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school shooting in history. that record, of course, has been broken with a vengeance. according to the "washington post," more than 208,000 children at 212 schools have been exposed to gun violence since columbine. the freedom to speak out and to pursue our lives free of oppression and gun violence are critical rights in any free society. americans need to make noise, to make sure our rights don't get taken from us. don't you think? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> getting along with russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. >> new revelations about trump's curious relationship to vladimir putin. >> he told you that he had had a personal conversation with president putin about hookers? >> yes. tonight, why trump changed his story about his moscow trip and a bombshell about michael flynn. >> yeah, that's right!
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lock her up! >> and the democratic party files a federal lawsuit against russia, wikileaks, and the trump campaign. >> russia, if you're listening -- >> the head of the dnc, tom perez, joins me exclusively tonight. plus, did the fbi leak information to rudy giuliani? >> he's got a surprise or two that you're going to hear about in the next few days. >> james comey confirms he was investigating. and a check in on the president's work day. >> golf, golf, golf, golf, more, more. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. vladimir putin was the first world leader to call donald trump after he was sworn in as it will 45th president of the united states. and the president was incensed that staff did not tell him right away, forcing him to delay returning putin's call. that is just one of the revelations in the comey memos, the former fbi director's contemporaneous accounts of his conversations with the president, which have now been made public, thanks to
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republican efforts to shake them out of the justice department. now, presumably, it was an effort, they hoped, would vindicate the president and discredit kocomey. >> there is absolutely no evidence here of any obstruction of justice. there's nothing else in there, no red flags, no smoking gun that would incriminate the president. and so as trey gowdy, who had seen this several months ago, it's the best exhibit "a" defense of president trump. >> hmm. not sure about that. because like the nunez memo, this latest gambit by the president's allies has backfired in a spectacular fashion. the memos, if anything, bolster the credibility of comey's account, showing that his story about his interactions with the president has been remarkably consistent. the demand for loyalty, the urging to let michael flynn go, the pressure on comey to publicly clear the president in the russia probe. the memos also provide a new window on the president's bizarre and perplexing relationship to vladimir putin. and on his utter fixation with
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the most salacious claim in the steele dossier, you know the one i'm talking about. according to comey recalling his private dinner with the president on january 20th, 2017, the president said flynn had just informed him about the call from putin while british prime minister theresa may was visiting earlier that same day. now, putin's name is redacted in the memo, but multiple reports have confirmed he was the leader in question. quote, it was then the president learned of blank's call and he confronted flynn about it. flynn said the return call was scheduled for saturday, which prompted a heated reply from the president that six days was not appropriate period of time to recall a call from the blank of the country of blank. this prompted the president to suspect that flynn had, quote, judgment issues, according to comey's memo. comey also recounts that the president kept bringing up what he called, quote, the golden showers thing, insisting that it could not have been true, because you know what, he didn't even stay the night in moscow. quote, he said he had spoken to
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people who had been on the miss universe trip with him and that they had reminded him, he didn't stay overnight in russia for that. he said he arrived in the morning, did events, and then showered and dressed at the pageant hotel, and then left. they departed for new york by plane that same night. very detail sturdy. now, the president told comey that story about not staying overnight in moscow, hence, not being able to participate in the golden showers thing. he told him that story at least twice. didn't stay overnight, nothing could have happened. but here's the thing, we know that's not true. he stayed at least one night if moscow. and we know it from news accounts and social media postings and because an nbc news crew was there with msnbc's thomas roberts, who co-hosted the pageant! this is a photo that thomas' producer posted to instagram on november 8th, 2013, and there's donald trump on the right. it wasn't until the following day which, of course, would be november 9th, that trump sat
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down to tape an interview with thomas. >> do you have a relationship with vladimir putin? a conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government? >> i do have a relationship. and i can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today. he's probably very interested in what you and i are saying today and i'm sure he's going to be seeing it in some form, but i do have a relationship with him. >> julia ioffe with "the atlantic," what is up with this relationship? >> well, you know, donald trump did say he showered in moscow, right, so. >> oh, come on! >> okay. i think it's interesting and what, you know, when i read these memos, i was looking at it from the russian point of view and vladimir putin is good. this is a daft move on his part. he's done it before. you know, being the first guy in
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the door to congratulate. he did this to george w. bush. he was the first foreign leader to call george w. bush on 9/11, something that putin made assure to point out. he wants to be the first one in the door, greasing up his subject. >> yeah, that's interesting. so this -- what you're saying -- and it's his trade move. >> it's a move and also not necessarily indicative of anything else. evelyn, what there is, it's clear that trump is furious that flynn doesn't let him know. >> right. and i mean, actually, there, chris, i kind of sympathize with the president -- >> agreed. >> that six days is a long time. and if i were his boss, i would be annoyed. why is he withholding that? it does -- there is merit to that point. and i also agree with julia, you know, this is a vintage putin move. he did it with george w. bush and really did butter up george w. bush, at that time, that was right before george w. bush met with putin and said, i looked in his eyes and saw his soul.
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and of course, later, john mccain said, there's no soul. he's a kgb agent and he knows his audience. but donald trump also, again, in that interview with thomas, he's showing how sensitive he is to what putin thinks of him. which, again, is sort of odd. >> yeah, that is the sort of through line here. we also have this reporting, julia, from reuters, that says, the russians are saying that the president invited putin to the white house multiple times during that famous do not congratulate call. u.s. department invited vladimir putin to the white house during the call. the news agency quoted foreign minister sergey lavrov saying trump returned to the subject of an invitation during the call last month and russia was now expecting him to formalize the invitation. what do you make of that? >> this is a classic russian move, these details come not from the american press, not from the white house, but from the russian press. they troll so hard and they're trying to show, look -- look, i'm serious. they're trying to show, well,
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anytime they're in the dog house, they're like, well, your president likes us. your president invited us, you know, there are so many things we have found out from the russian side about what our president has said to them, and not from the american side. and the russians know that, and they're doing it on purpose to highlight, again, to kind of highlight and attenuate these tensions in our society. >> evelyn, i want to ask you about the syria strikes and the fallout from that there. senator menendez said something to me the other night that struck me and i've been puzzling over it. i want to play that and get your reaction. >> i don't know if this was carefully choreographed, because you have a strike against three facilities. the russians don't activate their defense missiles against us. the syrians shoot their missiles after our missiles land. and you wonder, wait a minute, was this a cough graphed kabuki show? >> sky news reports that russia says that they were told the u.s. where they could bomb in syria, which there's some level in which that seems like a
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natural way of avoiding some massive escalation, but what do you think of that? >> i think it's something a little short of that. so they have this joint coordination mechanism, the militaries do, where they talk to one another, so we're not inadvertently shooting at one another, although i should know, on the night of february 7th to the 8th, there was shooting between russians and americans, where russians died. but, you know, generally speaking, we try to avoid this. and you know, unless we're attacked, which is what happened with the rupgsssians. so i think that we gave enough information that the russians felt, you know, secure enough to decide not to use the air defenses. because they have their air defenses they could have employed against us. and they didn't. that would have been escalatory from our perspective. >> julia? >> that said, this is very different than what the u.s. did around this time last year. if you recall, they gave -- you know, they didn't give the russians or the syrians much warning at all. this time, trump tweeting back and forth, will he, won't he?
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i will, i won't. the syrians and russians had plenty of time to move everything out of the way and to make the strike look even more kind of ceremonial and performtive than it would very otherwise. >> julia ioffe and evelyn farkas, thanks to you both. michael isikoff, nbc news national security, frank f flaguzi, frank, let me start with you. one of the things that comes out in the comey memos, reince priebus directly asking comey if there's a fisa warrant on michael flynn. this is when reince priebus is the chief of staff of the president of the united states, michael flynn is the national security adviser to the president of the united states, asking the fbi director, basically, are you tapping the phones of our national security adviser and comey basically appears to say "yes." what do you think of that? >> well, first, i can almost feel the cringe that comey muff
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experienced, because what we're seeing throughout these memos, chris, is just a rookie white house that doesn't know the ground rules. coming right out and asking, hey, have you got a secret, clandestine wiretap on our guy, not a good move. but comey tries to explain it. but you can see inherent in this is a concern about flynn that they've got a bad guy in their midst. is he a libt? do we need to jettison him now? how bad is this? so the wheels are turning and spinning and we're seeing evidence of that in the comey me memos. >> you know, michael, i can't tell -- tell me if i'm wrong. is it news to have it confirmed that there was a fisa warrant and a tap on michael flynn? >> um, i don't think we knew that there was a fisa warrant on michael flynn. in fact, i'm not sure there was. we know that he was interviewed by the fbi very shortly after he
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became national security adviser and they had concerns about his -- there were issues about how truthful he was in the fbi interview, but i'm -- i'm not sure there would have been grounds at that point for a fisa warrant. maybe frank has other ideas on that, but nothing on the public record. >> i guess my question, one of the things that came through from this, to frank's point, do you feel like we have a clear and full understanding of what it was that was making people worried about michael flynn in the national security apparatus of the united states government? michael? >> yeah, i think if you go back and look at the criminal charges that were filed against flynn, there were activities during the transition, where he was talking to ambassador kislyak of russia, about russia sanctions and suggesting that they would take a new look at them.
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but also, the activities at the u.n. about the resolution condemning israel about settlements in which the united states -- the obama administration had decided was beginning to obtain. and the flynn and other trump transition officials were actively calling ambassadors from the u.n. city council, telling them not to vote for that and telling them the trump administration would have a very different policy. flynn was part of that. that really was interfering in u.s. foreign policy during a time that trump was not yet president. so, you know, there were logan act-like concerns about that activity. and i think that more than anything drove the inquiry into flynn. >> frank, how -- i guess, how common would it be that someone that close to the president would be the subject of this
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concern? >> well, if, indeed, it's true, and we can't erase that redaction, black marker, and figure out what's under it. but if comey said yes -- >> well, some of them you can, apparently, actually, after yesterday. but that one we can't. >> yeah. but if, indeed, they had a fisa on the national security adviser, unprecedented, as is most of what we're talking about here. but there's something we also need to remember. we do know, and there's been reporting that the fbi was providing defensive briefings, as early as during the campaign, to senior campaign officials in the trump camp. and so what we don't know in terms of timeline is whether they had already had defensive briefings that may have even hinted that flynn was a problem. my guess is that they did. and my guess is that very senior officials, likely the assistant director of counterintelligence at the bureau, likely told senior campaign officials if not trump himself, you've got some
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issues, you've got people in your camp meeting with some real persons of interest and you need to watch it. >> that's really interesting. michael isikoff and frank figliuzzi, thanks for joining me. coming up, the democratic party just filed a sweeping lawsuit against russia, wikileaks, and the trump campaign accusing them of hacking the dnc and a conspiracy to influence the election. my exclusive interview with the head of the dnc, tom perez. you won't see this anywhere else. and that's after just two minutes. at complain about dry mouth they feel that they have to drink a lot of water. medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth. dry mouth can cause increased cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. i like to recommend biotene. biotene has a full array of products that replenishes the moisture in your mouth. biotene definitely works. it makes patients so much happier. [heartbeat]
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tom perez, the chairman of the democratic national committee and he joins me now. chairman, why now? >> why now? three reasons, chris. number one, we don't know how long the criminal proceedings will take, nor do we want to rush that. and so, we have to file in order to preserve our rights under the civil justice system. statute of limitations, things of that nature. so we have that legal imperative. number two, over the course of the last year, i've done my homework. a year ago, it was clear to me that the russians had hacked the dnc and they did it with the purpose of helping the donald trump and hurting the democrats. but we didn't have the evidence a year ago connecting the russians and the trump campaign. we have that evidence now. that's why we've moved forward. thirdly, chris, i'm worried about the 2018 elections. there is no accountability for what the russians did. and when they do things with impunity, because this administration won't hold them accountable, we've got to hold them accountable. that's what the civil justice system is about.
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it's about accountability. it's about deterrence. our democracy is on fire. and we have to preserve our democracy. we've got to preserve full and fair elections. and that's a big part of what this is about. >> but the enemies aren't going to be held accountable before the 2018 midterms, right? i've been around civil litigation a little bit, and boy does that take a while. >> well, absolutely, we won't finish the case before now. but we want to send a very, very clear signal. if you want to mess with elections here, they are going to be consequences. we are raising the cost of your interference. we know that this administration is putin's poodle. and so they're not going to do anything. so we will continue to act. if you want to do that, if you're going to punch us, quite frankly, chris, we're going to punch back. and that's what this lawsuit is about. we are protecting our democracy. when you do after the right to vote, when you go after the institution of elections, that is the essence of our democracy. so this wasn't simply an attack on the dnc.
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this was an attack on our democracy. >> just a few of the reactions from some of the people that are named here. roger stone says it's bogus, it's meritless, it's baseless, based on conjecture, speculation, supposition. some lawyers will have to be sanctioned for wasting the court's time. the trump campaign says the trump campaign will be prepared to leverage the discovery process, explore the dnc's now-secret records about the actual corruption they perpetrated, and of course, the president tweeting that -- it's good news that it will now counter for the dnc server that they refuse to give to the fbi. and then he said, the wendy wasserman schultz server. i think he then later corrected to debbie wasserman schultz. a document held by the pakistani mystery man in clinton e-mails. the people you've sued have gotten your attention, i guess. >> i saw that response, and it was kind of a greatest hits of all of their wild conspiracy theories. and here's the thing for me, chris. i spent 12 years or so at the justice department. they were some of the best years
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of my professional life. i worked as a career prosecutor under republican and democratic administrations. i believe in the civil justice system. this case now goes before an article 3 judge. it's not trial by twitter. it's trial in a court of law, where fake news and the things that they're talking about, that are just so unfactual -- >> but wait a second. what they're saying is this is fundamentally a political messaging document, it is not a serious lawsuit. >> well, with i'll tell you, chris, this is not about partnership, it's about patriotism. and i'll tell you one other thing. when the lawsuit was filed by the dnc against the nixon campaign, that was the exact response of the nixon campaign and john mitchell and other folks who later became convic d ed felons. and we saw what happened in watergate and we will see what will happen here. >> that's true. 1972, shortly after the break,
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the dnc files a lawsuit on the day that nixon leaves office. finally, senator claire mccaskill, who's in one of the most contested races in the entire country in missouri, of course, she called this lawsuit a silly distraction. and i wonder if you -- your response to that. >> well, we can walk and chew gum. i love senator mccaskill. we've invested in her race. we're going to continue to invest in her race, because she's a great senator. but i'll tell you, i disagree for the simple reason that our democracy is at risk here. we have to make sure that the elections coming up in november are fair. and they -- they invaded us the last time. they hacked the dnc. they tried to influence the outcome of the election. there's no accountability in the white house and why wouldn't they do it again? and we can walk and chew gum at the dnc. >> all right. dnc chairman, tom perez. thank you very much. >> thank you. after the break, senator bernie sanders is here on set to discuss a bunch of topics, including why he and chuck schumer are pushing to decriminalize pot, that's next.
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i'll be introducing legislation to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level from one end of the country to another. the legislation is long overdue. >> democratic party is starting to catch up to the nation when it comes to the issue of marijuana. polls show that nearly two in three americans including a majority of republicans support legalization and recreational or medicinal use is now allowed in 29 states. my next guest has authored a drill to federalize. joining me now, bernie sanders. you and cory booker, i think,
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are on that piece of legislation together. it seems like there's a breakthrough now with the democratic party on this issue. >> well, you know, during my campaign, i talked about it. i was one of the many issues that was just too radical. but you know what, prohibition doesn't work. studies show that over half the american people smoke marijuana. it is insane to be arresting some 600,000 people a year for possession of marijuana. states are moving forward with decriminalization. legalization, vermont moved forward with legalization. the time is now to say that we are not going to punish people for smoking marijuana. states want to go forward and legalize it, that is their right. >> but doesn't the logic of that extend past marijuana? >> to -- >> crack cocaine, heroin, ecstasy. if the issue is prohibition, they're all prohibited substances. >> in portugal, with i think, has moved in that direction. >> they have. let's take one thing at a time. this is a major step forward.
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the issue that really hits me here is that you have thousands and thousands of people whose lives have been wrecked because of being arrested for possession of marijuana. they got a criminal record. you're a young kid, you're going out to get a job. boss says you have a record. well, i do. can't get a job. this is a step forward and i'm proud to support it. >> now, you're also introducing legislation or you have legislation that would allow for criminal penalties or liability for opioid manufacturers, drug companies, correct? >> if, if -- this is the story. >> it seems like there's a little tension there. >> i don't know. here's the story. we have, as everybody recognizes, an opioid epidemic in this country. we lose over 60,000 people a year from overdoses, hundreds of thousands of people are suffering from addiction. here is the question. the question is, when did the opioid manufacturers know that the product that they were selling to doctors was addictive? there is evidence out there to suggest to, in fact, they knew,
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and they were pushing a product that they knew would cause addiction, suffering, and death. states are suing all over the country on this. the federal government has been way, way, way behind where the states are. you'll recall that in the 1990s, congress brought the tobacco manufacturers in front of them and asked them the hard questions. what did you know? when did you know it? we have got to do that with the opioid manufacturers. and if, and i'm not passing a judgment now, but if it is true that these guys were producing and selling a product that they knew was killing people, they have got to be held accountable. right now, we're spending as a nation about $70 billion a year to treat the opioid crisis. those guys are going to -- should not be making billions of dollars here. they have got to help us solve the problem. >> does that same logic of where the fault lies in the liability apply to gun manufacturers? >> it does. if we know that a gun manufacturer, for example, is loading a whole lot of weapons into a town far more than you would expect, and we know
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through a straw man process that those guns are going out into the community, into criminals, should they be held liable if we can prove it? absolutely. >> didn't you sign legislation in the other direction? >> i am a sponsor and co-sponsor of a bill that deals with that issue. the issue is not should a gun manufacturer be held liable because you make a gun that does what it's supposed to do. no. >> that's the distinction you're making? >> right. >> if they're dumping guns into an area in a volume that no one thinks what the local population -- >> i see. >> yeah, that's the issue. i'm wanting to talk to you about trade. you have been a critic of the kind of trade consensus in this country for a long time. >> yes. >> and there's a number of other people, sherrod brown is one of those folks, he wrote a book about trade. i think it's fair to say that donald trump has departed from some of that consensus. renegotiating nafta. we've seen these tariffs -- >> although he's claiming he wants to rethink. >> who knows where he is.
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what do you think of this trade agenda? is this -- does this look like what you envisioned as the alternative to the consensus you've -- >> trump deserves credit for at least dealing with this issue. look, the truth is, our trade policy has been a failure. it has cost us millions of decent-paying jobs. we have lost tens of thousands of factories in the last 20 years. bottom line, there is companies that are shutting down to find cheap labor in china and in mexico. is that an issue that has to be dealt with? absolutely. do we want to demonize the people in mexico or the people in china, as trump often does, the answer is -- so we need comprehensive trade policies. >> so a lot of that folks on the industrial base, manufacturing. >> there's two sides to this. one of the things we're seeing with these tariffs, you have farmers who export grains, you're from a rural state. you have soybean shipments that are being impacted, sorghum ships that are circling around the pacific ocean.
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it makes you wonder, does it make you think about, what does this really look like when we play this out? >> trade is a very conflicted issue. no one thinks there's a simple solution. bottom line is, overall, and there are exceptions. there are the agricultural sectors, which have done well on the various trade policies. by and large, in my view, trade policies have been bad for the middle class and working families of this country and that's god to change. you're never going to come up with a process that works for 100% of the people. you've got to do the best that you can. >> meaning that there's going to be trade-offs, right? >> absolutely. >> when you start getting in there and messing -- >> absolutely. absolutely. but right now, by and large, we have been losing -- the american people, working people have been losing. here's the issue when you talk about trade. trade is a good thing. you want to trade with me? what have you got? i'll buy it. if it's a fair praise. that's what trade is. >> i got a pen and a few papers. >> all right. >> but what is not fair ultimately is american workers having to compete against people in vietnam where the minimum wage is something like 70 cents
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an hour. that's just not fair. so i want to see fair trade, not unfettered free trade. >> senator bernie sanders is here in new york city, which is a treat. great to have you here. >> good to be with you, chris. still ahead, the investigation into whether certain members of the fbi leaked information during the campaign to the president's brand-new lawyer, rudy giuliani. but first, the latest installment of what the president does with his time. thing 1, thing 2 is next. delivery should look like this. crisp leaves of lettuce, freshly-made dressing. clean food that looks this good,
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thing 1 tonight, take a look at the president's public schedule on this lovely spring friday. a little sparse, huh. just one item, a roundtable with rnc supporters is starting at 5:20 p.m. we know president trump gets up early. he was tweeting at 6:34 this morning. he had to find something to do to fill the time. since he's in sunny 80-degree mar-a-lago, why not use all that free time for a round of golf. according to the travel pool, the president arrived at his own trump international golf club at 9:20 this morning, left nearly five hours later at 2:00 p.m., on a weekday. now, we unfortunately don't have any images to show you from today because the white house never lets reporters get anywhere near the president while he's golfing. we do have these photos taken by the japanese ministry of foreign affairs on wednesday, when trump played 18 holes on that same course with the prime minister of japan. if this sounds to you like a lot of golfing for the leader of the free world, you're not alone. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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the president spent nearly five hours at the trump international golf club in west palm beach, florida, today. a friday when most people, including yours truly, are working. it marked his 108th day at one of his own golf properties since taking office. i know somebody who would find that disgraceful. >> i love golf. but if i were in the white house, i don't think i would ever see turnberry again. i don't think i would ever see doral again. i done doral in miami. i just want to stay in the white house and work my ass off, make great deals. who's going to leave? you need leadership. you can't fly to hawaii to play golf. obama, it was reported today, played 250 rounds of golf. obama went golfing every day. golf, golf, golf, golf. more, more, learning how to chip, learning how to hit the drive. learning how to putt. oh, i want more! if you become president and you
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what can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro. so, whatever happened to the internal fbi investigation surrounding the man who just joined donald trump's legal team? we'll look at what rudy giuliani is up to, ahead. first, among the stories that went under the radar this week was the senate confirmation of
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oklahoma republican, jim bridenstein to lead nasa. bridenstein who has no background in science just squeaked by the senate on a peter line vote, and now a republican congressman who says he's not sure humans are the primary drivers of climate change will lead the $20 billion bureaucracy charged with studying the man-made effects of climate change. one of the nasa programs is called operation ice bridge, which tracks how climate change is affecting the earth's all-important polar regions. msnbc's jacob soboroff went to greenland to see how nasa collects this crucial information. >> reporter: the arctic sea ice has been changing dramatically in the last several decades. looking at the data in a scientific sense, i've seen changes in the thickness, in the exstent of the ice. and all that's pointing to thinning ice, shrinking ice cover. >> and that leads to climate change? >> yes. >> reporter: this year, during the coldest part of the year, the ark ticker experienced its
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warmest temperatures ever recorded and the second lowest sea levels. greenland is ground zero for these radical changes. and that is why nasa's operation ice bridge is up here. its mission is to map earth's polar ice and understand its connection to the global climate. cruising altitude on operation ice bridge is 1,500 feet. perfect for an extraordinary view of our climate's changing in realtime. >> on average, we now know that the greenland ice sheet is losing nearly 300 gig tons of ice per year. and that works out to thousands of tons of ice being lost from this ice sheet per second. >> wait a minute, you just said thousands of tons of ice are lost per second. >> exactly. that works out to a new subdivision worth of homes of ice being lost every second. >> reporter: joe mcgregor is the mission's deputy project scientist. to collect this data and compare it to previous years, he and the other sciences rely on radar,
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lasers, and a camera that shoots thousands of photos in flight. what do we have got here? >> we have multiple instruments onboard, all with the goal of measuring what is going on with the ice underneath us, how it's changing, what its properties are. >> reporter: our destination for the day was peterman dplasglaci set in a canyon 15 1/2 miles wide, its walls taller than our plane, which made for a pretty bumpy flight. >> this glacier is one of the glaciers left in greenland that still has an ice shelf at the end of it, in other words, floating ice that is attached to the original glacier. >> hang tight! >> hold on, guys. >> and that glacier is changing significantly. it's capped some really large icebergs these last few years. >> reporter: it's not just here. the country's massive sheet of ice is melting faster than at any time on record, losing on average nearly 300 billion tons of ice per year. if that rate keeps up, it will mean a 3-inch increase in sea levels by the end of the century. how does what's going on out here affect us at home? >> when more mass is lost from
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the ice sheet in a year than is gained via snowfall, the ice sheet is losing mass overall, that goes into the oceans and sea levels rise as a result. >> so that's what we see in miami, the gulf coast, new york city. i mean, that's directly connected to here. >> exactly. so even though many of us may not get to see these areas in person, their future affects our future, because so many of us live along the coast. >> reporter: nathan kurtz is the lead scientist of nasa's operation ice bridge. his team's mission will last for six weeks. >> in order to look at long-term changes, we need a long-term record that goes year-to-year. we need to put all of the pieces together to really find out what's causing changes. >> reporter: the data and images collected over the course of the spring will be taken back to nasa to be analyzed. and its findings made public later this year. when you hear politicians back in washington, d.c. say, you know, the science is inconclusive about climate change, you're actually creating the science in realtime.
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what do you think? >> i think that the data that we are collecting is valuable, it's real, it's showing changes that are happening and regardless of what some people might believe, the facts are the facts. they speak for themselves. >> reporter: climate change is real. >> climate change is real. >> jacob soboroff is back in l.a., joins me now. jacob, trump's nominee was just confirmed to lead nasa, a really narrow vote, what could he do to the agency's climate change programs like operation ice bridge? >> he could, quite frankly, just slash the budget, but not if any of these folks i met have anything to do with it. these are some of the most passionate, dedicated scientists i've ever met in my life. they dedicate a huge portion of their lives, some of them, the last nine years, to go to some of the most remote places on earth to ensure that all of us have a sustainable future on this planet. so when things happen like the trump administration proposing a complete cut to five nasa earth science programs like they did in their budget proposal earlier
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this year, congress, of course, restored those. you know, this is just another adding insult to injury, to have a nasa administrator who is a politician, candidly, and not a scientist. it could be catastrophic. but nfor now, congress has restored these budgets and operation ice bridge will proceed as planned. >> all right. msnbc's jacob soboroff, great reporting. thanks for joining me. >> thanks, chris. still ahead, one of the president's other best people, his new lawyer, rudy giuliani, and the fbi investigation into whether he was getting leaked information during the election. that's next.
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did rudy giuliani and therefore the trump campaign have advance notice from inside the fbi that this announcement from you was coming? >> not that i know of. but i saw that same publicity. so i commissioned an investigation to see if we could understand whether people were disclosing information out of the new york office or any other place that resulted in rudy's
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report on fox news and other leaks that we were seeing in the media. i don't know what the result was. i got fired before it got finished. >> last night in this building, james comey confirmed he looked into leaks from the fbi during the election because rudy giuliani kept dropping massive hints. >> we got 14 days. does donald trump plan anything except for a series of inspiring rallies? >> yes. >> what? >> you will see. >> he has a surprise or two that you are going to hear about in the next few days. i'm talking about some pretty big surprise. >> i heard you say that this morning. what do you mean? >> you will see. >> that's weird. your reaction to the fact that comey apparently initiated an investigation into that stuff. >> i guess my question is, he was there six months after the
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election. i'm not sure what would take so long for the -- eastern theithe or department of justice to look into the matter. i guess the question is now, what is its status? who is conducting it? is the fbi office looking at itself? there's another data point beyond rudy looking like a peacock. laura trump was on fox on october 24th. she said they had a trick up their sleeve. i can imagine rudy walking around saying, i've got a secret, i've got a secret. shouldn't be too hard to figure out for an administration that calls for everyone who has leaked to go to jail, they seem to be rather not caring about this one. >> there's some evidence to support the idea that there were folks that were sort of opposed to hillary clinton in the new york field office who were leaking to rudy giuliani. they ran a story in which there's a quote saying the fbi is anti-clinton.
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wayne barrett had a story saying that -- talking about the ex-fbi trump fan. there was stuff to make you think there's a pipeline. >> trump thinks the job of his lawyer is to become the subject of the investigation, to take the heat off of him. to actually take the bullet. you interviewed very well tom perez earlier today. he was talking about the rico lawsuit. it's important to remember the first application of the rico lawsuit in a federal case was by rudy giuliani in 1985. i bring that up to point out that rudy giuliani has not been a good lawyer since the '80s. it would be -- trump calling him in would be like the mets calling keith hernandez down from the booth. he is one of the only lawyers left that will take trump's
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call. one of the reasons why he is here is -- not because of the mueller investigation but because of the southern district of new york investigation into michael cohen. it's worth remembering that the current head of the sdny wis buddies -- a former law partner of rudy giuliani. >> right. >> that's -- >> you think it's about that relationship? >> even though he recused himself from that. it's about the relationship giuliani has with them. the thing trump is concerned about is what michael cohen is going to say. >> do you agree? >> absolutely. rudy's claim to fame is his america's mayor, being there for eight years. he clearly thinks he has the place wired. by all indications, he does. this, i think, is an important point that this isn't just a matter of setting the record straight. rudy giuliani is now becoming the president's lawyer.
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why he's not going on the white house staff -- he will require security clearance to look at the material relative to defending his client. if there's an ongoing investigation into his background, into his leaks, that's extremely relevant. at the very least, the department of justice or the fbi should confirm to us that there's an ongoing investigation or it has been closed. otherwise, it's just yet another person walking around the white house without a clearance. >> i hope he gets the job, actually. i think people need to remember -- he is not a very good lawyer anymore. let's remember, rudy giuliani is the principal author of the first muslim ban, the first travel ban. a document so legally farcical that it got thrown out. if this is the legal work trump wants to bring in, go for it. >> i have to get your reaction about the comey memos. the justice department ig is
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probing the comey memos because there are people who say some of the information contained in two of them were classified. i could not help but notice, this is precisely what happened to hillary clinton and what initiated the chain of events we're all familiar with. >> yeah. i can name at least one other person that couldn't help but notice that, too. this is their playbook. they have this -- >> who is they? >> should be president of the united states right now. there's a hypocrisy and an irony to it that they are going after these documents, going after comey on the basis of being classified. comey didn't release these documents. the department of justice did. presumably they scrubbed them beforehand. they're running the same play they ran with nunes, which is alluding to something that just by the sheer fact of not being able to have, therefore is nefarious. like the nunes memo, it
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backfired. the content confirmed and told us what we had thought about the whole thing is right, the comey memos -- again, they reinforce everything we believe. it's clear that if you are going to obstruct justice, don't do it with the fbi director. these guys are lawyers. they take notes. they write everything down. >> final question here. there's this idea that giuliani is being brought in to negotiate an end to the probe. i don't know what to make of that. >> i legend of rudy giuliani has outstripped the ability of rudy giuliani. it's not surprising that he comes in, i'm going to end this in two weeks. we're going to make a deal. he is transactional in the same way trump is. that's one of the reasons why they are friends. i don't think giuliani will have anything -- he is not going to have any power with the mueller investigation. robert mueller is not scared of rudy giuliani. i really do think this is more on cohen and how that whole ball
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of wax is going to go down. >> remember the baggage that comes with rudy giuliani. he is a peacock. what is clear from president trump's behavior is that he doesn't like anyone getting the limelight. maybe they told rudy you do this slice of the pie. i'm not sure rudy giuliani will get that message. >> he will be on tv a lot. thanks for joining me. have a great weekend. >> you too. >> thanks for joining us. happy friday. it's a friday. that means there's lots going on. in missouri tonight, the sitting republican governor of the great state of missouri, he has just been hit with new felony charges. the first felony charges against governor came a couple months ago in conjunction with allegations about an extramarital affair. then came an


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