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order" episode. what does michael cohen do? is he a fixer? or is he an attorney? more importantly, what did he do for donald trump and what were investigators looking for when they raised his home, office, hotel room and safety deposit box. what will the judge do? yesterday she struck down an order to examine the documents surrounding cohen. and is this all about cohen or could it implicate the president? and if it's all about cohen, what has donald trump so worried? and why in the world was sean hannity going to michael cohen for legal advice. now that he's been revealed as cohen's mystery third client, the commentator has been distancing himself from the
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attorney. >> michael cohen never represented me in any legal matter. it was such a minor relationship, it had to do with real estate and nothing political. >> so was cohen his lawyer or not? and why when he reported over and over again about cohen and the raid, why did he never mention his ties with someone who he was defending on air. during "the view" she described a man who threatened her to keep quiet about mr. trump. >> to your recollection, is that the person that threatened you? >> yes. and finally, why does stormy daniels attorney think that cohen will flip on president
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trump? so our big question today is what could possibly happen next? let's get right to our kaem tea reporters. we are very haphave betsy woodr winter, an investigative reporter who was at that hearing yesterday. and gabe sherman is an msnbc contributor. phil, you're in the hot seat today, because you're the prize winner, i'm going to start with you. we have sean hannity coming out as the secret client number three, stormy damaniels is in t courtroom. the president is according to everybody around him very unhappy with this. fact is stranger than fiction in in scenario.
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i'm going to leave it to you, where do we go next? what happens? >> well, it's just more and more intriguing details by the day, including this new connection with sean hannity and it underscores the heightened unease at the white house and at mar-a-lago where the president is. i mean that raid on michael cohen's home and office and hotel room was extremely upsetting to the president. it's all because they don't really know where the federal investigators are going and what they have. they obviously obtained a number of records, they seized records from cohen that pertain to his work with trump, but also with his other clients, and it's just unclear how far this is all going to unravel. we publicly just simply don't know what they're after and what sort of secrets those records might be able to detail. >> especially since michael cohen could have been recording conversations.
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>> exactly. >> who knows what they might have found stored in those tapes, if those tapes do exist. maybe they exist with the president. is the white house trying to formulate an attack plan or a strategy to combat this or to push back on this, or are they just waiting for the president to tweet? >> there seems to be no evident strategy, there's clearly a strategy to push back on comey, with his book tour, but not so much with cohen, they're deflecting a lot of the questions to the president's legal team, the president is personally very engaged on this, but his white house team is trying to stay focussed on the events of today. >> who would have thought that james comey would have been playing second fiddle this week. speaking of comey, betsy, he's describi describing trump in his new book as a mafia boss, dealing with
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the president, something akin to dealing with the mob. you were the first one in your reporting to describe trump in similar terms, a mafia boss, the godfather of politics. when you're describing michael cohen, though, what did michael cohen do for the godfather of politics? >> cohen was sort of one part fixer, one part hype man. he spent so much time going on tv and trying to boost donald trump back in 2012, 2011, when trump was largely viewed by the political class as something of a side show or a joke. at the same time, cohen also appears to be closely involved in some of trump's business dealings. in fact this past friday when the court hearing for the raid was going on, and comey was seen werie ing
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wearing that very dapp-- rose n long-time associate of a russian billion area. so all these people are close to each other and any time you have complex business dealings, where things related to trump's connections to trump, michael cohen is almost always involved. >> i described trump's strategy during the campaign this way, when there was a controversy in front of him, instead of trying to back away from that controversy, he ran right at it. is that what michael cohen is doing? he's running right at more questions about his dealings with russians. >> i think you can certainly say tha that, i think one of the important stories about cohen,
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he's confirmed on the record, he confirmed on the record that he made that payment to stormy daniels, he didn't publicly try to lie about it. and second his attorney confirmed on the record that the fbi had actually raided him. and speaking of mob -- analogies, fbi, a specific tool that they have is raiding the family's lawyers. >> the judge, according to your reporting, didn't rule out a special master. when are we going to find out how she decides? >> zpastarting tomorrow, the federal officials aring go to have to update the judge, if she chooses a special master, once we start to see those filings come in, then we'll see the judge respond, either call for another hearing, essentially be called back into court again,
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but to advance the ball to pick whether it's going to be a special master, or this privilege team or taint team as it's called. >> let's trial to call it a privilege team, or a filter team. >> it will either be the privilege team or the filter team that they'll use, or a special master. so we'll find out this week or early next week. but it doesn't mean that the investigation completely stops because they have been monitoring michael cohen's emails leading up to the search warrant coming in. so i that'll have an opportunity, those emails that have already been shared with them, they'll have an opportunity for the people who investigate them, to continue forward with that part of the investigation. >> mr. pulse on fox news, sean hannity getting wrapped up in this. sean hannity according to the cohen filing, asked cohen to
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keep his name out of it, to appeal and say i don't want my name in this it. now he's on his program saying it was really nothing, i was just asking about something about real estate. >> so he's not my lawyer. >> on the one thing he's saying keep my find out of it, i want any conversations we have had to be privileged. and then he says she's not my attorney, i only had a few conversations with him. fox according to my reporting is going to release an additional statement to try to clarify some of hannity's remarks. people are confused, angry, no one knew it was coming down the pike, including management, everyone was caught off guard. and until hannity and fox provide a further picture about the relationship between michael cohen and hannity, this is still a live issue for them. >> i know there's rules in place
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at news organizations about disclose yours, if i had a relationship with michael cohen, and i'm reporting on michael cohen, i would have to disclose it. that's what news organizations do. does an organization like fogs have that requirement? >> i think you're being very generous by describing fox as a news organization. >> they clearly hannity is very unlikely to be disciplined. he has so much power, he's the highest rated star on the network, this is a guy who speaks to the president on a regular basis, gives the president political advise, gets the president to tweet to review his show, so the fact that he's entwined in this legal scandal, i can't see this to be anything other than more of the same. >> there are some really good
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journalists at fox news, how are they feeli ining right now? and is there a feeling they don't want to be there anymore? >> at some legvel, this is a jo, they need to put a roof over their head, but clearly they're angry. it makes their job ever more difficult. it strains a network that already has a sort of tattered reputation. and basically there are rules for some people, and clearly not rules for others. so i think again until management at fox really clarifies this, they have a restive organization. >> what do you think about not only hnot -- >> he hasn't weighed in on it yet, but it's an incredible mixing here. hannity and trump have had this mutually beneficial rating for
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years now. hannity has been able to interview the president. people when they tune in know that he speaks to the president regularly, and the president knows he has a cheerleader and to push his agenda and to attack his enemies on prime time cable news. it's really striking that he's been covering, hannity has been commenting on the cohen situation, all last week, condemning those raids and so forth, without disclosing to his audience that he has this special relationship with cohen. >> those raids are terrible, i hope they don't pick up on something about me. the president's team has told us that he filed an extension on his taxes, we haven't gotten word about whether he's still under audit. it's kind of a joke to ask at this point, is the president's
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taxes under a audit and that's why they're refusing to show their taxes. >> it is tax day, there's no new word on the president's taxes, but i would not stay up all night waiting for them, i don't think we're going to see them. >> or proof that he's under audit. that's very easy to hand over, without giving any of the information about why he's under aud audit. guys i really appreciate it. what does all this mean legally speaking? daniel golden, u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the office that raided cohen joins me next. we're also following breaking news out of philadelphia, where a southwest plane made an emergency landing, a woman almost got suck eed outf a window. a former ntsb board member joins
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blocks prosecutors from viewing materials seized by the fbi last week in the raid. the judge did leave open the possibility of appointing a special third party, a special master that examines information
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that might be covered by attorney-client privilege. so the judge in this case, kendall wood say no to a special master, does it seem that she may order it just to push off any appearance of impropriety, any appearance of die ybias her? >> i see two paths here, one is the special master, and one is the judge deciding some of these issues. >> she could decide herself? >> i think she likely would appoint a special master, or perhaps a magistrate judge that works under her. it's not because of what she said yesterday, it's because of what she did, and that was to allow michael cohen to review the materials, him and his lawyers themselves. that is a huge victory for michael cohen, the ordinary
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course of a search warrant of the government would be, take the materials, provide it to the filter team, and have them review it and make a decision as to what is privileged and then give it to the investigative team, anything that's not privileged, and michael cohen in this instance would never see the materials, until if and when he were charged and the government has to turn it over. but now that his lawyers have the materials, they will go through it and they will make arguments to the judge that this is privileged, that's privileged and the judge can't ignore those arguments. so just the fact that cohen and his lawyers have the materials, means that this is going to be litigated and it means that someone is going to have to decide. >> it but why wouldn't she do this in this scenario, that it
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doesn't go to the clean team, and then go to the investigators. why make this exceptions? >> i think under the circumstances with the attention and the glare and the fact that the president of the united states is very intricately involved in this, most judges want to be very caucus, they dondo i want to do anything that they not be able to undo that has a much broader impact or influence beyond what the narrow legal issue is. >> it bears reminding, how high the legal bar is in order for the sdny to say i want to raid an attorney's office? >> you have to show that it is necessary to do a raid and that a regular grand jury subpoena is in sufficient to obtain the information and materials that you want. and in this case, the
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prosecutors have indicated that there may be one of two reasons why that is the case. one, is that there is some evidence and it was redacted from the government's brief, there's information that michael cohen may conceal or destroy information if he were to receive a subpoena. and the other applies in all cases. or not all cases, but it can apply in many cases which is when you are investigating a lawyer, as we know now, there's a crime fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege, which means that you cannot claim something is privileged if the communication is in furtherance of a crime. michael cohen has the individual who's being investigated is not going to call in a crime fraud protection on his own. so the prosecutors, if they were to have given a subpoena, michael cohen would have given a list of documents that are
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privileged because he's not going to give an exception to the privilege. so there's a need for the investigators to obtain the documents themselveses without having michael cohen. >> doesn't it mean that they're investigating some pretty serious stuff? >> given the spectacle we saw yesterday and the attention that this is getting, the u.s. attorney's office is not going to take something like this lightly. now remember, and tom winter pointed this out, they have the emails of michael cohen, or some emails of michael cohen that they obtained through a different search warrant that was not a public raid of a physical premises, but they got from an email something that is his server. so they've been going through this process and they know something about what he's been communicating. >> is it fair to say this is going to be all about michael cohen and not about the president of the united states, or is it fair to assume that the president's going to get tied up
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into this somehow? or is it just too early to tell? >> the government said in the hearing yesterday that some of these materials date back to 2011, and others date back to 2013. those are almost certainly related to the trump administration because that was michael cohen's employer at the time. >> 2007 to 2017? >> these a documents back to th point are likely related to the trump organization. and i think why you saw the president react see vigorously against this search is because those documents may very well relate at a minimum to the trump administration and quite possibly to the president himself. this is sort of where the bodies are burieied much more from his perspective of the russia
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investigation, because he knows he didn't have any personal interaction at this time. >> they called it out on "the view," if you know the man in this sketch is, if somebody calls in and says i know this guy, legally speaking, what happens next? >> what happens next is they would go and detain him and question him. and i'm sure their very first question would be, a, did you do it -- >> would it enough for the cops to detain and question you? >> they would go question him. it would not be enough for them to arrest him. but it would be enough to go and question him. first question is did you do this? and the second question is who were you working for? >> i have no idea who that man is, it's just people on qutwitt talking about who it might be.
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>> with that and the special master, anyway. coming up next, lawmakers are about to be briefed on a strike in syria, that many of them say should have been approved by them first. and why is the president backing off on plans to punish putin further? california congressman eric swallwell is live and he joins me next.
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call or visit right now on the hill, military leaders are preparing to brief lawmakers on last week's strikes in syria. the big question for some members of congress, why weren't we consulted? will these strikes actually deter syria's leader from committing another attack. yesterday we were expecting an announcement of new sanctions on moscow and that was based on what u.n. ambassador nikki haley said over the weekend. >> so you will see that russian sanctions will be coming down. secretary mnuchin will be announcing those on monday if he hasn't already. >> but now the president appears to be backing away from those
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measures. word from his top economic advisor larry kudlow, nikki haley just got ahead of the curve. garrett, what it's the sense of syria on the hill today? >> reporter: i've been talking to lawmakers about this all morning, the general sense here from lawmakers of both parties is they are supportive of the president's limited strike on friday night. but they want to know what the plan is going forward. syria has bedeviled two presidents, and now they want to figure out what is the broader strategy here, other than teaching assad a lesson. the dozens of lawmakers i interviewed today, ron johnson summed up best what i am hearing lawmakers say. take a listen. >> first of all, i want to know exactly what happened, the extent of the damage, the extent of syrian and russian defense systems, were they effective at all? and if they weren't, it sends a
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pretty powerful signal, it's probably worth a strike just in and of itself. but i hope we do start talking about a broader strategy, what is it? how can we deny iran and russia, all the influence, the growing influence in syria. just as i was demanding of the oman administration a few years ago, what is your strategy towards syria, i think it's crucial. >> reporter: members of congress in the house and the senate who receive this briefing separately will be briefed in part by general mattis, probably the one who has the highest credibility of everyone on capitol hill. this is the person they very much want to hear from about this. >> is it just the gang of eight or is it those on the armed services committee as well? >> no, katie, in fact as you can see behind me, lawmakers are behind me now, the entire house
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will get this briefing, then the entire senate will get this briefing, so we will have sort of an even playing field with all lawmakers invited to question this administration. >> and eric swalwell, thank you for being here. let's talk syria. after the president tweeted mission accomplished for his strike in syria. you tweeted back, what's the mission, you did same strike last year, it failed, syria still gases it's own people. what should he have done? >> first of all, we can't allow syria to gas its own people, this is something they did after the last strike they did last year, but they're continuing to do it this year. but we can't allow an unhinged president to go to the middle east without a plan again. that's been a disaster in the past. he should have gone before
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congress, we should have been able to define the time, the troops as well as the terrain, and also does this include iran and russia. >> in my understanding, there were military strikes. do you think there should been troops? >> what i want to know, does his authority as he understands it include putting troops in syria to stop what syria is doing. but also katie, who are our allies in this? is it just western allies that we're grateful to have, but we know there's no western solution to the problems in the middle east. and what about our middle east allies, like the turks. >> do you want regime change in syria? shoulds ago s s agassad go? >> yes, assad should go, but
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that's up to the syrian people. i don't think trump has figured out what our -- >> what will you hear from secretary mattis that will make you feel like there is a plan? is he equipped to tell you what the strategy is? >> he certainly is qualified and i have high confidence in secretary mattis. but what i would like to know, is when he briefed the country over the weekend, it seemed to be a one-shot opportunity that they took over the weekend, as he described it. but president trump told the country the night before, that this was a sustaining effort. so i would like to know what the difference is there. should we expect additional strikes and troops on the ground and a protracted conflict with syria? so there's a lot we would like to hear today from secretary mattis. >> senate foreign relations
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committee member john corker and tim kaine have got forth a new resolution. will you vote in support of that if it does come to a vote? >> if it tells us what the troops commitment is, how much time and what the troops commitment is, and if we're going to engage other allies, that's something i would be supportive of. but if this is only the united states in a protracted conflict without congressional buy in, i will never support that because we know what it looks like and we also know who's going to go fight those wars, it's not jared kushner and donald trump jr., it's the kids from michigan and the kids from the rust belt who he promised he would not send in on situations like this. >> what about nikki haley over the weekend, who said there would be more sanctions and now it looks like there's not going
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to be more sanctions. >> she's right. it's up to the president to say how his policy is going to be on syria. i think the policy toward russia should be we're going to counter their aggression everywhere, and the way you achieve it is one, you directly confront vladimir putin, and you get our allies to join us in those sanctions and you unify our leaders so we can tell russia what we have done and we can protect the ballot box going forward. the president has a number of things he can do and he has seemed to do none of them. we're going to take a look at this news conference that's getting under way about that, that southwest plane that had an engine blow and a woman nearly sucked out of a window. let's listen. >> i'm dan bradbradley, i'm the director of emergency management. at this time we are working with
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southwest airlines to provide support to the passengers that have temporarily been here in philadelphia. we are working with them closely to help them make their next connections and to continue to their final destination. we have been in contact with the nastional transportation safety board, they have sent a jump team and we expect their arrival at about 6:00 p.m. today. what we usually do is provide a contact number for friends and family. we are waiting on that number, and we will provide it to you as soon as we can. at this time, we're available to take limited questions. >> is that passenger alive? >> we're not going to release any information about the passenger's condition. again, we had one passenger who was transported to a local hospital in critical condition. >> were there any other passengers injured? >> there were is other passengers who were assessed and
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five of these were treated and seven others were offered transport. [ inaudible ]. >> we are not confirming anything about patient outcome at this time. >> maybe this is a question for the airline, would you consider this a catastrophic engine failure? a loss of cabin, hold you characterize this incident the way you know it now? >> the airline, as you might imagine is in our emergency operations center dealing with a lot of the other things, including getting the passengers on other flights, working with our law enforcement partners, i can't say that when our aircraft rescue and firefighters units of the philadelphia fire department arriv arrived, they found a fuel leak and a small fire in one of the engines on this 737 aircraft. >> was this related to a birth
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stribirth -- bird strike at all? >> it's too early to tell, the ntsb team will be on the ground here very soon, and it will be up to the ntsb team to determine how this incident occurred. [ inaudible ] >> the aircraft did experience some damage to the fuselage. >> we understand that there are passengers that are being interviewed by the fbi. do you know how long it will be before the passengers will be allowed to proceed to their final destinations? >> the fbi is conducting interviews, that's entirely standard in an incident of this nature. our goal as well as the airline's goal is to get these passengers on their way, they have had a tough day, so that's what the fbi is doing right now, is getting those passengers on their way. again, i want to say thank you to the other airlines here and everybody's really banded together to take care of those
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folks while they're in transit here in philadelphia. [ inaudible ] >> i can say that the aircraft did experience some damage. >> what part of the aircraft experienced the damage, was it the tail? >> the fuselage and parts of the wings. >> have you seen pictures on social media? >> i have. that is the aircraft that you see on the news and on social media is the aircraft there was involved in this incident. >> commissioner did something hit that window? >> it really is too early to tell, that's why the ntsb has a team on their way here. aircraft are complicated pieces of machinery, i can say that the crew did a great job of getting this aircraft on the ground. it -- the status of the aircraft
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will be 2kerdetermined by the n. >> was it a female? do you mind me asking? >> i actually don't know the demographics of the crew. >> do you know if the passengers were working together inside to make it safe while they were trying to land? >> it is our understanding and, again, it's still very early. it is our understanding that the passengers on board the aircraft, in addition to the flight crew and the cabin crew did some pretty amazing things under very difficult circumstan circumstances. you'll hear more about that i'm sure, that's still very my information, and i'm sure that will come out of the ntsb's briefings and report. >> is there any way we can hear more from the airline? >> like i said the airline is firmly ensconced in the eoc to try and do everything they can right now, i think their focus
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is rightly on the passengers, so that's why they had us come down here and report on this incident. hopefully the airline will be ready to talk a little bit more once we have that family reunification number in hand. but they're focused on that and i think really focused on the passengers at this point. [ inaudible ] >> that's not a request that we would make. >> are all the passengers going to go back to dallas or possibly -- [ inaudible ] >> we're unaware of the flight arrangements for the passengers and i think those are being made right now. >> can you characterize their demeanor at all? >> i haven't seen the passengers who are currently going through the rest of the process. but, you know, i can imagine it was a difficult flight. >> was there any professional medical team on board that flight? >> it's still too soon to tell, we have some preliminary information that there were some folks potentially an offduty
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firefighter and maybe some other medical professionals who were on board. i'm glad you mentioned that as well. we also have our partners from the red cross, our department of behavioral held aalth services route. >> he's talking about that plane there, that southwest flight that was bound for dallas, that made an emergency landing this afternoon. this is a really freaky story, listen to this, one of the engines, that one right there, exploded mid flight. the debris from that engine flew off, punctured a hole in one of the windows and partially sucked a woman out of the window. that's the engine right there. the woman was partially out of the window, other passengers on that plane, this window right here, pulled her back in. she is in critical condition right now.
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the fire commissioner wouldn't say what her condition is at the moment. we know she was transferred in critical condition. wouldn't confirm if she is still alive or not. wouldn't deny it either. just don't know. he did say that there were seven other minor injuries. but again, wouldn't get into the current condition of that one passenger. folks on the ground tell our affiliate, our station down there, our o & o, our nbc news o & o that it was a woman who was pulled out of that plane, frightening to say the least. i want to bring in a former ntsb board member to talk about how in the world this could happen. joe, it's probably one of our greatest fears -- john, i'm sorry, excuse me. john, how does this happen? how does an engine explode and have enough force to puncture that glass?
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there's two panes of glass, right, and it's highly pressurized? >> the airplane is pressed. the glass is a sandwich of plastic acrylic and glass to with stand the tremendous amount of pressure that it undertakes and it handless it very well. but it doesn't handle impacts very well. so the impact from debris from the engine that is traveling at very high rates of speed. you know the engine's spinning, at thousands of rpm. so when they come apart, those pieces leave at a very high rate of speed, and one fortunately, one of them struck the window which then fractured and went out, and because the airplane is fre pressurized july like a balloon, when you open a balloon, that air that's inside rushes out and it sweeps everything that's not tied down inside the airplane, it's going to try to sweep it out through that opening. and in this case, it tried to
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take a passenger out. we have had that happen before. >> in what scenario did this happen before? >> i can recall an airplane over new mexico had a window pop without an engine failure, had the window pop and leave and the passenger was ejected in a particular way. tried to go out the window. >> we have a little bit of video that i think is being posted on facebook right now. let's try to bring it up so we can show our viewers, this is, i guess, what it was like on the flight after the cabin was depressurized, after that window broke. we're also told that the flight started dropping precipitously after the cabin depressurized. and the pilots had to work pretty quickly to even it out. what is it like inside a plane when that sort of thing happens? >> well, i believe that the pilots actually commanded that rapid descent.
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at 32,000 feet, when you lose pressurization, you only have a matter of seconds for people to live. so the normal procedure for a pilot is to take that airplane down and he took it down at the rate of 3,500 feet a minute, or 3,600 feet a minute for four minutes and then he leveled off at an altitude where people can breathe normally, although sometimes with some problems, but they have a better chance of surviving. so i believe that was the pilot who commanded that airplane down as is procedure to get to a lower altitude. >> is that like coming up from very deep water quickly? >> no, because the nitrogen is not there. >> got it. the ntsb is looking into this. what type of failures are they going to be looking for in that engine? >> they're going to be through that engine piece by piece.
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when you look at the engine, it appears that we had a fan section or a compressor section fail. but i'm not convinced of that as i look at the damage. so the ntsb is going to go through that engine physically, to see what they can find, what pieces are embedded into the engine and the ones that embedded into the airplane. so they'll look at those and they'll be going to the facility that overallhauled this engine, because when these airplanes go through these repair facilities, many of these parts are x rayed or have many forms of nondestructive testing done on them. and they're going do want to know what all was done and what procedures they followed. they're going to talk to anyone in that shop that had anything to do with that engine. >> will the blame for this all
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lie with southwest, ultimately? >> it's too soon to tell. >> john, thank you very much for explaining this to us, we appreciate it. very scary scenario. and there it's an ntsb briefing coming up at the top of the hour at reagan international airport. next up, republican congressman charlie dent already announcement that he was going to be retiring at the end of his term. why is he saying now he can't wait that long? is it really that bad for moderate republicans?
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we're going to get to the charlie dent news in a moment, but fox news has released a statement on sean hannity. although that sean hannity w surprised by the announcement yesterday. we have spoken to sean and he continues to have our full support. so fox news will be doing nothing about the fact that their commentator didn't tell anybody that was he was in a legal relationship with a man who was being raided by the fbi. first he was retiring and now he's resigning, republican congressman charlie dent has announced that he's leaving congress. he had announced that he would not run for re-election and he cited president trump as one of
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his reasons, but his decision to leave early are, quote, because of reflection with my family. paul ryan announced last week that he wouldn't run for re-election there fall. what's going to happen to his seat, will there be a special election? >> reporter: it's up to the governor of pennsylvania. it's actually a crazy situation, this district was thrown out, the entire state was thrown out, so if they do a special election, it will be under the old map, so whoever has that seat, if they win it in a special election will only have it for a couple of months and then will have to run for re-election in a new district in november. the really crazy thing is that republicans will probably have to spend a lot of money to -- the governor kind of has wide
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latitude, he can call a special election immediately or he can actually scheduled the special election for election day in november. the governor says he's going to wait until he gets the paper work from the house of representatives, from dent north to make a decision. >> so charlie dent is one of the leaders of the moderate faction of the republican party in the house. a lot of these members that we're seeing retire, are the more moderate members. i'll pose this to you, are we in fact seeing in real time the republican party split own and melt because of donald trump? >> i think you're seeing a lot of people who are used to a certain kind of washington and certain kind of governing style head for the exits. but dent is a really remarkable example. this is somebody who basically came out this morning and said i cannot wait the next seven months to get out of congress. instead i'm going to leave my seat early, i'm going to specially cause a special
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election that will cost the state money and will certainly cost republicans money. and i'm going to leave halfway through. i know he said he had conversations with his family, and he has had conversations with other people who might be employing him afterwards, he might want to get a head start on the employment process of a former member of congress. but somebody who doesn't want to serve out the term he was elected to serve, even though let's going to be done in november. >> you might say he's running like an antelope out of control, out of the halls of congress. >> it you might say that. >> is it that bad with moderates? congressman dent has been on with me several times and he's talked about how difficult it is for republicans to get anything done, how difficult it is to defend the republican agenda, when you have a president who's
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tweeting attacks on members of the party, a president who's tweeting attacks on the republican agenda when it doesn't suit his personal needs. is it that bad for members of congress and could we be seeing more resignations coming soon or more retirements? >> i think there could be more retirements in the next couple of weeks. most of the filing deadlines have passed, so the opportunity to announce your retirement has kind of passed you by if you're a republican or a democrat for that matter. dent is one of the few house republicans who has tried to defend bob mueller's probe into trump's collusion in the election and has pushed for a vote on the house floor. paul ryan, the speaker, has said he doesn't think that's necessary. he's comfortable that the president will not fire bob mueller. dent's saying it's been wonderful, now he's on his way, he's had a long term in
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congress, but not all together surprising. >> no so stupendous living in that tube. jake sherman, always good to see you. and one more thing before we go, surprise, another bad headline involving tax dollars and epa chief scott pruitt, this one involved his government ride. the report says that pruitt upgraded to a larger, customized suv than the one he inserted his new car includes leather interior, bucket seats and wi-fi. and he spent hundreds more to cover the seats with bulletproof covers. the year-long lease on his new suv totals more than $10,000, $300 more per month than his predecessor's suv which is reportedly still under lease and just sitting idle at the pentagon headquarters. he's facing a congressional
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investigation into all that first class travel, a probe the house just expanded. he rented a condo from the wife of a d.c. lobbiest and a committee found that he violated c senate spending laws when he installed a soundproof phone boost in his office, a booth he doesn't real need because the epa already has a secure soundproof booth on site, a skiff you might call it. but pruitt still has a job, and so does ryan zinke, who spent millions of dollars on chartered and military flights. his agency's inspector general found that all of that travel was, well, it was proper, according to them. hmm. okay, well here's the president with prime minister
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abe, prime minister abe or president abe? prime minister abe. at mar-a-lago. they are going to have a summit in just a little bit. alley velshi is going to pick things up for us, he's going to be covering that, giving us all the ins and out. this is a very big deal. >> this is a big deal, what is also a big deal, you know you can get an entire bulletproof suit for $20,000? i think scott pruitt would do away with a lot of this, just get a big bulletproof onezie. yesterday i asked you to stay, that crazy news that broke right at the top of the show, and you were out of here. >> i was. a girl's going to do what a girl's got to do. >> are you back on later? >> surprisingly, i'm not. good afternoon i'm

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