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referendum on that party, trump's party. >> well, i'll tell you, nicole's son liam is right, i'm worried. there's no easy way to put it. very worried. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle, glad to be back this morning with much to cover. starting with where's our thank you. the president tweets, again, asking for praise after putting russia and syria on notice and staying coy about the time line of an attack. >> we stand ready to provide military options if they're appropriate as the president determined. >> this, as mike pompeo's confirmation hearing for secretary of state gets under way on capitol hill. and it's back. nbc news has learned the fbi agents who raided cohen's office were also seeking records related to the infamous "access hollywood" tape. >> the president certainly has
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been clear he has a very deep concern about the direction of the special counsel and other investigations have taken. >> this morning, inside steve bannon's plan to derail the russia investigation and protect president donald trump. and scott pruitt still under fire. new calls for the embattled epa chief to resign. and new reports of spending requests, leather bound notebooks, fountain pens, all with his name on them. >> the list of abuses just keeps getting longer. i believe it's time for his imperial tenure to end. >> we begin today with the president tweeting his syria strategy before dawn this morning. 24 hours ago, he said the missiles were, quote, coming today. he says he might not launch an attack at all. while calling for the receist o the world to say thank you for all his administration has done. secretary of state nominee mike pompeo, are you listening?
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i have a great team here. starting with nbc's kristen welker at the white house. and hans nichols at the pentagon. kristen, to you first, what should we make about what the president is saying? >> well, stef, it seems like a little bit of a backtrack after president trump was very forceful on twitter yesterday about the fact that he plans to essentially fire strikes against syria today. really choosing his words carefully. take a listen to this tweet, stef. he says never said when an attack on syria would take place. could be very soon or not so soon at all. in any event, the united states under my administration has done a great job of ridding the region of isis. where is our "thank you, america"? now, take a look at what he said yesterday. russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at syria. get ready, russia, because they will be coming, nice, new and smart. you shouldn't be partners with a gas killing animal who kills his people and enjoys it.
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so very harsh words for russia. what was significant about that tweet yesterday, in addition to the words about russia, the fact that the president seemed to be signaling his military strategy. remember, as a candidate, even here at the white house, president trump has been very clear, he never wants to preview what he's going to do militarily. sarah sanders got a range of questions about this yesterday, stef. she pushed back, disputed that characterization and said, look, the president isn't signaling what he's going to do. he is merely making it very clear to russia there will be some kind of action taken. today trying to temper his words a little bit. trying to make it clear what his military strategy will be. remember, monday, he said he's going to come to a decision about any action within 48 hours. that deadline has passed. by all accounts, still no decision here at the white house. >> hans, russia on wednesday said this, we do not participate
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in twitter diplomacy. we support serious approaches. we continue to believe that it is important not to take steps that could harm an already fragile situation. those are two very grown-up words on russia's part. but tell us, while there haven't been any air strikes, has the situation on the ground in syria changes at all? >> according to open source satellite images, the russians and syrians have been moving assets away from their hardened bunker. so the president's tweets could have potentially diminished targets available. here at centcom, they pride themselves on finding options for the president. that's what they do. they're constantly targeting. they're constantly planning. they have a team of lawyers going through everything. we know a lot of the russian and iranian assets are in syria. especially on the russian side. in part because the u.s. speaks to russia almost on a daily basis. now, most of that is in the eastern part of the country.
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but that deconfliction remains open. u.s. officials calling their russian counterparts. so communication, at least at the tactical level, is alive and well. at the strategic level, you have tweets from the president and response from pestcof coming out. so that's the level. >> certainly this is going to give senators plenty to talk about. mike mpompeo is going to appear for his confirmation in an hour from now. he's got a reputation as a hard-liner, even a war hawk, but he says it's a title he no longer deserves. today, he is going to do his best to change the narrative. looking at his prepared remarks that nbc obtained, he repeatedly talks about diplomacy in relation to russia, china and north korea. he adds, quote, war is always the last resort. i would prefer achieving the president's foreign policy goals with unrelenting diplomacy
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rather than send young men and women to war. here's a question. how does he make that case when the president is tweeting about possible missile strikes on syria and he's talking about diplomacy? remember, we got diplomats leaving right and left. i'm joined by nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. andrea, we see he wants to focus on diplomacy. can that help mike pompeo sort of shake the hawk label he's got? >> absolutely. but he has a lot of challenges here. first of all, there is a great spirit at the state department of anticipation. he's done all the right things, sending all the right signals. he says he wants to help the state department get its swagger back. in other words, it's going to be listened to. everyone at the state department knows he has access to donald trump and the state department has been completely ignored because of the terrible relationship tillerson had with trump.
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tillerson for some inexplicable reason never filled vacancies. there's blames on both sides from state and the white house. there aren't diplomats in key posts from the assistant secretary, the regional levels, to the undersecretaries, to key ambassadors, south korea and other places. so he's going to fill those vacancies. it's not as easily, you know, done as said because they have to get people nominated, they have to get people vetted, confirmed, hearings. there are, you know, very short time frames before all of this can be done. before congress gets into the election cycle. >> it is going to pull up morale there which has been very low under rex tillerson. i remember you asked pompeo specifically about syria last july. yes, he was in a different position then. i want to share what he said. >> the previous president should have acted in syria. and the previous president instead chose to invite the russians in. it was a major turning point in the capacity of america to
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influence events in syria. so today we find ourselves in a position where we're working to develop partners and those who are willing to work along side us to get an outcome that's in the best interest of america. >> it seems like a reasonable answer. does it help us understand how he's going to pursue a strategy now? >> well, it's very different landscape now. what has happened is the military strike last april 6th of 2017 did not work to deter assad and his partners. obviously the russians protecting him, the iranians. so it's a much more complicated situation. turkey going after our allies on the ground, the syrian kurds. he's got a really tough situation to answer on syria. obviously he doesn't want to signal what the president is going to do. so he could say, well, those decisionings have not yet been made. the president himself has been on twitter. how does he conduct policy when the president speaks out on
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twitter in contrast to what he said as a candidate? all of the criticisms of obama back during the campaign. he's got tough issues on syria, with iran. just about a month from tomorrow, from today actually, the big decision as to whether to blow up the iran nuclear deal and also what to do about russia. hear the president one day saying "congratulations for your re-election" in contrast to what he had been told in capital letters, do not congratulate vladimir putin. and inviting putin to the white house for a meeting. and of course the north korean summit. there are so many issues. pompeo is a very schooled political figure. he doesn't come out of exxon mobil. he's got government experience. west point graduate. a good biography here. the question is how does he handle very, very difficult issues? >> indeed, they're difficult. he does know how to speak trump. i want to bring my panel in. brett stevens, an op-ed
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columnist with "the new york times." and ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. and michael allen, a former white house national security team member in the bush white house. he consultled wied with pompeo preprapr preparation for today's hearings. the president first tweeting on russia and syria, then the next saying he might not do it. how difficult is it for pompeo to walk the line and talk about a strategy or game plan today, knowing what the president's up to? >> well, director pompeo has a terrific rapport with the president. i think, unlike with tillerson, he knows where the president's head is on issues. it's hard for us to discern where the president is based on some of these tweets when he says something bold and then seems to walk it back. but director pompeo i think will be a shot in the arm for the state department, which has sort
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of been depressed over the last 15 months. he's talking today about bold diplomacy vis-a-vis ariran and north korea. here on the syria strike, which is apparently imminent, i think we need to build some leverage in order to build diplomacy because right now we don't have much. >> it's noteworthy, i know you mentioned you helped mike pompeo prepare for today's hearing but it's also been reported that he reached out to every living former secretary of state, including hillary clinton. that's a very big deal. i can remember mike bloomberg saying to me a huge mistake we see leaders make across industry and government. no one ever calls the guy or woman who had the job before to ask for advice. pompeo is doing the exact opposite. how big of a deal is it? >> you're so right. look, this is the job that thomas jefferson once held. it's time for mike pompeo. by the way, i think he's up to the challenge. to rise to the occasion and to be seen actively consulting with
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democrats and republicans to try and bring about a sort of bipartisan resolution in what will be tough iran negotiations and tough north korea negotiations. so i think it speaks more to who he is as a member of congress, where behind the cameras, you've really got to work with your colleagues on occasion. even though we've seen so many flare-ups coming out of the congress. i think he knows inherently he's got to build these relationships and sustain them. >> here's my fear, we've been at this dance before. the adults in the room. the generals around the president. he's going to listen. mike pompeo in his prepared remarks, he criticizes journalists who have labeled him as a war hard-liner. and he says there are a few who dread war more than those who served in uniform. can this guy be a moderating force for the president? don't you think we've all been saying that for last year and a half? >> i think he's a very good pick to be secretary of state. i think the basic problem you
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have in the administration is the character of the president. serious people surround the president. with the exception of jim mattis, all of them have been unable to master his temper, his indifference, his ignorance. all of the problems that we're so familiar with. which from one day to the next or one tweet to the next characterized foreign policy under the trump administration. now, i would say that having a guy like pompeo, having a guy with his kind of credibility first in his class from west point, that's something that trump seems to respect. in the same way he seems obviously awed by jim maltettis. the experience a year and a half into the trump administration is every serious guy in the room, whether it's paul ryan or tillerson or whoever, can't get around the fact that this is a president who is in constant and unserious as this guy is. and so ultimately they either
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become toadies or they leave. it's either the pension option or the tillerson option. >> i have to ask you this. i'm sure you had to have had these private conversations with mike pompeo. it's as though it's like serious guy after serious guy thinks like they're going to be the girl to change the jerk and that girl realizes, known, ynope, yo change a guy who's a jerk. why does mike pompeo -- he's putting himself in a very difficult situation, given russia, syria, north korea, and we've seen time and again trump listens to no one? >> here's where pompeo's backgrounded uniquely. were he not up for secretary of state today. he's a politician. he came from the house of representatives. i know a lot of members of the house, especially when i served up there, i think they saw that trump was gaining in let's call them blue states before the rest of us did frankly on election night. and so i think he has a special
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unique rapport because he understands trump's appeal to certain people out in the country. i think that gives him some ballast, some credibility, some ability to communicate with his commander in chief as we go through at least three serious issues just in the next -- let's call it three months. although they'll go on longer than that of course. >> very serious issues. ben, i mentioned that mike pompeo reached out to all living secretaries of state. hillary clinton was one of them. she urged him to get diplomats back in their seats. is that something you think mike pompeo can carry out? is he going to go the more traditional route? or can he not do that in the house of trump? >> i think he can make the effort. it's obviously a good sign he reached out to hillary clinton and other previous secretary of states and he is making those calls to diplomats who have left to say, you know, come back, the house is going to be in order, you can have this swagger back.
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he's making those efforts. i don't think -- >> -- respect. >> i don't think a lot of these people are going to come back. they're in higher paying jobs. they're not returning. i think internally pompeo can make a difference in the state department. he could do some good there. i think he's absolutely right in terms of managing the president, nobody manages the president. he's his own secretary of state, often for ill, with the different messages on any given day. pompeo's not going to change that in any significant way. he's going to get frustrated with it or become a toady like mike pence. donald trump will tweet the way he does, act the way he does, whatever mike pompeo says. >> i don't know if mike pence is a toady. maybe he's sitting there going, i'm one door knock away from the white house. >> the strategy. >> he did not think that was his life two years ago. coming up, revealing new details about the fbi raid on
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the office of president trump's personal lawyer michael cohen. it appears that the infamous "access hollywood" tape is back and play aing a role. plus, former chief strategist bannon is now back reportedly with a new plan to thwart the russia investigation and. and after years of calling for fiscal responsibility, housn deficits. jimmy fallon has one idea. >> speaker paul ryan is retiring from congress. yes. he says he wants to spend more time with his children and home and less time with the child in the white house. fresh flowers, so let's promote our spring travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. (sneeze) earn one free night when you stay just twice this spring. allergies. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com. i'm mark and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried, um, cold turkey. i tried the patches.
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welcome back. former white house chief strategist, he's back. steve bannon, you remember this guy, pushed out of the white house last summer reportedly has plans or has a plan to derail the russia investigation. "washington post" reporting bannon is pitching his plan to white house aides and congressional allies for trump to, quote, fire deputy attorney general rob roddenstein who of course overseas the work of special counsel mueller. reversing the policy of trump's legal team. also this morning the infamous "access hollywood" tape is back in the headlines. nbc news has learned the agents who raided trump's lawyers
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office hoteled on monday were looking for anything related to that video. "access hollywood" is an nbc universal program. my colleague, robert costa. you know him as the moderator for "washington week" for pbs. rober roberto, what exactly is steve bannon trying to do? clearly he wants attention. he's gone to el heffy, you, what does he want us to know? >> roberto, el jeffy, i love it. he's tried to prod them along to fire rod rosenstein, the deputy general. this is part of the broad plan to disrupt the justice department and the mueller probe. >> when you think about bannon's relationship with the president, you wrote in your piece, if you
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say bannon's name around president trump, it's not a pretty sight. >> that's right. >> nigthat might be the case in normal times. it seems like there's clearly a shortage of good ideas. is he going to listen to him? >> that's the open question. there are people inside the white house who still speak to steve bannon. and they're back channels of sorts. there's skepticism about bannon in the west wing. think back to the "fire and fury" book. bannon was in essence banished from the white house because of the comments in that book. there are people in the conservative media world, people in the white house, people outside of the white house who are telling the president "fire rosenstein." >> you remember, steve bannon wants to blow the whole thing up. brett, what do you think is going to happen here? >> i think he's going to fire
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rosenstein. i think from the president's point of view, because he's desperate to stop the mueller investigation because i think the mueller investigation is getting close to being explosive and presidency-ending for him. it's good advice. it's terrible for the country. it would be a disgrace to the interest of justice and the interest of the truth. but if you're the president and you feel that your enemies are getting closer to you, it's good advice. >> i want to share what sarah huckabee sanders said yesterday. >> the president certainly has been clear that he has a very deep concern about the direction of the special counsel and other investigations have taken. this investigation started off of russia collusion, of which there has been none. it's been very clear. nothing has come up over the past year. >> you never notice the president never mentions money laundering? what message is she sending us? >> i think she's sending us prepare for the firing of rosenstein and total and all-out
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war on the mueller investigation. >> which is clearly what president trump was doing on fox -- or what the fox news was doing in a circus format. >> obviously he's mad about the stuff bannon said in the book, throwing his family members under the bus and he hates that. but i think he is looking for people to tell him to get rid of the deputy attorney general and to fight the mueller probe because he is very nervous about where it's going, into his personal financial affairs, into the access hollywood tape. all these other avenues. he's looking for a reason to make a move on the justice department. and i agree with brett, it would be disastrous for the country. i think it will be disastrous for him politically, too. he may be able to protect himself to a degree. if you want to turn republicans finally against him on capitol hill, some of them, that could happen with this firing. >> maybe not -- let's share what orrin hatch tweeted. he tweeted anyone advising the president in public or over the air waves to fire bob mueller does not have the president or the nation's best interest at heart, full stop. you think that's just --
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>> orrin hatch is a voice from a different generation. and like so many other republicans, giving this advice, he has one foot out the door. look, the simple truth is that the president has succeeded in persuading his conservative base that the mueller investigation is a witch-hunt, it's an effort to destroy him politically, that there was absolutely no collusion, you heard sarah huckabee sanders making this point. >> and sarah gets all of her talking points directly from the president. >> exactly. that it's a deep state conspiracy. now, that view is wrong and it is dangerous but it is persuasive to most republicans. the way the president plays politics is not what he ought to have done. reach out to democrats or independents on the other side. it's to consolidate his base and to make them believe they're persecuted. >> listen, you got paul ryan leaving town. you do make a good point. robert, i want to ask you about the fbi agents.
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so fbi agents go to michael cohen's apartment, the hotel room, the office the other day. we should make it clear, colin had noted that they were rerespectful, there was not an issue. while the president said the fbi broke in and raided the apartment, which we know is not the case. but why is "access hollywood" the "access hollywood" tape significant? we have to remember, the "access hollywood" tape happened on november 22nd. the same exact day, hours apart from when there was the john podesta, wikileaks e-mail dump. if the fbi, if robert mueller, if they're looking for collusion with russia, doesn't that take us back to this october 7th? strange both those things would happen on that very same day. >> the mueller probe is always hard to read. when you look at how criminal investigations work, if they see possible crimes, even if it's campaign finance violations or a
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campaign finance crimes that are perhaps -- that come across the scope of the investigation, they have to pursue that. they're looking at payments that michael cohen or allies of the president may have made during the course of the campaign, where the money came from, how it was reported. and just how this all played out throughout the course of the trump campaign. >> what do you think about this, brett? >> look, i think that -- you have a situation which the president i think is facing certain impeachment if the democrats take the house. as it now looks increasingly likely that they will. so the president is going to have to play a much harder game than he's been playing so far. all the interest is ultimately to shut down the mueller probe to try to keep the senate and try and make americans forget this happened in two years time. >> clearly, they're not looking
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at the access hollywood tape because it's offensive to women. they're looking for collusion. if robert mueller finds something here, even if democrats don't win in midterms, can republicans stand by the president if mueller has damning findingings? >> this is where i sort of disagree with brett a little bit on the politics of this. because the republicans are afraid of losing the house of representatives. they're on a path to doing that now. they're going to lose it because they're going to lose suburban districts. they're going to lose women. if there is all this damning information that comes out, i'm not saying we're quite at that point yet, but if there is and republicans rally to this smaller trump base and protect the president at all costs, they're basically guaranteeing they're going to lose the house. we're not at that point. there could become a point where the allegations are so damning. trump's moves to undermine the justice department are so completely out of step with american tradition and history that republicans have got to swallow going against trump and protect the mueller
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investigation and protect the justice department and our justice department. >> except more often than not -- >> the problem is the ships are all leaving the sinking rat. so i don't see that happen. >> "ships are leaving the sinking rat." okay, we have to go to the opening bell. before we do, bob, i have to ask you this, i'm saying this mean-spirited, how hard is it for you to plan your show? you got a friday night show in this news cycle. at this point, do you even have a show meeting? do you plan for it or do you wait until tomorrow around 4:00? >> stephanie, i'm just like you probably at 8:50 a.m. in the morning, you don't know what's going to happen in the next five minutes and you do what you can. >> i consider my show a daily surprise party for me. i know i'll watch you tomorrow evening, bob. >> thank you. >> also reporting this week, thank you so much. opening bell on wall street. market poised to rebound today after trump's tweet this morning. which one? the one that says the strike on syria may not be imminent after all. right now, we're seeing the dow
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up just under 160. but, you know, we're only 43 seconds into the trading day. lesley, trump moving markets again. what do we expect? >> that's right. the three major indexes opening higher. recouping some losses we saw from yesterday. investors are taking a breath after president trump tweeted a less ahawkish stand on syria. saying an attack could be soon or not soon at all. yesterday, his tone was more aggressive, saying russia should get ready for a potential strike on syria. now oil and precious metals ticking down on these comments. u.s. bench mark oil prices hit their highest level yesterday in 3 1/2 years. geopolitics has taken some of the focus off the potential for a trade war. investors are also digesting the fed minutes which indicated a more interest rate hikes lay ahead. >> all right, lesley, thank you. ben, what's your take here? a year ago, the markets were somewhat ignoring trump. not anymore. >> no, not with trade wars and
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potential strikes on syria and this completely uncertain era we're in. we love tax cuts, we love deregulation. that would really matter, if we get into trade wars with china. that matters if we're in a destabilizing shooting war with syria. not that we weren't already. but if we're lobbing new missiles in there and have new problems with russia and iran and the rest of it, that matters for stocks. it matters for oil prices. i always thought the love affair of the markets with president trump was going to end. i wrote this. people were under estimating the risks. those risks are coming home to roost now. that leaves us in a period of incredible volatility. sells off and gains based on trumpian tweets. now we're in that era. this is a trump market of complete trumult and uncertaint. >> i appreciated you calling it tax cuts because it wasn't tax reform. coming up, custom coins, luxurious leather bound notebooks.
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this time, it's his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. and he thought this story was going away. not. epa administrator scott pruitt faces a new backlash this morning over his reported ideas for the redesign of agency, wait
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for it, memorabilia. according to "the new york times," pruitt wanted leather bound notebooks, fountain pens and even commemorative coins to feature symbols that represent him. him, scott pruitt. and the agency more or less, his proposals included featuring his name more prominently on the items and adding symbols of personal relevance like a buffalo for his home state of oklahoma. pruitt is also proposed to be removing the agency's seal from memorabilia, claiming it looked too much like a marijuana leaf, said it looked like weed. ben stevens back with me. his request was shot down by officials who said it's not only too expensive but it's a breach in protocol. as these things pile up, when did republicans start to take notice? because i talked to people inside the epa, brett, and they said there's three camps. inside the epa, there's sort of the epa lives who are holding on
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saying let's just wait until this term is over. then there are real republicans in there working on policy. then there's the oklahoma mafia that got big raises. people who may not even be qualified for the job. it's not scott who's leading policy. it's scott who's the figurehead. tell me, when did you hear scott pruitt doing the media rounds, talking about what they're doing in that office, selling their mission? i don't remember ever seeing him. >> well, you know, every epa administrator has a martha stewart inside of him just waiting to come out. i see you have a challenge coin. >> this is from the intrepid space museum. >> that's a cool challenge coin. >> i get that. it's unclear to me, why would scott pruitt have one? >> this is my favorite quote, it's worse than a crime, it's a mistake. i mean, we're not even talking about epa policy. what the administrator ought to be doing. it's just such a basic political
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mistake to care about this kind of stuff. it already has gotten so many cabinet secretaries. it got tom price fired. it's gotten ben cars noon troubben carson into trouble. the same with ryan zinke. where's just the political mind, never mind the questions of taste and priorities? >> it's not a mistake. a mistake is "i screwed up," i didn't know better. the thing that pruitt fights for. he's fighting for raises. he's fighting for bigger security detail. he's fighting for travel. all for himself. >> yes, i mean, is it okay if i just bang my head on the desk on your show? am i allowed to just sit here and slam my head on the desk? because how are we talking about this? him putting his name on a challenge coin. a, who cares about a challenge coin? leather bound books. really, leather bound books? we're talking about? does his office smell of mahogany. >> yes. and drinks scotch. >> i can't believe we're talking about this. it's ridiculous. every time i'm here, it's scott pruitt is making up reasons to
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fly for his class. he needs a secret phone booth in his office. now he needs his name and the buffalo on the challenge coin and he needs these books. i mean, i'm amazed he hasn't been fired yet. i don't understand why he hasn't. he's such a constant embarrassment and distraction. obviously there's there are conservatives who like what the epa is doing rolling back environmental rules but somebody else can do that. >> right there, somebody else can do the job. those who make the argument we need scott to do the job? how about a week ago when the president thought scott pruitt could be jeff sessions takeout? what would have happened? >> that's exactly it, people who dislike pruitt for policy reasons aren't going to get any relief if he's fired because someone else with the same deregulatory agenda's going to take his place. this is just a political headache for the president. it's exactly what you said. you want to ask yourself why on earth would we want to be talking about this? >> he got rid of the va secretary shulkin. >> because someone has to look
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worse than he does. or he just doesn't want to look like he's caving into the libs, you know. and it would be embarrassing somehow. but this is, like, constant day after day after day of negative headlines. it is a mystery to me why trump is wedded to this guy. >> we're going to get the best piece. >> it's not just people the white house wants scott pruitt out. how do you think these stories are coming out? people inside the epa are letting these stories out. just talk me through one second, why is it that the president seems so dug in though ? it can't be that he wants someone worse than he is. >> well, his base, particularly out west, where the sort of anti-epa feeling is extremely strong. and i think the second reason is we've gone through a lot of cabinet secretaries and maybe there's just some thought in trump's mind that he can only
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fire so many people in a single month. >> yes, but it's not just the democrats who are criticizing him. we know democrats have. but the epa released a statement and it's saying in part, quote, administrator pruitt is focused on advancing trump's agenda, of regulatory certainty and environmental stewardship. sure, fine, great. at this point, it's not just democrats going after pruitt. we've seen republican congressman trey gowdy. has now send a letter to the epa because it failed to provide all the documents related to this guy's spending on travel, his lease agreement. remember, there's people he's given these raises to. money that was only supposed to be allotted for scientists he's given to his oklahoma posse. now the trey gowdies of the world asking? >> when you've got people like trey gowdy turning on you on the hill. i thought pruitt would be out by now. i'm surprised he's not. it's hard for me to predict when this guy is going to leave. it doesn't feel like there will ever be an end to these stories about how much he abuses this
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office and uses it for his personal agrand dizment. at some point, it's going to get so much that trump just says ooshgs g look, get rid of the guy. >> another republican who is leaving congress. one of the big reasons is this is becoming trump's party and not your former republican party. >> i would just love to see nuts and bolts, though who say it is scott pruitt leaving all this policy. when, where. if these requests are met and we see the phone records and e-mails. i'm anxious to see the big policy debates he was involved in. up next, paul ryan, leaving behind the speaker's gavel and guess what else, trillion dollar deficit. why leave now? here's one reason. ryan is telling politico, quote, my wife is doing 90% of the parenting and i don't want that to happen. i appreciate that paul ryan is saying that. because every industry, government, business, the top top jobs out there, it is assumed that family first or
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even family equal is not an option. it is why you see so many senior women in business either dial it back or step out because they cannot make it to the c suite because it's all work and no family. whether or not paul ryan is telling the truth or not, i don't know, but i appreciate he is putting this sentiment forward. whoooo.
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probably the two biggest achievements for me, our first, the major reform of our tax code for the first time in 36 years. which has already been a huge success for this country. that's something i've been working on my entire adult life. addressing our readiness crisis, that was a top priority we got down last month as well. >> time for money, power, politics. that of course was outgoing speaker paul ryan toting what he sees as his biggest accomplishment in office. the speaker's announcement he will not seek re-election comes 48 hours after the cbo confirmed that by next year the federal deficit will be nearly $1 trillion. and will exceed that $1 trillion by 2028. one of the main causes of the soaring deficit, the achievement that house speaker is so proud
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of, right there in my prompter, it says tax reform. i'm letting the world now it's not tax reform, it was a tax cut. those are two different things. ben, you're back with me. i want to start with a tweet. paul ryan is responsible for adding trillions to the national debt. it is hard to understand what a trillion is. maybe this helps. a million seconds is 12 days. a billion seconds is 30 years. a trillion seconds is 3,000 years. that's what we're faced with, with this deficit. do you think that's why paul ryan's walking out the door? >> i think paul ryan's walking out the door because the republican party has become ungovernable and embarrassing. i think his only mistake was not having done so two years earlier which is going to be a stain on his political reputation forever. >> but if that's why he was leaving, this would be his moment to stand up and say that. this would be his moment to say, i can't stand with trump for x,
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y and z. instead, he's touting tax caughts and he's not around to live through the ill pact of said cuts. >> you make a good point on this being tax cuts, not tax reform. to give ryan a little bit of credit, he wanted it to be tax and had ideas to reduce the deficit and debt impact over ten years. this is the old republican party. >> who cares what he wanted. i want to be 5'8" and smoking hot but i'm 5'4" and sitting with you two. he wanted to get tax reform done, great. >> that is the reality of the republican party. his legacy is the trillion dollar deficits. we are talking 2028, 100% of gdp. you pay higher interest rates. that is the legacy that he will have to live with. >> i think the real legacy of paul ryan when historians look
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back won't be a matter of deficits but moral capicapitula of republicans. that started with him in the fall of 2016 when he nearly disendorsed the president and went crawling back and kept crawling back for more. i think this is at some internal psychological level the culmination of that. i'm glad he wants to spend more time with his family and have more equal parenting with his wife. there is something almost shakespeare yn about the career trajectory of paul ryan. that was his -- >> there is a history of people who stand with trump. you were almost crying about this on twitter the other day. not crying but it was the day of the fbi raid. there was so much media attention on it and not much media attention on the cbo
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score. in the report where do we have it? we don't. i thought we did. i have it. the federal debt will rise from 78% of gdp to 96% by 2028. this isn't democrats. this isn't the mainstream media. do republicans not see this and say i forgot what i stand for? >> some see it and are upset about it. you didn't notice a lot of pushback against the cbo. in the past we have seen so many say in reality ignore the career experts and prognostications. they are not bothering to try that anymore i think they know it is not the case. these numbers are somewhat smaller than they could be. if you extend some individual tax cuts in the bill after five years you get above 100% of gdp.
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that is a disastrous level to be in. i think republicans just don't care at this point. they have given up the idea that they are concerned about it -- >> i want to share what bob corker said. >> if it ends up costing what has been laid out here it could well be one of the worst votes i have made. >> that is a pretty remarkable admission. >> and yet another republican leaving the party. >> look at every sensible republican leaving -- >> bad money drives out good. trump's law is bad politics drives out good. that is what you have here. >> happy thursday to everyone. >> i started the show saying it was a surprise party. party poopers here. we are minutes away from mike pompeo's hearing.
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before we go you know how i love to sign off. we believe that there is always good news somewhere and good news certainly rules. today a life changing in flight conversation between two women. samantha snipes was 8 months
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pregnant and thinking about putting that child up for adoption. when she boarded the flight she learned her seat mate really wanted to be a mom. snipes went into labor one week later and called her up with the opportunity of a lifetime. please watch. >> so samantha from the plane. i said is everything okay. she said i'm still in raleigh. i had the baby. do you want to come see us. she said i wanted to see you with him and i think you should be his mother and i started shaking uncontrollably. >> baby von is 18 months old. snipes moved to be closer to the baby. that is an extraordinary story and a couple of very special women. that wraps up this hour. i'm so happy to be back with you. i will see you at 11:00 a.m. with my partner. more news with another friend of
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mine. >> i miss you, too. it's great to have you back. here at the capital a very consequential day starting with this room and the confirmation hearing for mike pompeo. what a time to be in the seat in the middle of the room. you have rough relations with russia and talks with north korea and syria and a presidential pullback as donald trump warns u.s. missiles are coming soon or maybe not soon at all. the mixed messages are out there for everyone to see including allies, russia, syrians waiting for help as the self imposed 48-hour deadline has come and gone. i want to start with garret on capitol hill. mike pompeo has plenty on his plate with syria, russia, north korea, iran, you name it. how do we expect this to unfold?
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>> reporter: this will be an interesting hearing because we know one republican rand paul will oppose mike pompeo. that means to get out of this room he will need some democratic support. i would be paying attention to how some more moderate democrats on this committee question him. i'm talking about tim cain, ben card cardin. i expect he will get blistered by some of the more liberal members of this committee including cory booker will probably go after him. rand paul will of course go after him. we have gotten a look at pompeo's prepared remarks. we know he is putting distance between himself and rex tillerson. he is talking about filling some vacancies. for folks critical of tillerson pompeo will try to cast

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