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years. the stormy daniels saga, itis it forcing his long-time lawyer to flip on him? and a long-time trump supporter. what will happen at the next election, next. we have someone downplaying concerns that his personal lawyer michael cohen will cooperate with the special counsel. here's kellyanne conway, counsel to the president, just a few hours ago. z >> the president has expressed concern that someone he likes and has worked with for many, many years was subject to an fbi raid that he calls a disgrace and believed is overwrought at the time. he has great compassion for a situation like that. the president is not loyal to anybody. that is just not false. and you see that in his pastor
tours and his words about michael cohen. >> congress, of course, referring to these words which the president also used to attack the "new york times" reporter which published cohen's chances of flipping. and a new report tracing cohen's apparent downfall in the trump world. msnbc white house correspondent jeff bennett and usa today white house correspondent gregory corday. i'm going to west palm beach, florida where the president is staying. happy sunday to you, my friend. what are you hearing about the reports that the president's attorney might flip in order to avoid jail time? >> reporter: hey, good morning, alex. it's interesting. white house officials to this point had been working to try to put some distance in between president trump and michael cohen. sarah sanders, the white house press secretary when asked previously, wouldn't even confirm whether or not cohen
still represents the president. and the reason for that is this. cohen, as we know, is under criminal investigation. that investigation is being carried out by prosecutors at the southern district of new york. the white house has very little transparency into that investigation and even less control over it. now, this question over whether or not cohen might flip on the president is the thing that we think set president trump off yesterday. he fired off more than a dozen tweets yesterday, many of them, alex, filled with insults. the president unloaded in a barrage of tweets saturday. mr. trump again took aim at james comey, ripping the former fired fbi director as a proven liar and leaker. slammed the democratic national committee for its lawsuit accusing the trump campaign of conspiring with russia. denied claims made by the "washington post" that he once referred to attorney general jeff sessions as mr. magoo, and his deputy, rod rosenstein, as mr. peepers.
he floated a posthumous pardon for legendary boxer comparing him to siylvester stallone. it's mr. trump's twitter tirade targeting the "new york times" that's getting the most attention. after a paper ran a story suggesting the president's long-time personal attorney, michael cohen, might be willing to cooperate with federal investigators. the "new york times" and a third-rate reporter are going out of their way to destroy michael cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will flip. >> statistically, a lot of people flip when they're confronted with the possibility of a federal sentence of many, many years. >> reporter: the fbi raided cohen's office and residences earlier this month, looking for evidence of crimes. partly in connection with payments cohen made to two women, each claiming affairs
with mr. trump. the president dismisses the allegations and cohen denies any wrongdoing. >> in an effort to save himself and his family and a lot of heartache, he's going to turn on the president. >> reporter: now, the president is wrapping up his week-long stay in south florida today. he heads back to the white house later this afternoon. and to give you a sense of the week ahead, alex, the white house is preparing to host french president emanuel macron and his wife brigitte at the state house this week. all of it will be capped off by a state dinner on tuesday, and state dinners, as you well know, tend to be and have been bipartisan affairs, but in a break with the tradition this year, they tell us no democrats are on the list. alex? >> hmm. thank you. we'll see you again.
good morning to you both. vivian, i'll start with you here first. is all of this bluster from avenatti that we heard about? what would cohen have that would be most damaging to the president? >> it's anyone's guess at this point, alex, but really it's a question of, you know, the secrecy behind that attorney-client privilege that has so angered and frustrated the president. we're talking about a president who has based most of his communications, at least in his past life and during his campaign as a businessman. he used nondisclosure agreements in most of his dealings, so suddenly you have these private and confidential communications that are vulnerable to the justice system. and so that is something that's been very unsettling for the president. again, it's anyone's guess what they could be. just a lot of speculation about the fact that even his tax returns or some of his financial
dealings could be disclosed as a result of this investigation. you know, the spectrum is really large. but obviously, whatever it is, the president has grown more and more unsettled by it. in the midst of all of this, you had james comey coming out with his book this week and talking about their communication with each other, again, something he also believes is private and he's accusing james comey of leaking those conversations, and now you have the issue of the president coming to light, and that is really, really troubling for him. >> in this twitter tirade yesterday, gregory, the president also went after the "new york times" for the michael cohen story, suggesting he might flip. the president says that would never happen, but here's the big question. doesn't that imply that cohen has something upon which to flip? isn't that a problem? >> what the president said in his tweets is people under pressure of prosecution will often lie or tell the government what the government wants to
hear in these situations, and so that's what the president says he's concerned with. but look, we know that the president tweets when he feels like he's unfairly maligned or under attack. clearly this raid of his lawyer's office and home for records related to his representation of mr. trump has gotten the president's attention. he's tweeting about it frequently. he's pushing back. and so, absolutely, this is something the president is concerned about. >> there was, again, the president doing a lot of blasting on twitter, particularly on the media this weekend, vivian, including the "washington post," and then the "new york times" reporter maggie haberman, lots of back and forth there between them. one interesting nugget is haberman claimed the president is afraid of former adviser roger stone. why do you think the president would be afraid of roger stone? >> it's just that they go really far back. roger stone was a confidante to the president. he's someone that has really guided him through much of his
career leading up to the white house. so it's just a question of what he knows about the president, how much he knows, and anyone who is that close to the president, obviously, when they start talking to the press, it's something, again, very troubling to the president. that one in particular really got under his skin. this is a president who takes the value of loyalty to another level and it's something we're hearing a lot about, again, with the james comey book coming out. it's something that he almost insists upon. so when you have these advisers going out and starting to speak to different people, it's something he really is troubled by. >> michael avenatti and stormy daniels, clearly they're not going away. she has a much higher profile now. is it simply about having that higher profile for her, or is this genuinely about wanting justice in her eyes? is there any way to gauge that? because a lot of people thought after she spilled all on the "60 minutes" interview that she
would sort of just fade. >> this has gone beyond a simple sex scandal. if all it were were a sex scandal, it frankly wouldn't be much of a story. president trump has lived most of his adult life in the glare of the new york tabloid media. we've seen him in and out of his marriages. we've seen how he talks about women. we had the "access hollywood" tape just a few days before the election, 2016. none of those derailed his presidency. what this is about now is these nondisclosure agreements which used some hardball tactics to silence people who had allegations to make against the president in 2016, and what stormy daniels has done, and her attorney has done in a pretty savvy way is to pierce into the president's relationship with his fixer, michael cohen, and that ultimately led, at least in some small way, must have contributed to the raid on cohen's offices, and now who
knows where this goes from here, but stormy daniels has gotten this investigation into president trump into places that robert mueller had not gone before. >> i want to quickly go back to the president's latest feud with james comey over the memos. how much do you think the memos and what they revealed mattered as a political story? >> as a political story, probably in the grand context of everything else that's going on, it's probably not too damaging at this point. obviously there were some concerns that there might be a possible obstruction of justice issue with regard to the president's comments and michael flynn, you know, in the pursuit of michael flynn. so, you know, that was obviously a concern. that's something that obviously this special counsel's office will be looking at very closely. but in terms of the impact on the president itself politically, outside of washington, there is not a lot of appetite for the russia investigation ask fnd for a lot
this stuff that's come out in james comey's book. at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on the tax cuts and how the economy is doing and the basic policy issues that most people in america that concerns them and concerns their wallet, mostly, so i think politically we won't see too much impact or blowback from it. >> all right, guys. unfortunately, i'm out of time right now. thank you both. so what do former clinton campaign staffers think of the revelations in james comey's book? the answer may surprise you, and it's next. this is emily's third nomination and first win. um...so, just...wow! um, first of all, to my fellow nominees, it is an honor sharing the road with you. and of course, to the progressive snapshot app for giving good drivers the discounts -- no, i have to say it -- for giving good drivers the discounts they deserve. safe driving!
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we have breaking news from nashville, tennessee. police are looking for a man who shot and killed four people and then wounded several others at a waffle house. authorities say the suspect was wearing only a coat and carrying an ar-15 rifle when he arrived on the scene. police said he killed two people outside the restaurant before going inside, in there killing two others. a customer wrestled that rifle away from the suspect before he ran off completely naked. police have released this photo of the person of interest, a 29-year-old whose pickup truck is registered in the state of illinois but reportedly lives in the nashville area. police say again that he was last seen lately wearing a pair of black pants but no shirt. so we'll keep you updated on that tragedy there. meantime, the president has been on a tweet storm all weekend, ramping up tweets against james comey, mostly over
the memos. in a tweet trump said comey broke the law, and then asked where are the memos on clinton, lynch and others? good morning. good to be with you. >> good to be with you. >> the president's recent comments, do they feel different to you than how he's handled his ongoing feud with comey in the past? >> the height of emotion -- i don't like to use the word hysteria, it may be a little tense, but quite frankly, i think people are used to them. i'm not sure they're making such an impact, especially when you get out of the media worlds of new york and washington, d.c. i think the people that are loyal to trump are still very loyal to trump and are with him and the people. even some who may not have voted last time are angry at him and the rest of the people want to go on with their everyday lives and are worried about the things
that impact him every day. >> i want to go to what was said in an op-ed. she said, i do believe that if it were not for comey's letter, clinton would have won. i am not saying jim comey bears sole responsibility for the clinton campaign's loss. there were many factors that led to that outcome and his action was just the final one. do you think there were other factors? >> it's hard to say. there were a lot of factors. i told you michigan was at play. i said donald trump could win the election when no one else would listen to me, and i knew that because i was listening to people. i was in union halls, i was in farmers markets, and i knew what people cared about. democrats stopped talking about what they cared about, which was how to have a secure job. they were tired of trade deals that were shipping their jobs overseas. donald trump came in to this state and talked about trade deals. yet two weeks ago he says, let's
reopen tpp. what's changed, mr. president? but he connected. he understood the fear and anxiety that was in many voters' hearts and souls in this state and connected with them. he hasn't delivered on them yet in some ways, but -- and pensions was another issue that he talked about, and that's one of the things we have to make sure of, that in all this discussion of -- and we need to worry about russia interfering with our fundamental democracy. we don't forget to talk to people about what impacts them every single day the most. >> it's true. on a scale of 1 to 10, and let's make 10 the worst here, what do you think damaged clinton more? was it mark zuckerberg and the russian facebook ads, or was it comey's actions? >> i think it was everything. i don't even think you can -- what i just talked about was as big a part of the problem as anything else, just the messaging, who you were meeting with.
how do you go in and quantify that? i do think we need to worry about the fact that russia was trying to influence this election, but i'll tell you what, one of the commentators before said that in middle america, people don't care. they don't. they do care about the special counsel. if he were to be stupid enough to fire the special counsel, 70% of americans support that investigation. but they really care about everyday issues. the really basic economic issues. and that's what we've got to talk about. >> look, republican senator tom tillis spearheading legislation to protect mueller and any future special counsels. does that affect how you think the president may act if he ends an investigation in some way with a firing? >> we have relationships on both sides, the house and senate, which are going to be bipartisan. i think the american people are tired of this partisan bickering. we are more divided than we've ever been, but if we were to do
something that traumatic that would tear this country apart, we must do it on a bipartisan basis. we cannot be partisan on this. i've talked to many republicans who have been very open and shared their concern about the firing of the special counsel. i do believe in the end that my colleagues care about this country and the importance of us working together to protect this democracy. >> but doesn't it start at the top? you may have heard my colleague jeff been fet reporting from the white house saying the president is holding his first state dinner with french president emanuel macron, and he's only inviting republican congressional leaders. >> it's very disappointing. it's not sending out the right message. he says he wants to work with everybody, and in one of the most social settings in washington, rk, he's not. i'm very disappointed, and sometimes he has a message he can play, and that makes it disappointing that he's playing into this partisan divide.
>> there is a book called "chasing hillary: 10 years, two presidential campaigns and one latest glass ceiling." amy says how there were people who were against her. how do you feel about that? >> there were times people didn't list ton when to what i talking about. but i don't -- i don't know at times if it was as much sexist as it was they knew what they were doing and the rest of us didn't know what we were doing, and they were going to go by -- i'm an old-fashioned person. i listen to people. god gave us two ears and a mouth for a reason. and all those numbers and all that quantification, it doesn't come up with really
understanding what's in people's hearts and souls. sometimes some of the men in that campaign, i think, didn't understand how working men and women in this country felt. >> look, a couple times in this interview you have talked about wanting to focus on the issues and that's what needs to rise above the noise. what do you think are the issues that democrats have to focus on to win in the midterms this year, and will those issues rise above the noise? >> well, i can tell you they sure are where i live. yesterday -- i think people know that i have breakfast regularly with this group of tea partiers. they were in fine fighting form yesterday. but i go to the grocery store and we have teamsters whose pensions are threatened. men and women who work a lifetime thinking they would have a safe and secure retirement suddenly don't know what they're going to live on. that's going to be one issue. young people are graduating and the job market is tougher than
it's ever been. they're having a hard time finding a job, and their home ownership is down. each generation is having challenges that is really impacting their quality of life. i keep saying to everybody, people all want the same thing. they want -- most people. the people i know that live throughout this country want to make enough money to live, to be able to buy a house, live in a safe neighborhood, educate their kids, put food on the table, afford to go to the doctor when they need to. if they need to take medicine, be able to take that medicine and to have a safe and secure retirement. that's not asking for a lot, but that's -- and that is everybody. that is whites and blacks and asians and muslims -- everybody just wants to be able to take care of their families and help make each generation do better. that's what we've got to remember. it's a quality of life. it's contributing to community. and being part of a community that cares about each other. >> amen to that. michigan democratic
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stormy, why did you feel like you couldn't go to the police originally when you were threatened? >> it's expressly what he told me not to do. i went home and regrouped -- i was going to because i always feel like you should stand up for yourself and report it. but the problem with that in this particular instance, i would have gone to the police and they would have goni would man approached me, and they would have told me, leave mr. trump alone, and the very next question they would have asked me would be, why did they tell you to leave mr. trump alone? >> stormy daniels explaining why she didn't go to the police back in 2011. senior writer for the "washington post," france sellers, who has been following this stormy story and invited to do so once again as we discuss this. what can you tell us, francis, about the sketch and what was
attempted to reveal it? >> michael avenatti had been tweeting pictures of stormy with a forensic artist offering us the possibility that we would land something about the man who allegedly threatened her in 2011. the release of that sketch was delayed by the raid on michael cohen's office, according to avenatti, and then she went on "the view" in this very articulate interview she gave and presented the sketch, creating again a flurry of speculation. i don't think we learned that much more. michael avenatti put out an e-mail address, i think it was idthethug.com about who this sketch might be. i think this is the second time she's talked on air about the alleged threat, the first being on "60 minutes." this time she said she was rattled by it and went to the mommy and me exercise class, and then denied immediately that
anything had happened apart from her daughter needing attention with her diaper. but she said she lied to the instructor and didn't say what had happened then, and that she also hadn't told her husband. i think those are very interesting issues we may learn more about, but at the moment we don't know much more about this sketch, right? we've had nfl players being likened to it. i have an actor who tweeted about it saying, i look just like this guy, and we're waiting to learn more. it creates another level of suspense which is what this case has been about. >> stormy performed ate nightclub called "fantasie"fantd i think you were in attendance. how different is that from her other appearances? >> she started on the steps of the federal courthouse in manhattan talking about the hearing in michael cohen's case, which was about attorney-client privilege. maybe a publicity stunt,
maybe -- we do know her case has been related to the raid on michael cohen. then we see her publicly appearing in "the view," again, composed and talking to a national and international audience. by thursday evening, i went down to fantasies, which is in south baltimore close to the docks, sort of an area of warehouses and storage facilities and refineries, to a small strip club. it was my first time in a strip club. she was expected to arrive at 9:30. she was hustled in by bodyguards to a room -- it was hard to count, but may have had 200 people in there. i'm not sure it was that many. hustled in by bodyguards and it appeared her song wasn't ready for her, and she went dressed in black preparing. that went back to a very amateur part of stormy daniels' life. she then went backstage dressed as little red riding hood and did her pole dancing appearance
for the audience. two very different stormy daniels, right? but the consistency is, i think, is somebody who knows how to perform and whether on national television or to an audience in a club knows how to engage directly with the people sitting in front of her. >> it's an extraordinary tale you're telling and keep writing about it as i know you will. we'll talk to you again, francis seller. thank you very much. >> thank you. is an indictment in the works for michael cohen? and in pride month, we're looking for nominations on the pride list. do you ever any suggestion? send your nominations to email@example.com.
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welcome back, everybody. i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters in new york. at 37 minutes past the hour, alan dershowitz on why the president should be worried about the michael cohen investigation and what could ease the president's mind. >> it's a very serious threat. this is an epic battle for the soul and cooperation of michael cohen, and prosecutors have enormous weapons at their disposal. they can threaten him essentially with life imprisonment. they can threaten his parents, they can threaten his spouse. they have these enormous abilities to really put pressure and coerce a witness. on the other hand, the president has a unique weapon that no other criminal defendant or suspect ever has. he has the pardon power.
>> joining me now, msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney barbara quaid and former professor at university of washington. your reaction. does it sound like a potential constitutional crisis? >> i don't know that we're at a constitutional crisis at moment, but we are seeing this confluence of things coming together, a potential showdown between a criminal prosecution and the ability of the president to pardon, and of course his pardon power is absolute when it comes to federal crimes. but when it's being used to cover up perhaps his own misconductor t or the misconduc others, that does suggest the abuse of power that could be considered obstruction of justice. i would say constitutional crisis would be one branch of government steadfast against another. i don't think we're there yet, but we could be on this path.
>> does the president have the ultimate power of pardon or is that a pretty dangerous move given his conflict of interest in this matter? is there a check to his authority anywhere? >> there certainly is a big check, right? the pardon power is obviously constitutional, but so is the ability to impeach the president. so if the president pardons michael cohen or anybody else in the association, congress could bring him to testify. they no longer have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination and they can start the impeachment process. it probably wouldn't be a smart move for the president for altogether reasons you and barbara have laid out, but if he does that, there is always a political check in the constitution. >> do you think rod rosenstein could be compromising the department of justice in his attempts to reassure the president that he is not under investigation? how do you feel about that, barbara? >> well, i think he's in a tricky position. i think we saw this week where he ultimately released the comey memos to congress, clearly under
pressure, clearly some concern that he might be fired. and some might point to that as sort of naked self-preservation, but i think self-preservation here is really out of a sense of duty as opposed to a sense of self. i'm sure when he walks in the door every day he thinks about resigning and working somewhere else. i don't know that, but it would be self-preservation. if he were to leave, that means someone else would come in and oversee the russia investigation. i think it's very important that he keep that job, so i think he is in a balancing of what he does to ensure he keeps being in that role, but i do think giving up the comey memos to congress did impart the justice department a little bit. >> your thoughts on this, jamelle? >> congress has a right to investigate in matter just as they are doing today, so they have the right to get a fullscope of information, and releasing that information was
right at the end of the day. he's been a career prosecutor for a long time, and he's going to figure this out. at the end of the day, if the president fires rod rosenstein, that would be a pretty big mistake for the president. jeff sessions might need to resign as a result of that, and then you'll have pressure with bob mueller and the whole investigation. the last time someone fired jim comey, we got the mueller investigation. it would not be smart to go around firing anyone at all. >> the release of the memos, was that made easier with the release of the book, which was drawn on those memos? >> james comey wrote those memos to document his feelings about what was going on, but then by releasing them to the press ahead of time as a private individual, there were concerns there. then he writes the book, talks about them publicly, and in some cases you have to think jim comey wanted these out publicly so he could get his story out. there's nothing wrong with that.
potentially problematic, the question whether he was a whistle blower or if he did something inappropriate by releasing these ahead of their time. that's a problem, too. >> the fbi signed a statement affirming that all information acquired by me in connection with my official duties with the fbi and all official material to which i have access remain the property of the united states of america. if this is the case, does james comey have reason to be worried? >> i think he likely is in breach of that agreement, and the remedy of that is whatever the contract provides. it could result in termination, but he already has that, so he couldn't lose that. sometimes it's forfeiture of the book, so that could happen. i don't believe he could be prosecuted because he had to knowingly and willingly give up classified information. this was classified after the
fact, so i don't think he has criminal prosecution, but my guess is he took a calculated risk in deciding that -- he has said the reason he released them was because he wanted to raise this issue in the public so that there was enough information out there to consider appointing a special counsel. there may have been some motivation of self-preservation, of getting my story out there, but i also think that he wanted to, as he has said, put this information in the public square so that a decision could be made, a knowing decision based on information, to appoint a special counsel. >> can i ask you quickly before i ask you something, jamil. barbara, was he not entitled to write personal notes to himself? was that not a problem to begin with? >> he is, but these were memos by e-mail to his staff, sort of memos to file to memorialize what happened during his official meetings with the president, so i think that comes under the scope of the contract he signed, that these were things he learned in thhis
capacity as director of the fbi. ordinarily you have to do what's called a pre-clearance of review, like he did with his book, to make sure there is nothing compromising in the investigation, and he didn't do that with the e-mails, i don't think. >> isn't this one of the problems, it's become so politicize and had there needs to be in-party sessions, right, but is that impossible in this environment? >> the documents were created in the official business. he didn't have the right to take them out of the building and introduce them to the public. that's a decision he made, it's fine for him to make that decision, but not within the sort of agreement he made with the government when he did that. you're right, it's become politicized, but it's in part politicized because he released a book. jim comey wanted to create this snare kbro -- scenario with the
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rudy giuliani is, i think, has some bluster in saying he can close down this investigation in two weeks. i don't think anybody really believes that's a possibility. but these kinds of crimes, these kinds of intent crimes, these white collar crimes that you have to prove intent are hard to do, and they will try to use every level that they can to get the investigation against their client, in this case the president, closed down. >> former federal prosecutor leland brennan on rudy giuliani's claim that he thinks he can bring the investigation to president trump to an end in a week or two. let's talk to former congressman steve israel, once chair of the congressional campaign committee and author of the new novel "big guns" and the founder of bold. big welcome to all three of you. steve, i'll reach out to you
first because you're new to this panel, so here we go. giuliani was mayor of new york when comey was serving as fbi director. how do you think he can leverage this relationship now? >> it remains to be seen if he can leverage the reelationship, but it is a fact that rudy giuliani has a relationship with mueller. they had a relationship with rudy giuliani was mayor of new york city, and it seems as if ma mayor giuliani's role will be trying to establish the ground rules, those in which the president of the united states will be interviewed by mr. mueller or his associates. i will say one thing about mayor giuliani. he has been craving a job in the white house since the inauguration of president bush. he wanted to be secretary of state. he's got some rather complex business relationships that i think made him an impossibility
to become secretary of state. he's represented or provided support and assistance to somebody who was charged with violating the iran sanctions agreement, other fairly nefarious characters. but he will thrive in this. he brings star power and legal power to the trump administration. >> okay. but carrie, no one really believes he can bring an end to the probe in the next two weeks. do you think giuliani has a strategy that he will put into play at that point? >> there's nothing wrong with trying to set goals and targets, and i agree that he's an impeccable choice. he took down the mafia, helped with big cases. he's america's mayor. this is a man dedicated to public service. and we heard from rosenstein that the president is not a
target in either the cohen probe or the mueller probe as well, and jim comey had said the same thing as well. three times he told the senate judiciary committee that he told the president you are not under investigation. >> if he brings those kind of kr creds that you're lauding there, why did he not join the administration? >> he ran for office in 2012 and -- >> but there was speculation he really wanted the ag job, and in fact it went to jeff sessions, right? but no one ever knows the terra firma that is in the president's eyes. is there a possibility that he may make a pitch for that job at some point? >> i don't think there's ever been any doubt that he already had an in with president trump. they're both from new york, they've known each other for a long time, so i don't think there is any question around any of that.
i think sometimes job interviews come down to timing. i think that, you know, in terms of just looking at this whole investigation and -- i think rudy giuliani is the man, again, america's mayor who could put this to rest so we can focus on substance. we just heard that the north koreans are willing to have denuclearization without pre-conditions and they're willing to move in with u.s. troops. i'm glad you let me talk about the issues around this, but it's just -- >> steve, i know that you were shaking your head. you want to comment there? >> yeah. look, this narrative is set by a president who wakes up every morning tweeting about himself instead of the american people. this narrative is not being prolonged by anybody but a president of the united states who is preoccupied by his legal problems, preoccupied by his conduct, and if he would start tweeting about things like the opioid crisis or maybe waking up and getting his presidential daily brief on what's happening
in north korea instead of constantly tweeting about porn stars and rudy giuliani and investigations, we would all be better off. >> i have to bring in adrian here, though, because regarding tweets, look what the president did yesterday. he sent that series of tweets blasting the "new york times" article headline that said michael cohen said he would take a bullet for mr. trump, maybe not anymore. they are trying to destroy michael cohen on the chance he will flip on him. they also used, quote, nonexistent sources and a drunk loser who hates michael. how did you interpret all that? >> maggie haberman, the "new york times" who just won a pulitzer prize, let's keep that in perspective. donald trump always goes after reporters who he desperately a seeking approval from. we all know he talks to maggie all the time. she's one of the most well-sourced reporters covering the trump administration. i think he was clearly not happy with the article.
he was clearly not happy with the way perhaps michael cohen and several other people were interpreting the article, and this is what he does. whenever he is not happy with the way, especially the "new york times," covers his administration, he lashes out on social media quite often. >> maggie haberman suggested in tweets back and forth that the president is afraid of roger stone. why would that be? >> because roger stone has been in the business of what we call black operations in politics for as long as he's been around. this is a guy who, after barbara bush passed away, vilified her, you know. called her really unseemly names. so a guy who is willing to do that should impose fear in almost everybody. he knows where the bodies are buried. he has been working on dirty ads, dirty opposition research with donald trump for a long time, and he knows one thing about donald trump. nobody is safe from being fired by donald trump, nobody, and he
has information and evidence that he can and will use against donald trump if he needs to. >> last word to you, carrie, on roger story and why donald trump might have something to be afraid of with him. >> i think that's all pure speculation, and the fact that the prime minister of japan was visiting the united states to talk about substantive foreign policy and that's been drowned out by the sea of speculation, rumors, innuendo, it's a sad state of american media, it's a sad commentary on the fact that the american people have had to deal with this, have had to put up with the national media, not worrying about what really matters. >> adrian, it was only one question to you but it was really powerful answering. that's all i have to say. >> thank you, alex. >> thank you to all three of you. good to see you. coming up on am joy, what's being done to protect your vote in the midterms? we're going to ask that question.
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i want to be someone who helps others ... and teaches them new things. every year, comcast employees and their families come together on comcast cares day to give back. it's a celebration of their year-long commitment to their communities. what do i want to be? i want to be someone who cares. that is it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'll see you at noon eastern. but right now it's time for a.m. joy with my friend joy reed. >> they've been saying, i'm going to get rid of them for the last three months, four months, five months. and they are still here. so we want to get the investigation over with, done with, put it behind us. >> good morning and welcome to