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americans don't register as things are bad in south american countries, that affects immigration to the united states. one of the biggest interests would be for things to be stable and good, especially for the poorest in the countries. that's the problem for nicara a nicaragua. >> there was a mischaracterization of the caravans, why people were participating. many were fleeing the gravest situations in their countries. >> have a safe flight back. see you later. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. it is monday, april 23rd. let's get started. the frantic search intensifying this morning for a gunman who killed four people. it happened inside a nashville area waffle house restaurant. >> new details that show police were well aware of this suspect and they had repeatedly warned his family to keep guns away from this man. >> there is a female at the location saying there is a male, white, who has no clothing on,
that's shooting at the location. >> all six people shot, four killed, including 20-year-old joe perez and 23-year-old akeilh dasilva. >> i could only think of my brother when i was hiding. >> james shaw, jr. confronted the gunman and took his rifle. >> i thought, he's going to get us either way, or get me either way, so i was looking for an opportunity, waiting for a chance. when i saw the barrel down, i just saw my opportunity. i attacked. >> no doubt, he saved many lives by wrestling the gun away. this is the president's huge foreign policy week. just a few hours from now, he will welcome french president emanual macromacron. later this week, he'll host angela merkel. >> they'll discuss everything from syria to trade wars, with macron expected to press president trump not to pull out of the iran nuclear deal. >> new developments surrounding
north korea and august jsuggest leader there is taking the american president for a ride. >> wow, we haven't given up anything, and they have agreed to denuclearization. so great for world. north korea hasn't agreed to denuclearize. >> we're not going to stop pressure until they denuclearize. >> he views having deliverable nuclear weapons as his ticket to dying as an old man in his bed. desperate manhunt intensifies for travis reinking, who remains at large and possibly armed. he is the alleged gunman who opened fire at a waffle house restaurant in knoxville, tennessee. >> killing taurean sanderlin, an employee of the restaurant. deebony groves, joe perez and akilah dasilva.
also, wounding wagner and harrison. >> the shooting fled the scene after this hero, james shaw, jr., heroically wrestled the assault rifle, the ar-15, out of this man's hands. he appeared on the "today" show this morning to share his extraordinary story. >> i held the gun down, i think, with my left hand. i think i was maybe punching or hitting or whatever i was doing with my right hand. once he released it, he had it, at one point in time, in one hand, then when he had it in one hand, i just took it from him. with both my hands, i took it and threw it over the countertop. >> can you believe that? this guy could have been hiding in the bathroom. >> heros. >> we should note, mr. shaw has set up a gofundme page to help the families of the victims. local police believe reinking may have been last seen travel in the woods behind his apartment complex. one of his guns remains
unaccounted for. we have to remember, he went to the waffle house only wearing a jacket. it's raining there. >> the national police department confirmed there have been no credible sightings of reinking since the shooting. we're joined now by david briley, the mayor of nashville. mayor briley, what is the latest in the investigation? >> well, as of this morning, the police and federal authorities and state authorities are still out there searching for him. no real updates in terms of where he is or where they think he might be. it's a pretty wooded area out there, close to the apartment complex where he was living. it could take some time to locate him out there in the vicinity. no real updates beyond that. >> this is an awful situation. you know, we say over and over, if you see something, say something. people did time and again. this young man has a history. let's look at gun control in the state of tennessee. there is no permit to purchase rifles, shotguns or handguns.
no registration of rifles, shotguns or handguns. no licensing of owners of rifles, shotguns or handguns. no permits to carry rifles, shotgun shoand even when this young man's weapons were taken away, they were given to his dad who said, i'll make sure they won't get in his hands. you support common sense gun control. what should we take from this? >> first, clearly, this person had a history of some sort of mental illness or mental disease that warranted taking the guns away at some point. that's going to happen. we need to focus on that as a country and make sure we're doing everything to help people with mental illness. but it's especially important to think about this particular weapon. it's a weapon where intense damage can be inflicted. much more damage than with a handgun. i just came from the trauma unit where mr. shaw and i met with the two surviving young women. just to see the pain in their
face, the worry of their families that were there with them is really, you know, something that should move everybody in our country to take a hard look at what we're doing. >> brave move by mr. shaw himself, wrestling the guy down with the ar-15, tossing the ar-15 away. i mean, that is the one bright take away from this. >> right. we've been trying to figure out something to be -- to smile about in this context. mr. shaw is truly it. he's a really humble guy who put his life on the line in a moment. he downplays how important he is. without him and his courage and quick action, a lot more people would have died. >> true. >> he's a fine young man. we're going to do everything we can to help him over the coming days. >> beyond knowing mr. reinking has a history with mental illness, any clues as to a specific motive here?
>> there's no clue at all at this point in time. it seems to be, essentially, random. that's all we know at this point in time. no indication of any motive whatsoever. >> so connection? he didn't know the people in the waffle house? >> no. not clear if he'd ever been there. didn't know the people in the waffle house, as far as we know. it seems like a deeply troubled person. as long as we have all these weapons floating around out there that are so capable of this kind of destruction, i think we can count on people continuing to get these weapons who have a mental illness. that's the tragedy. in my opinion, it threatens the way we live. we've got to do something to change this. >> to that point, you know, everything you just said makes complete sense to us. you tweeted out yesterday, let's be honest about what happened. the citizens of nashville were terrorized by a man with an ar-15. enough is enough. i completely understand and
appreciate that sentiment. given you are in the state of tennessee, the laws there -- >> what can i do? >> -- is there anything you can really do to help your people be safer? do they want to be, given how they vote? >> well, here in davison county, in nashville, we are not quite in line with the rest of the state. we're much more progressive in location than the rest of the state. the people in my city are in favor, i believe, of reasonable regulation of guns. >> can you do that on a city basis? >> we can't do it on a city basis. all i can do is speak out. point out the insanity, frankly, of some of the regulations or lack of regulations our country has. it is not just a tennessee issue. the shooter came from illinois. he had gotten his guns back from his dad there. this is something that really requires the federal government to step up and do some stuff to protect the way of life we have in our country. as long as people are afraid to
show up at a waffle house because they might be shot in the middle of the night, there's a real threat to the way we live in our country. it's time for people in washington to really step up and do something about it. enough is enough. >> or a church last year. or a movie theater. these are people just living their everyday lives. the thing i have to ask you, ali, even for those who are gun enthusiasts, we should want gun enthusiasts to want to feel safe. >> every responsible gun owner in this country should want gun laws that don't make responsible gun owners look bad. that honor the fact that people can have a second amendment and be responsible about it. >> you know what else, ali? mr. reinking, the shooter here, if this man is a -- if he does suffer from mental illness, let's protect him. >> right. mayor, thanks for joining us. we'll stay on top of this with you. mayor briley of nashville. >> thank you. >> for more, we're joined by our colleague, gabe gutierrez, nbc correspondent, who is on the scene. gabe, what's the feeling on the ground there?
i mean, this guy is still on the loose. >> reporter: yeah. hi, stephanie. good morning. police right now are conducting door-to-door search in a nearby neighborhood. as the mayor mentioned, this is an urgent manhunt. had been hampered by the rough weather we've had the last couple hours. thankfully, the rain tapered off a little in the last hour or so. i can also tell you, stephanie, that many schools here in the area are on alert. they are not on lockdown, but they are operating with lockout procedures. meaning any visitors to the school can't get in easily during the school day. this is very much a community on edge. i want to bring in jim cavanaugh, the msnbc law enforcement analyst. good to see you in person. i usually see you through a satellite feed. you've been watching this. tell me a little bit about what is going through the minds of law enforcement right now. they haven't had a credible sighting of the suspected gunman in more than 24 hours. what could it mean? >> he could have dead in the woods. could have killed himself with the pistol he's got. it happens in these things,
especially with this guy who was naked when he was running around doing the murders. that's possible. could be laying low out there, trying to ambush law enforcement officer or citizen. that's a possibility. could have carjacked somebody. the police are attuned to that. are there reports of anybody missing, their vehicle? could be in a home and holding the family hostage or has killed them. that's what they're trying to deal with. >> reporter: there's certainly a lot of law enforcement agents out there. dozens searching through woods. we saw a few of them leave the staging area, as well. i want to ask you about the situation with the guns being taken away in illinois. after his white house arrest, this gunman had these guns taken away from him and they were given to his father, who told investigators he gave the guns back to his son. >> yeah. >> reporter: right now, it is unclear whether it was illegal for him to have the guns in illinois. you heard the mayor describe some of the laws. how unusual is it to have this situation, where guns may have been returned, you know.
his gun carrying card was taken from him in illinois, yet, he managed to get the guns across state lines. >> the law is weak. if you look at these events, here's another one, and this is my personal assessment of over 40 years as a federal agent. the tragedy triangle. there is a mental health issue. there's some troubled person. firearms. contact with the police. the triangle is completed at the white house. we have a troubled person. he's got the ar-15 and other weapons. he has contact with uniform division of the secret service. the triangle is complete. the police can't do anything because the laws are so weak. here's a man who can travel across the country. he's troubled. he claims he is an anti-government sovereign. we cannot take an ar-15 from him. they should have been able to do that. >> reporter: thank you very much, jim cavanaugh. msnbc law enforcement analyst. thank you for joining us. ali and stephanie, the two victims who were in the hospital, were in critical condition, they have been upgraded to stable. back to you. >> that is good news. thank you, gabe gutierrez,
joining us from the scene. this tragic shooting was simply the latest to feature an assault weapon. let's, one again, take a look at precisely what these weapons are and the damage they can do. what exactly is an assault weapon? the definition varies. usually includes semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. it sometimes includes other feature features, such as a flash suppresser, which reduces the flash from when a bullet entexi the gun. the firearm trade association says americans own between 20 and 30 million assault style rifles. the most popular weapon is, in fact, the ar-15. it is owned by more than 10 million americans. what does this cost? they generally start at about $600. what's especially troubling, the damage an ar-15 bullet can
inflict, they travel at such high velocity, three times faster than a handgun bullet, with more than three times the energy. as one doctor wrote following the parkland shooting, ar-15s leave pierced organs looking like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer. leaving exit wounds that can be the size of an orange. please think about that. >> we're going to continue to follow this story and the news on where the gunman is. > president trump is tweeting now that north korea agreed to denuclearize. here's the thing, it happens. up next, where negotiations actually stand, as we're weeks from a potential face-to-face between president trump and kim jong-un. and it is earning season. this week, we're going to be getting numbers from major tech giants. alphabet, the parent company of google. twitter, qualcomm, intel, facebook, microsoft and amazon. the big ones. also, first quarter earnings from ford, gm and fiat chrysler.
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ch committee is set to vote on mike pompeo's nomination as secretary of state tonight. the state department and the white house are preparing for talks with north korean leader kim jong-un. >> in recent days, a hotline has been set up between kim jong-un's office in the north and president moon jae-in's office in the south. though there is no date yet for the first phone call between the leaders. on friday, the north announced it would halt missile tests and close a nuclear testing facility in preparations for the talks. in a goodwill gesture sunday night, south korea stopped blasting k-pop music across the demilitarized zone. mark short summed up the u.s. position on denuclearization on sunday with chuck todd. >> i think there has to be a sit-down conversation to get to that point, but from our perspective, it means full denuclearization. no longer having weapons that can be used in warfare against any of our allies.
>> all right. during the preparations for the planned summit between president trump and kim jong-un, it is important to know how each side defines the end goal of denuclearization. for the united states, it's cvid, based on the concept known as complete, verifiable, irreversible, denuclearization of the north. complete means that pyongyang needs to identify all of its uranium and plutonium enrichment programs. both of these give it a path to nuclear weaponry. plutonium being the more advanced weapons fuel. verifiable means the u.s. -- well, the u.s. understanding is it is always involving outside weapons inspectors. could be the united nations or officials from the iaea, international atomic energy agency. any inspections would require trust that the north korean regime isn't still hiding weapons or production faciliti s facilities. sometimes that includes surprise visits so they can't hide stuff.
irreversible means total dismantlement of the country's nuclear energy program to prevent any future foray into nuclear weapons testing. it is not clear if the ballistic missile program would be part of the cvid. these are part of the issues that need to be worked out before a meeting between the regime and the u.s. president. and complicating things, the president insisted that the north koreans agreed to denuclearization. but they didn't agree to it. they just agreed to parts of things. we're going to be talking about that. the north is looking for denuclearization of the entire peninsula, the entire korean peninsula. since the u.s. hasn't stationed weapons in south korea since the cold war, despite a drop in demand for the condition of the talks, the north likely still sees any american military presence in the south as a nuclear threat. meaning, the administration might be facing a choice between peace and more than half a century of a defense posture in
asia. joining us now is nbc news military analyst, retired army official, major general robert ska scales, former commandant of the army college. thank you for being with us. >> hi, ali. good to be back. >> we described this. what did it mean to you when you heard that the north had agreed to stop certain testing and potentially agreeing to denuclearization? >> not much, ali. the bottom line is, the legitimacy of the north korean regime today is defined by owning nuclear weapons. i think the best that we could hope for in the coming talks is to limit the expansion of nuclear weapons and to have some verifiable means of reducing the probability that the north koreans can deliver a nuclear weapon against the united states. nuclear weapons and the delivery systems for nuclear weapons are simply baked into the north
korean defense strategy. it is simply not like i to chan -- likely to change. certainly won't change after an initial meeting with moon and, later, the president. >> you do not believe cvid is achievable, complete denuclearization? that's not on the table? >> it is on the table, stephanie, but it's not going to happen. that doesn't mean that good things can't come out of this. i mean, just to have north koreans table their research and development effort, stop produci producing missile material, put on the shelf the technology for developing an icbm capable of reaching the united states, have some sort of verification, in exchange for the reduction of american war games in the south, lifting of sanctions as a quid. in the long-term, it'll probably work to the advantages of both countries and reduce the
responsibility of war in the futu future. >> donald trump makes references to how this should have been done a long time ago. what's your sense on why it hasn't been done a long time ago? >> great question, ali. i'll go out on a limb a little bit. a couple things are different this time, if i could just say that. number one, kim is in charge. he has murdered 300 of his potential rivals. number two, the sanctions are actually working, thanks to the chinese. over 95% reduction in imported products from china over the last four or five months. number three, i think kim has been spooked by the bluster coming from the president. he's afraid that the united states might even consider a preemptive strike against the north. all of these factors have changed the complexion from all of the discussions that have occurred over the last 20 years. this potentially could be different than the failed attempts to achieve dena denuclearization in the past.
>> it supports sort of this argument that trump's crazy talk is so crazy, it might work. >> hang on, guys. >> let's not get crazy here. >> before we go there, let's understand that the 800 pound gorilla in the closet here is the chinese, not donald trump. if the chinese choke off north korea, kim is no longer able to feed his elite. remember, he doesn't care about the health of his people. he cares about that 7% of the ruling elite in pyongyang, whose feeding is necessary for him to sustain his power base. the chinese cutting off goods and services going into korea is a big thing. as long as the chinese play along with this, we stand a chance of achieving some serious outcomes in the next few months. >> as you mentioned the other day, satellite imagery of the border crossings into china indicate a lot less trade going on. >> it is stunning. absolutely. >> than there used to be. >> yeah. >> general, always a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you. >> this is not someone who is there to protect his people. >> right.
>> he starves. kim jong-un starves and imprisons his own people. >> i've heard numbers between 300 and 400 families live high on the hog. they drink whiskeys that you and i wouldn't know of. smoke cigarettes i didn't know were made. that's the group that kim jong-un wants to help. >> there are other people imprisoned for crimes that it is believed their an senatcestors committed. in a few hours, president trump will be greeting president macron, the first state visit of the trump administration. why the stakes are so high for the visit. remember, these two men do have somewhat of a special relationship. macron sort of fancies himself the trump whisperer. you are watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. mother...nature! nothing smells greater than the great outdoors...
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expected in my country. >> that, of course, was french president emmanuel macron talking about his relationship with donald trump. he did the interview on fox news. very savvy of macron. we are both mavericks. we're outsiders. you know trump is watching. he certainly likes it. many have described the relationship between trump and macron as a bromance. >> the french leader is certainly trying to become, as stephanie said, a trump whisperer. he plays up the outsider angle, something more likely to put the former businessman at ease, than more experienced politicians, like theresa may or angela merkel. trump and macron are in continual contact. the president taking credit for helping in the decision to keep forces in syria. >> it started before macron was elected. quote, another terrorist attack in paris. the people of france will not take much more of this. will have a big effect on
presidential election. there was a lot of speculation at the time that that tweet was a quiet nod or endorsement of far-right candidate marine le pen, who held similar immigration views to donald trump. just a month and a half later, president trump tweeted his congratulations on macron's big win. adding, i look very much forward to working with him. things then looked adversarial a month later when the two men in brussels for the first time. after weeks of scrutiny over the president's handshake style, the leaders held a white knuckled grip until macron eventually let go of mr. trump's hand. there was the story that the president shared about paris several times on the campaign trail and even after during the annual conservative conference or c-pac, just months before the election. >> i have a friend. he's a very, very substantial guy. he loves the city of lights. he loves paris. i said, jim, let me ask you a question. how is paris doing?
paris? i don't go there anymore. paris is no longer paris. >> okay. >> who is jim? >> we don't know. the identity of jim, who doesn't go no paris anymore, hasn't been confirmed. the president seemed to have no problems traveling to paris last summer, taking in a bastille day celebration and a dinner at the eiffel tower. both of which got glowing reviews from the visiting u.s. leader. macron has not been afraid though to viscriticize presiden trump, krastizi tizchastising t withdrawing the paris climate accord, using a familiar phrase. >> today, the president of the united states, donald trump, announced his decision to withdraw the united states from the paris agreement. i do respect his decision, but i do think it is a mistake. both for the u.s. and for our planet. wherever we live, whoever we
are, we all share the same responsibility. make our planet great again. >> remember, yesterday was earth day. many are celebrating earth week. it could be a topic macron brings up with the president. in reacting to the president's s-hole comments about african countries, he told the bbc, that is not a word you can use to build respectful relationships. the two men have spoken by phone several times. the future of this transatlantic bromance is anyone's guess. >> it is interesting. not fraught with tension. joining us a former campaign spokesperson for president macron. laura, good to cesee you again. give us a sense of what president macron hopes to achieve during this visit. >> i think he wants to, again, show how this transatlantic relation is important between the two countries.
there is this state visit, which is extremely important for president macron, it is going to be great to be here. he is really going to like this visit. he welcome, as you said, president trump in paris last july. he wants to make sure, also, that the american people understand that the french people know what america did for france during the second world w war, during also the first world war. there is a historical relationship, again, between the two countries, which is quite important. also, of course, you have the political side. what president macron is trying to achieve on the international scene. it is important for the state visit. >> in showing that appreciation for what the united states has done historically, is his goal to remind the president that america first or america only is not what our country has done in the past? and is his goal to simply get the president to stay in the
iran deal? >> i think the goal here is really to try to convince president trump about iran, and also what's happening in the fight against terrorism. i think for the people i spoke with in france, you know we're living in a sensitive moment. we have terrorist attacks. this is going to be extremely important between the two presidents. what's happening, for instance, against terrorism. what's happening in syria. you have two things. you have what's in the united states, president trump. on the diplomatic stage, you have what president macron is trying to do for the world we live? >> how does president macron -- i mean, it is an interesting thing, world leaders who can deal with the fact that president trump issues these criticisms and comments about a guy named trump who told him not to go to paris. the president has gone after u.s. allies. he told theresa may to focus on
radical islamic terrorism. telling je telling germany they owe nato vast amounts of money. does president macron not deal with this, or does he feel he has a way of not provoking it? >> there is an awareness that president macron understood since the first day. a few hours after the election, president trump called president macron. it was an interesting phone call. it was a very direct dialogue. i think that's what you have to understand between this special relationship. macron is not afraid to assess things to president trump. i just want to remind you that before to be president, before to be in the political life, macron was also a banker. he was working for an investment bank. he has a certain way. he knows how to speak in a very direct way to the american president. i think he appreciates the
courage of the young president, 40 years old, who didn't come from the political establishment and, again, has a direct way to speak to the president. >> laura, good to talk yo to to again. >> thank you. president trump does not like formal speak. he doesn't like diplomatic speak. it is one of the reasons he didn't mesh with h.r. mcmaster. the question is, what is macron's emotional intelligence like? is he like trump? trump doesn't forgive anyone who insults him, ever. if you were ever on the never trump camp, if you are part of the bush campaign -- >> you're painted as that forever. >> is macron a pragmatic business guy who can simply play ball with anyone in order to achieve his goals? >> interesting to see. we'll keep a close watch on this. coming up next, potentially damaging report on president trump's newest national security adviser. nbc news reports john bolton chaired an anti-muslim think tank. we'll tell you about its ties to
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misleading and false mean? lies. absolute lies. it was a site that was basically anti-muslim news. some was amplified by a russian troll factory. the non-profit is the gatestone institution. it is based here in new york city. it warns of a looming, quote, jihadist takeover of europe, leading to a, quote, great white death. >> this is the national security adviser. the report is the work of nbc news national political reporter heidi, who joins us now. great reporting on this. tell us more about the gatestone institution and john bolton's connection to it. >> reporter: right. we have exclusive, new details about this institute, which has been written about as an anti-muslim think tank. what we found, based on our exclusive reporting, is by cross-matching some of the information that was coming out from gatestone, that some of this information was amplified across europe and the u.s. by a russian -- confirmed russian troll factory. found four different accounts associated with the internet
research agency, which is the russian state-backed effort to influence the u.s. and european elections. furthermore, there were a number of gatestone authors appearing on sputnik news, a russian state media outlet. it is important to note, ali, that while there was definitely an anti-muslim theme to almost all of this work, john bolton himself didn't personally byline any of the stories. when i contacted the gatestone institu institute, they said that they were unaware of any of their information being amplified by russian trolls. again, a lot of their scholars are quoted in russian media and appeared on the russian media, as well. >> you also report that john bolton has a long relationship with pamela geller. for those who don't know her, she is very clear, anti-islamic activist. much of what she says is rooted in hate. >> pam geller is associated with
the campaign to move or just not allow the 9/11 mosque, the mosque that was going to be built near the 9/11 site, in new york. also, she was behind the controversial contest of drying prophet mohamed. john bolton has an association with her, having written a foreword in her book. also appeared on her radio show. >> is she a person who we could see become a white house character, more familiar to the broader audience? >> oh, god, i hope not. >> reporter: that would be speculation. certainly, they have a long association. now, we see these threads, as well, with the think tank and a lot of the authors putting out anti-muslim information in news across europe. i just don't have the reporting about their current relationship. >> heidi, thanks for the reporting you do have. nbc news national political
correspondent. sent chills up my spine talking about that. these kuks in the periphery is one thing. when they make it to the center, hateful, terrible. >> this goes to the argument about freedom of speech. we welcome a diversity of ideas and didn't views. the issue is when views are based on absolute nonsense, where there is no fact. >> right. >> if it is amplified and makes its way to the center conversation, people start to believe it is the truth. >> that's right. >> that is the danger. new example of trump, not being strong on russia -- >> wait a minute, he said he is the strongest. sarah huckabee sanders said it, too. >> why the treasury department is stalling sanctions on a russian aluminum company. >> hmm. and it's a boy. princess charlotte and prince george were heading into the hospital in london to visit their new baby brother. prince william guiding them in.
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przybi welcome back. the u.s. treshly department has granted a reprieve of sorts to a russian owned aluminum giant hit with sanctions earlier this month. it is one of the largest aluminum producers in the world, commanding an estimated 6% share of the global market. >> the company, though, is alleged to have ties to this guy, a russian oligarch. you've heard his name before, the target of u.s. sanctions because of his ties to russian president vladamir putin. >> also, long ties to paul manafort. >> that's correct. u.s. companies now have six months to wind down their business dealings with him, and escape any penalty for payments made to him during that time. >> joining us is a former
treasury department spokesperson who worked on sanctions policy. help us understand what we make of today's announcement, because when the sanctions were first imposed, so much coverage on what this was doing specifically to him and his business. it was crippling, annihilating him. then last week, president trump, i'm the toughest on russia. nobody is tougher. and now to me when i read this, i'm like, wait a minute, now there's six months, are they walk thing back, giving the company instructions on how to get around sangions. what's going on here? >> it's not unprecedented for treasury to take measures to not necessarily walk things back but give periods of windown when they fear there's a backlash on u.s. business. something we did when we hit certain targets, especially like russia energy or whatever, we had to be careful to thread that needle carefully to ensure there was no backlash on u.s. businesses. >> so this is a normal course of
business? >> part of it. the other part important to note is that the oligarch was sanctioned not because he was a bad actor but for having ties to oleg. the ties are basically that he owns a company that owns rusal. so the effects of the sanction, they feel they're in jeopardy and need to ask for an exemption, they're saying listen, we are not involved in bad behavior, and we think that we are owed this exemption. it's obviously having a massive impact. we're not -- >> don't blame us because he owns us. >> right. >> can you split the two, though? >> treasury seems to be suggesting so, that they can escape sanctions if he quit the company. >> right. to be fair, they're still sanctioned, so it's giving them some time, six months, to figure out what to do. and in the meantime, u.s. businesses and ostensibly
european businesses, will figure out if they want to continue working with them. but i couldn't go so far as to say this is a softening stance or even a reprieve so much as y my -- when they took the actions in april, the u.s. private sector and probably the europeans, the germans have been vocal about that, probably said whoa, whoa. >> we need aluminum. >> this is the second largest aluminum producing company. >> this is why it's harder to put sanctions on russia than north korea. thanks for your explanation. time for our monumental americans. people who may deserve a statue. today, it's dr. luther terry, the u.s. surgeon general, who exposed the link between smoking and cancer. >> he was born in alabama in 1911, and earn eed his medical
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iran deal. his nominee for secretary of state, facing defeat in the foreign relations committee today. and the white house fighting concerns that kim jong-un is already winning the pr battle with president trump. >> we are cautious. i've heard the president say many times we're going keep up maximum pressure and not stop until they de-nuclearize. he's also said i can walk away from the table. humble hero. a manhunt in tennessee for a gunman suspected of killing four people at a waffle house sunday, before being stopped by james shaw, jr., who sprang into action. >> when i saw the barrel down, i just saw my opportunity and i attacked. and i took it and it worked out for myself. it worked out for myself and others that were actually in the waffle house at the same time. and it's boy. the dutch else of cambridge and prince william welcoming their third child today. in a year of celebration as