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tie the knot on saturday. today we have a chance to see last minute rehearsals and guess who will be there tomorrow? yours truly reporting live right here and on the big day saturday starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern. i have my royal donuts ready. i will see you on the other side of the pond. that wraps us up this hour. i will see you at 11:00. how did you score that boondogg boondoggle? >> i will be watching you with kristin welker at my house. >> katy tur and i will be blowing you a kiss. every week you know is a wild ride in washington. today marks one year since the start of the ride the president likes the least. 365 days since the russia investigation began. congrats america as we look at new questions about the whole thing like can special counsel indict a sitting president.
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rudy giuliani tells me the office tells him the answer is no. the office is not commenting publically. donald trump confirms financial filin filings. maybe more revelations to come. >> as the evidence rules out disclosures will be made that my client is not alone as it relates to these payments. >> the west coast versus the west wing. president trump taking on california calling some people who cross the border illegally animals. the context you need to know and what california's governor has to say coming up. we start with the russia investigation. while it is a mark on the calendar, it is not an ending. robert mueller has no deadline. today does give us an opportunity to put the past year into context and talk about what is next. within the past 18 hours we have
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seen enough news to make your head spin. here is the deal. overnight rudy giuliani's dropping a bomb with an acknowledgment that they would not could not indict the president. who said what to who? here is giuliani this morning. >> i asked specifically if they realized or acknowledged that they didn't have the power to indict. he wouldn't answer. one of the assistants said they acknowledged they had to be bound by justice department policies. the next day or the day after they clarified it that they didn't have the power to indict. >> so that's rudy. and another lawyer. he set up the stormy daniels payment, michael cohen. a new report this morning saying some financial records are missing. i want to start with kristin welker at the white house.
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if the president is celebrating robert mueller's year versity they are doing so sarcastically. >> reporter: using this date to take fresh aim at the special counsel investigation. a couple of tweets today. here is the latest one. just got this one moments ago writing despite the disgusting illegal and unwarranted witch hunt we have had the successful first 17 month in history by far. that's the way it is. this one earlier today which came in in which he referred to it as witch hunt. we are now into the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history and there is still nocollusion and no obstruction. the only done was that dpun by democrats who were unable to win an election despite spending far more money. taking a look by the numbers if you want to go past the year anniversary, 41 times the president has tweeted about a witch hunt, referred to a witch
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hunt. 55 mentions of collusion. of course, he always says there has been no collusion. i anticipate we will hear that type of language only intensify given we hit the one year mark. you heard this from rudy giuliani including in your conversation with him which is this focus on the fact that this investigation dragging out could be hurting the president's ability to do his job. number two, they want to see this wrapped up quickly. wrap it up is what he said to you. of course, that sort of echoes what we have heard consistently that they want this to be wrapped up as soon as possible. ty cob who resigned leading the legal matters here had told the president this would be wrapped up by the end of the year. increasingly this is getting under the president's skin. big outstanding question is will the president be more likely to do an interview if robert mueller told giuliani that he
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knows the president can't be indicted? there is no indication that that is the case. just sitting for an interview with robert mueller could expose him to all sorts of jeopardy. >> we'll see you in a little bit. i want to bring in a rock star team. carol lee, "new york times" reporter michael schmidt and white house reporter for the associated press katherine lucy. star power in this room. thank you all for being here. i will give you a grab bag first for this one. we want to talk through the five things that robert mueller has been looking into over the past year. russian interference. you have financial dealings from a lot of people who are involved in this. campaign coordination or potential between trump campaign and russia, transition contacts and obstruction of justice. take your pick, what do you think we have seen the most fruitful production of from robert mueller in the last year and what is next for him?
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>> i think publically we have seen a lot of activity around or at least we know more about what he is looking into in terms of obstruction and a little bit about what he is doing in terms of the people who have been indicted or have cut plea deals. we know that he is looking into the financial pieces and some of the collusion pieces. i think broadly speaking we just don't know so much so it is really hard to say. i think every time we learn something new i think you can summarize there is a ton more out there that we don't know. i feel like we really have no idea. >> your team tried to get into sort of secretive origins of this year looking back at ins and outs of cross fire hurricane. explain that. >> that is the sort of code name that the fbi came up with in the summer of 2016 when this all
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started. the clinton e-mail investigation had just ended. they had learned about george pop yiannopoulos who had learned about e-mails. the fbi opens up the investigation. they realize very early on that this is not something they will solve by election day and try to figure out how to navigate such a complex investigation amid a political campaign that is obviously so intent. >> and a campaign now of public pressure, you could call it from the president's legal team. he clearly has been pushing this message since the day after the investigation started that it is a witch hunt, fake, not real, not legitimate. here is a little bit of the president from the day after the special counsel investigation was announced right up until this month. >> i respect the move but the entire thing has been a witch hunt. there is no collusion between myself and my campaign but i can always speak for myself and the
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russians zero there was no collusion. even my enemies have said there is no collusion. no collusion. no obstruction. so they are investigating something that never happened. when you have done nothing wrong let's be open and get it over with because honestly it is very, very bad for our country. it is making our country look foolish. it's called a witch hunt. why didn't i just fire mueller? i think it is a disgrace what is going on. we'll see what happens. >> remarkably consistent message. here is the thing. there has been no assessment on collusion or obstruction from special counsel. at this point we don't know. >> we don't really know the full scale of this. one thing i think is really fascinating is that every time we learn about something we quickly learn that mueller has been there weeks, months, a long time ago. last week when we learned about some of these dealings between michael cohen the president's
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personal attorney and businesses he had contracted with during the transition and during the early days of the administration we then learned that mueller's team has talked to some of these companies. >> he is a step ahead of everybody. >> so for rudy giuliani and vice president pence and everyone else in the president's orbit who is urging special counsel to wrap this up i think will be disappointed and by historical standards one year of special counsel is not particularly long. so i think anybody in the white house in the administration and close to the president who expects this to end soon is going to be in for a disappointing conclusion. >> you and i had this conversation when we were reporting out the comments about this is going to be over and telling the president over by the end of the year. we were like that is not realistic. he is telling the president something simply not likely to happen. >> it was never realistic. i think if you look at the way
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the president and his team are approaching this it is like a political campaign in the sense that they set up the opponent and the russia investigation is the opponent. if it is true that mueller thinks he cannot indict the president then it does become largely political. he is basically set the tone in terms of defining it for the public. >> i would be curious as to what your reporting is saying as it relates to the possibility of the president sitting down for robert mueller. giuliani said as of that afternoon 5:00 p.m. they walked out of the meeting, the legal team and had not made the assessment. he goes on fox and says the president wants to. what do you see happening? >> you have to wonder whether they are stalling. these negotiations had gone on since at least as far back as december. the president's lawyers know exactly what mueller wants to ask the president about. they know what the issues are at hand. they know what other witnesses have said and know the documents that mueller has.
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what is it? why is it that they are unwilling to do this? then mueller will ultimately have to make the decision. does he subpoena the president? that will set off a real fight, a legal fight that would probably go to the supreme court. the court would have to decide whether the president can be compelled to sit. >> all of this is happening. it's not really a sidenote in any other news cycle would be a headline is the financial disclosure forms filed. new information coming out talking about michael cohen, the president's long-time lawyer who is at the center of this stormy daniels' payment. i want to talk about all of this. i want to start with playing what stormy daniels' lawyer had to say about the payment that the president disclosed in the forms for the first time in this disclosure yesterday acknowledging this apparent payment that he paid his lawyer for expenses during 2016.
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here is avenatti giving a hint. >> as the evidence rolls out disclosures will be made that my client was not alone as it relates to the payments and michael cohen was not a 24 hour, 7 day a week fixer for the whole purpose of taking care of stormy daniels. >> two women allege they have agreements. >> and women who claim to have had affairs or sex with donald trump? >> correct. >> these women, are they part of a larger payment? >> i'm scenariorry? >> did they have larger payments? >> yes. >> so michael avenatti teasing another shoe to drop. he has worked the media in a way you have seen. >> yes. if there is more women who come out who will be surprised? i think is there any illegality
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or anything nefarious? at this stage i think the expectation that most people have is that there probably will be. no one will be surprised. politically in that sense it is hard to see how that would hurt the president. >> how about the michael cohen piece of this. this is somebody a long time confident of donald trump. he has been by his side, he says he made this payment out of the goodness of his own heart and didn't tell the president about it and now the reporting that there are missing documents related to certain financial transactions with michael cohen. how do you put that into context here? >> the thing about cohen and we don't understand it and the president's lawyers don't is to put our hands around what is really going on? why is it that there were these financial things that came up that raise questions about how money was moving? the important thing to understand about the new york michael cohen investigation is that the president's lawyers
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will say that they are more worried about that than they are about mueller. they don't understand what is going on in new york. they understand the contours of mueller. they understand what he is looking at and know what the questions are. in new york they don't. i don't think they think they are getting a fair shake from the president. >> this deals with how long the president has known michael cohen and the relationship. we haven't gotten a full picture. >> michael schmidt, nice to have you on set. we'll see you in a little bit. i want to talk about what is happening at the white house because larry kudlow just popped out and said president trump will meet with the vice premier of china today to talk trade. that was not on the president's public schedule. he says he thinks the summit between president trump and kim jong-un scheduled for next month will happen. he says national security adviser john bolton is the guy
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to ask. there is smoke in the russia investigation. so far any fire? we are breaking down legal issues as mueller's investigation enters year two. who has been indicted? who does the special counsel want to look at next and will that sit down ever happen? donald trump jr. rushing to his father's defense after the president referred to undocumented immigrants as animals. patrick woke up with a sore back. but he's got work to do. so he took aleve this morning. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy-open cap.
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in the circumstances of this case they wouldn't be able to subpoena him personally. >> so that is president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani this morning beating the drum saying special counsel robert mueller does not have the power to force president trump to testify in the russia investigation. he did keep the door open to the idea that the trump legal team might let the president answer questions under a very specific set of circumstances. we are breaking down the legal implications of all of this. first, a quick recap of what year one of this investigation has produced so far. total of 19 people, three russian companies have either been indicted or pleaded guilty to criminal chargeinizecluding four people who used to be on team trump. a lot of other people in the trump orb talked to robert
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mueller. former top adviser steve bannon, jared kushner spoke to mueller in what has been described as a narrow capacity. i am joined by reporter ken delaine yn and tom dupree. tom, to you first. i want to start with rudy giuliani that he doesn't think robert mueller will subpoena the president because he doesn't have the power to do so. presidents have been subpoenaed before. thomas jefferson was, bill clinton was. there seems to be a precedent that you can subpoena a president. where is rudy giuliani getting it from in. >> there is a difference between indicting a sitting president and subpoena. >> the difference is degree of infringement to take care that the laws of the united states are executed.
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in inindictment that is something that would be all consuming. past justice departments including going back to president clinton have said you cannot constitutionally indict a sitting president. >> because the president is so busy with dealing with the matters of the country that it will suck up all of his band width. >> it would make it difficult for him to run the country. that goes back to the clinton administration and back to the nixon administration where the justice department said you can't indict. however, a subpoena is very different. a subpoena is not as all consuming as indictment. there are historic precedents for subpoenaing a president. if mueller were to attempt to subpoena president trump i expect to see legal battle. it would prolong the investigation. i don't think there is a clear cut answer. i think the judge would look at how intrusive and burdensome it is, the importance of getting the information and making a decision based on the facts.
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>> it seems fairly cut and dry based on talking to legal experts and analysts who say there are doj guide lines about not indicting a sitting president. here is reaction on the hill from both sides of the aisle coming into us this morning. >> president's lawyer can go said the special counsel's office said they don't think they can indict the president. do you think that is correct? >> i haven't studied it. i know there is scholarly debate one way or the other about that. i have not paid that close of attention to it. >> richard blumenthal asked about this, as well. watch. >> it has never been tested. there is no precedent. there is a department of justice guideline apparently that says the president cannot be indicted. there is a lot of legal support for that view. my own view is that he can be
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indicted. he is not above the law. >> what you are seeing is there is a legal debate about this. the justice department prevailing legal opinion is you can't indict a sitting precedent. special prosecutor ken star argued that you can do. it is conceivable that mueller can go to rob rosenstein and say let's request new opinion. >> he refused to answer a question when asked specifically that and said all i can say is in the past here is what the guideline is. >> the fact is that as doj guidelines currently exist i don't see how mueller could indict the president. if they wanted to change the guideline they could do that and pull back that opinion. it doesn't seem like it is likely to happen. >> when you look at the list of people that mueller has talked to, pull that up. is there somebody who is maybe missing here? roger stone is not on that list.
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but jason sullivan who is a social media guy apparently has been subpoenaed by this special counsel. >> nbc news confirmed that jason sullivan who did work for one of the superpacks, a social media guy has been subpoenaed for documents and testimony before the grand jury. it tells us that this investigation is very much ongoing. it is active. it also suggests and other data suggests that they are honing in on roger stone in the question of did he have interactions? did he have advanced knowledge of e-mails. we know that two other witnesses in this investigation have told us that they have been asked about roger stone. >> tim has hot fire in his eyes. go. >> does any of this that we discussed seem to anyone like it is wrapping up soon? it is funny because you talk to folks in the white house and i think there is genuine belief that they have been given assurances and it is in the water in the white house that this will be wrapped up in the
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next couple of months. there is nothing to lead any of us to believe that is the case. >> we are hearing from rudy giuliani and not anyone from the special counsel's office. >> talk about special counsel's office being a black box of information and also of comments publically. we don't hear from robert mueller. we very occasionally hear from him on indictment days when these things drop in a statement form. he has been laying low. they have that locked up. >> we hear from them in court occasionally. and they address the judge but you are absolutely right this does not leak. we reported we expect them to indict russians in hacking and leaking case. that has not happened. we believe he has that evidence. >> thank you. pleasure to have you. north korea threatening to throw in the towel on next month's summit between president trump
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we are back now with a look at morning headlines.
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in hawaii a red alert for the big island. the volcano could be blowing its top any minute. you have plumes of smoke we showed you yesterday rising some 12,000 feet. new today lava blasting out of huge cracks in the ground. hawaii's governor says the state is putting together a joint task force to handle what is expected to be mass evacuations. attorney general jeff sessions says he is adding over 300 new prosecutors around the country to help fight the opioid epidommic, fight violent crime. says this is the biggest addition in more than a decade after president trump wants federal prosecutors to be tougher on penalizing opioid distributors and undocumented immigrants. confirmation this morning. meghan merkel's father will not be there for his daughter's wedding ending days of speculation over his health and controversy over the paparazzi pictures. a statement out from the bride
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to be saying i have always cared for my father and hope he can be given the space he needs to focus on his health. the white house says it is up to north korea on whether next month's summit in singapore moves on as planned. listen. >> this president has been very clear from the beginning that if the conditions are right that he will go and have a summit. we have had seven weeks of strong activity there with mike pompeo going over easter and coming back with the three detainees. and so just so much has happened in the korean peninsula and the region. that's 70 years of war. it may not happen quickly. it may happen later. this president is ready if everything is on track. >> just in the last little bit secretary of state mike pompeo saying president asked about the summit he did not respond and
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ignored the questions. joining us now is managing director of beacon strategies and former staff director, friend of the show along with katherine lucy and tim alberta. let's talk about the a.p. headline out from your organization. south korea says it is pushing to get the june 12 summit back on track. the question, how do we do that? >> this is the typical north korea we are used to. been so nice lately that they need to revert to form to try to get leverage over us so that we will go back and say please you better show up for the summit. what do you need to do to come. >> we have kellyanne conway saying the resolution with north korea may not happen quickly. where does momentum come into play? is it a factor that you want the momentum moving forward? >> i'm worried that the president really wants a great summit and will be too willing to go and too willing perhaps to not have a hard line on the
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de-nuclearization piece. john bolton very hard care and effective on these issues. the question is is the president well versed and insist upon that agenda. >> you write about the incredible and intense preparations that are happening on june 12. i have not yet started packing. what do you have? >> when you do a summit like this someone described to us like an iceberg. we only see a little bit on top but so much goes into it. everything from drilling down on the negotiating positions, how you define nuclearization and how you negotiate to verify this but also all kinds of protocol items things like who walks into the room first, where the water glasses go, how many security guards are there. teams of people here, ing singapore are going over all of the details right now. i know that the public conversation right now is about
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whether or not it happens at all. they are preparing for it. >> i spoke with one source over at the white house who talked about security being one of the reasons why they picked singapore. mike mentioned john bolton and the white house seems to be distancing itself from comments that bolton made regarding the libya model saying it is the trump model. did bolten make a big mistake? >> probably. what is really interesting about this entire sequence of events is we talked i think last time on set about the savviness of kim jong-un. if you look at how the momentum has seemed to build over the last month or so hostages come home and there is the announcement of shutting down nuclear test sites you had the creeping sense that there would be at some point be a monkey wrench thrown in and something to give us pause and say we are
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not quite in the end zone yet let's not spike the football. things seemed to be moving in such a positive direction and moving so quickly that i think a lot of republicans on the hill in the last 24 hours were sort of taken aback by this and suddenly worried that they felt good about this. >> we heard over the last couple of days from senator sanders and kellyanne conway. we have heard very little from the president. >> i think that is actually very intentional on the part of the president to negotiate this, to not inflame the situation more. >> i think the north korean leader has to signal to the hard liners in his own country that he is not giving the store away. >> tim, final thoughts to you? >> the president's silence especially a few months after the big red button and everything else is i think the silence is deafening and whether or not he decides to weigh in
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will probably tell us an awful lot about the direction. >> love having you on. thank you. we want to show you what is happening on the floor of the senate over there because that's chuck schumer. we understand he may be talking about year one of the special counsel's russia investigation marked today. and as that investigation rounds out you have lawmakers on the hill set to get a briefing today on how the u.s. is planning to fight the threat from russia in the mid terms. that briefing has just been delayed. we'll talk about what is next and what the president's allize in congress might try to do on this mueller anniversary. more. more? they've been saving folks money for over 75 years. a company you can trust. geico even helped us with homeowners insurance. more sounds great. gotta love more...
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not small at all. energy lives here. the most ardent partisan should be able to look at the facts and say that this want to take you live to the senate floor where chuck schumer is talking about the mueller investigation. >> the fbi director appointed by president trump, a republican, said as much yesterday. so truly we should all be gast on this one year anniversary of mueller's appointment at the smear campaign by the president and his allies. we should all be aghast at the relentless parade of conspiracies manufactured by the most extreme elements of the republican party and conservative media to distract from the special counsel's investigation from deep state leaks to unmasking requests, phone taps to trump tower,
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uranium one and nunez memo, these are all attempts to derail a legitimate and important investigation. now house conservatives are badgering doj officials for classified documents hunting desperately for any scrap of information that would help them sully the investigation. and by the way for all their ranting and raving and interfering they haven't had a sintela of evidence to support that this is a witch hunt, unfair and politically motivated. >> you have been listening to senator chuck schumer talking about year one now year two of the robert mueller investigation. the special counsel investigation hitting its second year today. remember that congress has actually been at this longer than robert mueller conducting its own investigations.
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the house intelligence committee closed its investigation after just over a year. the rest are still going handling the same issues that mueller is, russian interference and obstruction of justice. casie hunt is on the hill. you have covered every minute of the investigations. bring us up to speed on where they stand and on something else, too. i thought there was supposed to be an election security briefing today about this. >> would this be a classified briefing with top officials including the director of national intelligence. ask republicans to do this and that would require additional and potentially raise questions rather than unclassified briefing. we will keep an eye on it. the focus for congress more so
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than for mueller is the russian piece of this. when you talk to members of congress up here they say they are looking at russian interference in the election, interference in our systems and the potential i think we have a slide that we can show people of the states that were potentially effected, the russians tried to directly hack into state voter files and other things. at least 18 of them were targeted by russian affiliated hackers. we should under score that there is no evidence that votes were changed. there has been a broad sense that the response was inadequate. so the one other important piece yesterday, the final day, first year of mueller investigation, richard burr making a notable step in concurring with the intelligence community's assessment that the russians tried to interfere in the
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election to help donald trump win the election. that was something that house republicans when they wrapped up their investigation said we can't concur in that. and the president said there was no collusion with russia. senate intelligence, republicans and democrats are saying we disagree with that. >> i want you to hang out for a second and bring in tim and katherine back into the conversation. casey talked about the congressional investigations. historically other big investigations in congress have been shorter or right around the same length as these. you had water gate that went on for about 16 months. benghazi was 28 months. a lot of republicans say it is time to wrap it up in congress. will that actually happen? >> probably not. what is going to be interesting to see as far as the calendar is concerned with the mid terms approaching is do you see something of a pause. i know that is happening in
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rank-and-file members. i think there is a possibility that there is a pause sometime after the august recess an agreement that they step back because they don't want to be seen as election meddling. i think that there is a broad understanding among people that weren't terribly happy that some investigations will continue to go on probably bleeding well into 2019. >> i want to play a little bit of lawmaker reaction here to robert mueller as we hit year two of his investigation. listen. >> all of us have known director mueller very happy he is there. >> i think it is a very positive step that a special counsel has been appointed and the special counsel caliber of robert mueller. >> i think this is a positive thing for the american people. >> he is a good man, honest man, a person with integrity. >> i think we can move forward. i feel good about it. >> i think that mueller is a great choice. >> mueller is widely respected. he is smart. he is principled.
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>> professionals at the justice department need to do their jobs independently, objectively and thoroughly. i believe the special counsel which is robert mueller now helps him do that. >> given all that where do things stand with bills. we know mitch mcconnell said ain't going to happen even though some republicans and democrats try to send a signal by passing this out of committee. is that dead and gone? >> if you listen to mitch mcconnell and he makes the decisions and was pretty explicit in the one interview i think on fox news he basically said he was very frank about it. he said i control, i decide what is going on in the floor but that is not happening. i do think that -- don't under estimate the importance of the optics of the messages that these republicans are trying to send on the subject. there are also questions about just how legislation like that
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would actually work in practice even if they were to pass something what would happen. if mitch mcconnell were to put that on the floor it would represent a tremendous break from the president. >> thanks for hanging out. appreciate it. i will have katherine stick around because the house is trying to move forward with this bipartisan immigration plan. it's the president who is dominating the headlines on the topic after he referred to some undocumented immigrants as animals. we will give you the key context you may have missed plus what this means for the debate as he faces off with state leaders on sanctuary cities. the smart ones look to fidelity to find them. we give you research and data-visualization tools to help identify potential opportunities. so, you can do it this way... or get everything you need to help capture investment ideas and make smarter trading decisions with fidelity for just $4.95 per online u.s. equity trade.
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talk to your doctor about xarelto®. have people coming into the trying to come into the country. we're stopping a lot of then. we're taking people out of the country. you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. >> president trump there referring to some undocumented immigrants as animals in a round table at the white house. here's the context you need to know about. it was after a sheriff complaining about hot being able to get rid of gangs and ms 13. this was not the first time the president has referred to ms 13 as animals.
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the sheriff, he was talking with was from california. the round table was focussed on sanctuary cities in the state. it comes as republicans are pushing to get an immigration bill on the house floor even though leadership doesn't want it. allen gomez is with me, and katherine and tim as well. allen, let's talk about what the president is saying about folks in california and specifically the oakland mayor. listen to this. >> i mean, you talk obstruction of justice. i would recommend that you look into obstruction of justice for the mayor of oakland, california, jeff. she advises thousands of people they drove get out of here. the law enforcement is coming. >> the president was frustrated because the oakland mayor told folks about ice raids earlier this year. what should folks understand about sanctuary cities in california and around the country. >> oakland has been the most high profile example. a lot of cities and local governments are trying to not
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just completely ignore federal immigration law. what they'll tell you is they do work with the feds. they hand over information on the people that are arrested. they send over the fingerprints and background information on people in their prisons but they don't detain them for the feds and don't alert i.c.e. when they're releasing people. the trump administration has spent the last year and a half really trying to hammer down on them, trying to take away their grant money. they were shut down by the courts when they tried that. they tried suing california to try to get them to stop, and they're trying to really intimidate the cities into stopping this. >> you also have a backdrop of the west coast versus the west wing. governor jerry brown lapped right back. he tweeted donald trump is lying on immigration, lying about crime, lie tact laws of california. it's not just immigration. it's the travel ban california is fighting. this is ground zero of the resistance. >> california is also very much
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involved in the lawsuits against the president's attempts to end daca. california has in many different ways been the leader in trying to fight back against the trump administration. we've seen attorneys general from new york to washington state to hawaii also play a big part in different lawsuits trying to challenge all the different ways the trump administration is trying to limit both legal and illegal immigration. but california, yeah, it's easy. people love trashing nancy pelosi. it makes for an easy foil to what's going on in the white house. >> katherine? >> yeah. i think we're hearing the comments from the president. as you said, they're not -- he has made statements like this about ms 13 members before, but they're still raising a lot of attention. >> and they come -- you can't ignore the political context which is this comes has the president is sort of -- if anything, heightening his rhetoric about immigration. he's frustrated about the lack of progress on the border wall.
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he's also expressed frustration about immigration and tactics on the border. but also it comes as a lot of moderate republicans are looking for some action on daca. >> i'm getting hard wrapped. i have ten seconds to talk about the discharge position. one sentence. >> this is why you don't want to be a lame duck speaker. >> that was six seconds. thank you tim and allen and katherine. appreciate you hanging out with us. we'll be right back with today's big picture. ♪ ♪
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for today's big picture we're heading to antarctica. gorgeous green and purple rights. down near the south pole. there's something happening here that has scientists confused and worried. somebody somewhere is making a banned chemical that's destroying the ozone layer over antarctica. nobody knows who's doing it or where. it's called cfc11. it's coming back over the area. we'd love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter, snap chat and instagram. right now more news with stephanie rule who does not have her fascinator on. i'm not sure why. >> not yet. >> as you get ready for royal b wedding. >> it's packed away and coming out this weekend.
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>> i'm stephanie rule. in new york before i head to the royal wedding, ali velshi on assignment. it's thursday, may 17th. let's get started. the mueller investigation hits the one-year mark. the president tweeting a few minutes ago, congratulations, america, we are now into the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history. and there is still no collusion and no obstruction. the only collusion was that done by democrats who were unable to win an election despite the spending of far more money. >> rudy giuliani is now saying that he has been told by the special counsel robert mueller that the president cannot be indicted in the russia investigation because of doj policy. >> i asked him specifically if they realized or acknowledged they didn't have the power to indict. and he said, well, he wouldn't answer. and one of the assistants said they acknowledged they had to be bound by justice department policies. >> if they subpoena us, challenge the subpoe

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