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demons. the photographer is for routers. we've love to see you feedback. right now more news with stephanie ruhle. i bet you didn't have to make ni noises to make your babies. >> i know my children will never forever. have a great day. good morning, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle. ali velshi is not herein a cry contest. he's on assignment. let's get started. robert mueller issuing a warning to the president. testify or else. >> call it a special counsel showdown. overnight "the washington post" reporting robert mueller raised the possibility of subpoenaing president trump to testify before a grand jury during a tense meeting in march. >> this is a real tense and slightly angry meeting. they are warning and threatening each other in legalese, and in one john doud is saying to bob
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mueller, look, you're messing with the president's work. literally he said you're screwing with the president of the united states. >> troubling new accusations made by president trump's long-time doctor in an exclusive interview with nbc news. claiming trump staffers raided his office. >> i feel raped. raped, frightened, and sad. >> as is standard operating procedure for a new president, the white house medical unit took possession of the president's medical records. >> and about the glowing letter written under bornstein's name in 2015 during the campaign that declared candidate trump's health as astonishingly excellent. concluding he'd be the healthiest ever elected to the presidency. >> he wrote it himself, and being from where i come from, the end of it was just black humor. it wasn't meant to be a serious
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comment. >> rod rosenstein says the department of justice will not be intimidated. that's after drafted articles of impeachment against him. >> there were people who have been making threats privately and publicly against me for quite some time, and i think they should understand by now the department of justice is not going to be extorted. mike pompeo addressing his department for the first time yesterday. >> to stand here and look at the most important diplomatic core in the world is enormously humbling to me. you chose to be a foreign service officer or a civil servant or to come work here in many other capacities and so do so because you're patriots and great americans and because you want to be an important part of america's face to the world. my mission is to allow you to do that and lead you. the very thing you came here to
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do. >> we begin this morning watching the state department where mike pompeo will be formally sworn in by vice president mike pence in his first visit to the state department since his inauguration last year. the ceremony will take place in the ben franklin room. t expected to be packed to capacity. pompeo is taking over for ousted rex tillerson and faces a host of issues and empty post to fill as he takes on his new role leading the united states diplomatic effort. across the globe more than two dozen ambassadorships are vacant including in key middle eastern countries another dozen have ambassadors nominated but not confirmed. among them, south korea. the new secretary of state faces questions over current policy views clashing with rhetoric in recent years. it remains to be seen with
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pompeo diplomat will be like a measured cia director or diplomatic hawk. on his to do list is the first closest to home. rebuilding a deflopleted state department. seven of the top ten positions are unfilled including overseeing arms control and human rights. during rex tillerson's brief tenure, america's diplomatic core lost dozens of career diplomats and ambassadors as morale issues plagued the department. while pompeo is working on that, he's going to have to contend with a negotiations over talks with north korea. on tuesday, president trump said the white house would announce in the next few days a location for the planned talks with kim jong-un. pompeo who visited, of course, the north as cia director will have to build trust if talks will be productive. along with those negotiations, he's going to have to handle the president's decision on the iran
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nuclear deal. despite the recent visit from european allies pushing for the president to certify the deal again, trump seems poised to cancel the agreement. if that happens, iran says it will likely abandon the deal. then there's syria where the administration is getting increasingly involved. pompeo will have to sort out any diplomatic effort to end the seven-yearlong conflict where russian influence looms large. in israel the u.s. embassy is set to open in jerusalem two weeks from now. the president is uncommitted on attending the opening. the diplomatic fallout will be pompeo's problem going forward. and anding where we started. he's going to have to regain the confidence of allies and authority withed a v adversarie. anyone's plate, and the new secretary of state cannot waste any time addressing all of this. he started on that with first
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priority being morale. he started with that on tuesday. >> i talked about getting back our swagger. and i'll fill in what i mean by that. but it's important. the united states diplomatic core needs to be in every corner, every stretch of the world, executing missions on behalf of this country, and it's my humble, noble undertaking to help you achieve that. i look forward -- >> joining me now former undersecretary of state for political affairs ambassador nicholas burns. former chief of staff to then pompeo, mike chenowith, and bobby gauche. now that he's put together a doctrine for the state department, how do you see him fixing the morale issue? it's a real issue, and they've got to get their mojo back. >> i can't tell you how he'll fix the issues, but i can tell you how he'll approach the
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problem. that's the way he approaches all problems. he digs into the facts, makes sure he has full information about what the situation is. he'll confer with trusted lieutenants, and get their input on the situation. there will be a strong give and take in that conversation. he will look to see what the problem is from different perspectives, and he'll make a decision about how to go forward and improve things. i think the fact the reputation he brings over from the cia is he left that organization with better morale than he found it is a big head start toward correct anything problems that exist at the state department. >> ambassador, we know what the state department staff wants to hear. they want to get excited. but what does pompeo need to do to turn things up? >> i think mike pompeo is off to a solid start. that was a big message yesterday
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you showed. he committed to rebuilding the department, honoring the nonpartisan work of the foreign and civil service. these are career people, not political. to fill the vacancies you showed in the leadup, the extraordinary vacancies we've had over the last year and he's shown he has a relationship with president trump of trust. you need that. our modern secretaries of state can't be powerful or effective if they don't have the ear and confidence of the president. i was encouraged by yesterday. director pompeo has been calling around to former diplomats, to currently serving diplomats. he's talked to every living secretary of state. he's done his homework. i think the rank and file of the state department are looking forward to a restoration of the power and purpose of what they do. >> even if it's for show, reaching out to every former living secretary of state is a very big deal, especially given what they came from with rex
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tillerson. bobby, let's talk about the iran nuclear deal. what are the consequences mike pompeo will have to face if president trump chooses not to recertify it. >> it will fall to him to reassure the rest of the world that this is not the united states walking away from the middle east altogether. that the u.s. still wants to work with its allies. all of the other signitaries of the bill. britain, china, germany, france, all these countries have said they want to keep the deal. he's going to have to go around putting out all the fires. it's a pretty big flaming pile of you know what to have to deal with in his first month as state department. but you know what? pompeo comes from a political background, and that gives him a certain advantage. he's used to dealing with big flaming piles of you know what. that's what politicians do. >> before mike pompeo has to deal with that aftermath, i want to share what he said just a few weeks ago. mark, take a listen. >> do you have any evidence to
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dispute the iaea assessment that iran is in full compliance with the jcpoa? >> senator, with the information i've been provided, i have no -- i've seen no evidence that they are not in compliance today. >> so if mike pompeo says a few weeks ago no evidence that they're not in compliance, should he not be spending his time right now convincing the president to stay in j and if he can't, won't it be tough? we'll have egg on our face. >> stephanie, i don't hold myself out to be a foreign policy expert. i can't tell you exactly what his approach will be, but i can tell you that his -- the conversations that he has with the president on this topic will be frank. that he will be intellectually honest with the president about what he knows and he'll do his best to bring solid information to the president and everybody else on the decision-making
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team, and you can be assured that whatever decision is made, it will be made based on the best available information, and after thorough consideration of all the relevant factors. >> ambassador, i think back to guys like gary cohn who put their hands up and left. when they gave president trump honest, valuable information, time and again, and he decided to go in a different direction. if mike pompeo presents the president with all the correct information he knows about iran, being currently compliant in the deal and president trump opts to go in a different direction, will it be difficult for him to save face? >> i think it's just the beginning of his time in office, but it's his earliest and biggest test. this is going to be a critical decision. it looks like president trump is halfway out the door. if you look what president macron said in leaving washington last week. it doesn't look like he and merkel were able to convince president trump to stay in the nuclear deal.
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this is going to be a big problem for the united states. the countries that will be most disaffected from us will be britain, france, and germany. as well as russia and china. they're all in this dwreeagreem. it's hard to see the rationale for leaving. the iranians have applied the deal to their policy. they've lived up to what they agreed to do in 2015, and it doesn't make sense in terms of our interest to pull out, because that just rewards iran. it allows iran to escape further sanctions. and it allows the iranians to go ahead if they in turn leave the deal with their nuclear efforts and the plutonium and uranium enrichment basis. it's it's hard to see how the united states profits. we're better served putting pressure on the iranians. what netanyahu announced two days ago is important. the iranians have been lying for a long time about what they're doing. we ought to use that to put
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further pressure on iran. we can do it inside the deal. we won't have the credibility outside. if the president walks away from the iran deal, it might have a negative impact on his ability to convince kim jong-un and north korea to agree to a similar deal going forward, because kim jong-un will worry that the word of the united states isn't good anymore. >> it is a great point to express that netanyahu may be correct on iran's honesty, but the only way you're going to get them to improve and play ball is if you're in that deal. the ambassador was just talking north korea. i want to share what mike pompeo had to say about north korea just last summer. >> it would be a great thing to denuclearize the peninsula to get the weapons off of it. the thing that's most dangerous is the character who holds the control over them. >> that's what he said last summer, bobby, and now just a few weeks ago he met with kim jong-un. it's gotten widely praised.
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can we pivot from regime change to negotiate? >> if the president has pithed, then he has to do -- he has to pull fill the president's agenda. whatever his personal views are on the subject. there again, his having been a politician helps. politicians now how to pivot from east to east quickly. that's the nature of their trade. this is not unusual for a state secretary of state, particularly one who comes from a political background to have, to confront the opposite of what they've said before. so, yeah, i think he has gone there now himself since those comments last month. pompeo has been to north korea. the president himself is not calling for regime change. and so pompeo is going to have to live with that. >> i want to talk about the -- they are unconfirmed reports, but there are reports that those three americans who are being held in north korea have now been transferred from labor
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cam camps. >> then we talked a great deal about what it might look like, what this complete verifiable irreversible mechanism might look like. >> while none of us can say we like how otto warn beer was returned to the united states, do you think what we've heard from mike pompeo, is this administration's diplomacy working? >> i think the administration has made a couple of positive steps on north korea. they've been able to get the chinese to exact greater sanctions pressure on north korea. president trump has stayed close to moon jae-in, the president of south korea as well as abe of japan, and i think mike pompeo is ready to talk about the detained americans. it seems to me that these americans have to be released, should be released by north korea before president trump and
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president kim jong-un meet someplace in asia in the next 30 or 40 days, and that pompeo trip was an important trip. it made sense to connect with kim jong-un. and it's a remarkable fact, stephanie, that no american official of any administration had ever met with kim jong-un until mike pompeo did. so that was a good use of diplomacy by the secretary of state designate at that time, mike pompeo. >> bobby, do the retained americans need to be returned? >> the families will be greatly reassured by being removed from the labor camp. we should hear they're getting independent medical attention so we don't have a repeat of the warmbier situation. hopefully they can communicate with their families in some way. if i'm kim jong-un, do i make the gesture before the president comes or when i see donald trump? that's going to be the question for pyongyang to address.
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from humanitarian, american perspective, they should never have been arrested and they should be released today, yesterday. >> mark, seeing that mike pompeo is more like-minded with the president than rex tillerson, and he also simply knows how to manage the president, he knows how to handle him. they get along better. will that put him in a better position to shape american diplomacy and have the president's backing? he does seem to have president's trust more than others do. >> well, i think as an asset for mike to have the president's trust. one, i think it puts him in a position -- >> i'm going to interrupt. president trump is taking the podium at the state department mike pompeo's confirmation.
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>> i must say that's more spirit than i've heard from the state department in a long time, many years. we can say many years, maybe many decades. it's going to be a fantastic start, a fantastic day. and that spirit will only be magnified with this man right here. i know that for a fact. thank you for being here. it's great to be with you, the extraordinary men and women of the state department. we're profoundly grateful for everything you do for our country, and you'll be doing things that you don't even know about. right now they're not even a glimmer in your eye, but -- and we have a couple going right now that a lot of people don't know about that are very, very encouraging. i also want to thank vice president pence and the many members of my cabinet for joining us this morning. we're hear to celebrate the swearing in of america's new
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secretary of state, mike pompeo. this day is a testament to our exceptional skill, a skill and service that's been honed over a lifetime no matter where you went. we're joined by mike's wife susan, and his sonic, and i want to thank you you both for sharing this wonderful moment with us all. thank you. mike is a true american patriot. he has devoted many years of his life to defending america, beginning when he entered west point and as you all heard, he entered at system a-- 18 and
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ended up graduating -- i hear it, i thought it was a rumor. you know, i've heard it so many times. i've also heard i was first in my class at the wharton school of finance. and sometimes when you hear it, you don't say anything. you just let it do, but i heard it with him. and being first in your class at west point, because i know, that's a big deal. i said is that true? yeah. so i started bringing it up. i brought it up about four weeks ago. right, david? after that, everybody brings it up. i don't have to say it anymore. he was actually first in his class at west point. and soon he was deployed to germany where he served a cavalry officer prior to the fall of the berlin wall. after leaving active duty service mike graduated from harvard law school with high honors. great student. he was elected to congress in 2010 by the people of the fourth district of a great state,
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kansas. right? it is. in the house he distinguished himself as a member of the intelligence committee. for the last 15 months mike served as our nation -- served our nation as the director of the central intelligence agency where they have such respect for him. it's unbelievable. they may be the only people that are not very happy right now, but they'll be happy. they'll be happy with our gina who's happy today, and his exceptional leadership of the cia earned the admiration of his colleagues in the cabinet, the congress, the intelligence community as well as our foreign allies. and partners. mike has also earned my deepest respect and admiration and trust, and you'll see why over the coming years. probably over the coming months. i have absolute confidence he'll do an incredible job as the
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nation ea nation's 70th secretary of state. he'll carry out the highest duty of the state department, to represent the interests of the american people. this mission includes overseeing more than 13,000 foreign service officers who act as our representatives to the world. 12,000 consular officers and administrator of just an incredible immigration system. a system that we've going to be changing and fixing and making better. a system that's under siege right now. but a system that will, in fact, hopefully be the talk of the world by the time we're finished. you have 3,500 security personnel and thousands more diplomats, embassy staff, civil servants and administrative personnel, all of whom collectively play a vital role in advancing the safety,
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liberty, prosperity, and all good things of the united states. very important people. great people. as president eisenhower said in 1953, make no mistake, the reason we have representatives around the world is to protect american interests. for nearly 230 years the men and women of the united states state department have skillfully and proudly answered this call. and now at this moment in time, i can think of no better person to lead these dedicated public servants than our new secretary of state, mike pompeo. secretary pompeo, congratulations again. i have no doubt that you will make america proud as our nation's chief diplomat. you're an exceptional guy, a great friend, and somebody that truly loves our country.
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we are really, really proud of you. i speak on behalf of everybody in this room, and also on behalf of your family. thank you very much, mike, and congratulations. >> now i'd like to ask vice president pence to administer the oath of office. thank you.
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>> raise royour right hand. i michael pompeo do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that i take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. and thatly well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which i am about to enter. so help me god. >> congratulations.
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>> this is truly humbling. thank you very much, mr. president, for those kind words. thank you, mr. vice president, for being here today to honor me by swearing me in. thank you, ambassador, i used to work for ambassador glenden for $7.50 an hour. it is a great honor to have so many distinguished guests, including my former colleagues in congress and cabinet secretaries. thank you for coming today. i was excited to see mark green. i look forward to working with you. i want to first thank god for this opportunity and for the many blessings he's granted to
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me in my life. my wife susan and my son, nick are two of the greatest of these. they are my number one fans most days, and they have shown unyielding support to me throughout my confirmation process and in every other stage in my public service career. i love you both very, very much. i want to thank john sullivan, secretary sullivan. where's john ? john, thank you for your service in this interim period. mr. president, i always want to say thank you to you. you have entrusted me with a awesome responsibility to serve the american people. first as the director of the cia and now has the secretary of
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state. this is more sobering when we consider the threats to american prosperity and our liberty. mr. president, i promise my team will be unrelenting in confronting the threats. we will employ tough diplomacy when necessary to put the interest of the american people first. ly work to ensure their safety to preserve their rights and defend their values. and i will make sure america is always a respected and principled leader on the world stage. we are but 15 months into this administration, and we've already made an outstanding progress by speaking the truth about the challenges we face, by confronting them head on. by partnering with strong sovereign independent nations to make america and the world more prosperous and secure. we've put a hurt on the isis caliphate in iraq and syria. we've done so by a great
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diplomatic work. we're confronting all types of iranian hostility and are deciding on the next steps for the flawed jvaoa. we will soon move our embassy in israel to jerusalem years ahead of schedule. we are bringing fairness and reciprocity to our economic relationship with china and protecting our implntellectual property from them as well. we saw last week we continue to uphold the strength thing our time honored alliances. but there's one more thing. right now we have an unpreced t unprecedented opportunity to change the course of history on the korean peninsula. we're in the beginning stages of the work.
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and the outcome is yet unknown. but one thing is certain. this administration will not repeat the mistakes of the past. our eyes are wide open. it's time to solve this once and for all. a bad deal is not an option. the american people are counting on us to get this right. we are committed to the permanent verifiable irreversible dismantling of north korea's missile program. when i say we're going to do this, i mean we. this is a team effort at the state department and the whole of the united states government. mr. president, when you offered me the job to be the director of cia, i was honored to lead the world's finest intelligence administration, and i'm incredibly honored to lead the world's finest diplomatic corps now. mr. president, you read a great
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quote from the greatest president ever from kansas. it was a historic quote, but frankly, things haven't changed much since then. i'm been an army officer, a director of the officer, a congressman, now here at state. we have much to do. but in every position i've had, i've witnessed the skills, expertise and patriotism of our foreign affairs officials. you all lay it on the line to make sure that america is safe and prosperous and free. thank you for that. i want the state department get our swagger back. we need to execute diplomacy with vigor.
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we should be proud. and i'm counting on you all to help communicate in every corner of the world. mr. president, i have full confidence that my team here in washington and around the world under your leadership can and will execute that mission for the benefit of the american people. and i'm eager to work with you all to get that job done. you all know this is essential work. that's why you're here. it's why i'm here. i look forward to doing this together. thank you all so much for the warm welcome i have received in these first days. i can't wait to get after this with you. thank you again, mr. president, for your trust and your leadership and your faith in me. thank you.
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>> and there you have it. president trump now leaving the stage. i want to bring bobby gauche back in. all the right messaging, the right tone from mike pompeo. >> and far more important than the messaging is the optics. the presence of the president and the vice president behind him. this is trump telling the state department and telling the world, pompeo is my guy. this was important especially after the sort of the way he dealt with tillerson. the way he dealt with mcmaster, where he was contradicting where he was saying. it was a big signal being sent out standing behind him. but, and there's always a but, we'll know when the rubber hits the road. when the first time pompeo recognizing the realities of his job finds himself in a place
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saying something that contradicts what the president says. how they behave when that happens, that's when we'll know how close they are. or when the president overrules him and says something in public that contradicts what pompeo says. does pompeo move the president quietly closer to his position or simply agree with the president? that's when we'll understand how much power this secretary of state has. >> i just think back to when rex tillerson was first holding the position, sort of that shadow secretary of state role that president trump put jared kushner in. when was the last time you heard president trump talk about jared kushner? no longer does mike pompeo have the overhang of the president's son-in-law looming about in charge of peace in the middle east and china and about 16 other action items. >> and pompeo in the last couple
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of weeks has gone into the middle east. i think he is staking out his territory. he's letting the middle east know, i'm the new guy. i have the president behind me. i'm the guy you need to be talking to. that's important, too. we can't have amateurs. you need professionals, and his invocation of the professionalism of the state department is important. >> indeed it was. mike pompeo, good luck to you. >> bobby, thank you. we're getting closer and closer to a possible mueller/trump sit-down in the russia investigation. here's a question. what if trump's lawyers do not even have the necessary security clearances? that's where we are, to handle the case. we're going to dig into that when we come back. te to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications.
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welcome back. we're learning details about the questions bob mueller could ask the president in a sit-down interview. the list was allegedly compiled after a strained meeting between the special counsel and the president's team based on subjects investigators wanted to discuss. in that meeting two months ago, special counsel also raised the idea of issuing a subpoena for the president's testimony before a grand jury. reportedly, contending the president would have to comply.
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then trump attorney reportedly shot back, this isn't some game. you're screwing with the work of the president of the united states. when asked for to comment, doud responded, i think it's right. and now that doud is off the team, there's new reports his current roster of lawyers don't have the necessary security clearances to discuss sensitive issues with the spshl counsel. it's a lot to get through. joining me now, former u.s. assistant attorney for the southern district of new york, and also robert anderson. robert, to you first, walk me through the importance of having security clearance. for me, i don't know the difference. >> well, there's different levels of security clearances depending on the information you're going to be brought into or see. it's not unusual, quite frankly, in counterintelligence or espionage investigations for defense counsels not to have the appropriate clearances. so what they'll do is go through
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process where they go through the information they need the counsel to review before they present it to their client. they go through an interim security process which grants them the access to see the information. with the caveat that the counsels have to be able to pass the security clearance process to obtain the clearance. >> how important are these answers from the president? >> well, that's really what we don't know here. on the one hand bob mueller clearly needs to talk to him to wrap it up. but he may not need it. he may have all he needs and it may just be an opportunity for the president to give his side. robert mueller wants to be fair and give the american president the chance to speak his peace. it's unclear. >> robert, you worked for bob mueller. john doud says this is not a joke. you can't screw with the work of the president. is bob muler the kind of guy who -- bob mueller the kind of guy that would be joking around. from the outside at times it
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looks slow. at other times it's exploding with witnesses. take me inside director mueller's work process. >> i can tell you that bob was the second of three directors i've worked for. the entire time he was our director, i was working either in us sp-- espionage. there's no doubt everything he's done so far in his investigation, may i add with an unbelievable team of prosecuters and attorneys that are working with him, is very methodical in nature. he's going about this investigation which i've seen him do and briefed him on many times over the years. i think the fact that he would'ven bring that up is -- even bring that up is letting the defense counsel know he's serious. if he's taking that as a joke, that's a bad move. >> it is a dark day for our country when the president has a special investigation, when he could be subpoenaed. the last time a president gave
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grand jury testimony was president clinton 20 years ago. a very dark moment in our cultural history. take a listen. >> when i was alone with miss lun swi in certain occasions in early 1996, and once in early 1997 i engaged in conduct that was wrong. these encounters did not consist of sexual intercourse. they did not constitute sexual relations as i understood that term to be defined at my january 17th, 1998, deposition. but they did involve inappropriate intimate contact. >> it's hard, and it's sad to watch a president of the united states carefully parse their words to carefully answer questions to ensure they don't get in trouble.
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is that the position president trump's lawyers are in right now? ensuring that president trump who as you know lets it rip methodically parsed his words as did bill clinton? >> exactly. bill clinton is brilliant and a lawyer. donald trump is not a lawyer and not always careful with his words. that's what his lawyers are concerned about, i think. that he will not parse. he will not be careful. he'll just speak, and that's a real problem for him. >> i don't know. in my heart of hearts, bill clinton parsing his words seemed pretty terrible. >> agreed. agreed. and trump won't, and that's likely terrible for him too. >> my goodness. all right. thank you both. this story is not going away. jennifer and robert, we're going to take a break. next an nbc news bizarre exclusive. president trump's long-time doctor says president trump dictated a glowing letter about his own health. here's the issue. i don't think this is a trump issue. this is the doctor's issue. the doctor signed his name to
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new revelations by president trump's former doctor are raising serious questions on several months this morning, or weird ones. dr. harold bornstein who treated trump for more than 25 years said three men raided his office two weeks after the inauguration and he says the men took the president's medical records. the men allegedly including trump's former body guard, the top lawyer from the troump organization, and a third unidentified man. the doctor says in an exclusive they showed up unannounced, 7:00 a.m. the whole thing scary and chaotic. >> i feel raped. that's how i feel. raped, frightened, and sad. >> we should note he did not contact the police when it happened. but just moments ago allen
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garden, one of the men who took part released this statement. at the request of the white house dr. bornstein voluntarily turned over the medical records. the handoff which occurred well júur:u&z7,,,wcw7k]],wcw7kww7kwc]
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medical society should chastise him. this is fraudulent. he is signing something that he was not really party to.
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>> isn't the doctor more culpable than president trump. rather or not it's silly for the president to write the letter. if someone is signing off on my conduct or health and i can draft it to make myself seem like a super star, i can do that the. what would prevent me from doing that is a licensed medical professional. they would kick me right out the window. >> trump is trump. he would write ta kind of a lha letter. the doctor has disgraced himself. i think it demands some kind of an investigation to see whether he should be chastised publicly by the medical society. document like that is an official document. a medical statement like that is not to be treated in such a fashion. >> who owns medical records? could i go to my doctor's office. let's say i don't break in but
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can i say i'd like to take all my stuff. >> you can do that but in my situation, what i would have done is made a total copy of the medical record so if they wanted the original, they could have the original but i would have a copy. medical records can sometimes have implications much later in life and you want to know that you have access to those records. if a copy was made, that's fine. patient can come into the aufts and say i want to read my medical record and that's their right. they can have a copy or the original. a copy should be maintained in the office so a physician always has access to that information. >> i'm confused with why this story came forward. why the doctor came forward now. bor bornstein said he is coming forward because of the scandal
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surrounding dr. ronnie jackson. i know what he has to do with that. maybe his feelings are hurt that president trump didn't choose to take him to the white house. i know you did not work directly with ronnie jackson but have you ever heard anything about his conduct, his history, his behavior given all that's happened in the last week. >> this was not news to me. i remember at least a year, year and a half ago reading the fact that a statement was made that dr. bornstein took dictation from trump. this was not news to me. i'm not quite sure why now it became new news. i had known of this at least a year ago. all i do is read the newspapers. >> all right. thanks so much. i appreciate your time today. >> thank you. a military cargo plane has crashed at the state of georgia. there's no word on how many people are on board. any possibility injuries.
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a group of central americans seeking asylum in the united states. u.s. border patrol has processed 28 people from the group since monday but dozens more have been waiting for days in makeshift camp outside in the cold and rain on the u.s.-mexico border. vice president mike pence spoke about them last night in arizona calling them victims of open border political activists and the agenda driven media. he praised one audience member. the former sheriff and current state candidate joe arpaio. listen. >> great friend of this president. a tireless champion of strong border, spent a lifetime in law enforcement, sheriff joe arpaio. i'm honored to have you here.
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>> arpaio was convicted of contempt of court after he refused to stop racially profiling latinos in his law enforcement work. he was pardoned by president trump before he was sentenced. con sefbtiservatives say it's depressing and the decline of mike pence. he simply said come on. thank you for watching "velshi & ruhle." i hand you off to andrea mitchell. right now, hardball. robert mueller reportedly warning the trump legal team if the president will not agree to an interview he could be subpoenaed. this has the president escalates his twitter attack against rod rosenstein who told trump protectors in congress demanding documents on the russia probe to back off. >> there are people who have been making threat, privately and publicin

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