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t today we learned freed up now to focus on representing the president in the russia investigation. nbc news quotes, partners said they had enough. and in a phone interview thursday giuliani said when he took on the role as the president's lawyer he thought it would be part-time and quick and realize he couldn't jump in and out. giuliani prepares to spend all of his time on robert mueller russia investigation. >> it's been about a year since the investigation began and our administration provided over a million documents.
fully cooperated and in the interest of the country, i think it is time to wrap it up. and i would respectfully encourage the special counsel and his time to bring their work to completion. >> the comments come -- "the washington post" reporting that congressman mark meadows to audit the office of special counsel mueller. requests to appear to be calibrated to force the disclosure of a memo of the scope of the investigation. meadow's believes the audit is required under federal law and could not be completed without a copy of the memo written by deputy attorney rod rosenstein
this memo turned into a flash point between the justice department and including memos and other members of the freedom caucus. between russia and the trump campaign. let's bring our lead off panel. michael smith pulitzer prize winner. former federal prosecutor at the justice department and daniel, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. welcome to you all and michael, you lead the way today on this reporting on the giuliani matter. talk to us more about this decision to as they say spend more time with his client. >> i think there were concerns at the firm about giuliani. many law firms over the past few months have discouraged their lawyers from representing the
president. they realized they may have difficulties with that. on top of having an internal issue, there's an issue, the firm practiced in ways that they do not. this is something that bothered firm. what we had was them parting ways. giuliani going off on his own to represent the president. giuliani did make it a point to say this is not anything. this issue about how he described the payments was not something that the firm raised with him directly. it is not something they brought to his attention and said the reason they were getting rid of him. at the same time they have parted ways. >> how has giuliani made things worst? >> i think he embarrassed himself by jumping into this without working with his colleagues at the white house and saying the president was a
lawyer because the president did know about the payoff and announcing, it would be a campaign violation if it came nup the campaign. suggested that perhaps, there was other payoffs and embarrassed his firm. here is the problem. you can't make payments without telling your clients and the funny part is that i'm sure in the white house, they are saying great, he can work full time with us because the last two weeks is an disaster. >> after all, they have a partner from williams and conly who moved his stuff from the office to the white house
faulti falsely assuming he was going to be the lead lawyer. >> a huge mistake. >> daniel, welcome back. mr. avenatti the big document release that got a lot of news attention, has that harmed, not him but the investigation the one mueller is conducting or your old shop the southern district of new york? >> it remains to be seen. the one way i think it could potentially harm, we know several of the companies met with the informs gators and process cue tors. now, they're in the public eye and the heat of the press and those statements may or may not add up or be good publicity and
there is the potential as they are measuring the reaction that they change tack a little bit and have a different explanation to so then you have inconsistent statements and as a witness that's the worst thing you can have and makes you almost unusable. we don't know what they told the inve investigators and if there's a difference between the two it could be problematic. >> john kelly gave an interview for npr. we don't have audio until it airs. here is a portion of what he said. something that has gone on this long without any real meat on the bone it suggests to me there is nothing there relative to our president. it may not be a cloud but certainly the president is you know, some what embarrassed when world leaders come in it is like
netanyahu is here and are he under investigation himself and you walk in and the first couple of minutes of every conversation might revolve around that kind of thing. they had to check the record again because this white house is not known to do embarrassment. >> the thing that stuck out to me and my colleague, the president doesn't look the idea of being embarrassed and here kelly is talking that and the president being embarrassed. i don't think that is going to be something that sits well with him. he doesn't like the humiliation of the investigation and to hear his chief of staff say that will unnever him. kelly highlights a real issue with world leaders come in and want to ask him about this and
what is going on with this? will you still be here? the president believes this gets in his way of representing the country on the international stage and that bothers him because he thinks this is the in back of the heads of the foreign leaders he is speaking with. acknowledging the problems that the problem contend with on the international stage. >> both rude yes and i pence made similar points to mueller saying some form of let's wrap this up. there was mike pence with andrea mitchell and a pained expression on his face and people ran, richard nixon on tape saying a year of water gate is enough. after hearing former mayor rudy giuliani make a similar point i want to listen to our friend
matth matth matthew dowd. >> one thing rudy giuliani said and many of the people who support donald trump, there is nothing here, we ought to get it over with. there was zero indictments, clinton e-mail scandal, zero inindictments. this is a 14 month investigation, 23 indictments. this is way far and above beyond what happened in this -- >> cynthia is that in line with your thinking. >> that is. my hunch is that it's going to be difficult to wrap this up. there are a lot to do and details to be uncovered and discovered. and then once all of the investigation is done it has to be written up and i don't believe that can happen before the midterms and i do not think
that mueller will issue a report before the midterms. >> in law and media, to ask whether you think the mueller investigation or the southern district investigation of cohen which one is a danger tore the presidency? >> i don't know. i don't think they are independent necessarily of each other. just because the mueller team handed over and rosenstein this search warrant to the u.s. attorney's office if not course of that search there are things relevant to the investigation. they will go back to him. they work together.
>> this is tough to explain, the effort to expose the memorandum in washington by republicans who are part of the freedom caucus why is this important to you. >> this is important because it is part of an effort by some of the house represents who atrump supporters. and they are -- asked the department of justice directly and they said no. because it is part of an on going investigation which is a confidential matter that is not shared with congress and should not be shared with congress. there is talk of trying to do an end run around doj and force them to disclose this when you read the article that you referenced at the top of the show. somehow the american public thinks we should figure out what
is going on with russian collusion but nothing more. i would ask the house republicans who are making a partisan effort to undermine the investigation by exposing the memo to target the informs allegation to witnesses. i would ask if they would like to know if the president or members of the campaign or administration committed other crimes such as bribery. is that not something that the american people would want to know. it is flawed and -- we know that -- so it is really a way to undermine the foundations of our criminal justice system and the investigation that's going on and it should be getting more attention and it should be get be more reaction. >> michael, what are you looking for next. a lot of this falls into our
lap, what are you looking for? >> the big question hanging over the president, the most pressing question is on the interview. you find it hard to believe that the president is going to voluntarily go in and do that. i don't think that giuliani think it is is a good idea. he understands the difficulty that process. even if the president wants to. what that will set up is mueller will have to make a decision. is he going to subpoena the president to testify about a grand jury and that will be a call to make and if he does that. it will be something that goes to go to the supreme court. when could mueller do that and when would mueller do that? what accusations would he get for trying to interfere with the president? would people say it is unfair because the president is going off to try to make a deal with
north korea? if he did it in august, september or october is that too close to the election. those are tough calls to make. >> it is quite possible i have been watching too much television but i have a hypothetical question for you. is mueller the kind of person and a find of federal investigation that they can go to the and the say your daughter and son-in-law are in a certain amount of legal peril and lay it out and use that as incentive to bring the president in for a conversation. >> you could be watching too much television. >> i laid that out as a possibility. >> i don't think so. i think somehow mueller will find or try to thread the needle and find the right time. the president eventually, serve his fifth amendment right.
>> maybe i should watch better television. did you have a last word? >> i think all of this stuff with the posturing by giuliani is maybe a negotiating tactic to narrow the scope of a interview. -- than to potentially be subject to grand jury testimony. >> good to get that in. thank you to our guests for being part of our conversation. a break for us and how the president's anger not getting what he wants almost caused a resignation on the cabinet. and this weeks vis ration with the vice president and heavenly gaze. we'll show you the mike pence take down in print and on air when we continue.
>> to me probably one of the reasons we are here in this great victory celebration is border security. we have many things to do but we have already begun the construction of the wall and so many other things are following. we will have those borders extremely strong and powerful and we will have laws that match
the border. >> point of order, the truks of the wall he keeps talking about is a scheduled plan reconstruction of the wall no new wall instruction under way as of yet. the president tonight in indiana. his frustration with his signature campaign promise -- told colleagues she was close to resigning after he said was her failure to adequately secure the nation's borders according to several -- viewed the president's rant as directed mostly at her and told associates after the meeting
that she should not continue in the job if he did not view her as effective. one person close to her said she is miserable in her job. after the "times" story published. here to talk about it. msnbc political analyst and white house editor and white house reporter for politico. is there a case of misdirected anger at congress for not funding the signature program? >> it is interesting, you heard him talk about this and talk about this a lot in weeks. his frustration that congress didn't come forward. his frustration that his department of homeland security
has not been tough enough and his sense that the borders are -- crossings had gone down substantially after he took office and he was proud of that. they have been going up again and that stras -- frustrated him. she become the focus in recent day this is that cabinet meeting on wednesday. she's in charge and she hasn't been doing the job aggressively enough. >> your newspaper plays close aattention to this issue. the construction was planned and a long roll out. >> well, not only bears repeating. the paper consistently coming
out and saying no, it is a schedule repair of a long existing fence at the border. if i could agree with my former colleague peter there about the fact that none of this really gotten under way yet and the if i could put it in perspective, the president, the white house put forward $15 billion worth of rescissions as a sign that it is fiscally conservative and get the deaf fits down which is a rounding area. 15 billion, if they are going to cut it from the budget, he is complaining for not getting 25 billion for the border wall. it is an expense that congress is -- and it doesn't get to the feasibility of this. >> the reporting from that
cabinet meeting and they have a quote that the president said out loud, why don't you have solutions? how is this still happening? he asked adding later, we need to shut it down. we're closed, meaning the border. meaning editorial cartoonist scrambling to put we're closed at the pedestal at the statue of liberty. no date. is this core donald trump or what we are hearing channelled core steven miller and maybe others? >> i think it is core donald trump through and through. this is one of the messages he has been consistent on and animated. he talked about immigration and illegal immigration after he came down the escalator and talked about it ever since. he loves to talk about the wall. so i don't think it is a
surprise to get riled up over the issue. he almosted vetoed the whole omnibus funding over not having enough money for the wall. when running a relatively small company, he can yell at somebody and getting it in line, yelling at your director of homeland security doesn't make anything better and made the relationship worse and almost lead to another cabinet vacancy. which is the last thing they need. >> let's run a clip of what happened on fox business earlier today. the subject is john mccain and torture. >> she can't use it anymore because it is -- we have determined in congress it is not
legal. john mccain, it worked. we called him song bird zwaan. those methods can work and it is effective -- >> the host of that hour on fox business has apologized for that comment being made on his air at all. he said he couldn't hear it live because they were talking in his ear. this is what "the hill" is reporting. mocked it the day after the opposition to president's trump nominee to cia director. special assistant made the comments about two dozen communication staffers on thursday morning. it doesn't matter, he is dying anyway. according to a source familiar with the remarks at the meeting. peter, i don't know what my question is other than when did
we become this? when did this become okay to have in the public dialogue? >> let's remember, it was donald trump himself who said in the 2016 election campaign he didn't particularly think much of john mccain and didn't think he was a war hero. he likes the one who didn't get captured. everybody thought at the time such on offensive idea would have been the end of donald trump's campaign. attacking a prisoner war. spent 5 years being tortured. and he got elected and people moved on. we see this happening today, the similar comments and it does say something about the nature of the debate today at a moment john mccain is -- as he faces this challenge and towards his
health and to the end of his life. >> it is possible that archaeologists will trace the death of class to 2017 or 2018. it is also likely that cindy mccain opted a pure class in tweeting back at kelly sad ler, she says, simply, may i reen mind you my husband has a family. seven children and five grandchildren. yet jackie here we are having this discussion. >> the end of class and civility. i'm glad you showed the tape, because there's been so much attention to the young communication staffer at the white house i thought, man, age and stature he should know better. it was a heinous slander he said on the air. which has been found to be pants on fire false by fact checkers and for kelly, i don't know her
and for all this talk of her that she should be fired. i'm puzzled when the tone is set by the man at the top. you don't have to go back to comments he made, it is a stap l of his appearances on the stump these days, he will make a comment getting his crowd, remember that one vote that thumbs down on the health healthcare bill. we would have had the obamacare repealed and other than that one vote and he knows it is john mccain and the man is there in arizona dying of cancer. >> we'll shift the topic to the vice president among others when we come back.
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there and never would have happened without the leadership of president donald trump. >> the vice president from the rally. mielk pence accused of playing a character. his bearing and facial expression, pie yus and permanently pained looking. remember, george bush, 41 wanted to be seen as a texas oil wildcatter. and a family of towering welt. his fon affected a cowboy persona. people shifted their focus ahead to mike pence, the attention he is getting a blistering take down from conservative media.
in an article headline, trump is no longer the worst person in government, pence is the authentic voice offed to's lick spittle republican party and he clarifies this year's elections. vote republicans to ratify, trump is what he is, floundering inarticulate -- pence is what he has chosen to be which is horrifying. bringing back our panelists. matthew, you covered him. before i ask you about him. let's look at the kim jong-un style cabinet meeting when pence spoke as they went around the table. >> thank you for seeing through course of this year an agenda that truly is restoring this country. you've spurred an optimism in
the country that is setting records. i'm deeply humble as your vice president to be here. i want to thank you for fighting of the forgotten men and women of america. >> matthew, a number of people come away saying he is not of this world. who is mike pence in your view? >> well t is hard to say. the flattery are such a constant and they have been since he was named donald trump's ticket in ja july 16. the cadences and lines, they are all the same. he is on repeat and sticks to the script and makes sure he is always praising president trump. who is mike pence? i don't know. he doesn't really seem to have core convictions or beliefs beyond whatever donald trump
decided. he used to be for the trance pacific partnership and on the campaign trail defended it as extreme vetting. he is whatever donald trump wants h wants him to be and people see him phoney. he and his staffers work so hard to seem loyal to trump and the rest of us -- >> one thing he is -- he was one of us and started life as a radio talk show host. george will takedown how big of an audience does that speak of. >> you know, i have to think that this stung mike pence, you wouldn't have known it from the remarks he made at the raylly.
i remember mike pence when he came to the house of representatives in 2001 and established hymn as an independent voice. ultimately -- and striking this balance trying to be the man that will inherit the mantle of trump at the expense of his own persona, he used to have one and taken the nancy reagan on steroids and coupled that with these words that made him a laughing stock. and when george will speaks, he pays attention. >> peter baker what is the value of mike pence if you're donald trump? >> yeah, that's a great question. look, there are two kinds of vice presidents, those accused of out for themselves and nursing their own ambitions they are not serving the president
who picked them and those who are slavishly loyal and he decided to be the ladder. seemed ultimate loyal. despite his own history of his views and i think he's calculated that he wants to inherit the trump base and back kaj. for trump, you get validation and somebody to flatter you. that means something to this president and the two of them stayed tightly wound together as a team that will last as the tensions of these coming months emerge. we'll see. there's a lot of big thipgs coming up that might test. >> it it is worth tuning in until our last segment on the broadcast. we are going to hear out steef
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jong-un taking place if singapore on june 12th. they that longed him for the excellent care he took care of the prisoners. the high risk high reward operating. drawn to big moments and bigger headlines, trump views the north korea summit as a legacy maker believing that the combination of his charm has lead to warmer relations to north and south. rick stengel and an nbc political analyst. this is a theory of go big or go home. we don't know going into it that they were going to consider
doing away with that. >> there's the old business that applies to diplomacy, underpromise and over deliver. donald trump does the opposite. he set the bar so high t. is set at denuclearization of the korean peninsula. that would be an ultimate goal, fantastic goal. >> do you see it happening? >> you find it had hard to imagine that kim would go all the way with denuclearization. i mean, he looks at what happened to libya and kadafi and other people who have given up their weapons. his nuclear weapons got him to the table. >> they have citizens eating dirt so he can afford a nuclear program that gives him his relevance in the world. it is an incentive to have a peace agreement and president moon gave him the plan of where
rail ways can connect the two countries. he would like that. he doesn't want his people to be eating dirt, i don't know if he can go whole holing and denuclearize. that is so -- iran went so far. got 98% and allowed the most strict inspection agency in the world. i think it would be fantastic agreed to the same as the iranians. >> iran has four hostages. since your a communication guy, i want to play some things that he said about kim jong-un. >> we want to thank kim jong-un who was excellent to these three incredible people. he was nice in letting them go before the meeting. frankly, we didn't think it was going to happen and it did.
>> as you and i have discussed and i say this -- kim jong-un craves relevance and recognition do you think the president would you say told to talk him up or doesn't know how in the past we have referred to this man. >> the president doesn't have a continuum on how he describes people. the greatest person who ever lives or the the worst. no in between. he doesn't have -- not capable of dap lowmatic language and to use restraint. maybe it has a positive effect. i don't know. we can't predict anything about kim. one thing we didn't prodisabilipredict this. his image changed radically in just a few months.
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democrats like sleeping joe. >> today he reupped one of his favorite put downs. he wrote on twitter, senator crying chuck schumer fought hard going after it and voted against it and went onto attack comey because it is thursday. he feared back in an internet strolling fashion. be best. schumer was referencing melania's campaign. >> mrs. prum believes that children should be both seen and heard and our responsibility to educate and enforce to them if
normal but he is in the news this week in part for telling andrea mitchell that it is time to wrap up the mueller investigation and the column by george will that carries the head lean, trump is no longer the worst person in government and to repeat the thesis sentence, trump is what he is, a floundering inarticulate jumpable of gnawing insecurities and not at all and pence and what she chose to be which is horrifying and that was nothing compared to what happened in this studio shortly before 5:00 p.m. eastern time today, nicole wallace asked schmitt about a operative --
>> he is a titanic fraud. we have listened to this guy for many years in this country on his moral high horse. assaulting the dignity of gave peopl -- gay people. across the board. he is the most obsequious of all in the cabinet. speaking of trump in front of trump and mike pence compliments on an average every 3.2 seconds. we have never seen such slobberi slobbering civility than we do with michael pence and donald trump. it is amazing. >> steve schmitt, ladies and gentlemen and with that our broadcast on a thursday night.
good night from nbc headquarters here in new york. tonight on "all in" -- the president weighs in n his attorney's secret slush fund. >> he was selling access to the highest office in the land, at best that's what he was doing. >> tonight why the best case scenario for president trump's lawyer is looking less and less likely. then as the white house echoes a former president -- >> i think it's time to wrap it up. >> one year of watergate is enough. >> -- the latest devin nunes trick to stop mueller. >> i like shelden a lot. what to expect as the time and place for the summit with kim jong-un are now set.