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that does it for us. the news continues right now with yasmin vossoughian. >> a new syrian attack. with all options on the table, how will washington respond?
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stand by your man or in this case men. president trump on the defense after reports that john kelly threatened to quit and even calling scott pruitt's spending habits reasonable. and mark zuckerberg is preparing for a grill session with congress. will congress hit the like or dislike button on his testimony in. a lot to cover here, everybody. here we go. >> president assad needs to be held accountable for his war crimes. >> i think the president will have to reconsider his plan for an early withdrawing in like of what's happened. >> it's a defining moment in his presidency. >> looking at possible -- there will be another missile attack? >> i wouldn't take anything off the table. >> i think he will hold not just syria, but make it clear he believes russia is also responsible. >> if he doesn't follow through and live up to the tweet, he
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will look weak in the eyes of russia and iran, so this is a defining moment, mr. president, you need to follow through, show resolve that obama never did to get this right. >> horrific news and images out of syria. international news agencies reporting a suspected chemical attack has killed at least 70 people in duma. some people being hosed down to mitigate the effects. president trump tweeting his outrage this morning saying, quote, many dead. president putin, russia and iran are responsible for backing animal assad. just over a year ago, a poison attack prompted trump to order missiles strikes against a syrian military base. the state department is calling
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for an meet responsible. to that i said, the u.n. security council will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow here in new york. also administration officials tells nbc news that the national security council will meet tonight. joining muss is form he supreme alied commanders. and admiral thanks for joining me on a sunday afternoon. we heard from lindsey graham saying this is a defining moment for the president. admiral, do you agree? >> i do. and it's critical the president not respond in a spasm, a need-jerk tweet-like moment. we need to understand what has happened, but it seems very clear that it's an attack using chemical weapons. we need to consult with our allies. france is already talking about
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taking dramatic action, and we need to get the united nations security council engaged in this, but yasmin, this is a defining moment. i hope the president stops, considering what he's going to do, talks to his team and then acts. >> what do you believe the price should be, admirable, from what you have seen so far? >> let's go on the assumption that our intelligence verifies this was conducted by the assad regime. in that case, the beginning step all to be increasing sanctions on russia and iran who are supporting assad. we ought to look carefully at strikes against the syrian air force, as well as facilities.
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we ought to be tuning up our special forces to gather intelligence and direct those strikes. we ought to be talking to allies and partners about really taking this on in a serious way. that might include yasmin, diplomacy, potentially even working with russia to finally shut this thing down. unfortunately i think the best set of options broadband the hard-powered basket. >> are we in a different position where it seems that russia is really the only road to syria. >> indeed. >> as well as the fact that the shia militias supporting the assad regime are supported entirely by tehran, by the ran yawn, so very much the russian are in the driver's seats, and
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this ought to -- it is not the time to pull out of is iria. we need a place if we're going to be at the table and try to drive this as best we can toward some kind of resolution, yasmin, that may look lie the balkans did 20 years ago, maybe a partition, but like milosevic from the balkans, assad has to be remanded to just. >> admiral senator mccain tweeting out a short time ago, the pledge to withdraw from syria has only emboldened assays, backed by russia and iran, to commit month war chemoin douma. he should make assad pay the price. >> as usual, senator mccain is spot on.
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i guaranteed you that the team, the central command in charge of this region, they are caucusing, putting together an option -- again, initially they're going to be in the hard power space, but over time, if we show resolve, if we show engagement, exactly as senator mccain tells us, we have a chance of moving this. >> admiral sadviritis, thank you. i want to bring in our panel. welcome to you all.
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jeff, i want to start with you on this one. the president has tweeting about syria all throughout the morning. >> he leveled his most direction criticism yet, that they share responsibility for syria, and he also blamed the policies of president obama, as he sees it. here's the tweet that the president sent out early. if president obama had crossed his stated red line, the syrian disaster would have ended long ago. but here you have president trump criticizing president obama for his per severed sort of hands-on you approach, even though president trump you'll remember initially africaed for a similar strategy. president trump called for the quick withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria. that plan was unanimously -- almost unanimously opposed by
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officials. the president ultimately relented. that's one of the reasons why now you have lawmakers like lindsey graham, john mccain saying the president needs to show resolve. both of them say the single strike approach that we saw the president take last year shows that it's not that effective, yasmin. >> ambassador, i have another tweet a from back in 2013. the said -- again to our very foolish leader, do not attack syria. if you do, many very bad things will happen. from that fight the u.s. gets nothing. what did the u.s. get out of the retaliatory attacked against syria. >> i think it is available to take it back to 2013. or congress, when he three it back in their lap, they said no thank you, we really don't want to get vote, and they worked
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trying to move chemical weapons out of the syria, with some success. >> and i think the point about not doing one strike against the syrians is well taken. we kind of what we talked about as a pin-rick he bombing, you're not effective whatsoever in dealing with the problem. i think the united states has defined this issue in syria, as a function of a fight with isis, and that for that reason the president has been talking about getting our troops out, but there's there's a civil war with much more regional implications. i think we need to get serious with the dip sis. >> and frank, jeff brought this up, the president just last wight surprising everyone by
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saying he was getting out of the syria. he's now walked that back. what do you make of these mixed signals, and how do you think these affecting what is happening on the ground in syria? >> look. the president got it right today, his strong statements are right on point, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. we can't have a policy based on shifting sands. a new director hasn't taken her office yesterday. john 3w089en hasn't arrived yet. we have a secretary of state mike pompeo that hasn't taken office yesterday. appeared last weeks's announcement, you know, we have special operations on the ground, s.e.a.l.s, delta force, that sends a message to putin,
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to assaults, to tehran that we are disengaging and not caring what happens. it lives -- and it's horrific, and the president has called it out. we have. >> ambassador hill brings up the point that when he throw it back saying we don't want to get involved, do you think congress now would support retaliatory efforts toward syria, if in fact it's proven that the assad regiemont and russia for that schedule -- >> i'm not in a position to say what congress -- and how -- how can it work. we've already seen a strike that was done a year ago, that apparently did nothing. we've the exact same style of attack, it appears to have done nothing to dissuade assad. it bears noting, as others have
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mentioned that assad is nothing without his allies. i do wonder if perhaps the way forward is to pressure those two partners more, because even in the very -- even in the very suburb where this has occurred, russian forces have been involved. >> pressure those two partners in which way? >> sanctions on russiaened, and iran is very much involved in backing militias in iraq, and iraq is a very important partners to the u.s. >> do sanctions work, ambassador, do you think? >> we know that sanctions are a good signal, a strong signal. they can work in certain circumstances, but i they they have to work as part of an overall strategy. i don't see a trump administration that's been engaged on this issue of syria and this war of syrian succession, so i would like to see a much more driven diplomatic strategy to talk to
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the iranians, talk to the russians, yet have some sanctions in the quiver, but also consider the fact that we are dealing with very serious countries with the possibility that this war could even widen in the region. so i think we need to get serious about this. i think the isis war has gone very well, but this war is dangerous as well. >> ambassador, do you think a strike would be a good move? >> you know, i agree with those who say one strike doesn't really work, but on the other hand i think to do nothing in terms of strikes, i think would send another signal. so it's probably in my view, a bad idea that we need to do. >> ambassador christopher hill, and nbc's jeff bennett, thanks very much. frank is stinging around for us. will scott pruitt be fired? if the president's tweet is an indicator, he has no need to work. how he's defending the ep aft
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the president calling the report a hit job made up of garbage and untrue, and he
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defended scott pruitt. was justified, because pruitt has received death threats because of his bold actions at the epa, the president presidents defended and hi condo deal, say pruitt is doing a great job. crist tina greer, and evan siegfried, and julie raginski. evan, i want as to start with you. claiming there's a strained relationship between the president trump and chief of staff, conceivably his days could be numbered. do you buy it? >> yeah, i don't think that the president and john kelly have been all that close. john kellie calm in august of last year or late july.
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which did encourage -- but the president has chafe ed under th. at the end of the day the president decide -- he can ignore the chief of staff, and the president says he's announcing troops without planning. he's announcing tariffs, or waited to announce them, and talked to people at goldman sachs, less of a panic on the market. and when we have scott pruitt being defended, i'm remaineded of about 12 months ago, who basically went rent-free on a yacht or houseboat in d.c. owned by a defense subcontractor before his subcommittee. duke cunningham got an eight-year four-month prison.
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scott pruitt, he gets to keep his job and gets defended by the president. >> something is wrong in the state of denmark. >> this is a president never had a board of directors, he got the companiy daddy, so he does rule by chaos. we do know he also rules like it's an episode of "survivor" or "the bachelor." just because he tweets it, we've seen in the past 17 months, someone could be fired. the problem is there's continuity, no real strategy of how anything is operating, because the president wakes up one day and says -- and here we are. >> "survivor" and "the bachelor" are not chaotic. they actually have a structure. >> they have a plot. >> but he did come here. he played a reality host on tv.
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he told people they were fired on tv. based on that projections, his supporters believes he's in fact a successful ceo there's nothing in the trump organization's history that proves that point. when you have somebody who based his whole persona on somebody underlying false, you have a chaotic situation, who doesn't want to listen to a military man and impose any discipline. >> if you're general kelly, why not just walk away? you have a reputation to uphold, clearly. >> anyone who would deal with the administration, that says something about you. the problem with dealing with trump is he brings you down to his level. there's no way you can try to elevate him. i think far too many have joined the administration thinking they can be an adult in the room. he refuses so he's basically
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like tar. anyone who is tipped by him, gets pulled down. so many care and love about this nation and they're finding out this president cares about himself, that's it. >> i have to disagree slightly. we've seen jim mattis go in, because he was worried that the president would break the world. he's been outstanding. >> but they're both military men. >> trump likes military men. >> but jim mattis is much more effective. in terms of why doesn't john kelly depart now? it would most likely be somebody much worse. there's talk. >> but look what's happening to general matt is now, he's talking about what's happening to matt is. he's being circled by somebody, so as a result matt is -- john bolton starts tomorrow. >> a former colleague of mine, scarce me, because i know what
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he stands for. when you have donald trump surrounding himself with people who want to espouse his world view. larry kudlow who was against tariffs, until he's suddenly for them now. anything that john kelly brought to the take has long been gone, because this president does not believe in john kelly or anything he could have stood for, on he enenables the president or just pushed for the side. >> we don't have much time left. but scott pruitt, do you feel like his days are numbers here? here's the dirty secret. the president believes he's one of the most effective people in his administration. it seems ago if that's one of the reasons he hasn't kim hick to the curb. under that measure, he thinking that pruitt is effective. do you think his daytimes are
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numbers? >> i think he is hears from the media, you have to from liberal media, you have to get rid of scott pruitt, and from conservative media, you have to buckle down, this is just a plot to take down the administration, and i think he's going to buckle down pretty hard. i think the president also forgets that you said put any person in there that will not abuse the power of the office and still get the same results. a november-dram administrator who is a republican without the drama. i think we'll still see more drip drip drip of what's out there with scott pruitt. this is probably the tip of the iceberg. >> old enough to remember when he wanted to drain the swamp. remember that? >> there's a new attack on the department of justice. and what it could mean for bob mueller's investigation, coming up next.
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a trump administration officials telling nbc that the
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u.s. has confirmed that kim is willing to discuss the denuclearization of the korean peninsula, no date or location for the meeting has been set, but the white house has said it's expected to take place by the end of may. we'll bring you more information as we get it. president trump is once again criticizing the department of justice, as the doj missed a deadline to turn over documents regarding the handling of the hillary clinton e-mail and several other shift. some are saying the delay might reason enough to remove rod rosenste rosenstein. watch this supported, then we'll
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find someone who can. >> all right. joining the panel now danny set value is. let's get into this. is it feasible to hold them in contempt the congress? >> it's feasible. it's a terrible political idea to hold them in contempt. i think that threat, while a congressional possibility, it would be ultimately a political disaster. >> we have two tweets from the president on this. first it's lawmakers are angrily accusing the department of justice of missing the
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thursday's deadline for turning over unredacted documents. slow walks, what's going on? bad. here is the other tweet -- what does the department of just and fbi have to hide? why aren't they giving the strongly requested documents to the committee? stalling. >> what's going on here is congressional revenge. this is all about trying to undermine an attack that people responsible for the inquiry and specifically, it's thousands and thousands that they wanted by last thursday.
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that needs to happen first, how the fbi conducts fisa. they're obsessed with the former director, because he worked for jim comey. that's what's going on here. the fbi will turn over these documents, but in the meantime everyone needs to be concerned about protecting rosenstein and protecting the special counsel.
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i want to be sure they're being responsive. up until today we have dedicated staff to review the documents. to cover two shifts per day from 8:00 a.m. for midnight to -- there's a lot of paperwork, and we don't have enough personnel to review it and forget it, and we're going to get it to you as soon as we can. talk to me about the optics of all of this. and if they were to make a decision on go after rosen stein. >> what this particular administration does not do is take price in his work and be thorough so this also doesn't
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understand, the second thing is we know he as personal vendettas. he still thing. >> will let it go, and you have big irfish to fry, but he can't. as far as using twit tore try to trump up his own base, again him, the problem is he's actually genuinely concerned as to what all of these things put together will shows. so that's why it's sometimes late at night. he does field like if he could make them go away.
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the storage locker that manafort had was actually unwanted. the argument is that this employee who agreed to let the fbi in did not have the permission to do so. give me your take on this. >> that's a classic principle of suppression law. an emotion is that you violated rights, constitutional rights in getting there, and therefore
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under the exclusionary rule and the fruit of the poisonous tree, you cannot get the benefit of that evidence and yew it in course against me. this is one of the classics that all law students learn, is the rule about who can consent to a search of the premises, right? if someone's 3-year-old child comes to the door and it's fbi agents, can the child say come on in and search mommy and daddy's home? probably not -- >> what about an employ aye of a storage locker unit? >> that would be what we would call a fact intensive inquiry. as a categorical rule, it would by difficult to fashion a broad rule for anyone who is an employee that where they have documents -- a doorman in an apavement building may give permission to hang in the lobby, but they don't always have permission to let you in the apartment. while they may have and the power, not everybody has legal
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authority to consent to a search. thank you. christina is sticking around for us. tonight, everybody. msnbc's "headliners." takes an in-depth look at what has shaped and drives the man at the center of the organization. waft this evening at 9:00 eastern the we'll be right back. a hilton getaway means you get more because you get a break on breakfast get an extra day by the pool get to spend more time together
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because when it comes to your finances, if you focus on today, tomorrow has a way of working itself out. . marble zuckerberg will finally come face to case with congress this week amid revelations that data firm harvested personal information from millions of facebook users. this week the estimate of affected users was up to 87 million.
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chuck todd was told it could be even more. >> do you believe the number 87 is the high end, our do you think that's still possible the number is much higher? >> i think it could be higher, absolutely. >> joining mice panel, tony rahm, welcome. i'm going to start with you on this one. what do you expect to hear? >> it would be hard questions promark zuckerberg has never before testified. his peers at google and other companies have, but he hasn't. congress members want to know how cambridge analyticala managed to get heed of personal information. at the same time that's not even the only problem that facebook
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faces right now. zuckerberg just last week on a call with report told us they had found indications that nearly all of facebook's users may have had information from that public scraped by maliciou actors. people who are gone on the dark web and taken phone numbers and e-mail addresses and consistently paned facebook's search feature to take information about your public profile including your photos. lawmakers want to know how it happened and they want to know what should be done to hepreven it from happening again. >> facebook has made inroads in anticipation of zuckerberg's appearance in washington, d.c. where washington will want to hear some of those things as well. some of those things, tony, must be a verified user to issue or run political ads, there must be a verified user to manage large pages and hiring thousands to support new verification demands. do you think this will be enough? >> should be clear. the steps you announced deal
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with a different problem that facebook has to grapple with, and that's russian trolls and others who seek to spread misinformation on the site. facebook announced a number of those ad transparency requirements. not just this past week but in previous months as well because it was facing criticism from capitol hill on the 2016 election. the privacy issues that we're talking about are another layer on top of that. you can expect lawmakers to bring up both. >> do you think this is really a goodwill measure ahead of the hearing? >> they have to do it. they are facing regulation. if facebook doesn't do it, then lawmakers are threatening to do it through legislation on their own. the fed elections commission is putting forward a rule-making process that deals with some of this. again, the big issue with privacy is something that's dogged facebook for a long time now. lawmakers have talked about putting in place new limits on what companies can collect about you and what they can do with it, but that's never really made it across the finish line here in washington. zuckerberg's testimony might give a new feel to those efforts. >> we know that nbc's savannah guthrie actually did an interview with sheryl sandberg
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and she asked her do you need to question the leadership at facebook? does a change need to come from the top down? let's take a listen to that, and then we'll talk. >> is this the right leadership, you, mark? have you asked yourselves those hard questions? >> i think those are hard questions, and they are the right questions. i can speak for myself first. i serve at the pleasure of mark and our board, and i will be here as long as they think i'm the right person to run this and to lead our response and to make sure that we can rebuild trust with people all over the world, but at the end of the day, the people we hold responsible are me and mark. mark knows that. i know that, and we own that responsibility. >> go ahead, julie. give me your reaction to that. >> like a pr person telling her what to say. this is very typical of what facebook does. they apologize every time this comes up. try to get ahead of the problem and nothing ever changes because facebook after all is a company that wants to make profit. we are the product.
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we're now the consume, and that's something that has become very apparent to all of us on facebook who thought we were in charge of our own data and our own information. in fact, our data has been harvested to make money for others, and some malicious cases to hopefully, not hopefully, but realistically do many worse things and make money for the russians and others who have used our data to infiltrate our elections, to help infiltrate our elections. the sooner we all realize that mark zuckerberg and sheryl sandberg are not here to make us feel better, they are other to make money for themselves and we're in fact being used as the product by which they make a profit, we can all make decisions as to whether we want to continue on facebook or we want to stop being the product that makes money for people like mark zuckerberg. >> it's time for them to clean house. ps, i'm not a big fan of the leanin. >> do you think this will happen in. >> here's the thing. mark zuckerberg keeps pulling the don jr. defense like i'm a young guy in a sweatshirt and i
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was in high marched dorm room and making facebook so people can share pictures. that's not what this is. that is multi-billion dollar corporation that spreads across -- >> i don't think anybody really buys it anymore. >> the thing is though he keeps getting in trouble and he's never gone to congress. like literally. this is not the first time facebook has come under scrutiny. even before the 2016 possible meddling in the elections and he keeps playing the defense this is just a website i started to like link people up. why has he never testified in front of congress before? should have been held accountable years ago for many of the things that were happening here. 2 billion people who are facebook users. the fact that he's never been in front of congress is -- >> 2 billion people are too dumb to know what's going on. many people know that their digital privacy is being violated and yet they still use facebook. i think there are two problems we have to deal with. one, a lot of the digital privacy laws have yet to be written by congress, and this goes to bigger than facebook, bigger than social media. >> because there's a major
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unknown with regard to this. >> federal judge recently who said this could be a good point in american history because if we can get congress to act and enact digital privacy, what are we giving up? two, people see these long disclaimers saying i agree to these terms of service and you don't read them. you check yes. we really need a conversation about what's going on. what are we putting out there, and when we're on instagram posting pictures of our food and dog, et cetera, we're going out and telling billions of people. >> it's on twitter and a public profile, that's fine. i fully realize that. >> information you're going away to other organize. >> on facebook you and i are friends and you can see all my kids' pictures. >> and i'll keep sending you postses. >> you notice, but i keep assume somebody sitting in moscow who i never know and never met is looking through my pictures. only people who i'm allowed to friend and friended me can see my information. come to find out that's not true. that's a massive problem and for some of us that's something to
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all right. that toss it for us. i'm yasmin vossoughian. the news condition vp continue now with ayman mohyeldin. a lot to break down this hour. president trump faced with a new vicies crisis crisis in syria and dals for action against animal assad. president trump launched missiles once before. will he pull the trigger once again? and the president once again taking on the fbi. what's behind his latest attack on the agency, and epa administrator scott pruitt continues to hang on despite a slew of bad headlines. some notable republicans are turning on him though, but he's still got the most important ally in washington on his side. we'll have a lot more on that straight ahead, but we want to begin with syria and the challenge facing president trump right now. dozens of people, including chil


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