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and i'll see you tonight reporting nightly news with lester holt. right now over to the capable hands of stephanie ruhle. >> thank you, my friend. i appreciate it. good morning, everybody. i am back. i'm stephanie ruhle. my partner ali velshi is off. it's wednesday, may 23rd, my son's birthday. >> a long-time associate of trump's personal attorney, michael cohen has now agreed to cooperate with government investigators. >> the question looming large, could the deal give prosecuters more leverage to get cohen to flip on president trump? it all comes as president trump stepped up his attacks against the justice department. >> if they had spies in my campaign, that would be a disgrace to this country. this would be one of the biggest insults and illegal. it would make probably every political event ever look like small potatoes. >> do you have confidence in rod rosenstein? >> what's your next question, please? >> north korea this morning
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trying to lay down another marker allowing foreign journalists including south koreans to enter the north to witness the dismantling of a nuclear test site. it comes as president trump appears to be backing off his demand of immediate denuclearization in an effort to keep the summit alive. >> there's a chance it will work out. and there's a chance it won't work out. he will be safe. he will be happy. his country will be rich. >> amazon coming under fire. privacy advocates want the online giant to stop selling powerful new facial recognition tools. >> amazon now marketing an advanced facial recognition technology to law enforcement agencies across the country saying it can identify faces gender, even emotions with remarkable accuracy. up to 100 in a crowd just this weekend sky news used it to spot and identify famous guests in the crowd at the royal wedding? >> when technology presents itself that is obviously a great way to enhance the safety of our
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community, we're going to use it. >> what we're talking about here is supercharged surveillance to track protesters, to target immigrants and really spy on entire communities. >> that's a lot to cover. this morning another guilty plea. this time an alleged business partner of president trump's personal attorney and fixer michael cohen. he's a lawyer, new york businessman, and a russian immigrant reaching a deal late tuesday with the new york attorney general's office. he pleaded guilty to steeling almost $5 million in state taxes. the cohen associate agreed to cooperate with prosecuters on state or federal investigations according to a source with direct knowledge of the proceedings. cohen pushed back in a statement saying this we are not partners and have never been partners in this taxi business or any other. here's the thing. this development could add to the potential for cohen's legal
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troubles to intersect with the special counsel's investigation into russian interference and influence in the 2016 election inching closer to decision on whether to flip on his boss. if he can or face prosecuters. joining me now, nbc news investigation's reporter tom winter and trish coughmkaufman. mr. winter, you first. if michael cohen says we're not business partners and rudy giuliani says president trump has nothing to do with michael cohen's businesses, then who and what would friedman be flipping on? if he's just a russian guy that doesn't pay his taxes, the government will just fine him and stick him in jail. >> it's a super question. we know that michael cohen part of this investigation is tied into michael cohen is tied to his taxi medallion business. so we know there's a lot of interest in the business he has in that. we know prosecuters are looking into that. we know that from what we've
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reported. so now we have some information that the taxi king in new york s city has pled guilty. when we look at that, we say is this somebody who and remember that friedman has already said that michael cohen is a client of his and a friend. so when we look at that, we say okay, does he have information that might be relevant to the ongoing criminal investigation into michael cohen. does he have information that might be relevant that we don't know about? he's been disbarred. these are all the things we're looking at. i think it does have when you have somebody in the same business as michael cohen, and we know that michael cohen is being investigated for his taxicab medallion business, we have to say is this a potential domino to fall for pressure on michael cohen? >> there's only a finite number of medallions. they used to trade at a premium. with the advent of uber, lyft,
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and other ride sharing services, the value of the medallions went to nothing. the fact that he's going to cooperate or could cooperate with state or federal investigators, is that relevant? >> sure. if this business associate in deed a partner deep cannily involved in mr. cohen's affairs and mr. cohen is involved in his affairs, the fact he's charged with crimes under state law by state authorities is relevant to the trump investigation because clearly the presidency doesn't have the power to extend a pardon to someone charged with state crimes. so it's no surprise if this individual is part of mr. cohen's business enterprise that he's been charged at this point, because it's a standard effort by law enforcement to try and gain cooperating witnesses to develop information on people who are suspected to be part of a criminal enterprise and elicit
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their cooperation. it depends on how closely involve third down individual is with mr. cohen's affairs and mr. cohen is involved with this individual's affairs. >> can we talk about the president talking spy gate? his claim there's a spy inside the investigation. while there could be people focussed on this, and it would make sense since you have p-- w the president is claiming and does anything seem fishy? >> it's not clear to me what he means by a spy. traditionally for those who report on this circle on spies if you will, when i hear the word spy, i think of okay, somebody who is actually infiltrated a specific group or a specific organization and is regularly providing information back to whatever entity they're working for. we've seen no evidence to date
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that suggested that's a t case at all. what we have seen and what my colleagues have reported and we've reported is that there were individuals that approached certain members of the trump campaign to perhaps that were working for law enforcement or people that have worked with law enforcement saying hey, you know, try to make an introduction. try to see where they would go with things. try to see what they would say. obviously somebody is going to speak -- if i come in as tom the fbi agent and you may be doing something illegal, you're going to speak to me differently than if you meet a professor or somebody who is maybe an associate or business associate. >> a social media expert, perhaps? >> a social media expert, perhaps. there's a big difference between law enforcement doing an investigation and saying hey, maybe we have gradual we have confidence in, somebody we've known and somebody we work with to approach somebody to try to get information. first is having somebody in a campaign who is regularly providing information back. we have seen no evidence of that so far. it's something we continue to
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report on. but it's something that frankly the facts don't support it at this point. >> it's a brilliant strategy on the president's part if his goal is to create new narratives, to create more chaos and confuse the public. and also to give the gift to fox news that they've got a whole line of stories that they can cover rather than talking about paul manafort's son-in-law flipping on him or michael cohen's business partner taking a plea. spy gate is red meat. from the reports you've seen, is there anything illegal about this informant? >> if what law enforcement had done was consultant with somebody who knew individuals and law enforcement expected of criminal activity and knew about the criminal activities, there's nothing at all wrong with that. as long as it's intended to pursue justice or legitimate law enforcement end. if it's intended for partisan purposes, then it may well be
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illegal. but for legitimate law enforcement or protecting national security, that's lawful. similarly, to have somebody deliberately contact someone suspected of a crime working on behalf of law enforcement as a considerable informant is not a crime and that's a normal, regular law enforcement activity. indeed, as members of the public, we'd expect our law enforcement agents to be doing that, pursuing aggressively suspected national security problems such as a foreign country trying to overturn our elections or intervene in our elections or to investigate serious crimes. from what i've seen of the reporting, it seems to be the claim there's a spy embedded with the trump campaign or that was embedded with the trump campaign is not based on facts. and if all that's happening is law enforcement is using a considerable informant, perhaps someone who's worked in prior republican administrations and they have a high degree of confidence with to interact with
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people they have predicate suspicion are involved in illegal activities, particularly national security violations, of course, that's appropriate. okay. of course that is appropriate. so if our goal is to get a little smarter, what we've learned is the president is making these spy gate spy claims. we don't see any facts yet. we don't see any wrong doing. he's successful at creating this chaos. and it's trump being trump. tom, tris, thank you. what we can do is take what we do know, slow it down and break it down. let's take a look at where the state and federal investigations stand with this new development. the investigation into michael cohen took a huge step forward with fareriedman's guilty plea,d it could bring anything he knows to the special attorney investigation. the president likes to say witch hunt. vander swan is currently serving
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time in a pennsylvania prison. the special counsel also secured four other guilty pleas. let's talk you through them. george papadopoulos, the former trump campaign energy adviser who pleaded guilty in october. a republican authored memo from the house intelligence committee confirmed he triggered the counterintelligence investigation into the campaign. michael flynn, the former national security adviser. this man pleaded guilty in december and remains the highest profile cooperating witness in the mueller probe. then there's rick gates, a former campaign aid and frequent white house visitor. gates was a constant partner and protege to paul manafort. and richard pinedo. he pleaded guilty to selling bank account numbers and stolen american identities to russians in the 2016 campaign. and there are more cooperating witnesses. george nader, an adviser to the
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united erm rats leadership. he's key to a newly revealed trump tower meeting. and sam noneberg. he initially said he would not work with the special counsel but testified anyway. and charged but not pleading guilty, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. he opted for court. he sued to get the charges thrown out in both washington and virginia, and there are also 13 russian individuals and entities, the most symbolish portion of the mueller probe was the charging of these russian businesses and oligarchs. they will likely never face trial but the charges stand as a statement by the special counsel. please, the president can stay witch hunt, and it causes a lot of noise, but what we just wa walked you through are all the
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facts we know to me, it seems impossible to call this an absolute witch hunt. next, president trump he's pressuring north korea to break down the nuclear site. what that means for potential talks and what happens to all that radio active material. we're going to break it down. - , your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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making good on the promise to close the underground nuclear testing site despite doubts over the summit between kim jong-un and president trump. earlier today south korean reporters boarded a plan to witness it. the north allowed the visit last minute. it originally excluded south korean reporters when it invited foreign journalists to watch what it called a closing ceremony. mike pompeo said talks next month between president trump and kim jong-un are still on even though yesterday trump said there was a substantial chance the summit wouldn't work out. >> there's places where we still have lots of work to do to find common ground. i'm hopeful he and president trump will get a chance to meet in the next couple of weeks. what's going to happen to those commemorative coins if it doesn't? let's look at what it would take to dismantle the north korean
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nuclear test site. it's a complex of tunnels inside mountains. dismantling has apparently started according to the satellite images and analysis from the online korean journal 38 north. the country appears to be clearing out small buildings and sheds at the site. the director of the nuclear information project at the federation of american scientists tells msnbc the north needs to destroy all facilities and structures used in the test program. he says blowing up the tunnels is one of the most important parts of the effort. the tunnels are likely contaminated and fissures created during nuclear testing can leak radiations for years. the north says it plans on collapsing each tunnel and blocking every entrance. this is serious business. the north needs to dismantle anything used to use longer range missiles including nuclear
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reactors, rocket and fuel factors brookings says the next step is the removal of materials that could be used. that's one things are turned over to international control. what happens to that nuclear material? what does it go? certainly not the town dump. one option is to let it decay. that would take more than 20,000 years. another is to burn it for power. plutonium can be mixed making it unusable for nuclear weapons but then used a fuel in nuclear reactors. joining me senior associate at mitt. kim jong-un has security concerns about the summit. i want to share what president trump said about it yesterday. >> he will be safe. he will be happy. his country will be rich.
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his country will be hard working and very prosperous. >> is there valid concerns for anyone's safety, and is this idea that north korea is going to get rich off a deal? >> well, i thought that was quite striking. the clip that you pointed to. he was really in salesmanship mode. he was saying this is going to be a great deal for you, and the part about personal security is sort of important. if you think about what happened to saddam hussein or the leader of libya. personal security looms marge for council. he's going to want an assurance that he's going to be good regardless of what happens. i thought, actually, that was a pretty good job by the president, and it also tells me that he is going to the summit. if this -- there were good signs today allowing the south korean reporters in. this thing is back on track. i think he wants to do it. and i thought you could see that
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in his expression and his demeanor yesterday. >> what does that mean to your point that the south korean reporters at the last minute were invited back in? reporters can look at the dismantling but none of them are experts. they'll never know if they've actually shut down all the sites or if there are sites within military bases. >> yeah. i think what will happen is there will be a negotiation, and if the momentum continues, there will be a set of formal arrangements that we would call verification, that would provide that. but we haven't even sat down for an hour yet. there's been so formal negotiation and already the north koreans are doing things and saying things. i think that's a positive sign. it tells me they want to have a good meeting. i don't know if they want to denucle denuclearize, but they want a good meeting. and the south korean thing today relates directly to that. there was sort of a disagreement and people started to worry everyone was going to get cold
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feet over military exercises, and north said to the south, we're not going to talk to you anymore. now they've invited the reporters to attend this event. that's a signal things are back on track. >> do you trust north korea has any interest in fully denuclearizing in you've been there and been involved in negotiations before. i'm thinking if i'm kim jong-un, the one thing i've got is nuclear weapons. why would i put it on the table and actually follow through with doing this? >> yeah. i think a lot of people would agree with you. a lot of my colleagues who think and write about security studies. i think they have more than the nuclear weapon. i also think they have conventional deterrents. after the korean war, we did not fight for decades, and they didn't get a nuclear weapon until 2006. one reason we didn't fight is they have a conventional deternlt. they have al tirtillery that co rain down on seoul.
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they have a couple of cards to play. when my friends say they'll never give up nuclear weapons, i understand that. my own personal view after 20 years, almost 20 years is nyou never say never with north korea. they've told me almost every position imaginable. if one person changes his mind, you're in a different world, and frankly, we're not very good at reading his mind. so my view is we don't know what's going to happen but let's test the proposition. let's have a negotiation. let's see if we can move forward and even if it doesn't end in that immediately, we're not having any missile tests or any nuclear tests. we're not talking about war. i would call that a better state of affairs. >> there you have it. no doubt. it's good things are moving forward even if it's at a slow face. jim, thank you for your insights. >> thank you. when we come back, dodd frank. it was passed to protect the country from another financial
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melt dour meltdo meltdown. why is congress rolling it back? or are they rolling it back or tightening it up? we'll talk about how it affects you and your credit. on friday, we witnessed the latest school shooting when 10 people were killed near houston, texas. it's been over three months since the school shooting in parkland florida when 17 people lost their lives. and a national gun control movement took hold. a new poll shows support for gun control is beginning to fade. a month after the parkland shooting in mid march, 75% of american adults supported strong or moderate gun control regulations. as of last thursday, just 69% were in support. why the slip in
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when i think about my favorite teachers, they're the teachers who teach me lessons outside of the classroom and with the way they make you feel. my teacher's a good role model, because she tells us never to give up. one of the people i think i have the closest relationship with is one of the campus security technicians. he makes sure i have a plan, i get my homework done, and it's just a really good role model to have. i want to thank my teacher for being so kind to other people. narrator: exactly why the california teachers association believes strong public schools make a better california for all of us. . welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. president trump will soon sign the biggest rollback of financial regulations since the global financial crisis. before you freak out, just listen. the house passed a bill yesterday that would dismantle some parts of the landmark dodd frank act put in place after the
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financial meltdown. it passed by a vote of 258 to 159. 33 democrats supported this legislation. let's break down the changes. first a little history. the dodd frank wall street form and consumer protection act went into effect in 2010 to try to prevent another economic collapse after major banks failed stocks plummeted in almost 3 million people lost their jobs and millions lost their homes due to foreclosure. the law puts strict regulations on the financial industry classifies banks with money of more than $50 million as too big to fail. the banks are subject to tougher riglations including so-called stress tests that determine a bank's ability to withstand a severe downturn. some banks are forced to come up with extra cash to hold in reserve in case of a crisis. the new bill raises the $50
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billion fresh hold to $250 billion freeing thousands of small and medium-sized banks from the extra oversight and stress tests. it exempts banks with less than $10 billion in assets from the rule which bars banks from making certain risky wages with their own money. it allows banks with up to $10 billion in assets to offer mortgages not subject to certain requirements. it's expected to make it easier for people to get a mortgage. joining me is executive director at msl group. all right. stan, i'm going to lead off on this. i think it's a good thing. in general, we've gone way too far in the house of elizabeth warren where all banks are bad. all corporate america is bad and then the house of trump that's just this deregulating. at the heart of it, the spirit
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of dodd frank was put in place because banks took too much risk and didn't have the money to back it up. you put dodd frank in place and view all banks the same, if you're jpmorgan, you say great. i have plenty of cash. for the small and mid sized banks that loan money to small business ises around the country, you were strangled. is it fair to make the argument you put the regulation in place. it sits there for a few years and now this is the time to tweak it. barney frank himself, the guy whose name is on the door thinks this is pretty good. >> there were a lot of people worried it was going to be a complete dismantling of the law. it was not that. in fact, even though donald trump wanted major changes, wanted to rip it off the shelves, congress came back and said no, we can't do that. as you suggested, it was designed to help smaller and mid sized banks. here's the issue. will this get some of the
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smaller mid sized banks to start merging, selling themselves? will it start a consolidation in the bank that will produce less consumer choice over time, and are we -- is this just the beginning of the dismajorityint this? >> you've already got mulvaney trying to dismantle the consumer protection board doing it by regulatory efforts. is this all they're going to be able to do. i suspect for this year it is, or is this just the beginning? >> with regard to mulvaney, i can understand the argument saying we don't need an extra regulatory body. if you want to take the cases and put them elsewhere, but still have other agencies or bodies going after them, have at it. let's tighten up the game. it seems that mulvaney is saying payday lenders are okay.
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on the department of education we're saying for profit education, not going to look at it anymore. it's different things to say the bureaucratic process doesn't work and we're going to let it rip again. if we let it rip again, that's when we're in trouble. >> mulvaney has gotten a lot of financial support as a member of congress for payday lenders in. this is not a strictly substantive decision. these are largely political decisions made by somebody who was trying to appease industries that he's been friendly to when he was a member of congress. >> i can understand the argument to tighten up the dodd frank. but vulka rule is specifically about banks who describe as hedge funds. banks should be here to make markets for investors. they should be here for lending practices. they're not there to be able to go to the fdic window and have traders rolling it around. you should do that in the asset management universe. what's the argument to say let's get rid of that rule?
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banks are making plenty of money. >> they're making record levels. the new statistics came out about the same time congress was voting on this. there's no excuse for it. you have to keep in mind the banking, the financial services profession is extremely powerful, and they see the rule stopping them from making even more money under the circumstances. now, one of the things you have to keep in mind is american and american lawmakers have short memories. ten years ago we were reeling in the soup. it was a difficult situation. did you have any doubt that there was going to be another situation at some point that will cause overregulation? >> of course not. as soon as you take the rules off, we start speeding and eventually we end up going off the rails. >> absolutely. and in fact, one of the things you mentioned in the introduction was whether or not members of individual -- individuals will be able to get mortgages and loans easier. we're seeing it happening with people getting sub prime auto loans.
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>> sub prime auto loans. don't you remember what happened? people involved in sub prime mortgages who lost their homes, their lives still are not put back together. and banks are killing it again. mnuchin is a treasury secretary. >> and gary cohn left recently. he was involved in this as well. let's keep in mind, this doesn't hit the biggest of the institutions. they have a variety of regulatory challenges and requirements that will ease up some of the pressures they might have felt to go whole hog like in 2006 through a little bit of 2008. >> give them time. >> we're doing it in good economic times. what happens when the economy turns down again? a lot of them will be in the same situation. >> sam, thank you so much. talking dodd frank. when we come back, amazon's latest product is a game changer. it's a facial recognition technology that can scan a crowd
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i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. a new law reforming america's prison system is making its way through congress this week. the bipartisan bill is called the first step act and is backed by president trump. mr. trump even pushed for it at a white house prison reform summit last friday.
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the house of representatives passed the bill overwhelmingly. now the measure faces an uncertain future in the senate. republicans and democrats are divided though not along usual party lines over whether it goes far enough. here's the first step act. $50 million to the bureau of prisons annually for the next five years for education, jobs skills lanes and drugs treatment. that sounds like a positive. prisoners could earn up to 54 days per year for completing programs and using the credits to serve the rest of their seaso sentences at halfway houses or home confine it. it requires inmates to be housed within 500 miles of their families and bans shackling of women while pregnant. if the first step act does not contain reforms to federal mandatory minimum sentencing laws that have kept low level drug offenders behind bars for
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decades. some including chuck grassley are pushing for those changes to be included. looking at the scope of the prison issue, there are now 2.3 million inmates housed in u.s. prisons. approximately 460,000 of them for drug offenses. there are 102 federal prisons. more than 1700 state prisons. and more than 1800 juvenile facilities, and some 636,000 inmates are released from those facilities each year. are we releasing them in a position to thrive? joining me now garrett haake live on the hill. walk me through this. i know you spoke to democratic senators cory booker and camilla harris, and tell me what they've had to say. when i think about what van jones has said, he's going it's a first step. it's called the first step. something is better than nothing. and bipartisanship is what people in this country have
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voted for. >> reporter: yes. there's a couple of different things. the mix of people opposed to the bill for different reasons. i'll set aside one. there are some conservatives who don't like what this bill is trying to do at all who oppose it. on the other side, the folks who oppose it, it's an interesting mix of liberal senators, libertarian senators like rand paul, and chuck grassley who is nobody's idea of a moderate. a lot of them have a problem with the idea that the bill does not address mandatory minimum sentencing, and doesn't really touch on real sentencing reform at all which a number of the senators see as one of the big drivers. it's not in this bill, and they feel like although the bill is called the first step, that there's no real indication that this is the kind of issue that the trump administration or republican dominated congress would take a second step or a third step. that they would take another bite at the apple. they'd like to see something stronger put in place right now, including a bill that's already passed out of the senate judiciary committee that could
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be the senate's response. there are some issues about what's in this bill specifically that has some of these senators concerned including camilla harris who i spoke to a while ago. take a listen. >> one of the details in that bill that gives me great concern is the risk assessment piece. and leaving that in the hands of this attorney general to create a risk assessment tool which will probably then be permanent and used for many other purposes such as even bail. >> it's not doing things on sentencing to address the real challenges we're having with throwing so many people in jail for extraordinary long sentences. >> reporter: the risk assessment part of this goes to an algorithm about who is eligible for what. there's concern any program put in the hands of jeff sessions who have never really anybody in favor of doing any kind of reform to the u.s. prison system might make things worse, not better.
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that's a broader issue for democrats if they don't trust jeff sessions to implement anything they might pass, then you have a larger problem. there this will be an ongoing fight and discussion on the senate side to see if they can't put something that might please some of the liberal senators forward and answer to this house bill. >> let's stay on that. it does surprise people now that we're living in an age of jeff sessions that anything relating to prison reform would'ven be on the table. now, those sponsoring the bill on the democratic and republican side are saying let's just leave out the broader criminal justice reform. we know there's going to be criticisms but something is better than nothing. is that a reasonable argument they're making? >> reporter: it's not for me to judge what's reasonable or not on this. but again, i'll say the senators who don't buy that think that if this is a token bill, essentially, an opportunity for the administration to say look, we passed something, we addressed this issue, and set it
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aside and use it for political purposes without really addressing the substance of the issue, then the democrats would argue that's not better than nothing. that's giving republicans a rhetorical win that doesn't address the substantive issue here that they would like to see tackled in a much more robust way. >> it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. you have the element some democrats would say from a political perspective, they don't want to give the president a win ahead of the mid terms, but i think a lot of people voted for more than politics. it's going to interesting to see how this thing goes down. garrett haake, thank you. up next, some say amazon's newest technology is a game changer. others say they're worried about it. we're speaking about facial recognition software. see how it scans a crowd and identifies exactly who's in it. at the top of the hour, president trump is going to leave the house for new york city meeting with donors and speaking on long island about the deadly gang violence in the
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spot. amazon recognition. it's a facial recognition tool that amazon says can scan in realtime. the company says it can determine a person's age, gender, mood, even if their identity ifmood, even their idey if they are in their database. it's using an able to track as a selling point. it's already in use by florida and oregon law enforcement but privacy advocates say the tech giant's newest offering goes too far. giving police expansive new search powers. kerry sanders in live in orlando where local police are using the technology. as i read this story, i was having flash backs of the book 1984 which haunted me in high school and the next 20 years. is brig brothig brother watchin that in our future? >> reporter: the orlando police
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department doesn't believe this is 1984 and neither does amazon. the real game changer is artificial intelligence. that's in oregon or here, the officers are out and maybe they have a body camera or where ever we go in public there's a camera. there's probably three cameras picking me up right now beyond the television camera. that's a database of information. the artificial intelligence is to load all of that imagery into an amazon computer and at the same time they've already loaded a database, mugshots, people that are on the ten most wanted list. here is where the computer does what man can't. it sorts through it so quickly. it says to officer fraendsly walking down the street, that guy you took a picture of, that
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you sent into the computer, that's somebody we're looking for and they turn around. problem is, you're out in public. you're walking around and something happen in your life and you're now on the straight and narrow. the computer is telling the officer who you are, what you've done. your privacy out in the public is not necessarily privacy anymore. that has some people concerned. >> i can understand that. >> in the wrong hands it can be dangerous. i think people will feel like it's going to be another way the government is kind of peering into our lives and big brother is watching. >> i think if you're using it for law enforcement, i would think that there would be enough parameters that would be in place to protect people from it being abused. >> reporter: the police say this is all about public safety. we'll likely see more of this. amazon weighed in saying amazon requires that customers comply with the law and be responsible when they use amazon web
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services which is a function of. when we find they are being abused by a customer, in this case possibly the police department, we suspend the customer's right to use our services. amazon clearly believes that this is going to be a growing area of law enforcement and again it's all because of the ability of artificial intelligence. >> we know the criticisms are people are just unconfidentable. they feel like it's big brother watching. it's so new it's just being deployed. here in orlando it's in a testing phase. say you're going to a soccer game across town and you and
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10,000 people are walking through gates. the picture could be put in the computer. say there's a 100 people in the picture. it can compare it to people in the database and say john smith who we have been looking for for three years has just walked into the soccer game. he's wearing a blue shirt a his hair is combed to the side. >> or a mom with three kids who walk into an amazement park and run into different directions, the idea to track them down makes me feel good. today wae're honoring an american war soldier. she was a 20 manager woman who had just been freed from
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welcome back. before we go let's take a quick look at the markets. we had so much volatility over the last weeks. it was a couple days ago after the chinese delegation met with president trump's economic team. it sounded like the fears of an imminent trade war would be put on hold. we saw the market like that. the white house take a bit of a victory happlap.
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he had the idea to put forward those tariffs. it's a bit like a doctor who made you sick who then takes credit for curing you. right now the markets are down just over a hundred. that's not a big deal. that's normal market fluctuation. always keep one eye on the big board. thank you for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." i'll see you again tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. eastern. right now i hand you off to my friend and colleague, andrea mitchell. right now, taxi driver. could a plea deal by new york city so called taxi king spell trouble for the president's personal lawyer. a possible sign that robert mueller is getting closer to the president's inner circle.

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