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and later, my conversation with senator kiersten gillibrand. but first we are following a wave of breaking news. rudy giuliani tells "the new york times" and nbc news robert mueller will seek to conclude his investigation into collusion with russia by september 1st. so far we have not heard anything from the special counsel ourselves. robert costa from the washington post reports an important asterisk. that deadline might hold true if the president sits for an interview. at the same time, president trump ordering the justice department to investigate an if in fib informant who was used in the early stages of the russia probe. the president tweeting, quote, i here by demand and will do so officially tomorrow that the department of justice look into whether or not the fbi/doj infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes. as for the president using the power of his office to intervene in an ongoing justice department
investigation, maybe we shouldn't be too surprised. >> you look at the corruption at the top of the fbi, it's a disgrace. and our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> looks like some point was today. we are also hearing tonight from the justice department as well to talk about all of this, i'm going to bring in my panel with me on set. senior writer for politico and coauthor of the politico play book jake sherman. chief washington reporter and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins. former special assistant to the president and former spokesman for vice-president mark lauder. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian. and joining us by phone is "the new york times" reporter michael schmidt who broke that story on the mueller probe time line. michael, you are with us, of course, by phone. i want to start with you. can you walk us through your conversation with rudy giuliani, what you learned about the time line going forward? we know that the trump administration had been saying
they think it's time for this to be wrapped up. >> giuliani has had a series of meetings with mueller. in one of them two weeks ago, mueller's team volunteered this. they brought up this, and what giuliani said that date is an end marker. if the investigation goes beyond that point, if there were findings that come out after that, that is too close to the election. he calls that, quote-unquote, comey territory, referring to what happened during the 2016 election where comey had to make public statements before the votes were taken. and he -- giuliani very concerned about that and about the impact that could have on the president. he's trying to put a marker down about that september 1st date. >> did you get the sense that if, in fact, this, the investigation didn't conclude by the september 1 date, that mueller would simply put the investigation on hold or would he be making a commitment to not release any findings before the
election in that intervening time, or is this a pledge that, no, all of our investigative activities have going to be finished by this day? >> well, it's a great question. who knows what could happen between now and then. other things that mueller may have to look at and what could delay this. but what folks say is regardless of what mueller does, it's a political decision. if he were to release something before the election, it certainly would have a political consequence. if he didn't, it would have a political consequence on the other end. it is such an important thing, such a big decision that no matter what he does, there will be an impact. what will mueller do? will he -- if he feels the president won't sit down, will he feel comfortable subpoenaing the president in the months before the election or would that be interfering too much with that? i don't know. >> michael, before i let you go, very quickly, i want to get you to weigh in on a story we are about to talk to the rest of the panel about, which is all of the news that broke about the doj and the fbi and the informant.
does the department of justice feel right now as though they are under real serious pressure that could leave them in some real trouble? or do they view this as simply the president distracting with tweets? >> well, this seems to be the latest sort of fascinating dance that rod rosenstein has had to do in regards to balancing what the president wants and sort of following the rule of law. and in many of these cases, they have referred things to the inspector general as a way of showing that they're doing something, but not going so far as to open a criminal investigation. and this to me looks like rosenstein, once again trying to keep the president at bay, trying to keep house republicans that have been breathing down his neck off of him, by saying, look, we are going to do something. at the end of the day, the inspector general's investigation is a serious thing, but it is not nearly as serious as a criminal investigation so it is not the
full mounting. >> michael submit, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be following your reporting. as michael was just talking about and we had started to delve into this conversation about the department of justice and they have now asked the inspector general to expand their current review in the wake of the president's tweet request. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein releasing this statement saying, quote, if anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action. it is worth remembering this tough talk rosenstein had a few weeks ago about some republicans impeachment threats against him. >> i can tell you there were people who have been making threats privately and publicly against me for quite sometime. and i think they should understand by now, the department of justice is not going to be stoextorted. we're going to do the rule of law. any threats anybody makes is not going to affect the way we do
our job. >> so, ken dilanian, you have been spending probably far too much of your weekend reporting on this story, but we very much appreciate it. i'm hoping that you can kind of cut through what has been i think a very confusing thing for people to try to sort through here. the department of justice clearly coming under incredible pressure now from the sitting president. what do you make of the statement, the fact that the department of justice and rosenstein himself came out, felt that they had to respond to it, and in what context would you put the degree of significance? >> i think this is a very shrewd move by rod rosenstein because who can argue with is that statement? of course they should take a look and see whether anything was inappropriate about this placement of an informant. it's a huge deal. let's not kid ourselves. the idea that -- first, trump said there was a spy in the campaign. that's not what happened. clearly there was an informant who went to talk to americans who worked for a presidential campaign sent by the fbi, potentially other intelligence agencies. that is a major deal.
it is perfectly important for the inspector general to scrutinize that. can you imagine the levels of approval that would have taken, the attorney general of the united states to make that happen? they're critical about the steps they take. the reason is they were deeply concerned about potential russian infiltration over members of the trump campaign. that's what this investigation is about and that's what we'll find at the end of the day a. >> were they looking for or did they feel they had evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the parts of these people in the campaign? >> we don't know the answer to that but let's remember this began as a counter intelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation. really what they were trying to figure out is were the russians exercising improper influence over any of these people? were these agents agents of a foreign power which has its own definition of law and allows for its own kind of surveillance. one of the techniques they do is they send informants to talk to people and potentially record their conversations and see if they're going to incriminate themselves.
>> and have we, to our current public historical knowledge, have we ever seen anything like this before in history sfla >> no, i don't think we have. there is no precedent we know of for this happening, and it speaks to the level of significance of this investigation. but what i also find amazing is the fbi let voters go to the polls in this election without disclosing that they had suspicions that some members of the trump team were agents of a foreign power. that's a decision that will go down in history and will be debated for years to come. >> yeah, of course in the context of them talking more than they normally do about the hillary clinton investigation. mark lauder, i want to talk to jake sherman about how some of this came out vis-a-vis the house and their pressure, but from the administration's perspective, i realize you're not there day to day any more, but in your conversations with people that you worked with, what is the sense behind the scenes in the white house of how significance this is? obviously we're dealing with a new cycle where the president tweets and we rocket from one thing to the next to the next. this strikes me as something that potentially has a bigger,
more lasting as ken pointed out historical significance. how angry are the white house and aides about this? >> the president is frustrated about it rightfully so. from an anger standpoint, i think they're sharing the just the sheer shock of the matter like many of the american people that the fbi used a foreign -- someone who is connected to the intelligence community, both the american and british intelligence communities sent them in to spy on the trump campaign and that is something we have never seen before. and it's at a historic level and something concerning. >> jake sherman, let's talk about how some of this has come about because of mark meadows has, and company, have gone to war with rod rosenstein and have been pressuring the department of justice on a whole host of things. and to our knowledge the speaker, paul ryan, seems to be going along with it. there had been some pull back when it seemed as though the white house was willing to try and protect sources and methods.
but that clearly has blown up now. >> yeah, it's really fascinating you kind of have a trio of republicans, devin nunes, mark meadows and jim jordan who have been beating the drum very loudly on capitol hill. even when it seems like the white house wants to play it cautiously and wants to play it carefully and the president is definitely receiving counsel that he ought to play it carefully, you have these three guys that have the president's ear, especially meadows and jordan and nunes who is close to the speaker of the house paul ryan who has been his friend almost two decades. so, it helps in the sense that he has this back up. he has this kind of echo chamber that will go on tv, these three guys who will go on tv and say what he wants them to say and kind of i think helps spur them along a little bit. >> kimberly atkins, you've been reporting on this all day. what are you learning from your sources behind the scenes at the white house? >> it's unclear. we don't know what the president means by this tweet. we don't know if he's going to ask for some sort of formal
criminal probe or whether this i.g. report that deputy director rosenstein said he would undergo would be enough. we don't know if this is just because it's sunday and he was home and had a lot of executive time and he was angry about this, or if this could lead to some sort of constitutional crisis tomorrow if he asks deputy attorney general rosenstein to do something that he doesn't want to do, and perhaps it leads to the sort of a new saturday night massacre, monday morning massacre, if you will. so people are waiting to see exactly what this means. there is still a lot of unknowns, but there is a lot of concern that this could be a big deal. >> ken dilanian, the president seemed to have some of his facts not totally right on friday when he was tweeting about this. at least that's what -- i talked to several white house officials over the weekend who essentially said that, wow, okay, parts of the tweets that were not 100% on point, that the president clearly understood the overall implication of this. do we have any indication how the president learned about
this? was it just news reports? was it some other way? we've also been doing some reporting on our team about rand paul talking about the cia and all of this. i mean, where do the facts stop and we tip over into -- >> that's a good question. we don't have clarity. we know devin nunes has been trying to get some of this information from the justice department. he's in a fight with them. he wants the name of the informant. the justice department has been resisting that. at the same time you have news reporting going on including by me. i published a story on friday about a professor who fits the profile of the person the times and the post later, hours later named as the informant. our story says we aren't saying this guy is the informant, we haven't confirmed he's the informant. there are people talking around this investigation about various people who met with george papadopoulos and carter page and who those people thought were suspicious encounters. so, it's not clear how donald trump knew, but it's not surprising that this is coming out. >> we are just getting started tonight. still to come, inside another
meeting that donald trump, jr. had at trump tower and that is also raising eyebrows. plus, we'll talk about stalled efforts to improve school safety and gun safety when former secretary of education arne duncan joins me exclusively. plus the house passed major sexual misconduct legislation. why is the senate dragging its feet in bringing those sweeping changes? my conversation with senator kiersten gillibrand. "kasie d.c." back right after this. uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ♪ ooh i'm not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! ♪ we'll make heaven a place on earth ♪ yeah! oh, my angels! ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ [ sobs quietly ]
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now to a story it seems like we've heard before. donald trump, jr. meeting with a person linked to a foreign government who is interested in helping his father win the presidential election. "the new york times" writing in august of 2016, the president's eldest son attended a meeting that included an emissary with a crown prince of two gulf nations. george nader, former advisor to the uae who is now cooperating with robert mueller, nader reportedly told trump junior that the crown princes were eager to help his father win the election. the times also reports the israeli social media specialist had drawn up a multi-million dollar proposal for a plan that involved using thousands of fake social media accounts to promote trump's candidacy. on platforms like facebook. the president responded on twitter. surprise, surprise. writing in part, quote, the
world's most expensive witch hunt has found nothing on russia and me so they are looking at the rest of the world. here's what the ranking democrat on the senate intelligence committee mark warner had to say about that times report this morning. >> if the times story is true, we now have at least a second and maybe a third nation that was trying to lean into this campaign. and i don't understand what the president doesn't get about the law that says, if you have a foreign nation interfere in an american election, that's illegal. >> all of the people involved in that meeting say nothing came from it. and, ken dilanian, at the defense here has sort of been i don't know if you want to call it the naivete defense, we took these meetings because they wanted a meeting so we said, okay, fine. at the end of the day, this is potentially illegal and it sounds like some of these people were warned that it was illegal. >> and ignorance of the law is never a defense, right? and there were briefings given to the trump campaign about counter intelligence threats and
what -- who you should and shouldn't meet with. but, look, this is a hugely significant development in this story, i think, kasie, because what we have here essentially is two additional very wealthy and powerful countries that appear to have tried to influence the american election. whether crimes were committed or not, and mueller is investigating that. and there is a question as to whether the saudis and the marauders were working with the russians because there are long-standing ties between the nati nations and their intelligence services. look at what the saudis and emirates have gotten from the trump election. siding with them in the dispute against qatar, the saudi leader puts his enemies in the ritz karld t carl ton. they said little about t. this is going to come into play. this is a hard story for people to understand, but as it permeates the consciousness we'll realize what a significant development this is. >> mark, how do you explain what ken is talking about here?
>> i look at it as it looks like a company that was obviously affiliated with foreign interests pitched an idea to the campaign about influencing social media. >> shouldn't the campaign have called the fbi or at least let somebody know or know not to take meetings like that? i mean, let's set aside the uae for a second. ken's good point. this is still an israeli social media specialist saying i'll build these tools for you to help you win. it seems like on its face that's illegal. >> you get these requests from just about every political consultant. >> would you have taken that meeting? would you have advised the vice-president -- >> i would not have taken that meeting. that's my decision to not do that. >> right. >> you know, i think this is just trying to make connections and -- >> but having worked in politics for many years, you would have, had you gotten this request, you feel as though you would have felt it was suspicious and something perhaps that would be ill-advised? >> i can't speak to that. i probably would have not taken the meeting. if i did, i probably would have
taken their multi-million dollar idea and gone to my american digital company and said, what do you think of this and what can we do with it to make it work through the proper channels? but -- so, i don't make a lot of this. when it comes to the connections -- ken was talking about some of the actions -- there are very real reasons why a lot of these things were done with uae, with saudi arabia, the decisions that were made. they've been very supportive of getting out of the iran deal, which the president was strong on saying that. so i think while we can try to make connections that are broader, i think when you look at the actual policy decisions that have been made, the president has been very clear for why he made the decisions that he's made. it has nothing to do with a meeting in august of 2016 with a couple of business projects in mind. >> ken dilanian, we have to go here. i'm going to let you go for the evening, but very quickly, of all of the news that's broken out the last three days, what do you think is the development we are still going to be talking about that will be the most significant?
>> i actually think the informant issue because it's so historically significant as we discussed. it shows the lengths to which the fbi was going to investigate this. some people will criticize it, some people will praise it. it's a meaningful development, kasie. >> ken dilanian, appreciate your insights. just ahead, education secretary arne duncan said students should stay home from school until gun laws are changed. he joins me live. that's up next. it's just a burst pipe, i could fix it. (laugh) no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just beacuase of a claim. i totally could've... (wife) nope! switching to allstate is worth it. fthere's flonase sensimist.f up around pets. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't.
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after the first three shots no one even moved. people were like what was that? they were like, they don't know. then after that we heard more shots and the teacher screamed at us to run. so, everyone started running, taking offer. >> i heard four more shots. i jumped the students' fence and ran to the car wash. some girl got shot in the kneecap apparently and she was limping towards us. >> we were scared for our lives. nobody should go through this. nobody who feel that in school. this is the place we're supposed to feel safe. >> those were just a few of the heart breaking recollections of friday's mass shooting at santa fe high school in texas. ten people, eight students and two teachers, were killed when a 17-year-old gunman opened fire. the state department confirmed yesterday that among the victims was sabika, a pakistani exchange
student. here's one of her classmates describing the last time she saw her. >> we ran into the classroom. sabika were with me. other people couldn't make it in the room. we closed the doors. she was coming into the class that we were in so we all ran. i didn't see her. i didn't look back and see her behind me running. all i know, last time i saw her. >> sabika was just 17 years old. jake sherman, we are having this conversation yet again this year. and nothing in the wake of all of the shootings we have sat here and discussed, nothing has happened in the congress. and it seems as though that's likely what's going to happen again. >> yeah, that's right. but i will say i do notice, and you probably notice this, too, but there is a sentiment among republican members of congress, i think it's a creeping sentiment that they are on the
wrong side of this. so many republicans have told me off the record that they are worried that they are losing a generation of voters who are growing up in these -- in this climate where school shootings are regular. that no one that i've spoken to on capitol hill -- there were a few who believe -- there is really no one that believes arming teachers is a solution to this. there's no federal -- there's no way congress will pass anything like that. so, what do you do? and i think that's the question a lot of republicans are grappling with. i had one republican tell me, i think it was on the record, but i'll leave it off the record out of an abundance of caution. if trump took a consistent position on this which is we need to do something and here's what i want to do, it would -- it could get through congress. i think that people are waiting for that and he's gotten close to that line, but then walks it back and goes in another direction. >> the last time he tagsled tck this, he went too far and it spooked people who support gun rights.
i want to show our viewers, to your point, about the sentiment on this issue changing. here was the republican governor of texas talking about the shooting. take a look. >> we need to do more than just pray for the victims and their families. it's time in texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again. >> mark lauder, that's language that democrats have been using more often than republicans. but this is the second time we've seen governor rick scott in florida, also republican, do the same thing. >> and then the question is what do you do? saying we need to do something, but you need to identify what it is that you're going to do. because if we're talking about the proposals following the tragedy in parkland, none of those things would have stopped the tragedy in santa fe because it wasn't a semiautomatic or an assault rifle. it wasn't -- not something a
background check would have caught because this is a teenager who it was illegal for him to have a gun. he got them from his father or took them from his father who legally obtained them. it's illegal to saw off a shotgun. it's illegal to take a gun on a school. none of those laws stopped this and so what can we do? is the question. >> i think republicans are struggling with a broader picture here. they are struggling with the influence of the nra and the growing sentiment among young people that the gun culture in our country needs to change. and while for a long time the nra support has sustained them in a very appreciable way, they are understanding there is a ground swell of change and they're trying to sort of -- seems, trying to moderator move their message a little bit. i don't think that the changes are going to happen in congress or even in the state houses. it's going to happen with the culture of the country and if the republicans find themselves on the wrong side of that, they'll have big problems for a long time. >> to talk more about this, i want to bring in former education secretary under president obama, arne duncan. secretary dunk an also served as
the ceo of chicago public schools. now he's managing partner at the emerson collective. mr. secretary, it's nice to see you tonight. thank you for your time. >> good evening. thanks so much for having me. >> let's start where we left this conversation off. you are pushing for -- and you can explain this as well -- students to essentially say, i'm not going to back to school unless i feel safe. do you think it's at the point where the ground swell might be enough politically because it's affecting such a wide array of students of children in america that there could be significant changes on something that's been so calcified here in washington? >> well, i think we have to create a tension that hasn't existed yet. only that kind of creative tension can push people to confront an issue they've been able to run away from, hide from so long. there is a fork in the road as a nation. either this body count, this loss of life, the killing of innocent children is acceptable
or it's not. if we decide it's unacceptable, then we have to do some things we have never done before because everything done to this point has been a failure, has been ineffective. it's time to think much more radically. time to do things differently if we want to breakthrough and make not just our children, but every citizen of america much safer than they are today. >> so, what should be done? i mean, one of our panelists has raised the point, every time something like this happens, legislation is proposed that is often targeted to change a database or ban a bump stock. but at the end of the day, those measures in the most recent extreme we have dealt with would not have stopped in this particular situation. if even those small changes can't get through, i mean, how is it possible that something more sweeping could be done? >> well, again, we have to be much more radical than we ever have so we can't just keep doing the same things. so, teachers have walked out and
had strikes to raise pay which is absolutely the right thing to do. our young people led by florida have walked out. it's time for us as parents, it's time for us to step out. we're failing to protect our children and say enough is enough. something has to happen. and you think about, again, it's a radical idea, it's controversial. it is intentionally provocative. you think about as we go back to school after labor day with the november election right behind that, what if the young people were to say, we're not going back to school, what if young people and their parents would work together to try to get major legislation passed. if it works, fantastic. if it doesn't, hold those elected officials accountable. we have to do something so different than we have other ever done if we expect different results. >> what would you propose the legislation should include that could stop these things? >> it's very simple. again, it's not going to stop every shooting. your point is well taken. there are some basic things that are wildly supported across the political spectrum today. criminal background checks, banning weapons of war, assault
weapons, putting money into the impact of gun violence -- research behind that. those are things that are universally backed that would be so effective in reducing many, many shootings. i have to say i get so frustrated people say we should harden schools. here's my question, here's my retort to that. how do we harden recess? how do we harden dismissal time? how do we harden bus trips? tougher question. how do we harden summer? places like right here in chicago where we see violence is way too high, we can't do that. we have to do something practical about guns, about the easy availability of guns. the united states has 4% of the population and 42% of guns. the level of violence, the left of heart break, the level of tragedy is directly proportional to the universal access to gnun to anyone who wants them. >> are there school safety measures you would support or urge democrats to support? for instance proposals about fewer entrances, other basic
things that have been applied to our airports and other places? >> yeah, that's all taken around the mar jintgins. let me be clear. more than 99.7% of people killed by guns last year were not in schools. so, we can talk about school safety, but we have to talk about movie theaters. we have to talk about concerts. we have to talk about malls. we have to talk about people who are worshipping in church. we have to talk about congressmen who are playing baseball on a baseball field. so, all of that, again, is just minor. it's tinkering. it's almost a smoke screen. we have to look at the real issue. and i will say that our young people led by students from parkland, florida, south and west sides of chicago, june 15th are going to start to lead a march, going to start to fan out across the country. do voter registration. do town halls. our young people hopefully coupled, partnered with us as parents have to step up, take the country in a radically different way. this level of carnage, this level of heart break is unacceptable. it just cannot continue. we have to do something
radically different as a country. >> and we are, of course, already seeing heightened voter registrati registration numbers among young people. thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> just ahead, states of play pits two staceys against each other in georgia. going to take you inside the jaw-dropping race for governor when we come back. uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ♪ ooh i'm not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! ♪ we'll make heaven a place on earth ♪ yeah! oh, my angels! ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ [ sobs quietly ] ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ ♪ ♪ i want some more of it. ♪ i try so hard, ♪ i can't rise above it ♪ don't know what it is 'bout that little gal's lovin'. ♪ applebee's new bigger bolder grill combos.
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do you buy the idea that there is such thing as electability, that that should be part of a primary argument? >> well, sure. we all want to win. the question is what constitutes electability? establishment democrats don't generate excitement. we have seen progressive candidates seeing voter turnout go up because the people in their communities know that it's time to stand up and fight. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c." we are watching in real-time as the democratic party figures out what it wants to be. in omaha, candidate backed by
the dccc lost his primary to a more progressive candidate. she is running on medicare for all. in georgia, intense primaries for governor will reach critical mass on tuesday. the democrats there are both named stacy and even showed up to a recent debate wearing basically the same shade of blue. i have to say i sympathize that is totally happened to me before. this race has exposed, however, a divide within the party. joining me now from atlanta is political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution greg. greg actually finished moderating both party's debates today. greg, let's start by talking about the democratic race. it's gotten very intense. for viewers who haven't been following this day to day minute to minute the way you have, what do these two women each represent and where are they divided? >> well, they represent a test of competing strategies in georgia. stacy evans is more of a conventional democratic strategy in georgia. she's going after moderate
suburban independent voters who used to be democrats, who steadily fled to the republican party. she thinks by leveraging trump and appealing about the hope scholarship which is a popular lottery funded scholarship in georgia she can start winning them over. stacy abrams says that is a recipe for disaster. the last four democratic candidates for governor tried the same approach and failed. she is hoping to energize a new generation of left-leaning voters many of them minorities who rarely cast ballots in these elections by trying to appeal to them on a left leaning platform and someone who would be the first female black governor in the u.s. history. >> greg, i want to show our viewers a little part of that debase that you moderated. here's one of the questions from today. >> your opponent argued your strategy in this campaign is all wrong, that you are not working to convert the right voters, and then there is that whisper campaign that suggests that
statewide georgia will not elect a single african-american female as governor. how do you respond to those attacks? >> i don't think my skin color, my marital status or my background other than the background of being someone who has worked hard to serve georgia for the last 11 years should be the deciding factor. the bottom line is this. i am the most qualified candidate, democrat or republican, running for this office. >> so, some dog whistling there about her marital status and, you know, this potential question that the democratic party is grappling with broadly we heard bernie sanders talking about at the beginning of our segment which is to say if they nominate somebody who is farther to the left, can a, basically red, maybe turning purple state like georgia elect somebody like that statewide? what's your take? >> that's the big question because on the republican side there is a five-man field and they are being drawn even further right than what we're seeing in georgia. there is always a race to the right in georgia politics in the
republican primary. this is a very far race to the right. there is a question of who can appeal to those candidates in the center. who can sort of answer that goldilocks problem come november. and it's happening on both sides because the democratic candidates are also being drawn to the left. again, we have had generation, at least a generation of centrist sounding democratic candidates who run as nra democrats, pro gun. now for the first time both democratic candidates stacy evans and stacy abrams are calling vocally for gun control. jimmy carter's grandson cast himself as an nra democrat. >> i was going to say most of our viewers remember the last democrat or one of the democrats on the national stage jimmy carter. let's talk about the republicans. i'm glad you brought it up because in the closing days of this race, a number of republican candidates have been focusing on illegal immigration. >> i'm brian kemp. i'm so conservative i blow up government spending. i own guns that no one's taking
away. my chainsaw is ready to rip up some regulation. i got a big truck just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself. yep, i just said that. >> brian kemp just said that. offering a truck to deal with illegal immigration. candidate michael williams, not to be outdone, upped the ante with a bus. a deportation bus, seen here experiencing engine trouble on the side of the highway. and here is michael williams in an interview with reporter doug richards from nbc's atlanta affiliate 11 alive. please note, his press flag off to the side. >> you're not breaking the law? >> what's there to be scared of? are you scared of it? >> so, if i saw this bus coming through and i was an immigrant, would you see that as being
provocative? >> no, absolutely not. this country was based upon immigration. we wouldn't have america if it wasn't for lawful legal immigration. so, the issue isn't immigrants or legal immigration. it's those coming to our country with complete disreexpect for our laws coming here illegally. >> what about color? >> i don't care [ bleep ]. >> is it color? >> i did say color. >> i don't care what color you are. >> clearly. i'm going to have to bleep you out. no, no, the back of the bus says mexico, right? >> okay, carry on. >> doesn't the back of the bus say mexico? >> is this interview going to bleep your own bias, i have to feel that's where we're going. is that the case? >> i'm asking reasonable questions of your candidate. >> chop it all up. reasonable is not asking about color. >> yes, it is. it is reasonable to ask about color when -- >> how? >> because the back of the bus
says mexico on it so you're talking about particular types of immigrants. >> the majority of our illegal immigrants -- >> seth, i don't know why you and i argue. >> doug richards, our political reporter. we should know that gentleman, michael williams, is very far back in the polls. mark lauder, i would like to ask you is this -- clearly these candidates are chasing president trump and his rhetoric on immigration. but is this a healthy future path for the republican party, especially if in these primaries these candidates keep getting pushed so far on this issue? >> primaries generally push the voters to the extremes in both parties. >> that seems like a pretty pushing to the extreme. deportation bus. >> what i would tell you, the leading candidates from what i understand are focusing on an economic message. while they are showing their support for the president, georgia is a very economically
diverse state. it's successful. there is a message to keep that going especially with the national economy right now. obviously you've got candidates from the outside who are trying to get themselves a bump to the polls here at the last minute. not sure on either side it's going to work. >> greg lucine, do you have a prediction for how your election is going to play out? >> brian kemp, you saw his first commercial, he put that million dollars behind that commercial and another provocative commercial. the poll got him into second place. he might be the front runner for the number two spot in the runoff, so, you know, one of my colleagues who wrote a column saying basically deportation bus for michael williams might not be going forward, but the deportation truck will still be rolling through the summer. so, i don't think we've heard the last of brian kemp. >> greg, i'm looking forward to your reporting the next week. kimberly atkins, mark lauder,
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celebrity chef is under investigation for possible misconduct. it was reported by '60 minutes" you may have forgotten what happened on the front in washington, but again we haven't. months after a wave of sexual harassment allegations swept across capitol hill the senate has not acted on a plan to overhaul the outdated reporting system. now more than 100 days after the house passed its bill, senator kirsten gillibrand is trying to force the issue and make the senate do the same. >> enough is enough. we've waited 100 days. this is widely bipartisan. we have to fix the rules here. it is broken. today if you are harassed in one of these houses, you might have to wait up to three months to even report it because there's a month of mediation, a month of counseling, a month of cooling off. it's outrageous you shouldn't have to wait three months to report. the second thing that needed to be fixed is taxpayers are paying
for these settlements. if you have a member of congress found to be responsible, the taxpayer pays that settlement, that's not right. >> what's the sticking point? >> i'm not sure. i'm working with a bipartisan group of senators right now who are trying to negotiate a final resolution to get a bill on the vote and vote for it as early as next week. >> there might be people out there that look at this and says if someone is elected to congress and sexually harasses someone, they should have to pay the money out of their own pockets, not the taxpayers. >> exactly. that's what the bill does. it would be the only thing appropriate in these circumstances. you need to hold the members of congress if they're harassing people in their office. >> this has come to the forefront this year, most recently the attorney general in your state stepping down.
you also called for senator al franken to step down, you took significant backlash for that. do you have any regrets? >> no. sometimes these cases come with people you have trusted and maybe loved, but you have to be able to have clarity on this, even when it's hard. especially when it's hard. that's why we need transparency accountability with regard to our attorney general he did do the right thing stepping down. but those allegations of violence were horrific. so we need a full and complete investigation. >> one question this has raised for a lot of at least democratic women i've talked to who work in and around campaigns is sometimes they feel their politicians run and their sometimes their male politicians have, in schneiderman's case, he backed the me too movement. said this is something i want to fight against. and you find out that conduct is still being carried out. do you think the democratic as a whole needs to do soul
searching. >> the question comes down to do we value women? if we don't, we won't take these cases seriously. we have to hold people accountable and i've been looking on changing the rolls in all institutions. if you can't hold the favored, the powerful accountable, then you're not going to be able to stick up for that woman who may never be in a place she can call out her perpetrator. the me too movement is really just the beginning. we have to fix the problems we have where it's built to protect perpetrators, congress is that. >> what do you say to people who look at this and say she's running for president in 2020. >> this is something i've worked on each in institution that prey on women and don't value them. i've been working on it in all
of these contexts on a bipartisan basis for many years. >> hillary clinton, obviously, failed to crack the glass ceiling first in 2008 and then in 2016, do you think a woman could get elected in 2020? >> without a doubt. i think what hillary clinton accomplished inspired women worldwide to say i can run for the toughest job and ask women and girls to strive for their ambition and the leaderships and opportunities they should take. >> my thanks to senator kirsten gillibrand for that conversation. when we come back, ben wittes joins us to talk about president trump's attempt to force the issue of -- with the doj. wish we got money back on gym memberships.
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we begin with another school shooting. >> another gun tragedy. >> americans are mourning again. >> 30 minutes of terror that claimed 10 lives. >> what can be done to protect our children? >> more mental health counseling. >> pass a piece of legislation that requires parents to safely store their farms. >> -- firearms. >> it's three letter word, the nra. >> the disease isn't the second amendment.
it's youngsters steeped in cultural violence. >> violent movies and video games. it's not about the guns. it's about us. we should have fewer entrances. >> i think those are the most idiotic comments i've heard about gun safety. president trump suggesting he's been framed by his justice department. >> infiltrating his campaign for political reasons. >> probably the mother of all leaks of all time to two major papers. >> now we have an fbi informant in the campaign. that's worth an investigation. >> we don't know if there's one or more informants. >> it appears to be an effort to silence the president's supporters. >> i sounded like president obama or hillary clinton were sort of master minding all of this. >> if any of that is true, it's a red line in the country. you can't do this to political campaigns. all of that happened a mere 11 hours ago. so as we welcome you back to
"kasie dc." everything has changed. welcome to our second hour. president trump taking the fight to another level tweeting he will demand that the doj look into whether the fbi or the obama era justice department infiltrated his campaign. they've asked the inspector general to expand the review into finding out if there was any political motivation. it stems in part from recent reports that an fbi informant spoke to three trump campaign associates during the campaign. that happened only after the fbi had evidence that two of the three had suspicious contact with russians. the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, tells nbc news the informant must have been in the campaign orbit, someone likely low level. the president's actions shouldn't necessarily come as a
surprise. late last year he told michael schmitz i have absolute right to do what i want to do with the justice department. meanwhile we have a new clue as to when at least one part of mueller's probe will wrap up. giuliani says mueller will finish the obstruction portion by september 1st. giuliani said they plan to write a counter report that may or may not become public depending on the special counsel's findings. back with me on set is jake sherman and joining us is phillip rucker. former political director for hillary clinton's 2008 campaign, guy see sal. and senior fellow at the brookings institution and msnbc legal analyst ben wittes. i want to start with you, ben, because i hope you can help cut through all the noise that has
come as the president seized on these reports and had gun tweeting with what happened with the department of justice. what significance should we take away from what rod rosenstein said tonight? >> it's a way to head off the president's demand for a full investigation of these allegations that, you know, have been kind of floating around. whether it will work, of course, remains anybody's guess. the president tweeted today that he was going to formally demand tomorrow that the justice department investigate the set of things and whether -- whether the deputy attorney general saying we've asked the ig to include a look at this -- >> you think they have to go further? >> i don't know. that requires that you sort of inhabit the mind of donald
trump, which is a place i don't try to spend a lot of time. you know, where he will be tomorrow is anybody's guess. if he's serious about demanding what he tweeted that he was going to demand, that is a very, very scarry thing. >> phil rucker you do spend a let of time at least reporting what's going on in the mind of president trump, and you tweeted earlier today, the presidential order to investigate the source, is a show down with the doj and if the doj doesn't come play with the order things could get messy. >> yes, senior folks in the white house are concerned how messy it could become. because trump is not going to stop with what he tweeted today. he has said through rudy giuliani, he has not given a direct order but said through his lawyer that he wants the department of justice to release these records that congressman nunes and others have been
investiga requesting about the source. president trump may order them to do that. >> release them publically? >> release them to congress, which could be releasing them publically. that's something that the department of justice has said they're not willing to do. this could be a series of domino effects ins gaited by the president that could be messy for his administration. there could be a refusal at the doj to follow the order, which could end up in a resignation. that's where it could end up and there's a great deal of concern in president trump's orbit about that. >> how about with jeff sessions and this context with rod rosenstein? >> the president is always upset and frustrated with the attorney general. i think others in the white house recognize he's doing his job at the department of justice and realize how difficult the situation is, but they know that
the president is not satisfied with where things are right now and he's going to keep gnawing at this. and he has rudy giuliani out there a couple steps ahead of where the president is so far indicating where things are going to be going. >> jake sherman, do you think if the doj was forced to give these documents to the white house, would nunes and company leak them? how quickly would we see them? >> i don't want to accuse any members of congress of leaking things. but i think it will become almost instantaneously. in the context of capitol hill, if there was a show down between the white house and the department of justice it's going to cause a rift on capitol hill in a place where there is already rifts. you'll have republicans who say this is improper and the president shouldn't be doing this stuff and we have to take over. and the republicans do not need
another issue to be split over right now and this would be a huge issue for them. >> what are the ramifications for democrats in the context of this? i'm sure you'll have people eager to jump on a lot of this, but i feel the pressure from leaders is let this playout. >> one of the challenges with the house intelligence committee is every time information is given to them, it comes out in the most partisan manner, devin nunes writes memos that have inaccuracies and it bogs down members in responding to those things instead of expanding the investigation, a bipartisan search for the facts. the last thing we should do is respond with anything that rudy giuliani told us or asserts that or thinks that, because we've seen multiple times those just don't prove to be true a significant portion of the time. >> how much anger is there among hillary clinton associates that -- we learned essentially
in these reports on friday that the trump administration had opened this counterintelligence -- the fbi had opened this counterintelligence investigation, they were working with informants and americans went to the polls without knowing this while james comey right before the election went out and talked about the e-mail server. >> you can always find hillary clinton associates angry about something with the 2016 election. i think most of us want to get to the truth and move forward. ultimately a lot of us believe once we see a full review of the facts, they're going to accrue to the president's detriment. that's why you see the tweets. bluster comes because you're insecure, because you're worried about what's coming next and you want a shiny object to point everybody to so we avoid getting to the bottom of it. >> benjamin wittes, what's your sense big picture of what the doj, fbi was doing -- what's the historical significance of that?
>> i think it's really schismim and a huge amount of smoke is thrown up to obscure what is simple which is the fbi picked up signals that russia was trying to infiltrate a political campaign and they began a counterintelligence inquiry to protect the american political system against infiltration from a foreign actor, and they used standard investigative techniques to do that. the investigation appears to be properly predicated and what is happening now is a system attic attempt to discredit the mueller investigation by casting doubt on the origins of this very unsurprising action that the fbi would have taken, and properly took, when indications that a foreign adversary power was
trying to penetrate a political campaign and recruit people within it. >> meanwhile, top house republican leaders are striking contrasting tones on the mueller investigation. here's my question with house speaker paul ryan this week and then steve scalise earlier today. take a look. >> recently the vice president told andrea mitchell he thinks it's time for mueller to wrap it up, do you agree? >> i think he should be free to do his job but i would like to see it get wrapped up, of course. we want to see this thing come to its conclusion but i've always been said he should be free to finish his job. >> you don't think it should be accelerated. >> it's been a year, i would think it's coming to its conclusion. >> the fbi needs to get their house back in order, stop going around on witch hunts and get back to their main objective. >> you spent a lot of time covering these two gentlemen. >> in their head like you said a
minute ago. >> indeed. is this explained by the fact that steve scalise is maybe in a leadership royace to replace pa ryan? i think it was interesting to see paul ryan come out and take that line. >> ryan, it seems to me in listening to that that ryan was trying to keep up with the times and where the rest of the party was going on this issue. he's taken the consistent position from the beginning that the mueller investigation needs to come to a conclusion in a natural way not a you need to finish it now way. scalise is further right than ryan. and of jim jordan and those other guys and he's also in a leadership race. that's what we saw there. i want to say one thing about giuliani. what he's done is created a political construct where if it doesn't wrap up by september it's in everyone's head it needs to wrap up by september.
looking at it from a midterm perspective, which everyone is, and undoubtedly 535 members of congress will be thinking of it that way. >> right. >> i don't think anything from now on can be viewed as impacting the midterm elections. we're not that far out. people are campaigning, there's races around the country coming into full bloom. so i don't think -- i think if anything happens between now and election day if he does issue some report it's going to have a huge impact in november. >> what's your advice to democrats who are up for reelection or challenging republican incumbents on this time line question? should they be out there talking about it or try to steer clear as you pointed out before, talk about other stuff? >> from my perspective, all of the issues around mueller and the associated things related to it are getting plenty of coverage. we're not spending a lot of time on set talking about health care or the impact of taxes or whether or not premiums are
going up or talking about teacher strikes. so my advice to candidates has been consistent, let the investigation go forward. make sure it's investigated in capitol hill, on capitol hill and until the mueller investigation and talk about other things, health care, taxes, gun safety. because ultimately there's nothing more you're going to add in a 30 second campaign commercial that's going to help you get elected. there are issues that americans care about that you should care about that will help you get elected. >> jake sherman, thank you very much. appreciate your insights. we're going to dig into the plans for trump tower moscow that went further than anyone realized. and later, michigan congresswoman debbie dangle was leading the charge in washington on changing things after the last mass shooting. we'll talk to her about where things stand now. "kasie dc" back after this. tal. there's no monsters. but you said they'd be watching us all the time.
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welcome back. last summer "the washington post" reported that president trump's long-time attorney, michael cohen, wrote top putin aid, dmitry peskov in 2016 about reviving a deal to build a trump tower moscow. cohen later told lawmakers the project was abandoned for business reasons and that he never received a response from peskov. but new reporting refutes cohen's story. according to buzz feed, cohen was conducted and was invited to
moscow for a, quote, working visit on the project. he was told they would tour the land and set up a follow-up visit with trump himself. it's unclear how cohen responded but agreed to submit travel dates for himself and trump that would send them to moscow after trump secured the republican nomination. and cohen was informed that dmitry peskov was inviting him to an event and might introduce him to vladimir putin. his attorney did not respond to our request for comment. so i would to bring in anthony cormier, itthe reporter who bro this story. first of all, can you explain whatever it is you're able to tell us about the new information about michael cohen and trump tower and what it means into the broader
investigation of collusion? >> without getting into sources. we were able to obtain all of it, the e-mails, text messages, the renderings, even the transcripts from some of the testimony in congress. the top line is it's clear that the president had locked up the republican nominee, he still attempted to montize that race, or michael cohen was. and beyond that there are russian billionaires, oligarchs who were desperate to get mr. cohen and mr. trump over to russia for a face-to-face meeting if not with vladimir putin himself, with some of his top deputies. >> i want to ask you quickly, given what we know about how this was set up, is there any way to think this was anything other than a kgb attempt at
intelligence gathering or source generation? >> one of the most interesting things about the story -- which has not gotten nearly enough attention, by the way -- is they report that felix sater, who was the broker in between the trump organization and the russian side, was dealing with somebody he knew to be a former russian military intelligence officer and that he has specifically said that he was aware that once you're a russian intelligence officer you're always a russian intelligence officer. in other words, the trump organization was doing business with somebody who their own broker knew to be a russian spy. and i do not know how to read this story as anything other than another example of a sustained russian attempt to -- you know, to infiltrate the trump organization and the group of people around it.
one of the other things that anthony and jason report in the story, that i think is just stunning, is that these negotiations went on much longer than anybody has acknowledged and that as late as may and june of 2016, the trump organization, in the person of michael cohen, is still negotiating the possibility of a trump visit to moscow for this purposes of inking the deal on this tower after the republican convention. >> right. and anthony, that would have been well at the point where it was clear that -- to almost everybody that donald trump had the nomination locked up after indiana, you know, he became the presumptive nominee. one of the other pieces of your reporting that i wanted to ask you about you write cohen was on the radar of the fbi for communicating with people who were involved in, or had knowledge of, meddling in the
election. do we know who those people are? >> i don't. i think there would be a different headline on that story if i did. >> what do we know about them? >> other than what we reported, a whole lot. our sources are not telling us at this point whether or not these are the same individuals that are mentioned later, whether it's this boxing promotor or peskov himself. we're sort of digging there's, but it's a rather momentous thing. this is michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer, having conversations with the very people who at least knew about the election hacking, if not those that took a role in it. >> so that potentially suggests that in addition to all of the referrals we know a portion of this investigation into michael cohen has been turned over to the southern district of new york, presumably his business dealings, his taxi medallions, et cetera. this would suggest there is
style quite a bit of material on cohen himself that is squarely in the purview of robert mueller and the special counsel. >> that's true. we know material has been retained by the osc. we know officials were involved before mueller, so these were folks looking at this counterintelligence investigation that michael was already involved in the counterintelligence investigation quite a long time ago, before robert mueller came aboard. >> anthony cormier, great reporting. ben wittes thanks for your insight and analysis. just ahead on "kasie dc," congresswoman debbie dingell joins me on set. and a little crowd measuring from one president to another. >> this is a wonderful crowd. jerry told me before we came here that it's even bigger, i hate to say this, than it was last year. (vo) why are subaru outback
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flooded the state house and demanded action. florida governor rick scott listened and signed a bill that tightened gun laws in his state. and the white house was listening, president trump hosting the survivors, and then that remarkable round table with a bipartisan group of lawmakers. >> it would really be nice to create something that's beautiful. that works. it doesn't make sense that i have to wait until i'm 21 to get a handgun, but i can get this weapon at 18. i'm curious as to what you did in your bill? >> we didn't address it, mr. president. >> because you're afraid of the nra. >> yet here we are again. i want to welcome democratic congresswoman, debbie dingell of michigan to the set fp thank you for being here tonight. i really appreciate it. >> i like being here. >> let's start with this difficult issue you and i talked about the last time you were on the show. the one thing that changed is
republican governor rick scott did make changes. governor greg abbott of texas, also a republican, came out and sounded the way a lot of democrats have been sounding saying thoughts and prayers aren't working, ef to do something else. do you think this is going to be the issue that is going to be a ground swell that does sweep the congress or still no hope for real change? >> i'm never going to stop fighting for real change. let's start there. by it's really starting out there again people have gone to their corners, i'm a number one target of people right now saying i want to go in their homes and confiscate their guns, i want to make it clear, i do not want to confiscate anybody's guns. my husband probably has more guns than most of the people watching out here. but we need to do things -- one, we have a mental health system that has been destroyed over the last two decades.
we've had 22 school shootings this year. most of those have been done by people who got those guns in -- from their family in some way. we need to make sure that people are locking up their guns and keeping them safe from people. most recently, which has people stirred up and saying i want to confiscate their guns, which i don't. we did it with two republicans. fred and i have been trying to find this package of bills -- >> you're feeling significant backlash for doing that? >> yes. but i'm not -- i'm the right person to go after because i'm not afraid. i will do what's right because i know what it's like to be that student. i'm talking to these kids. they're afraid to go to school. >> when i was in high school, we didn't have active shooter drills and now it seems every high school kid in america is saying they taught me what to do
in the case of an active shooter. >> that's giving kids anxiety. so the question is how to make the kids safe. it's one tool because there are other things we have to do. if law enforcement or a family member thinks someone is a danger to themselves or to the community to be able to take that gun away while they get help. you have due process, you have to file something within 48 hours with the court, and appear in court in 21 days. >> let's switch gears a little bit and talk more broadly about the news in the russia investigation and how it's playing out on the ground. you were at home in michigan talking to constituents. what is your sense of how much all of this conversation about the investigation, the future of the president -- do voters care? >> you know, there are -- in l.a. and new york and quite frankly probably ann arbor, my district, people do care, but i
think we should care. we should care that a foreign government is trying to intervene in our election. but the fact of the matter is the working men and women in my district around paying attention to russia. they're still worried about whether their job is going to be okay. i am hearing from one end of my district to the other about escalating cost of insurance, prescription drugs, the higher deductibles, people worried about their jobs. i have people worried their pensions aren't going to be there. i did a rally with pension workers. as democrats we have to talk about about what we're going to do for them and not just pointing fingers. >> do you think there's going to be a blue wave? you were joking ability being debbie downer. >> i do call myself debbie downer. i don't like the discussion of blue wave.
i wou there's a long time between now and november we don't want to put the cart before the horse. >> you guys are losing ground -- >> what are polls? i was the one saying donald trump could win -- >> that's fair. >> unemployment is down, it's below 4%. people have seen the benefit of the tax bill so that's out there. we have to talk about, the president did a prescription drug proposal a week ago friday that's doing nothing to really lower the cost of drugs for anybody back home. we need to talk about that, we need to talk about pensions. he came in my state and said if you work all your life, you should have that. i'm part of a pension committee that will be one of the most important assignments i'll have in my career. we need to talk about these
issues. we can't put the cart before the horse. the people supporting donald trump are still supporting him going into the election. there's a group of people that didn't vote last time, we have to energize. and telling them their vote doesn't matter doesn't get them to the polls. and then there are a lot of people that are super angry. so we'll see what happens. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you for being here. democrats are doing soul searching as they look ahead to 2020. they pitched maier message this week but are they still behind when it comes to vote everies? you're watching "kasie dc." we'll be right back. ♪ he's your home and auto man ♪ big jim, he's got you covered ♪ ♪ great big jim, there ain't no other ♪ -so, this is covered, right? -yes, ma'am. take care of it for you right now. giddyup! hi! this is jamie. we need some help.
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we've outtargeted or dataed ourselves where we identify a set of voters, we try to pinpoint the one thing that's going to move them into voting. and that's prevented us from talking about our values, a collective vision not just rooted in a set of policies but that finds common ground between a lot of working class people, whether you are white, african-american, gay andless bee jan lesbian, but we're busy trying to prove how smart we are to actually present one compelling vision. when you get outside of d.c. ballrooms and outside of d.c., a lot of the campaigns being run now do have a lot in common. look at the campaign ads run in the connor lamb race and alabama
race, they are all talking about medicare, social security, wages obopioid abuse. they're not as divided as it may seem when we talk about a set of people running for president or party leadership. there's different things on how the campaigns are acting out on the ground. >> one commonality we found in some of the speeches from the event we have bill deblash owe and a little more from cory booker. look at it. >> i think a lot of us over the years were miseducated. we were taught to be something less than proud as what we are as progressives and we were taught to water down our vision and goals and message, and it didn't work. it held us back. >> i'm one of those guys i want to stand with those people who are deployed, who are disrespected and degraded in a society. i want to stand up for them, i want to stand with them. >> so phil rucker, you and i
both spent time covering hillary clinton, and i heard in those words some of what e she had done and said. >> absolutely. you hear it in the words of so many of the democratis to hope o lead the party in 2020 but there doesn't seem to be a collective vision for the party. there are issues that candidates are running on but the connective tissue, theme, seems to be not trump. that may be enough in the midterm elections to win back the house, but 2020, somebody is going to have to emerge from the pack with a compelling vision and we haven't seen it. >> talk about commonalities, but the primary -- bernie sanders was on "meet the press" with chuck this morning. and he was asked about electability. they've described it as the person who least offends people, the mold of bill clinton, that
doesn't seem to be what is exciting voters in the democratic party right now. >> i think one thing bernie sort of missed on is there is a history of midterm elections and how difficult they are for the party outside of power. we come to this with our own different experiences. my grandmother was a white working class waitress, raised five kids on a working waitress salary. my nieces and nephews are african-american, i worry about them in ways fundamentally different than my white nieces and nephews. if we can't come together to work for my grandmother and my nieces and nephews, what are we? midterms are tough to find one message. it ends um being a referendum and certainly the president will make it a referendum on himself.
but the campaigns are about building those messages. you see the candidates trying out different things to see what connects. that's a normal healthy part of the process. we need to go through that to come out on the other side with something new and different and not retreading the party ideas we've heard the last 15, 20 years. >> is there a person you think -- we saw 16 republicans fall to donald trump because he was -- he was the bigger person standing on that stage. do democrats -- are they running into that same problem republicans are in the primary? >> we'll see a lot of candidates that can take on donald trump. but there's a difference in running as one of 12 republicans who becomes a president and an incumbent elected president who's running on his record. that gives democrats an opening that i don't think we'll have. i think we'll see a fresher face in this election.
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that senator john mccain. there's been a lot of reflection on his legacy. and he's also become a flashpoint in some of the congressional races on the republican side. kelli ward running for cindy. she thinks that mccain should step down because of his health issues. do you agree with that or do you think he should be allowed to serve out his term? >> i think there's a lot of respect and dedication to what he's given to our country. i think we need to be patient. his health has improved. we need to be respectful to the position his family is in. >> let's talk about one of the issues that has animated ear state and that's immigration. arizona is a place where president donald trump first generated a very large crowd. he saw on the campaign trail. do you agree with president donald trump's plan to build a border wall and many of the other policies that he has advocated? >> i was mentioning that i'm a
local candidate. i'm not running for office. the feedback that i'm able to provide, what i'm talking about on the campaign trail is really what i'm hearing from constituents throughout the district. i run a local chamber of congress. certainly i'm bored of security, it's top of mind. for the families and for their business. it would include a component of a wall. increase but up -- border patrol. there are components that me to tackle in the country. do you have want president donald trump to come and campaign with you? >> i would be honored if president donald trump came out to arizona to see more about what we are facing economic positions. it would be an honor to have a present in our district. >> hi, there.
i have a question about one of your fellow republicans in arizona, sheriff joe arpaio. one of the -- or the very first part in the president donald trump did in office was to grant clemency to sheriff arpaio. i'm curious if you thought that was an appropriate step and if you are supportive of his record? >> i haven't really engaged joe in all of these activities. he is in central arizona. i've been in the chamber world. southern arizona for many your. not an elyria i've weighed in on his actions. i really don't have a position. >> to continue on this immigration question, there is a district position in the house of representatives which would turn the floor over to take it away from the leadership. and they want to focus -- force a vote to help dreamers. would you support having such a vote on the house floor?
>> i followed this closely. i've been a supporter of finding a legal solution for our daca students. president trump himself said we are looking for action and to see congress act. i would support the position. i think it's in four bills. they provide a lot of different context. i think it's boring to have this kind -- conversation in our country. >> the president earlier this week referred to some immigrants and drug dealers as well as animals not as people. do you think that frederick was racist? -- frederick was racist? >> this comment was recently referring to the gang members that are coming from mexico. horrendous acts on people here in the united states.
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