, you can't hide behind the privilege as the lawyer or client. so as a result of that, there's going to be a serious problem for cohen, so that's why trump is denying everything.
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>> let me ask the other question. the intermediate question, which is what michael said there on tape. if there was a nondisclosure agreement, the obvious purpose is that she will not talk about what she and she did together. now, according to the argument michael made, however, it's two ways. a nondisclosure agreement binds both parties to silence. so therefore, it could not have been made without telling one of the parties the president in this case, that he was supposed to keep quiet about it. >> yes. so if trump himself is not a party to the contract and if trump himself had no knowledge about the payment, which was the consideration given to stormy daniels to buy her silence, then why in the world is trump joining in a motion to compel arbitration, why is trump joining in a federal lawsuit if trump had nothing underlying contract.
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that's why michael is going to renew his motion next week to ask the federal judge to be able to take a limited deposition of donald trump and michael cohen before this case gets ruled upon. >> back to an earlier question. i meant to say in that question, would an attorney be ethical in binding his client to silence without telling donald trump i just banned you to silence. woul that be ethical? >> no. the answer is no. michael cohen cannot be binding a client to anything without the approval, assent and agreement. and in the absence of that, how is he able to do that. >> flip your head around for a second here. i have never met you, but you understand this case, obviously, clearly, how does trump get out of it? imagine you are now his lawyer. how does he swing this whole to the point where it doesn't matter in a month? >> two crucial issues. one, if you look at the beginning of the settlement agreement, it says essential n
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contants llc and/or donald trump and stephanie daniels or cliffords, excuse me. so if you read the beginning of the agreement, it looks as if essential consultants llc could be an adwreemt. she took the money and she exercised and or performed under the contract. so if i'm donald trump, i say look, that was bargained for. she did what she was supposed to do. i did what i was supposed to do, there's your meeting of the minds, your contract. we're going to arbitration. >> thanks so much. have a nice weekend. you've been great on this show. up next, trgowdy saying he doesn't have a lot to show for his time in washington. why do lawmakers only speak the truth when they're heading out the door? watching "hardball." ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian,
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to rebuild our community. what happened? >> well, what happened was that we all knew that was going to be big news for a while, so we came down here. bush, clinton, wilson, all of us, got our pictures taken. pretty much forgot about it. >> did he just say what i think he said? >> see where he's going with this. >> welcome back. warren beatty playing the senator who fessed up to his life of bs. that's from the film bullworth in which he portrays a senator who tells about his career how it is. trey gowdy is having a bullworth moment of his own. in an interview, he said congress is ham p ppered by ineffectiveness. >> you didn't like this job, did
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you? >> this sounds self-serving, but i like the people. >> but the job. i understand the people. you don't like the job? >> i'm an executive branch guy. >> eight years you did it. >> seven. soon to be eight, if i make it. to the extent, men judge themselves based on what they do for a living. i don't have a lot to show for the last seven years. >> the president of the united states, the leader of the republican party, called you a loser. depending on how you judge the purpose of the benghazi investigati investigation, a lot of people would say i was a loser. >> wow. after all those hours of testimony by the former secretary of state, hillary clinton, he's admitting it was all a waste. any way, you won't be seeing me running for political office again. he said i'm done. the former federal prosecutor has faced the eyre of certain prosecutors in the last couple of weeks. >> given the time, the resources, the independence to do his job and when you are
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innocent, if the allegations can is collusion with the russians and there's no -- >> i'm glad we have bob mueller. an independent. congress has proven itself incapable of conducting serious investigations. >> congressional investigations leak like the gossip girls. they're terrible. and i would be telling you that if i were staying in congress. they're just not serious. >> if you have nothing to hide, sit down. assuming a fair prosecutor, a fair prosecutor and i think mueller is, sit down and tell him what you know. >> he said the president has no room to breathe a sigh of relief because he's not target. that's the word. of the mule every investigation. >> so you would not say, you wouldn't have a sigh of relief. >> heavens no. i'll have a sigh of relief when the investigation is over e and even then, maybe not. >> well the republican lawyer best known for leading the house
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>> that's the goal. the goal is to win. >> welcome back. that's the word for it. throughout south carolina, republican congressman, trey gowdy speaking his mind on the state of the republican party right now. on his way out. let's bring in the "hardball" round table. you know, i really like that movie that beatty did years ago. young hallie barry in that picture. all the fund raising, the toting up the interest groups and ethnic groups and playing the game everybody plays. they know it's a game. pandering, they can't do it anymore. but they never tell you that until they're walking out the door. here's gowdy saying his seven-year career is a waste. how many hours with hillary.
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11? i thought it was a waste at the time. i think a better hearing might have done a better job, but what they did didn't. >> well, i mean, look at mark -- >> hi, richard lui here at msnbc headquarters. we're breaking into our regular programming to get you straight to trump tower here in manhattan midtown. this is the residence of president trump when before he became president. we understand there's a three alarm fire at trump tower. one seriously injured. that is reported at the moment. we do understand that the president is aware of it. in fact, he did tweet this in reaction to this fire. fire at trump tower is out. very confined. well built building. firemen and women did a great job. thank you. and again, a three alarm fire. just getting this information. at a 6:46 evening hour on a saturday. it's a cool evening, but as you can tell, at the moment, on the
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right hand side of your screen, you can see some of the units that have been deployed of this three alarm fire then at the lower end, right below what is the wording, you can see more of the trucks thask t have been deployed here. a couple of hooks and ladders that have now arrived. we were getting some information related to this three alarm fire that there were flames on the upper floors, we're not sure which floor exactly. at this moment because the information is just coming in to us here at msnbc. but again, we're breaking into regular programming the 6:47 local time here in new york city. the three alarm fire at trump tower. this is where president trump lived before he became president and moved to the white house. we are unaware -- and so what we understand right now is that both the first lady, melania
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trump, as well as son, barren, n not here at the time. at this moment. they're in washington, d.c. that would be another question many would be concerned about. that the first lady as well as the first son might be back in d.c. but, excuse me, in new york, but they are in d.c. at the moment. we are hearing that the flames on this upper floor was a residential unit. we do not know which floor of this particular fire, but we know that the again, the president is aware of what happened as you saw on that tweet that i shared with you. it's a three alarm fire with one person seriously injured. and this is what the president said earlier. fire at trump tower is out. very confined. well built building. we have tom winter from nbc news' investigative unit with more on that. tom, what are you hearing? >> so, at this point, the fire has been knocked down. just talked to a senior fire
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department official. right now, they have 140 firefighters on scene. it's a three alarm fire response and at this point, there is one serious injury. that injury was not to a firefighter, so there's somebody who was at the building. not sure if it's somebody b who lives at trump tower, works there or is part of the building you know, is a building employee, so the details on who that person is at this point is unclear. the information that somebody was injured just came in. so that's kind of preliminary at this point. the fire has been officially deemed knocked down, so what does that mean? it means that the visible flame and the bulk of the fire is out. at this point. make sure there's nothing that was overlooked in response, in responding to the fire. then in addition to that, they're going to start the ventilating process.
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and that's as far as getting smoke out of the building. so at this point, that's where things stand. no longer any additional units being added to the fire. and at this point just to recap, one person has been seriously injured, and at this point there's been no injuries to firefighters, 140 of them on scene. >> yeah, tom, you were reporting earlier 140 firefighters and i was watching some of live video, as we saw some of the firefighting personnel now leaving it, appears, or walking away from the entrances to the trump tower, and you are also reporting that the 50th floor and other floors is where there was smoke. is that correct? >> reporter: right. so basically the fire occurred in multiple units on the 50th floor, i'm told. i'm not sure on that floor if it's all residential or residential and offices. it's just not clear, but at this
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point there were multiple units. obviously in a fire, and i believe there's some video of this, a fire that was briefly intense, you're going to have smoke not only on the 50th flier, but the floors above and possible the floors below, but typically the floors above. one of the things i was hearing the firefighter, there's an incident commander, one of the battalion chiefs that's on scene, and he was asking for some of the units to bring in some of their fans, and how that works is it's just a way for them to create some positive pressure and push the smoke out of the on parts of the building where it still was in there. and the ventilation system may have even shut down to stop the spread of fire, so they want to move the smoke out there, allow help with searches, make sure nobody else is injured from inhaling smoke. that's a normal part of the
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firefighters watching this. that's a normal part of a post-fire, one of the things you want to do is get that smoke out of there, and allow you to search and see if there's any fire hiding in the walls. in a large building like this where you have a lot of steel concrete construction and firepro fireproofing, that may be less of a concern, but that's something they're working on. >> we have seen this, you and i both being in this part of manhattan, where they will occasional close down certain streets, of course, for security reasons. did they increase that cordon? though it's a common practice for law enforcement to do that around trump tower. >> reporter: well, great question. i haven't had an opportunity to speak to the nypd, but anytime you have a third alarm response of this size, it's called a 10-77, working fire in a
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high-rise, you'll have police involved both for crowd control, i mean any time a fires on fifth avenue on a saturday night, you'll need crowd control. you'd need the ability to divert traffic, and the nypd there just to help with manpower. i would presume they would be going there, but at this point there's no indication that there's a criminal need for them to be there. >> right. >> reporter: but yeah, i would imagine that fifth avenue right now would be pretty miserable to try to travel down in new york city, but one could say that on any night at this time. so traffic will be bad, and there's a lot of ladder units that are there, so those fire fighting units take up a lot of space. i would not by spreed if nypd was there for that, but i
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haven't had a chance to talk about that. >> you're the man with all resources, tom winter. we're getting more information, and we believe the fire has been extinguished, that's what we are hearing. we also have a picture that's been put out by the fdny, which we can show of the fire when it was happening, that head put out. this tweet reads of a three-alarm fire at 721 fifth avenue, there are currently no injuries reported. you get a sense of where that fire is. not at the top of the building itself of trump tower. somewhere it looks like to be maybe ten or 15 stories below. the building itself is a 68-story building, mixed use, as many know. on the lower floors you have retail. it's also home to the corporate offices of the trump
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organization, and it also has new york's tiffany location right next door to the world famous tiffany's as i'm pulling facts from the trump tower site. right there on 5th avenue there in midtown as tom was telling us, and it, again is a 68-story building. it was built in 1984. we have these pictures, on the live on the left-hand side, and also the white house producers monica alba joining us along with tom winter. monica, we did get some commentary from the president. he was, of course, very appreciative of the fdny and what they were able to do. we're showing on the right-hand side a picture from early when flames were actually coming out of the building windows, and they see are glass windows that are after that floor.
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what do you know? >> that's right. as we so often do, the first response from the president sometimes comes on twitter. that's where we have heard from him directly, as you mentioned, that the fire is now out and he wanted to thank the firemen and women for the job they had done. now, we know that in addition to the president being at the white house tonight, the first lady and their son barron are both in washington tonight. it's an interesting night here, because the pool who covers the president has been called to a later than normal call time this evening, which suggests the president could possibly be heading out to dinner or there could be an evening activity for the day. as you know, the president did not golf today, did not have any public events on his schedule, so we're still waiting to find out what else he might be doing. as is typical, he may be heading to dinner at his hotel nearby with his family. we may know about that later, but as you saw, he's grateful to
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the firemen and women who have put out this fire and also mentioned he felt the fire was very confined due to the well-built building. that's what we know, and we'll keep you posted on what else we may learn. >> monica, thank you so much. if you get more information, of course we'll go straight back to you. we're also hearing from the fdny, we were reporting earlier it was a three-alarm fire. we are hearing now it's a four-alarm fire. tom winter saying about 140 fire department personnel were deployed here on 57th and fifth. this is a very -- if you've been to this part of manhattan, you know it is a very busy shopping retail space. just within this very corner, you've got location like
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burberry, lieuies vuitton, chanel, tiffany, and it's got its own collection of high-end retail locations. it is a 68-story building, but on the lower floors there are five levels of retail -- restaurants, some galleries down in that space. but during a normal day like saturday, it tends to be a busy day. you will always see the new york police department in front there with the metal cordons on the street, on certain days, always being monitored by the new york police department, as was said earlier, this is the home to the corporate offices of the trump organization here at trump tower. one of the key buildings in the trump empire and its real estate holdings, and of course the
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residence before he became president for donald trump. monica did underline that both barron as well as melania, the first lady and first son, not here today. they're in d.c. we understand there's one seriously injured in this incident. the picture on the right is where the fdny put out the visual of what was earlier. that fire is now out, but again if you're just joining us, a four alarm fire at trump tower in new york city throat on the corner of fifth avenue and 57th street at the moment, you can see in the live pictures there's still hook-and-ladders and then on the right-hand side, there were also some fdny vehicles.
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you can see in the reflection in the windows some of the other units that are on location. there are several sbraxs to this. we're looking at 57th on one side and fifth on the other. there's also an entrance on 56th. there's many ways to get in and out of the building. you can see some of the personnel coming and going. it appears from what we're seeing at this 7:00 hour here in new york city in manhattan, in midtown, at trump tower, a four-alarm fire that is now out. one seriously injured. it was a three-alarm before. flames on the upper floors as you see here, and it looks like -- if we had to count down, unright there in the 50s in terms of what we are seeing where the fire was before it was put out. it looks therefore to be a residential unit. we're not sure exactly which


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