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wisconsin so they can walk in gradation. if you want to help out, find out more at their facebook page. i'll tweet a link right after the show because every student if they've earned a diploma, let's help there be there in cap and gown get and throw that cap in the air. that wraps us up this hour. i will see you again at 11:00 a.m. and all day long on twitter. right now, more news with my friend and colleague, hallie jackson. hello, ms. jackson. >> happy monday, ms. ruhle. glad that you're back from windsor safe and sound. >> it was a good time, i'm not going to lie. >> we're glad you're in new york. we are here in washington where this morning a new front is opening up in the president's war against his justice department demanding an investigation of the investigation. the russia investigation that is. furious at reports the fbi used an informant to talk with campaign aides. rod rosenstein by the way giving a speech this morning. we'll let you know what he says, but that may not be the most potentially significant story of the day, because another trump tower meeting is bringing up a ton the new questions.
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this unalso in the summer of 2016, also featuring don june, or, but no russians. instead, reps from the middle east and apparently they also wanted to help donald trump win the election. plus, happening this hour, gina haspel officially takes over at the cia. president son h president trump is on his way to the podium in langley. the president takes on a former cia director who backs haspel big time and we'll see if the president has anymore to say about his demand for the doj to look into whether the fbi spied on his campaign for political reasons. he had plenty to say over the weekend on twitter in a whole bunch of tweets taking on the investigation calling it a witch hunt once again saying there was no collusion with russia, all leading up to that request, you could call it, for the doj investigation. i want to start with jeff who is over on the north lawn of the white house. jeff, we heard from rod rosenstein just within the last
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couple minutes. anything newsy? >> reporter: nothing newsy but it's clear the deputy ag is keeping a sense of humor now that he finds himself on the receiving end of this presidential dictate via twitter. take a look at what rod rosenstein said in just the last hour at an event here in washington. >> deputy attorneys general are very low profile, tend not to be recognized. if they're remembered at all it's usually for the memos they write about corporate fraud. >> reporter: so of course we were waiting to see if he was going to say anything about the fact that president trump is now using the authority of his office to perhaps counterthe russia probe for the first time since he fired james comey, the former fbi director. we should say that the doj yesterday within hours of this presidential tweet put out a statement making clear that it was going to integrate this request into an already ongoing probe. so here's the statement. the department has asked the inspector general to expand the ongoing review of the fisa
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application process to include determining whether there was any impropriety or moat tration in how the nfbi conducted its involvement in the russian investigation. i should tell a couple law officials i spoke with said that's an artful dodge. you can add to that this one line sentence statement we got red from rosenstein. he says if anyone did inphiladelphia trait or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes we need to know about it and take action. will this satisfy the president? we don't know. white house officials aren't saying. he we expect to get a letter perhaps today, the wording of which will be key. >> geoff bennett there at the north lawn. i'm going to ask you to hang out a couple minutes longer. there's something else i want to talk to you about in a few minutes if that's okay. >> reporter: sure. >> there's another big thing with bob costa, national political reporter and nbc political analyst which is, bob,
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is anything rod rosenstein going to do satisfy the president? anything at all. you've been rofrting on what's happening behind the scenes with republicans who are trying to figure out the end game here. what do you know? >> reporter: it depends on the timeline. the president has to see what the inspector general of the justice department concludes about any kind of political motivation of surveillance in that pr process of the 2016 campaign. you have to remember the president has a lot of people in his ear it's not just john kelly and others who have been urging him to work with the department of justice. it's also members of the freedom caucus who wanted to take a heard line against doj. >> you raise the question whether it's politically motivated and law enforcement officials i've spoken with on this program have said it's not political, it's not for reasons of helping another campaign or hurting one campaign. we're showing the mark meadows
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tweet, bob, here talking about how he believes it should go actually even further, right? >> reporter: what's going to be important to follow as reporters here is what does it mean to be politically motivated? that's the real -- >> yes. >> reporter: you have to underscore here. because when you think about this counterintelligence investigation that began in 2016, some people in the dupt of justice believed there was a reason, not political, but a reason to have a counterintelligence investigation begun. but there will now be new scrutiny with whether it's the inspector general or with the trump administration more generally, new scrutiny on how that all came together. what put together that counterintelligence operation? and the fisa warrants for the surveillance. we know about the steele memo, the dossier, part of that discussion. there's a secret fbi source, part of that discussion. what this administration is trying to do is learn more but they may learn that the process was on the level in the eyes of
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the doj. >> talk a little bit about the idea of this source, of the idea of potentially revealing a source. jeremy bash, who i know you've been on this set with talked about that this morning. here's what had he to say. >> that source may have played maybe a negligible role, it maybe playing another important role in another counterintelligence case where he's in touch with russian intelligence agents, maybe russian organized crime, others perts his affiliation with the u.s. intelligence sation revealed, his life is at risk. >> based on your report, how concerned is law enforcement about the idea that this identity of this informant might be revealed? >> reporter: they're very concerned and they've made that clear to the washington post over our reporting over the past couple weeks as we've learned this about this secret fbi source that has in part provided information to the mueller investigation. at the same time, they are talking about things jeremy's talking about in that there --
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these cia assets, informants can have fingerprints and involvement in different projects, not just the ones we're focusing on in our reporting. >> robert costa there at the post camp. bob, friend of the show. thank you for coming on and joining us. i want to bring in nbc contributor joyce vance and our panel, washington post political reporter amber phillips and po politico anna palmer here right now. joyce, sally yates was also on "morning joe" this morning and i want to play you a little bit of what she had to say. >> i think what we're seeing here is the president has just taken his all-out assault on the rule of law to a new level. and this time he is ordering up an investigation of the investigators who are examining his own campaign. you know, that's really shocking. >> so, joyce, adam schiff is calling this an abuse of power and nonsense. on the one hand you have adam schiff saying that. on the other you have rudy giuliani saying this is appropriate for the president to
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ask his department of justice to expand this investigation. which is it, in your view? >> well, it's not appropriate for the president to direct the justice department to open a criminal investigation against the president's political opponents. it's particularly inappropriate when an investigation into the president's own conduct and the conduct of his associates is ongoing. but the technical point here that i think we sometimes miss, and it's important to walk this back a little bit and get out of the political fray and think about what the fbi was doing in the closing days of the campaign. they weren't conducting a criminal investigation into the trump campaign, instead they were range counterintelligence case. they were looking at russian activity in the united states and trying to disrupt that russian activity. so these weren't overt steps taken to try to take the trump campaign down. >> and is it not accepted fbi procedure to use an informant to use somebody to try to find out
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more about some kind of a counterintel investigation? >> it absolutely is. and it doesn't require predication, you don't have toy fourth amendment right to be free of having a government cooperate to come up and have a conversation with you. so there's nothing wrong with this. in fact, it's the least intrusive meansed that the fbi could have used the they could have sent agents over to interview campaign staff and that would have gotten out in the press and could have had negative consequences. and so i think the takeaway here is that the fbi did everything they could do to avoid damaging this campaign. >> and rod rosenstein is expanding that ig investigation, and i want to bring anna and amber in on this because very quickly, within hours of the president's tweet the doj was out saying, yes, we will continue to look into this as geoff bennett pointed out. what happens if donald trump doesn't like what rod rosenstein finds? >> donald trump will possibly find a new avenue to try to attack rod rosenstein, would be my hypothesis, because we've
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seen at least since the beginning of the year if not last year, the president launch a full-scale attack against the guy who really is at the center of the russia investigation. and by that i mean, yes, mueller who rosenstein appointed is doing the investigation, but rosenstein is the one trump can fire to blunt or completely change or even end the investigation itself. so i see rosenstein in donald trump's crosshairs for a while. >> is he between a rock and a hard place here, anna? >> i think he's trying to do everything can he to appease the president right now. and i think one of the biggest things that you have happening right now is the pressure's on don june, ior with what his meeg happened with saudi arabia and we've seen it time and again. whenever the president's family is under investigation or the hot lights are on them, they try to pivot and deflect. >> you're of the distraction school? this is a distraction factor. >> i think it's a distraction and deflection. let's try to make this the story instead of russia being the
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story and don junior being the story. >> i will tell you sources inside that i've spoken with this weekend have said is he legit. he is legit furious about this. he's very upset. even those that acknowledge the president is putting his own spin on tweets incorrectly, everybody's so desensitized they don't realize what a potentially big deal that is. that is how his allies feel. >> down the think he's always been fixated on the fact that people don't think he's a legitimate president, that there was some kind of underhandedness. this goes back to what his fixation has been on for months. it's not surprising to me as soon as there's a little thread that he thinks he can pull, he's going to go and do it. >> joyce, rudy giuliani in his conversation with my colleague and friend cell loy o'donnell not only said it was appropriate for the president to demand this investigation, but he also said, hey, we think the special counsel is going to wrap it up by september 1st. that's what they've told us, that's what they've said prior to the midterms. here's one big thing that has to happen or not happen but there has to be a resolution to before
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then. that is will donald trump sit down with robert mueller or not? alan dershowitz was out this morning on a program that we know the president wafrptches, and friends, delivering a message to president trump. >> if the president can put this behind him by september 1st by sitting down in a limited capacity with questions that he can answer, that would be a good thing. but, you know, the mueller people could then say oh, based on the questions and the answers, we need another month. >> is that going to be a persuasive argument to the president, joyce? >> whether it's a persuasive argument to the president or not, it's important to recommend that prosecutors don't set artificial timelines. mueller will be ready to wrap this investigation when he's dotted his i ss and crossed his ts. it will be interesting to see whether derk witness's argument carriesny force with the president and how it weighs in. but did seems unlikely what
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we've heard day in and day out that this president can sit down and withstand the skrut acrutinn interview even if it's limit zblid appreciate you coming on the show. amber and anna stay where you are because i want to good back to geoff bennett at the white house. the presidents is real hyped up apparently about trade, geoff, with news on that front, right? >> reporter: yeah. >> i think the treasure skekt secretary might have been out where you are? >> reporter: i'll break it down four. the u.s. and china declared a trade truce ofrtd weekend. it might be temporary, but the reasons for it twofold. one, it's aimed as soonling the nerves of the investors who are worried about an all-out trade war between the world's two biggest economies. and two, the trump white house is going to need beijing's cooperation ahead of this planned summit between the president and north korean kim. it's hard to see how the u.s. would arrive at a peace deal with north korea without involving china which was kim's biggest political and economic
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ally. the president, as you mentioned, is tweeting about. here's one of the tweets. he says china must continue to be strong and tight on the border of north korea until a deal is made and, as you mention, steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary was talking to our good friend and colleague peter alexander on the driveway behind me a couple hours ago. take a look. >> tell us about north korea, there are reports that president trump is now the one who's getting cold feet. is that the case? >> i don't know that the president gets cold feet about anything. i think as the president has said, right now it's still on. that changes you'll find out about it. >> reporter: so that wasn't peter's voice but he was there. but this all comes ahead of this meeting tomorrow with south korea's president. >> yeah. >> he's going to do what he can to make sure that some this sum it is on sure footing. >> i'll see you later today. chuck schumer also talking trade. he just put out a statement on this saying when it comes to being tough on china's trading practices he says he's closer to president trump than to, for example, obama or bush.
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but he says the president and his team have to stick with it, be strong, and not sell out for a temporary purchase of goods without addressing the real issue. the theft of american intellectual property. forgive me for reading off my phone but that's what happens when it comes in during geoff's hit. more to come on and that more to come on new details about a meeting in trump tower right before the election. no, not that one. yes a yes, apparently there was another one. why it's now under robert mueller's microscope.
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while we were in commercial break, by the way, president trump left the white house. he's heading over to the cia headquarters in langley, virginia, where he will speak that the podium to formally welcome gina has pell of the new director. we'll bring that to you live while it happens. while we're waiting for that, we want to talk about this controversial trump tower meeting in the summer of 2016. no, not that meet, a different talk has also caught the special counsel's high. "the new york times" is reporting that in early august of 2016, donald trump jr. met with three people who are offering to help out the campaign. one was erik prince rare private security contractor who reportedly arranged the meeting. then there was george nater reason an emma satisfactory, and the third was joel zam he will, an israeli social media specialist. remember, it's against the law for foreign governments or individuals to be involved in u.s. elections. but, it's still not clear what, if anything, these guys did for the campaign. and don junior's people are saying it was not anything at all. his lawyer tells nbc news prior
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to the 2016 election donald trump jr. recalls a meeting with erik prince, george nader and another information, they pitched mr. trump junior 0 on a social media platform or marketing tragic. he was not interested and that was the end of it. joining me now is jennifer. jennifer, even if that's the case, don junior wasn't interested, that was the end of it, case close. is this still legally significant? why does this matter? >> well, as you pointed out, it's illegal to take any foreign aid in a campaign. the question is why were those other folks there? i mean, i can see why mr. zamel was there if he's pitch something sort of product. but the involvement of the uae and others gist brings up this notion of whether foreign governments were interested in the campaign or helping to set up some sort of quid pro quo arrangement in the event that the president won.
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now, of course, we have no idea if that happened. the special counsel's job is to find the facts first and see whether any illegality flows from those facts. there's still a lot to learn here. but another meeting, especially one that was not disclosed by mr. prince in his testimony is important. >> so what do you say to people who believe as it looks like robert mueller is looking into this, say this is outside of scope of what mueller can do? he is out of bounds on this. what's your argument that robert mueller can and should look into this? >> well, he has the ability to look into certainly the russian's interference with our election and anything flowing from that. you know, think many would argue that the interference with our election is broader than the russians potentially so that he could look into this. but, you know, look. if he finds facts that show illegality that's outside the scope of his jurisdiction, he can pass it off to another prosecutor like he did with the michael cohen case with the southern district of new york. do you see that happening here?
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>> it could be. the facts are very vague. we have no idea what was promised, in figure. it is interesting that of course donald junior's lawyer comes out and says there was nothing to it. it's the same story with the june meeting where he said it was all about russia and adoptions and that issue. and, you know, so we'll have to see what develops here. it's certainly an interesting development, but we just don't know enough about the facts to see whether it will go anywhere at this point. >> let me play for you guys what senator mark warner had to say over the weekend about this exact case, and then i want to bring amber and anna back into it. >> if the time's story is true, we now have at least a second and maybe a third nation that was trying to lean in to this campaign. and i don't understand what the president doesn't get about the law that says if you have a foreign nation interfere in an american election, that's illegal. >> so put this into context here. why isn't it normal for a campaign to take these kinds of
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meetings? >> you can -- jump in here, you can go to jail, legal experts point out to me, for conspiring with a foreign government. the trump campaign's argument has been we didn't get anything out of it. >> right. >> that doesn't matter. like in the most troubling line for me in the "new york times" report was sources telling times reporters that trump junior seemed open to this help from these foreign emissaries. that could be illegal. >> here's the context of the campaign. and i think objectively fair to say loosely organized, right, critics have said maybe bumbling campaign, didn't -- one arm didn't know what the other arm was doing, it was kind of a hot mess in this period when donald trump ended up becoming the republican nominee. the argument has been made donald trump jr. didn't know what he was doing, i'll meet with people, i don't know. >> but the intent here, as amber was saying, is not the law of the land, right? it's the fact that he was doing these meetings, the fact that -- and i think the broader implication here is just the fact that it wasn't just russia.
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we've spent so many months on russia trying to interfere in the elections here, but there were clearly other countries that saw an opportunity and were trying to make head way. >> does it put a different spin on the decisions the president has made over the last few months with cooperation with these countries? >> absolutely. we've looked at everything under a microscope with what the president has done with president putin. >> the blockade. >> exactly. how tough he's been on iran and a lot of his emissaries were supportive of that decision o indicated they would. >> i want to zero in on a guy who we put newspaper those pictures -- up in those pictures, bets da voss's brother, don junior, but george nader. he's the third from the left there. he is somebody who was apparently central to this, an adviser to the uae, now cooperating with the special counsel. gave testimony to the grand jury.
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robert mueller seemed to have zeroed in on george nader well before he was in the public spotlight like this. here's what adam schiff had to say. watch this interview and this caught our ear. listen. >> we saw the to bring in george nader but the republican members were unwilling to do so. he could have shed obviously a lot of light on this as well as whether erik prince's testimony before our committee was true or untrue. >> was this new to you? was this stuff new to you guys at the house intel committee? >> the specifics of this were certainly new, yes. >> okay. >> and of course disturbing as yet another indication of the willingness to accept foreign help. >> jennifer, what is nader's cooperation say to you? >> well, you know, he's smart to be cooperative. cooperative means you're not fighting with them and you get a subpoena you pretty much have to go or you go to jail. >> yeah. >> it's important because he obviously was there, he can shed light on what was said. that's really what they need to know. were there any promises here,
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were there deals made, that sort of thing. >> jennifer rogers, thank you. amber and ann, stick around. coming up, the top cop says he's fed up. a facebook post of his going viral after that deadly shooting in assistant fe. art osvedo talks to us next. i never thought i'd say this, but i found bladder leak underwear that's actually pretty. always discreet boutique. hidden inside is a super absorbent core that quickly turns liquid to gel. so i feel protected... ...and pretty.
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. we are back with a look at your morning's headlines. the kilauea volcano erupting again with the first serious injury now reported pay the man being lurt after he was hurt by what's called a lava bomb. here's our own miguel with splf those incredible pictures from on the ground earlier this morning. >> reporter: an incredible scene here in the is one of those massive fissures that have recently opened put it's one of many that are cutting through the leilani es skates outside the volcano. they're spitting guysers of 50 feet into the air. it's pouring a river of red into the ocean that's creating health concerns with toxic steam coming off the water. in neighborhoods like this one, they're worried about the fiery rivers of red and these fountains of lava.
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40 structures have been destroyed, 2,000 people remain evacuated '. is why the situation here even two weeks after the first reruptir eruption remains die nam zblik miguel was a safe zis distance from that fissure and no surprise that the big island is under a state of emergency this morning. the last couple minutes these official photos from the royal wedding of prince harry and meghan markle. we have not seen these before. this is my first time looking at them, they're gorgeous amazing. the duke and duchess of sussex. they were taken right after that carriage presession at windsor castle. you can see meghan, duchess and all the kids. prince george and other family members as well. kens significant ton palace these they're delighted with these portraits. want to thank everybody who participated in the ceremony saturday and well as people all around the world. if you walked into your local starbucks today, feel free
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to sit down, use the bathroom, you don't have to buy anything knelt. >> that's a new policy from the coffee company after what happened at a philly store last month, a manager calling police on two young black men who were there for a business meeting. starbucks is making these changes on top of new implicit bias training for all employees. in about 29 minutes from now, in texas a statewide moment of silence is set to take place at 11 clk eastern it will honor these ten people killed in friday's santa fe high school shooting. thousands of people attend the services to remember the life of a pakistani exchange student and the first. victims laid to tlerest this we. some, lake kelly clarkson, are saying enough is enough. >> i'm so sick of moment of silence, it's not working. like, obviously. so -- sorry. so why don't we -- why don't we not do a moment of silence, why don't we do a moment of action?
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why don't we do a moment of change? why don't we change what's happening, because it's horrible. >> according to washington post, there have been 16 school shootings zwluft year since columbine in 1999, more than 214,000 kids have been exposed to some kind of gun violence across 216 schools. one of those people calling for action is houston police chief art as vad doe who facebook post went viral. he says i want you to know i've hit rock bottom. this isn't a time for prayers and study and inaction. it's a time for prayers, action and the asking of god's forgiveness for our inaction. i spoke with him just a couple minutes ago. your facebook post has gotten a lot of reaction. a lot of people are paying attention to it. you can talk about what led to that? what led to you hitting as you put it rock botd tom? did you hit a breaking point? >> yeah, i think did i. this is the first time in my career i've been a cop for 32 years, i've seen a lot of tragedy, i've been talking about
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these issues for a long time but this was the first time in my career i was at a scene in a mass shooting at a school and got to witnessed the anguish and d the despair and i'm tired of. tired of my friends who i love dearly on facebook who think it's a zero sum proposition anytime you mention anything about gun sense or policies to keep guns in the right hands they start screaming and yelling about guns aren't the problem. i don't want to hear it, i'm done with it. you need to be part of the solution or i don't want to talk to you. a zero sum game is not what america's about and quite frank fli that ly, if that's your position we have nothing in common with the history of this country that's been a pragmatic nation for 240 plus years. >> what do you want to see done, chief? if it's not a zero sum proposition, what do you think could happen in texas which is a place that has had a bit of a different response to this shooting than we've seen in places like parkland? >> well, first and foremost i want to see policymakers focus
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on good policy for the safety of the american people, for the health of the american people. which means, not having talk when these things happen and then no action. we need to have a comprehensive, global response to this epidemic of gun violence. it's a public health epidemic. we need universal background checks, we need a national stand art. we need significant penalties for people that try to purchase firearms that are prohibited and those that sell them to those people. we need to not let people go to gun shows and say i'm a private sell, he show me the green bass so you can buy whatever you want. and it goes on. there's a lot that can be done. >> let me ask you this because none of those things would have stopped this shooting in texas. so how do you stop something like that? what you can realistically do that say you can't regulate what this person did. you skront stopped him with these laws.
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>> there's nothing that can stop 100% of these incidences but there's things that can be done to make them a lot more rare, rarer than they are today. with this incident, if you're going to have firearms in your home, most texans and americans are responsible gun owners, you need to keep them secure in the event that someone, whether it's a child or an adult, gains access because of your negligence and failure to secure those firearms. there need to be consequences. people rise up to the level of expectation we set as a society just like employers, and they will rise up to the level of expectations based on what the consequences are. there have to be consequences. gun violence can be impacted and we have to move on that quickly. >> step back and take a broad look here and i want to play you something that oliver north who is the incoming president. nra had to say over the weekend. >> the problem that we've got is we're trying like the dickens to treat the symptom without treating the disease. and the disease in this case isn't the second amendment, the
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disease is youngsters who are steeped in a culture of violence, they've been drugged in many cases, many of these young boys have been on ritalin since they were in kindergarten. >> so he's talking about there about the idea that it's the culture, that is it it say culture of violence. what's your response to that? >> you know, if there's a cult tufr violence and that's the way he feels, then we better do something and make sure that we do more to keep firearms in the hands of people that aren't going to be committing those violent acts. and the truth of the matter have we are not doing enough. and i'm fortunate that i live in a city with a mayor that's going to do something rare community that's going to do something and ultimately the youth and voters are going to doing. >> that brings me before i let you go my last question here. because i spoke with senior administration official this weekend who acknowledged there's not an appetite at that level inside the west twoing move forward on new gun regulations, for example. do you believe that this is going to have to come from the state? cand it co
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and can it come from a place like texas. >> it's going to come from the american people. i know a lot of conservative gun owners. i'm a fairly conservative person myself, believe it or not. they're tired and iffer in not going to do it, we need to put people in offices that will and we need to use the ballot initiative that we've used across this nation for a lot of good laws and sometimes some bad laws to make it happen. >> houston police chief art os vad doe, thank you very much for joining us here. >> thank you, have a great day. up next, it's not often cameras and microphones are invited into cia headquarters and this morning then are and we're there. gina haspel set to be sworn in soon as the director of the central intelligence agency. we're going to bring that you ceremony live. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people.
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through several rounds of pretty intense scrutiny. >> she has. in fact, she's the first member of the cia to have gotten through a confirmation as director after one hearing. a previous cia director's robert gates being one, had a lot of controversy over their nomination before they made it through. the other thing that's important about today, this is donald trump's second trip to the cia. his first one didn't go so well, hallie, as you remember. >> press pause there. we're going to refresh people's memories of what happened. ken delaney with the tee put let's play what happened last year when the president went to the cia. watch. >> the reason you're my first stop as you know i have a running war with the media. they're among the most dishonest human beings on earth and they sort of made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. and i just want to let you know the reason you're number one stop, it is exactly the
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opposite. exactly. and they understand that too. >> ken, here we are over a year later, doesn't he still have a feud going with at least his doj? >> absolutely. in fact, the informant that trump is trying to out right now may well have been a cia asset as well as fbi ats asset and there's a lot of angst about this ongoing battle and his comments calling this a witch hunted because this isn't just an fbi investigation, it's a counterintelligence investigation into russia election interference that involved the cia. in that speech it it was kind of a political speech. a lot of people viewed it as ib appropriate. what was behind donald trump there? those stars on the war memorial lizing fallen afs percent. backdrop that you're seeing is not the same backdrop, notably. it's a different part of the cia lobby. there will be an opportunity for undercover officers to attend this swearing in and not be on camera. they will be in the audience and
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there will be a lot of former officers that supported gina haspel. but it will be interesting to see whether donald trump sticks to the script or whether he goes and ad-libs like he did before. >> krista welker, you and we are on day two, this year we know that the backdrop of all of this is him being furious with his doj, calling on this investigation to be expanded into the investigators. really demanding in his own words that the justice department look into this purported informant that had contacts with members of his campaign. did the doj, did the fbi abuse its spy powers? that's what he wants them to look into. now, again, rod rosenstein, the
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department ag saying we will look into this, we will determine if there was any improprietity here. the question is, and you've been talking about this throughout the hour, hallie, what will he find and what he finds doesn't satisfy the president, what next steps could we expect to see from this president? it underscores the tensions that have exit from the very beginning of the presidency and that continue to this very day, particularly as the russia probe drags on and on. we know that rudy giuliani, the president's attorney, over the weekend sort put a deadline on '. they were saying he was wrapped up and is that the case? it's clear that the trump team would like for that to be the case. in terms of the reality, here's the unknown. here's the other part in terms of what we're expecting to see from the president today, this is a win from the president. gina haspel was facing steep
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odds. they did win over six democrats who voted for her despite the fact there were a lot of questions about her role in the enhanced interrogation program. and she did have broad support for members within the cia. >> yeah. >> so i think that you are going to expect most of his remarks to focus on that, to be touting gina las pell, but i wouldn't be surprised if he made an indrekt reference to everything that we're talking about here. >> fair pont. thank you. we stwheent you what's happening on the other side of your screen. president is there ready for the ceremony. i believe the national anthem will be sung, there's secretary pompeo next to gina haspel as well which means we'll be seeing the president. just this morning he addressed the iran nuclear deal. this swh gina haspel is sworn in when there are real questions about north korea, the president getting cold feet when it comes to this summit. he's got a lot of questions about how this moves forward. >> absolutely. and he should.
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and he should. because what the administration has promised is complete verifiable and full denuclearization of north korea. but we haven't seen how they're going to get from point "a" to "b." in fact the administration has started to walk that back a bit. we have heard secretary pompeo last week speak about a process by which north korea would give up some of its chemical weapons programs, biological weapons programs but would have a nuclear arsenal that could threatening the united states if the could be clear that this was always pie in the sky, that they never had a clear path to get from "a" to "b," but we don't know yet. >> secretary pompeo prior to coming over to langley was speaking about a different event this morning. here's what he said. >> we will apply unprecedented financial prep pressure on the iranian regime. the leaders in tehran will have no doubt about our seriousness. these will indeed end up being the strongest sanctions in history when we're complete. >> one of the things that i
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think is very interesting that we're starting to see is there was all this tough talk about trump and his administration and we were all wondering for the past several weeks is this going on? is there a nuclear deal with north korea? are we going to find some deal on china and trade? right now what we're seeing is a pullback, i think you sthau in his remarks there. we've seen that with the president looking at north korea wondering can they get any progress there. >> it's possible that politically the president realizes which is rare for him that he got out over his skis. iran will suddenly stop all efforts to create anything nuclear. >> the invocation is happening now over at that swearing in ceremony. we will see president trump speak just after that so when i rudely interrupt you, ned, please graciously forgive me. >> the point that iran will now fats strongest sanctions in history is patently false. that's impossible because we cannot bring back our european partners as well as russia and
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china. the parties we worked with originally to get iran to the table. to get to the table in the process that led to the nuclear deal. if these are just american sanctions against the iranian economy, they are not going to have working with the uk, france, germany, the european union, russia and china, we were able to leverage going into this. this is a different method here. >> i was a question on that. trump's allies point out that they were able to get russia and china on the u.n. security council to agree to tough sanctions on north korea, which arguably led to the singapore meeting. >> thiese are apples and orange. what led north korea to give up their nuclear program, we suspect, was the fact that kim jong-un achieved a certain level of capability with his nuclear program. yes, there were biting sanctions that were the course of, i think, nine u.n. security council sanctions resolutions.
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they span from the bush administration, obama administration, and two, i believe, in the trump administration. this is years of biting sanctions that built up on north korea. yes, with international unity. it is not something we'll have in iran going forward. precisely, it is not iran that's isolated. it is america. >> do you give any credit to the president for pulling the singapore meeting together? i mean, listen, it's happening, right, potentially. if it happens on june 12th. >> it is happening. this is something that successive north korean leaders wanted. this is what kim jong-un has longed for. he longed to have the spotlight. he longed to be on par with his american counterpart. his father did, too. the fact that this is coming together, it shouldn't be a surprise. of course, president trump also wants it. in some ways, president trump may actually want it more than kim jong-un. that's the danger in this. president trump has given over all the leverage to kim jong-un. >> president trump now stepping forward to the podium at cia headquarters. the swearing in of gina haspel.
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let's listen in. >> thank you very much. good morning. i want to thank all of you and our distinguished gegs eed gue joining us today for a ceremony like few will ever have again. this is a very special one. including vice president pence, secretary pompeo, secretary mnuchin, secretary choi, secretary perry, secretary nielsen, director coates, and my nominee, robert wilke. thank you very much. i want to give a special thank you to chairman and senator richard burr. thank you. and a courageous man, congressman devin nunes. thank you for being here.
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appreciate it. most of all, i want to thank you, the dedicated men and women of the central intelligence agency. it is a true honor to stand here today before the most elite intelligence professionals on the planet earth. nobody even close. you face down our enemies. you protect our families. you stand and watch over our great nation. you don't do it for fame or f fortune or glory. you do it for our country. america is forever grateful. thank you very much. we're here today for the swearing in of a very special person, your new cia director. someone who has served this agency with extraordinary skill and devotion for 30 years. gina haspel. gina, congratulations. there is no one in this country
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better qualified for this extraordinary office than you. by the way, if you don't agree with that, please let me know now before it is too late, okay? immediately. you have to do it quickly. you live in the cia. you live the cia. you breathe the cia. now, you will lead the cia. congratulations. [ applause ] okay. that means we're keeping her, right? that's what we were waiting for. they love you. they respect you.
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they respect you. a native of ashland, kentucky, gina's father served in the u.s. air force. she spent much of her childhood overseas. from a young age, she was instilled with a deep love of our country, which combined with a thirst for adventure, that led her to the cia. throughout her storied career at this agency, gina has truly done it all. she's completed seven field tours, served as a case officer, recruited assets, sanctions, captured terrorists, and disrupted networks that proliferate deadly weapons. they send those weapons all over, and you catch them. you're going to get even better now. better than ever before. you're the best. you're going to be better than ever before. we're getting you the resources to do it. our enemies will take note.
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gina is tough. she is strong. when it comes to defending america, gina will never, ever back down. i know her. spent a lot of time with gina. gina played a crucial role in our fight against al qaeda. her first day on the job at the cia's counterterrorism center was september 11th, 2001. she tirelessly hunted terrorists for the next three years. she went on to become deputy director of the national service. most recently, deputy director of the cia. during her decades of distinguished service, gina has earned the george h.w. bush award for excellence in counterterrori counterterrorism, and the intelligence medal of merit. most importantly, she has earned the universal respect, admiration and trust of her
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colleagues here at the cia, throughout the government, and all over the world. gina is truly respected. today, we also mark another proud milestone, as gina becomes the first woman ever to lead the cia. that's big. now, gina will lead this agency into its next great chapter. gina assumes the role of director at a crucial moment in our history. we are reasserting american strength and american confidence. by the way, america is respected
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again. you see that. instead of apologizing fur oe i nation, we're standing up for our nation. we're standing up for the men and women who protect our nation. we will be counting on you to confront a wide array of threats we face, and to help usher in a new era of prosperity and of peace. since the cia's founding more than 70 years ago, its courageous operatives have combined ancient craft with modern marvels to achieve unsung victories in every corner of the globe. i see what you do. i understand what you do. it's incredible. marked on the hallowed walls of this building are the stars honoring the cia's fallen heros, who gave their last breath for our nation.
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though many of their names remain secret, their stories of sacrifice and daring will live for all time. today, we think of them, and we honor them by pledging that the patriots of the cia will have the tools, the resources, and the support they need to accomplish their incredible, complicated, and oftentimes, very dangerous mission. the exceptional men and women of this agency deserve exceptional leadership. in gina haspel, that is exactly what you're getting. director haspel, congratulations again. i know that you will thrive as the agency's director and help keep our nation safe and strong and proud and free. good luck. god bless you.
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god bless the men and women of the cia. god bless america. i just want to thank everybody in this room for doing such an incredible job, and for giving gina that unbelievable support that she needed. it took courage for her to say yes, in the face of a lot of very negative politics. and what was supposed to be a negative vote. i'll tell you, when you testified before the committee, it was over. there was not much they could say. there was nobody more qualified than you. you are going to do a fantastic job, gina. thank you very much. so with that, i'd like to


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