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one of the truckers who was part of the wall said highway patrolman shook every trucker's hand and thanked them for their contribution. that is extraordinary. those are some great americans. i send good health to that man who's now receiving medical treatment and thank you so much to those truckers. i also want to thank my assistant downtown julie brown because today is professional assistant's day and my sister julie, you're doing god's work. that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i hand you off to hallie jackson. hallie, philadelphia 76ers, nice win last night. >> i'm telling you. although i'm more of a football than a basketball fan. i'm a fan of administrative professionals day, so shout out too my mom. this morning, guys, the doctor is in for now. ronnie jackson down but not out with the white house ready for a fight. they are pushing back hard on accusations the president's pick to lead the va is a bad manager, doled out drugs, drank on the
job. lawmakers are raising serious questions. listen. >> if these accusations are found to be false, then i think there could be a confirmation hearing. i think if they're found to be true, i think it puts him in a world of hurt the. >> so we are following that on the hill. and also on the hill as you look at the live capitol dome, we're watching for someone else, french president emmanuel macron. that's because he's addressing congress later this hour. we might get more specifics on his talks about iran, syria, trade, and climate. plus, the travel ban gets its day in court because right now the nation's nine top justices are hearing a challenge to one of the president's controversial policies. justices will decide whether ties travel ban as you took a live look was down discriminate or to protect americans. we'll take you there. we've got our team here this morning for a busy 60 minutes. they're ready to rock and roll and let's start with garrett hake over on capitol hill. in garrett, in our report thong the last couple days i have heard from celebration officials they are going fight. i'm told jackson does not want
to back down. he wants this hearing. congress has giving him a red light, right? senator tester was out on our story on the today show this morning talking i lit bit about how he sees this developing and these acc zass again-- accusati against jackson. >> number one semiproper doling out of prescription drugs. it's a big, big problem to the point where some of the white house even calling the candy man. this often happens on overseas trips where there were many time zone changes. these are prescription drugs, they're controlled substances. as a medical doctor, you need to treat them as such. >> so, garrett, white house sources have pointed to what they say is an internal review that found no improper usage by dr. jackson. tell me what you're hearing on the hill because i understand in the last two minutes you tried to catch up with senator tester again? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i talked to senator tester very briefly here he's was leaving a hearing this morning. he says that all of these allegations are still very much
under investigation. there is as of now no timeline to move forward with this hearing. all though the option remains open, if nothing is found. i think we have some of the sound bar of our very brief conversation with senator tester that we can play. take i listen. >> we haven't talked to -- not talked to members of the committee because we skrnt haven't confiend e veend. talked to them individually. for the most part they're doing the same thing i am and just trying to figure out where the truth is. >> have you had anymore accusations brought to your office? >> i would have to go back and talk to my staff on that. there have been people come up and talk to people like you that we weren't aware of. >> reporter: and there's a conspike cue lus with us difference here today among republican members of that veterans affairs committee. yesterday i talked to seller of them throughout the course of the day especially before the allegations were a little bit more flushed out said we're going to see how this plays out. wasn't to make sure we talk to him, make sure these
conversations continue. so far notable absence of comment from two republican snores on that committee not wanting to say one way or the other when we tried to pin them down and whether jackson is qualified or if he should continue in this process. a time thing here. congress is out next week, the senate is out next week, so it's like that i this hearing slides at least another full week. as you well know, when you lose that kind of momentum in something like this in washington, it can be very difficult to get it back. so not necessarily a position dr. jackson wants to be in today, if indeed he wants to continue with this process at all. >> garrett hake on capitol hill. thank you much. i want to bring in hans over on the north lawn. thanks for filling in for us and walk us through about where we know where ronnie jackson stands. because as garrett talked about you're look at mid-may for the next steps, but they want those next steps. >> reporter: yeah, that's another information point. 'was clear from the white house there wasn't a battle plan to
get this admiral through the confirmation process. at the pentagon that was even more aparent. we kept going up asking about these allegations. they toind refer us to the white house. and in that information void there are these stories that started to spread giving voice by jon tester alleging that there is problems in the office, that there was drinking on foreign trips, prescription drug issue that we've heard about a lot. i've talked to former obama staffers on this the 'they're all clear that this basically involved ambien, which say sleep aid which sometimes staffers take when they do go overseas. then here at the white house we heard from two norvels this watchdog report that are nothing came up in this wash dog report that raised any flags. i think more important lit line from the pentagon late yesterday it was a private line that is that admiral jackson wouldn't have received that promotion from captain to admiral wrornt have earned his first star if there had been anything untoward in any of his internal reviews. that's the argument. but it's difficult to make that argument when you're already
trying to defend, you're already trying disprove things that are out there. and now we have yet another information void. if you do have a full week and then even longer before he can clear his name in a public forum that allows these stories out there to have even more legs. hallie. >> thank you much. i want to bring in john sults. an army officer who served in the war. here in d.c. or panel for the next 50 four minutes, annie lins sky and msnbc contributor josh barrow. thank you all for being here. john, let me start with you. it has been so secret that vote vets and donald trump have not always seen eye to eye had the where do you stand on the nom maftion jack sond at stories that have come out over the last two days? >> i think we stood where we stand last month. he was completely unprepared. is a medical doctor who treats patients and has never led a major organization in his entire career. he was unprepared to deal with
the complexities at the department of veterans affairs. i think more importantly what's happened over the last 24 hours is concerning. it is true that there's extreme vetting when you get promoted in the military, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't any type of misconduct from the admiral while he was over at the white house. and so going off of what we heard in senator tester on the lead, the navy needs to investigate this immediately. if will is some type of misconduct that's happened, that could preclude him from moving forward in his career. opioid issues are huge inside military and at the department of veterans affairs. in fact, in the wisconsin senate race we're actually seeing this issue play out from our organization. so these are concerning issues in the veterans community. >> it sound to me like senator tester in my conversations with him and other conversations that it didn't indicate this was an opioid issue regarding overprescription, it was more like sleep aides on flights. would have you supported jackson prior to these accusations coming out?
you didn't, right? >> no, because he didn't have any understanding or any experience to lead this department. just because he's a doctor -- >> so how -- but i don't mean it interrupt you, but given that, how do you move forward? in your statement you've asked for an apology for donald trump for nominating him in the first place. you and i both know that's probably never going to happen. >> of course not. >> what say constructive way to move forward here? >> constructive way for the president to move forward is to actually go out and vet people prior to announcing their names, not just the guy that you like because you're buddies and you nominate them to lead one of the most critical agencies in our government. do a vet, find out where they are on core issues. where are you on opioid to represent the department of foreign affairs, where you are on privatetation, the choice program, the department of veterans affairs, you know, works on. and we have absolutely no idea where, you know, rornny jack spohn is on any of these issues when he's nominated. so finding a serious candidate who can handle the department
and will take good stances on these issues will be a good start. >> given that you have these questions, would you want to see him go through a confirmation hearing to be faced with these questions? >> if they want to have a confirmation hearing it's going to be a brutal catastrophe for the administration. when donald trump stands up and says i wouldn't go through with the hearing it means he knows there's something tlels. if they want to have it, they can are v it. but i can't see him getting through with all the concerns that everyone has. i can't see this guy taking the stances that would make the veterans groups feel that they should tell congress to endorse the nomination of someone wholly unqualified for the job. >> i want to put you on pause and bring in annie and josh. because one of the things that was referenced is the president's statements in that conference in the east room. the president candidly said if it was me i wouldn't do it. it seems like, and i have in had no push back from any of my sources inside the white house, that the president is setting
the stage for a graceful exit. that characterization is not in dispute. >> absolutely. and it seems like that was going to be next thing he was going to say. i was waiting yesterday for a statement coming out that he was going to be withdrawing his nomination. but then weapon got t got the ot of the white house, which is jackson was at the oval and meeting with the president. >> for a positive meeting between the two of them. you have democrats too and john has made clear where he stands on the confirmation hearing process. but some democrats seem to be in a way reserving judgment. it seems like folks want to know more. here's what was on msnbc this morning, josh. >> i had my doubts already and wanted a lot of questions answered before these latest revelations that are very disturbing. >> do you think that dr. ronnie jackson should withdraw his nomination? >> think that's something he's going to have to decide. >> i'm driven a little bit nuts that these allegations have become the central issue in this
confirmation hearing because i think what we're going to have is we're going 0 to have a mixed record. you have these allegations but then you also have a number of positive performance reviews from president obama during his time in office, have you people who have come out to defend his professional work record. the thing it distracts from is that he's this guy who's a physician and by many accounts an accomplished physician who's being appointed to run an agency with 375,000 employees. >> second biggest agency in the federal government. >> it's an enormous hospital system and an enormous financial services provider. it's an extremely complicated agency that he doesn't have experience for. if we have a confirmation hearing that's focused around these sort of fuzzy allegations where you're hearing people making ditch claims on both sides of them and members of congress doesn't they can't evaluate for themselves what's true and not true, you can lose the more important question, which is whether this guy is qualified to run the va. i'd be inclined to bracket these issues. these are questions for the military and medical board. but really the question before congress is this the right guy
to run the va? i think the clear answer to that is no regardless of whether he's allegations are true or not. >> the other question in front of conglaes lawmakers are getting asked by people like garrett hake is this administration doing enough to vet out these folks before they get sent for these nominations. mitch mcconnell was pushed on this yesterday. here's what he said. >> it's up to the administration do the vetting and i think those are the kind of questions you ought to direct to them. and i'm assuming at some point here it will be cleared up as to the way forward with regard to the new va secretary. >> let me pull back more broadly for a second. it's ronnie jackson, there are questions now about there have been scott pruitt, there are now new questions about mick mulvaney, this "new york times" piece that came out that said that mulvaney apparently said the thing that nobody in washington says even though everybody thinks it. think we have the quote here at times where he basically talks about paying money for lobbyists. like this idea that if the
lobbyists gave him money, he might meet with them, if they didn't he wouldn't meet with them. his spokesman pushed back and is he he was talk about the communicating and act interacting with citizens. this was quite the eye roll zbrl but, you know, during the campaign donald trump whenever woe ask him why'd you give all this many to democrats, he said i'm a businessman. he said i'm a businessman because that's what gets people to talk to you. i think it hasn't hurt him because i think, as you say, this is how people assume it works. and donald trump is saying it out loud and people don't hold that against him because other people are doing this they just know they're not supposed to say it. >> at some point does the turmoil inside the cabinet, the question marks surrounding some of these folks, has it just become to folks out there, noise? >> i don't know. i mean, you look at what a lift it was to get pompeo over the threshold. he was a member of congress, but outside groups had to spend
millions of dollars in key districts to get him over. so i think it begins to erode a little bit of trust in whether this is a president who's taking this -- some of these basic rules seriously. >> john, final thoughts to you here. do you believe that folks in washington are risking playing politics with veterans? >> well, think people in washington always play politics with veterans. think we've seen that time and time again. i think more concerning with the president right now is he's putting somebody or he wants to put someone in charge of the veteran affairs that he's personally comfortable with rather than finding the person that could do the job the best, someone who's loyal to him. and i think that's concerning for veterans across our country. >> it sounds like what you're saying is it's to you less about the allegations that have come out and more about the experience factor or, in your opinion, lack thereof. >> yeah. i mean, i think that the major concern here should be how do we take care of our veterans? i think the stuff that's come out and concerning seasoned
should be looked at, but it's the final straw for him in regards to what we thought of him anyway. >> thank you. i'm going to ask annie and josh to stick around because we want to show thank you live look of what's happening outside the supreme court right now. these are protesters outside because inside president trump's travel ban is being put to the legal test. the president is hoping this one goes better than overnight when a federal judge stopped him from killing the daca program which is intended to protect about 700,000 documented immigrants brought to this country when they were younger. we're following both sfrors here and washington. >> reporter: hallie there are is the first time the supreme court looks at the marpts of the travel ban. it was here last year but that was on an reasonable doubt off how broadly to interpret the lower court rulings against it. this time the trump administration says this one is different, that it's the result of a worldwide survey of how good other countries were at providing background information on people who apply for visas and how good those countries are
at fighting terrorism. but the challengers here say this is the same problem as the other versions of the travel ban, that it exceeds the president's legal authority because it bans people from an inn tire country. and secondly they say it's unconstitutional, it's basically a muslim ban papered over. the supreme court will hear this case and it will decide it by late june. and the argument comes just after a federal judge had another blow to the policy that the president wanted to stop the daca program. two other federal judges said daca must continue add the government must allow people already enrolled to reny. this federal judge in washington agreed with them but went further and said the government must also accept new daca applications. but he put his ruling on hold for three months until late july giving the administration 90 more days to come one a justification for why they think
it's illegal and should be stopped. so that will play on. daca is an issue that's undoubtedly coming back here to the supreme court too. hallie. >> thank you for that are analysis outside the supreme court. overnight we want to talk about the alarm bells going off in arizona because republicans are waking up to a victory, a win in that state's eighth congressional district. debbie lesko the projected winner in a special election. the president tweeting out some congratulations this morning. just a couple minutes ago over on capitol hill, our kasie hunt caught up with the republican chairman of the house freedom caucus. mark meadows who is make news on this. watch. >> debbie lesko will join the freedom caucus, is that right? >> that will be a decision for her to make. we've supported her. i endorsed her in the primary. we look forward to her joining our ranks. we will certainly take a vote to offer her an invite to join the freedom caucus. we do anticipate that she will based on conversations.
but you can never make a commitment like that without knowing that you're a member of congress so we look forward to having those discussions in the next day or so. >> mark meadows there the 'here's the thing in the in a race that on paper should have been a blowout it ended you up in a single-digit margin. jeff flake calling it a warning shot for congressional republicans. and democrats there are now eagerly looking toward november. vaughan hilliard has been our man on the ground, up all night, live in glendale for us. vaughan, the democrat has not conceded yet. tell me what you're watching for this morning. >> reporter: yeah, the democrat, she has not conceded at that point. there's about a 5 percentage point margin. the difference is not going to be big enough for her to overcome, so you're looking at debbie bes lesko head offering to congress. if you're looking at this race, these congressional races have become localized. and if i may, if you're republicans, yes, sir, donors
are concerned, gop members on capitol hill are concerned about this race. but after being here, more than a million dollars in outside money, most from the rnc and nrc was spent here to protect az 08. there are more competitive races out there more than azo 8 is. they put out a statement that the rnc was proud to support her and proved to be the difference maker in the race. in this scenario, if i may, i think there's a disconnect from the issues. we had a couple voters on your show here yesterday, republicans, who said that they were voting for the democrat because of the issue of public funding of education here in the state. and that was something that ended up being more than anecdotal. there are republicans and independents in this plus 21 district, plus 25 romney distinct. this place has no democratic
roots. but you saw a willing willingness for them to go to the pole on the special election and soet vote for the democrat. debbie lesko had been in the state legislature for nine years. there's a teacher walkout on thursday. and so if you're a member that is running for congress, a lot of these things are coming down to these local issues. so, yes, donald trump is part of this, but it's more than boots on the ground from super pacs and more than rnc television ads in the is going to come down to those issues and whether republicans are able to take their own initiative in these states. running on a trump agenda, i don't think is enough. and debbie lesko, that five-point margin can attest to that. >> thank you, my friend. i appreciate it. we are watching capitol hill just behind us this morning where any many french president emmanuel macron is set to arrive and speak before congress and on the table, talk on the iran nuclear deal. we herd president trump acknowledge thalg may be a need for a new agreement. what's he going to say to lawmakers to try to sthaif thav
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we want to bring you some developing news from over at the white house because we just heard from the top legislative aid to donald trump marc short about all of this unfolding on ronnie jackson. kristen welker was in that driveway gag will. kristen, give us the highlights. what did he say? >> marc short continues to be defiant as is this white house that ronnie jackson da skerves a fair hearing and deserves to tell his story pushing back vigorously against these allegations that have been made
against him. allegations of drinking on the job, handing out pills, creating a toxic work environment. short essentially saying he has no plans to withdraw and that he wants to move forward in this process. and the white house still believes that he is the right person for this position. now, he got a lot of tough questions about the rollout process and he 8, hallie, there is going to be, as you and i reported last night, a very strong effort to really try to make the case now for ronnie jackson. this comes after i've been talking to a number of former obama administration officials who say, look, they never saw jackson drinking on the job. two officials acknowledge, of course, at times there were sleeping pills given out on long flights overseas, that's not atypical when you're dealing with those types of long work trips. but they say there was never indication that there was a toxic work environment. they never got any complaints about ronnie jackson, although they do acknowledge they say,
look, the white house botched this rollout. i asked marc short about that a number of different times. he didn't respond directly to that question, but it is very clear that marc short digging in and that that is going to be the strategy of this white house moving forward. one more point, he called it very unfair that jon tester referred to short or referenced that he has been called the candyman. he said that's just unfair. he said, look, these allegations are nothing more than an attempt to -- by political rivals to undercut him. >> i'd ask you to stand by if you can on something else because we want to take over to capitol hill where we're five, ten minutes away from seeing the french president emmanuel macron deliver a speech before a joint meeting of congress. we expect house speaker paul ryan to call the house to order at any moment. let me give a backdrop. the tradition of foreign dignitaries addressing the congress started with the french when they appeared before congress in 1824. here's your history lesson for
the day. president trump sent out this tweet last hour. busy day planned. looking forward to president macron of france address a joint session of congress today in the say great honor and seldom allowed to be done. he will be great. kasie hunt is over on capitol hill for us. casey, beyond rolling out the red carpet for macron, now over on the hill after that state din, he there's some real foreign policy challenges macron is expected to address, he almost has to address this morning, right? >> that's right. what you're going to see unfold is that very much lots of pomp and circumstance going up on -- going on up here on capitol hill today. a little bit like a state of the union but not quite, of course, because this is not the u.s. president. but tons of security, you're going to see the very formal kind of procession of macron, the cabinet, other dignitaries down the i'll and the house of representatives, all of that. but i can guarantee you that what many members of congress are looking for today is in particular what macron is going to say about iran. that iran deal and what the
president is going to doing on may 12th, the deadline that he has. and i have to tell you there are a lot of republicans up here on capitol hill who were opposed to the iran deal when president obama first made it. they didn't want him to do it, but now they're nervous about the u.s. pulling out of it. they're worried about the message that that sends about america's credibility with its allies overseas. they're worried about what it might mean for the president's ability to cut a deal with north korea. and they're worried that iran perhaps already got some of the benefits of having some of those sanctions lifted and that this ultimately will simply hurt western efforts to monitor their nuclear program. so, of course, as you've been reporting with your colleagues at the white house, the president has been talking to european leaders about whether they can come to some agreement on make something adjustments before that may 12th deadline. he seems to hint that the french president that the french president knew what he might do, but of course it's a mystery still all of us, to many members of congress here. so i think they'll be looking to
macron to see if he offers any reassurance or what he says and asks for from them on that be front in particular. >> kasie hunt there live on the hill. kasie hunt, a lot of activity set to kick off in a couple minutes. back with me now, kristen welker at the white house, also joined onset assistant secretary for public affairs pj crowley and annie linski with the boston globe. let me talk about the three big foreign policy topics before we get into the relationship between macron and trump which i know everybody wants to talk about as we take a look at live picks coming out of the house floor now. you can see the shot of lawmakers assembling inside the capitol building. we expect to see house speaker paul ryan any minute before emmanuel macron walks in. i can't tell from this vantage point who they are applauding for. mike pence actually walking in the pu can see the vice president ready for this jint meeting here. as we look at these pictures, we know iran is one of the biggest foreign policy topics the do you
think there has been with macron signaling he's open to a new deal a kind of breakthrough here? >> i think that emmanuel ma scrone trying to help donald trump rationalize his policy and his politics. trump has said, you know, it's a bad deal, but in terms of the broader conservative critique of the iran deal, you know, the sunset clause, missiles is not a part of it, and then iran's role in the region, what macron laid out in yesterday's press conference, i'm sure he'll do it again with the congress, is to try to put the jcp away, as we call it, as one of the pillars of a very sensible, you know, approach to iran that donald trump can embrace and declare a win in the process. >> what does president macron get to go back home and say? what does he get home and say, look, i delivered on what? >> well, i emmanuel macron has set himself up as the trump
whisperer. we'll see if that works. it's a hard job. you know, i mean, think of it this way. allies like france and emmanuel macron want to help the united states. they just can't figure out how do it. >> the you talk about emmanuel macron being the trump whisperer. we got to play a little bit of some of that because there wasn't just whispering, there was hugging, handshake, back slap, bromancing between macron and donald trump for the last 24, 48 hours or so the. and kristen, that's an ref va lution from when they first met. tell me what you've observed over the last two days. >> reporter: you talk about the term evolution, hallie, think about that first handshake that really was more of an arm wrestle when they met for the very first time on the sidelines of an international summit. and then over the course of time, they developed a very unique bond. look, these are two political newcomers. they both wanted to shake up the system, even though they do have
these policy differences. and the fact that they've really forged a strong bond i think was on display yesterday. we saw it in a number of different instances, everything from a close handshake. at one point they appeared to be holding hands, they kissed each other on the cheek, air kisses. but did underscored the fact this is a relationship that president trump feels this is important, hence the reason why he gave macron the first state viss visit here at the white house. that was not by mistake. clear lit president sees him as a party on a range of different issues. they joined the u.s. on those strikes. to iran and korea as well to the go back to a point kasie made, you heard president trump sort of open the door just a little bit to the possibility that he may be coming to some common ground macron when it comes to the iran nuclear deal. we'll have to see if that pans out. >> thank you much, my friend. i appreciate it. and it's not just iran, right?
as we take a live look again, you're look at pictures from inside the capital. you saw vice president pence, house speaker paul ryaning chatting a bit up front. we expect speaker ryan to be introducing emmanuel macron. we understand is he in the building. so this should be kicking off. any minute as we wait for that, talk a little bit about syria because that's another important topic here. >> as a contradiction within the trump foreign policy on the one hand there's a confrontational approach to iran. on the other hand the president has expressed recently even yesterday his desire to get out of syria. and macron is trying to bridge that by saying, look, if you leave syria prematurely, you open the door to greater influence from iran. you need to stay rooted in the middle east to be able to solve syria, yemen, libby -- i'm sorry, leb massachusetts bah non and iraq. >> it seeps as though that argument has held had water with president because even as he said in that press conference
that he wanted to get troops out relatively soon, he also acknowledged the need to maintain some kind of footprint, which seemed to be what macron was trying to get him to do. >> i wouldn't read too much into what the president says on any given day about the middle east because there's been so much insince and changes in the poll. >> i isn't that problematic? >> yes. but may be why macron sees an opening to try to influence him. >> what does he go back home with? >> france has wanted to assert more of its own leadership role within the european union. germany has been in this role as the leader for europe for a number of decades now. germany has its troubles. and then both the germ nan chancellor and the british prime minister have significant difficulties in their relationships with donald trump. so macron is able to be there as the only significant european leader with a strong influence with the president. if he can go back and say even relatively small changes, he got him do this thing together on syria. if he can get the froze say
something -- president to say something to push out the iran deal for another number of months because he's going to work with macron to do some sort of new deal that replaces obama's bad deal, that would be an enormous victory in terms of french influence. >> i think that's what it comes down to. i think we'll know the answer as to whether or not macron got anything in may when we -- may 12th. >> right. >> you have a drop dead deadline to see did he get anything. >> and there's peril here. tony blair was deeply connected to george w. bush and it cost him politically. angela merkel was connected to barack obama, that enhanced her politically. and macron is trying to bond with trump at a time where trump is deeply unpopular within europe. >> does macron mean it or is he trying to play the president? >> i think this is largely -- i mean, emmanuel macron fervently believes in multilateralism.
he's trying to educate donald trump to expand his vision and his horizons here. it's a noble cause to try to save trump from himself. >> a pragmatic one too. it's a very pragmatic. >> as we talk about foreign policy issues, north korea is part and parcel of what the discussion is all by the want to see if we can sneak in a quick sound bite from donald trump that raised a lot of eyebrows. we're going to play it as we take a quick break from this live look on capitol hill to listen to donald trump and then we'll come back to this. >> we're having very, very good discussions. kim jong-un was -- he really has been very open and i think very honorable from everything we're seeing. now, a lot of promises have been made by north korea over the years, but they've never been in this position. >> you're laughing when you hear him say that, when you hear him call kim jong-un honorable and open. barry mccaffrey who is an
military analyst, by the way retired four star general ral, he had his uncle beat up and blown to death, they shot the army chief for dozing during speech, 200,000 in gulog, it beats its own people. >> whatever else you want to say about kim and what you may or may not be able to do, open and honorable would not be two terms i would certainly use if the is part of, you know, this dynamic between iran and north korea's fascinating. the president is boxing himself in because the best he's going to do is get some sort of an interim agreem wient with kim. but everything that trump is likely to achieve in the context of north korea, what's criticized in the context of iran. >> we want to point out what's
happening live over on the capitol. paul ryan, mike pence standing by the there the there's some ceremonial proceedings. you have some of the members of the french delegation walking in the 'the so-called escort committee from emmanuel macron. we expect to see members of the president's cabinet and then followed by the french president. so we are explaining what you are watching on your screens. as we have this conversation about what we expect macron to talk about and how this trip has gone. i've got p.j. crowley and looks like mike spence coming up to speak now. annie, high stakes. >> oh, yeah. absolutely. i mean, this is where he gets to make the case to democrats as well as republicans. i mean, he's not been able to present his arguments to the democrats since he's sort of been walled off from them so far. so it will be the first time to make this case on the biggest stage we have. >> it's an opportunity for him to offer something for everybody as well. for democrats it's a more internationalist world view,
obviously one that's more defensive of the iran deal. but he's framing it in a way that's it's a way to work with donald trump, for donald trump to put his stamp on these matters so it could be appealing to republicans as well. it mimics the role he has in french politics where he's positioned himself in the center and been able to appeal to the right and left at various times. >> can he we bring it back home and talk about trade ant twha emmanuel macron and donald trump talk about trade and exact on trade, secretary? >> well, yesterday in the press conference macron on a couple of occasions, you know, tried to use trump's frame, you know, trade has to be balanced and reciprocal to say it's balanced in the context of france. >> right. >> and the united states. so we say, hey, we're good on trade. now, what happens with angela merkel later in the week, very different conversation. >> the senate escort committee, by the way, just being announced by vice president mike pence which means that we expect to see the members of the cabinet walking in and then french president emmanuel macron.
so we're watching and waiting to see that. it's an interesting dynamic giving that there have been -- we've been talking about on this program a lot of questions about some of the cabinet members that are going to be walking into this room here today sitting with some of the law makers who have been really critical. kristen welker is still with us. kristen, speak to that idea a little bit the dynamics inside this room with the french president delivering in speech, members of donald trump's cabinet in the same place as law makers who have been critical. >> reporter: right. i think you see this contrast of the week, hallie,ed on anderson so some extent the trump administration trying to focus on forl policy this week given the high stakes meeting with emmanuel macron at the same time dealing with controversy swirling around his own cabinet, very difficult questions that he's had to answer. that his senior administration officials continue to get bombarded by questions about, particularly as it relates to the epa administrator scott pruitt who has come under scrutiny for some of his
spending practice, for some ethical concerns, some of his behavior underreview as we speak. and the president continuing to stand by him saying he's someone who has carried out trump agenda. he's is someone who has moved toward deregulation. at the same time, it's yet another data point than casts a cloud over a week like this which the president does goont perfectly. so that's sort of the backdrop as we await them walking in the room. >> and we are about 20 minutes behind schedule at that point, which means that we should see emmanuel macron in the next couple minutes. we're going to take a quick break and we'll be back with more in a minute. ♪ oh you're simply the best ♪ better than all the rest ♪ better than anyone ♪ anyone i've ever met
cloud over a week like this we're going to take a quick back with me now former state department assistant secretary for public affairs p.j. crowley, josh barrow with business insider and annie linski with the boston globe as we take a live look at the house chamber inside the capitol building. you can see president macron's wife standing. she is receiving an ovation from lawmakers here in the u.s. he was get ready for her husband, the french president, to deliver a speech to congress. we know that the president's cabinet has entered the room,
that happened just during commercial break. and secretary crowley, one of the interesting things that we've seen has been the relationship evolve between donald trump and emmanuel macron. that was evident last night at the state dinner. that toast that these men delivered. let's play that now. >> so tonight i ask that we raise our glasses as i offer this toast to president macron and bridget. may our friendship grow even deeper. may our kinship grow even stronger and may our sacred liberty never die. >> >>. >> translator: i got to know you, you got know me. we both know that none of us easily changes his mind. but, we will work together and we have this ability to listen to one another. this is the reason why our relationship will serve
throughout history. >> it's striking you heard the french president is it it there and he repeated it several times throughout the day, we're two guys that don't change our minds. he was very clear, wanted to get that message out pretty obviously. >> he acknowledged that yesterday. there's a profound difference with regard to climate. there's some similarities with respect to syria. but i think what's interesting to me is that, you know, we're not so far removed from freedom fries, 2001 and 2002 and france's notable refusal to join us in iraq and people taking a bottle of french wine and pour it down the sink. from a historical standpoint we've come a long way. >> we've just heard the house sergeant of arms that the president of france is walking into the chamber. you can see him making his way down the aisle there. he'll be stopping and shaking hands with lawmakers that are lining the aisle. it is significant that this is
the first foreign leader for whom the president has had a sta state dinner, has held an official state vis antd it's macron. >> the bond between the two of them is quite interesting. but you also saw with those tofts last night, macron's toast was much longer than trump's so you can expect a long-wind commentary from himmed it. >> don't change the channel, it's worth watch, i promise. >> but also you saw trump actually reading that toast. so perhaps one of the influences macron has had is to sort of bring back the tell prompter trump that we haven't seen so much lately. >> you can see nancy pelosi, kevin mccarthy following behind president macron. josh. >> i think your point emphasizing we don't change our minds very much, p. jxj. refered the hug, allowing him to take credit when trump does things that he wants dhoim and when he doesn't do those things can he
say trump is tre stubborn i couldn't fix everything. >> so he's trying to have his cake and eat it too, you agree? >> i think that's what have you do when you're dealing with donald trump because whatever he says today may not be the policy tomorrow. >> is this speech going to move the needle for law make whers it comes to iran and that foreign policy? >> i think it offers a way out. to your point earlierry think, possibility of constructsing an argument that this will be a new deal. that there's a new deal on the table when in fact the foundation of the old deal is still in place. there's maybe like a new wring wing being built. >> it was congress that created this quarterly certification process and think so this is about giving cover so that trump can, in fact, shift without paying too significant a price. >> as you see the french president shaking hands with sit vice president mike pence. he's going to be delivering this
the united states congress, ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor for france, for the french people and for me to be received in this sanctuary of democracy where so much of the history of the united states has been written. we are surrounded today with the p portraits and symbols which reminds us france has participated with heart in hand in the story of this great nation from the very beginning.
we have fought shult fore shelter many battles starting with those that gave birth to the united states of america. since then we have shared a common vision for humanity. our two nations are rooted in the same soil, grounded in the ideals of the american and french revolutions. we have worked together for the universal ideals of liberty, tolerance, and equal rights. and yet, this is also about our human, gutsy, personal dance throughout history. in 1778 a french philosopher and benjamin franklin met in paris. john adams tells the story after meeting, they embraced each
other in arms and kissed each other's cheeks. it can remind you something. and this morning i stand under the protective gaze of lafayette, right behind me as a brave young man he fought alongside george washington and forged a tight relationship fuelled by respect and affection. lafayette used to call himself a son of the united states. and in 1792 george washington became a son of america and france when our first republic awarded citizenship to him.
here we stand in your beautiful capital city whose plans were conceived by a french architect. the miracle of the relationship between the united states and france is that we have never lost the special bond deeply rooted not only in our history but also in our flesh. this is why i invited president trump for the first bastille day of my presidency on the 14th of july last year. today president trump's decision to offer france his first state visit to washington has a particular resonance, because it represents our history in a troubled world, and let me thank your president and the first lady for this wonderful
invitation to my wife and myself. i'm also very grateful, and i would like also to thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for welcoming me on this occasion. and i would like to especially thank you, mr. speaker, for your invitation. i want you to know how much i appreciate this unique gesture. thank you, sir. the strength of our bounds is a source of our shared ideals. this is what united us in the struggle against em imperialism.
then in a fight during the second world war. this is what united us again during the era of the threat, and now we lean on that strength to fight against terrorist groups. let us far moment transport ourselves to the past. imagine this is july 4th, 1916. back then the united states had not entered world war i, and yet, a young american poet enlisted in t enlisted. because he loved france. and freedom. this young american would fight and die on independence day.
not far from my own town after having written these words. i have rendezvous with death. the name of this young american was allen seger. a statue stands in his honor in paris. since 1776, we, the american and french people, have had a rendezvous with freedom. and with it comes sacrifices. that is why we are very honored by the presence today of robert jackson ewald. a world war ii veteran. he took part in the d-day landing. he fought for our freedom 74
years ago on behalf of france, thank you. i bow to your courage and your devotion. in recent years, our nations have suffered losses simply because of our values. and our tastes for freedom. because these values are the very ones those terrorists precisely hate. tragically, on september 11th, 2001, many americans had an
unexpected rendezvous with death. over the last five years my country in europe also experienced terrible terrorist attacks. and we shall never forget the victims, for the incredible resilience of our people in the aftermath. it is a horrific price to pay for freedom, for democracy. that's why we stand together in syria today, to fight together against the terrorist groups who seek to destroy everything for which we stand. we have encountered countless rendezvous with death because we have this constant attachment to freedom and democracy.