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and that's out of time for us. craig melvin takes over in new york. hey, craig. >> hey there, andrea. good to see you. good afternoon to you. craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. spygate. another day, another tweet or half dozen tweets from the president railing against the russia investigation. his rants come as two key people who helped him get to the white house feel the squeeze from law enforcement. also, protest penalty. breaking news here. nfl owners decided if you're on the field for the anthem, you better stand up and show respect. the penalties that a team will face if a player or team staffer breaks these new rules. and selling your privacy. the controversial new facial recognition technology that amazon is selling to the
government. it can pick your face out of a crowd without you even knowing. a lot of folks talking about this story. we'll get to those stories in a moment but start with the president's relentless attacks on the russia investigation. the latest seven tweets in the last 24 hours. the most recent, simply tweeting the word "witch-hunt." moments ago. president trump speaking to reporters outside the white house slamming the controversy again as spygate, demanding transparency. his assault that's sustained assault ramping up considerably over the last week. what's behind it? always hard to tell with this president, but here's the thing -- whatever his motivations, the assaults on mueller and the investigation may be working. meanwhile, president trump's longtime personal attorney michael cohen's business partner, he's cooperating with the feds, and his former campaign manager paul manafort, pled not guilty to charges against him, just left the courthouse 30 minutes ago. so far --
mueller's investigation yielded a number of indictments and guilty pleas. we know that. many in the country don't steam to care apparently. a recent cbs news poll reveal as majority of americans believe that the mueller probe is politically motivated. a lot to get into. we'll get to that poll in a moment. let's start with our nbc reporters. nbc's kristen welker live at the white house. nbc national intelligence and security reporter kim dee len d outside the courthouse in d.c. where mr. cohen just left -- mr. manafort just left. more on that. kristen, start with you. president trump continuing attacks on the russia investigation as he was leaving the white house a short time ago. what did he say? >> reporter: well, you're right. he essentially defended the fact that we've seen these attacks from him in the form of those tweets that you just mentioned. witch-hunt, spygate. my colleague hallie jackson
asking how he can continue to suggest there was an informant embedded in his campaign when, craig, there has been absolutely no proof of that. the president saying, well, look at the basics. the bottom line. looks like a serious event. we'll find out when they look at the documents. you'll see a lot of bad things happened. again, not providing real evidence but certainly digging in, standing by everything he has been saying. president trump also asked if he was undercutting the independence of the justice department with these attacks. he said, no, he's not undercutting anything. instead, he's cleaning things up. so a defiant president trump, and it does come at michael cohen's purported business partner agreed to cooperate with investigators, which raised all sorts of questions about whether cohen could potentially flip on the president. giuliani xbrrudy giuliani, atto president saying he's not involved in taxis. much more involvement -- has as
much involvement in it rather, as i do. an attempt by giuliani to really downplay suggestion this could impact the president. president trump himself, by the way, last month said he doesn't think michael cohen is going to flip on him. well, craig, this moment is a real test of that theory. >> ken, why was paul manafort back in court today and do we know what transpired in the courtroom? >> reporter: craig, you mentioned, paul manafort is one of 14 individuals who have been charged criminally in this investigation that president trump call as witch hurnt and ws in court so his lawyers could argue, to suppress evidence in search of a storage locker and in his apartment. the case of the storage locker, his lawyers argued the fbi asked an employee to unlock the locker before they had a warrant and used information from that to obtain the warrant. the lawyers argued improper. the court says in fact the employee had legal access. a complimented legal argument.
the judge did not rule today. bottom line, paul manafort faces serious charges both here in washington, d.c. and in alexandria, virginia and has a trial date in washington less than two months from now in july, craig. his case is moving forward and he faces up to life in prison if convicted in these cases. >> meanwhile, while all of this is going on, kristen, a meeting that's set to take place tomorrow between the doj and gop congressional leaders. what more do we know about the status of that meeting and who's going to be in the room and who's not going to be in the room? >> reporter: rbs wi republicansl be in the room, briefed on this classified information by intelligence officials. some of that information will relate to the informant. democrats outraged pushing back and today, craig, just a short time ago, calling for the gang of eight. a bipartisan group of lawmakers to be allowed in that briefing that will take place tomorrow. chuck schumer leading the
charge. take a listen. >> any meeting between the justice department and capitol hill about such information should only be attended by members of the gang of eight. if the meeting goes forward as planned right now, only partisan, only the worst actors on the house side in the room, no one should trust anything they say coming out of that meeting. it will be a sham. it will be a sham. >> reporter: sarah sanders asked about this yesterday, craig. why no democrats, as you said, look, democrats didn't ask to be a part of the briefing. chuck schumer called that outrageous. so today he and nancy pelosi sending out a letter to the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein demanding, again, that the gang of eight be a part of that grieving that will take place tomorrow. one more interesting note, craig, at the backdrop of all this, president trump was asked again today if he has confidence in his deputy attorney general. sidestepped that question. yesterday when he got asked that
question, he said, what's the next question? so refusing to say whether he has confidence in his deputy attorney general. >> two straight days done that now. for viewers at home, the picture we just put up, those four individuals was the gang of eight that kristen welker mentioned there. the heads of the senate and heads of the house on both the republican and democratic sides. also the house and senate intelligence committee chairs. mr. delanian here, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein made a veiled reference to the republican attacks that he has been sustaining as well. what did he say and what was the context for those comments? >> reporter: he did, craig. talking about new justice department policy against regulatory piling on. multiple agencies penalizing the same company but made it into a joke about his personal situation. take a listen to what he had to say. >> last night i learned that the merriam-webster dictionary using a different means. piling on, as joining other people in criticizing someone
usually in an unfair manner. i also have experience with that. so i am definitely against piling on no matter what definition you use. >> reporter: so this is really interesting with rosenstein. in recent weeks he's really been more unfettered and you recall our colleague julia ainsley had a report last month he said privately, look, i may get fired at any time. here i stand. taking it as it comes and stand up for what i believe is right in the justice department. interesting to see how that transpires going forward, craig. >> rosenstein seems to have jokes quite often. funny to listen sometimes. doesn't seem to necessarily take it as intensely as some other folks. kristen welker, ken delanian, thanks to you both. jennifer rogers is here, former u.s., assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york currently director of columbia law school center for advancement of public integrity
and staff writer for the "atlantic," also msnbc contributor. good to have you both here in the flesh as well. jennifer, start with you. michael cohen's business partner cooperating with the investigators. how concerned should president trump be? >> it's a couple steps away from the president that the so-called taxi king is cooperating, but he certainly knows a lot about michael cohen and they've worked together quite extensively. this case, what it's about to bring against michael cohen, the taxi king will have in1r06789 a involvement, and that's where we see the possibility of the president implicated by some of that cooperation. >> a great piece last week, that you had. in "the atlantic" of course. basically hit the highlights of the past year, and special counsel's investigation since it started. a recent cbs poll finds that 53% of americans, majority of americans, think that the russia
probe is politically motivated. politically motivated. this is what leslie stahl from "60 minutes," what she said earlier this week. >> at one point he started to attack the press, and i said, you know that is getting tired. why are you doing this? you're doing it over and over and over and it's boring and it's time to end that. you know, you've won the nomination. and -- why do you keep hammering at this? and he said, you know why i do it? i do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you. >> no one will believe you. leslie stahl there talking about an off-camera conversation she had with newly elected president trump there for "60 minutes." it would seem as if based on this cbs poll, it would seem as if the president's relentless attacks, surrogates going on cable news shows, seems as if it's working? >> this is the exact same
strategy, the one he uses on the media to discredit the press, the exact strategy using on the fbi and doj to discredit the entire russia investigation. a lot written this week how trump shifted into a new strategy. attacking the investigators. not entertaining the idea of sitting down with mueller anymore. it's not new. something he's done before even inaugurated before even inaugurated before he took office attacking the intelligence community and comparing them to nazis. something that donald trump realizes that his campaign and perhaps himself, they're in trouble. he knows this is a serious investigation that could get him on potential obstruction of j justice or collusion with the russians and doing everything he can to undermine the credibility of the investigators knowing that's one of the only ways if mueller finds something damning he'll be able to deflect and distract away fromonclusions. >> flip side, robert mueller
said nothing. the office of the special counsel. they have a spokesperson. not sure why they pay him because the spokesperson never actually speaks. you wrote in the recent article, all along mueller never spoke a ward. from your piece. is robert mueller's silence is it hurting the credibility of his probe? is it hurting the credibility of the russia investigation? >> it would if every single time mueller dropped something it wasn't an absolute bombshell, kind of undoing the months and months of attacks by people like rudy giuliani, by congressmen who are allies in the president in the media. all is wiped away when he drops indictment of paul manafort, michael flynn, the 19, or 13 russians involved in hacking essentially the election. it is hard for the challenges posed, call them challenges posed, by trump's allies to go unanswer pd by the special counsel, because, of course, he is not in a position to talk about it. he doesn't want to undermine the
investigation in that way and start this chain where he is forced to answer every single accusation by the president and his allies. that way it erodes the credibility of the investigation, but every time he comes out with something it's a bombshell and kind of undoes all talking points done in the last several months. >> jennifer, does public faith in the special counsel, does public faith in the investigation, does it matter? >> i think it matters a great deal. the special counsel is doing his job. keeping his head down. working hard. working quickly, in my estimation and i think we'll see more indictments. when we do, the public can evaluate it for what it is. read the indictments, listen to reporting on it and decide whether there's in "there" there. i think they will and people will be surprised by the substance of these accusations when they finally come out and hopefully it will matter in the end. >> do you get this in stone? you're one of probably 13 people in the country who have managed to follow closely all of the details of the russia investigation.
all of the drip, drip, drips and you synthesized and process it and share it with the public. sitting in ohio, are they following that closely? john kucinich. do they care? >> definitely not following it closely. that's the problem. listening to conclusory comments. it's a witch-hunt. not looking at the evidence but there will be a time when the indictments are out or the report is out or whatever it turns out to be, and then i think it will just be too strong to ignore. when you actually see a document that lays out exactly what happened here. who was involved. what people knew when they knew it. it's going to be too hard to ignore even for the guy in iowa. >> thank you. always good to have you both. breaking news we need to get to. the nfl decided how it will respond to players who kneel during the national anthem. the new penalties that the league is ready to put in place in time for next season. also, a face in the crowd. the powerful, new facial
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outlined the policy which now states in part -- all team and league personnel on the field shall stand and show respect for the flag and the anthem. personnel who choose not to stand for the anthem may stay in the locker room or in a similar location off the field until after the anthem has been performed. the protest caught fire after san francisco 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick started kneeling during the anthem to protest police violence against african-americans. protests in support of kaepernick came from players from several teams throughout the 2016 and 2017 seasons. dave zirin, sports editor for the nation and from nbc sports, rob simemeimmelkjaer joining me. dave zirin, writing about this a lot since it started. your initial reaction to the league's decision? >> well, people called the nfl the no fun league sometimes because of the way they crack down on celebrations. i guess call them the no freedom
league now as well. look, what the nfl owners are doing, the equivalent trying to put out a fire with kerosene and showing they still don't understand why players are protesting in the first place. it's not to protest the anthem. it's to -- not to disrespect the anthem. it is to protest police violence and racial inequity and a bra crackdown on players, more specifically, black players and how it will be read. they're tough against this policy they feel is in violation of the collective bargain the agreement. players will speak out, rebel against the policy and i think year suing fans speak out. compulsory patriotism is not patriotism. >> rob, nflpa, the statement coming out a short time ago. the nfl chose not to consult the union in the development of this new policy. policy being in quotation marks there. nfl players have shown their
patriotism through their social activist, community service and support of our military and law enforcement and, yes, through their protests to raise awareness of the issues they care about. did the nfl, end of the day, rob, essentially decide it really didn't care what its players thought about the policy? >> craig, i think what the nfl has done is to get themselves in line with other leagues. let's not forget, the nba has had a policy that's very similar to this policy since the 1980s. that's why we haven't seen this issue arise in the nba where, of course, players do care about the issues of police violence. they found other ways to speak out and express themselves on that issue, by wearing shirts in pregame shootarounds and things like that. they have not chose ton make their pro keft about the national anthem because league rules said they couldn't. i saw the nflpa's statement. they didn't say in their statement that this ruling by the nfl was against the collective bargains agreement.
they said they would review it to determine whether anything in it was inconsistent with the cba and if so, at that point might raise some sort of a grievance. at this point i expect the nflpa to go along with this. end of the day, everyone realizes, i think, this controversy, started two years ago with colin kaepernick has not been go for the league, for the league partners and needed to go away. this was a good way to make that happen. >> you think, rob, end of the day, it did, in fact, hurt nfl ratings that it was responsible for a loss in revenue? you think part of the reason was this? >> anytime you have the president of the united states speaking out against the nfl and telling people, hey, you shouldn't watch games. that's not a conversation that the nfl wants to be a part of. and that's not a conversation that league partners or anyone else associated with the league want to be a part of. so i think this is an issue that, listen, players will still
clearly have the opportunity to express themselves on this issue. they have the right according to this unanimous decision by the nfl teams to stay in the locker room and not come out on the field at all, if they don't want to be a part of the anthem. if that's their way of showing they're feelings or to protest, but, you know, i think there are lots of opportunities for players to speak out on these issuessitting during the national anthem won't be one of them and that is not a new position in sports. the nba has done it for years. >> dave, president trump has tweeted about this, a number of times. not necessarily recently. although it's still early in the day. one of those tweets, though if a players wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the nfl other leagues he or she should not be allowed to disrespect or great american flag and should stand for the national anthem. in not, you're fired. find something else to do. >> yep. firing people from their job for not standing for the national anthem is disgusting. it's an attack on people's constitutional freedoms. i disagree with my colleague on
a couple of points that he just said. first and foremost, i do expect the nflpa to raise a major stink about this. they have stated on previous occasions that they do believe that this is a violation of the collective bargaining agreement and don't believe that the collective bargaining agreement can be changed unilaterally and has to be kept in mind one of the reasons nba players haven't protested they felt they've been heard. constant communication between their union leader, michelle roberts and the nba commissioner adam silver and that hasn't been the case in the nfl. it's felt much more there's been a constant level of disrespect from the beginning. so i don't expect nfl players to be quiet about this. i think they'll see it as a form of erasure of their protest, silencing of the issue of police violence and will respond accordingly with more protest. >> one thing quickly before i let you guys go. dave, because rob brought up the nba. >> yeah. >> it does seem from the outside that while you have two professional sports leagues, you have one league that perhaps, if
not encouraging social activism, not erecting as many barriers, the nba. is that a fair assessment or more to it than that? >> the difference is that the nba players feel heard. i've interviewed nba players about this and particularly around protesting during the anthem. dr. king once called riots of language of the unheard. protest is in many respects, during the anthem, the language of the unheard. nfl players felt like they were not being heard, and particularly with colin kaepernick kept out of the league and nba players felt like they were being heard by the commissioner, by nba owners and so you've had a much different reaction. >> all right. have to leave it there. certainly something folks will be talking about a lot here over the next day or so. mr. simmelkjaer good to have you, sir. thank you. dave zirin, thanks, as always as well. new technology recognizing faces, even emotions. does it cross a privacy line? when it's used to pick a face
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identifying famous guests at the royal wedding and privacy advocates are concerned. increasingly police say it's a powerful tool known as rec nation crecognition used to promote safety. near portland, oregon it's used by the washington county sheriff's office to track down criminals in realtime. investigators use this facebook video to nab a woman for failing to appear in court. the amazon software found this mug shot from an earlier arrest. compared the two and determined within 86% accuracy it was the same woman. deputies took her into custody. with so many people posting pictures on social media and so many surveillance cameras looking over everyone's shoulders, privacy advocates say big brother is watching and shouldn't be. >> supercharged surveillance to track protesters. to target immigrants and to really spy on entire communities.
>> reporter: in a statement to nbc news, amazon writes in part, various agencies used recognition to find abductive people. amusement wo menment parks use d children. some people could choose to abuse the technology. >> derek thompson. senior editor business tech writer at "the atlantic" joins me and host of the podcast crazy genius. love to plug your podcast. >> thank you for that. >> is this, as was indicated there in the piece, is this, like, surveillance on sayre royd steroids? >> it is, but whether or not it's a good technology good or a good technology used for bad ends. it's the story of our time. facebook said, wonderful way to keep up with friends and talk to far-flung aunts. didn't realize russians would use it for espionage and same
thing happening here. when this technology was debuted in november 2016 the first samp examples, cute to identify the face of a dog. look at photos, where is my wife smiling and where are my kids? now used for law enforcement. if you make assumption all law enforcement is good and never make mistakes should, help them do their job better. what if an officer is looking for someone who hasn't broken the law? someone at a protest, suspected of a crime but no probable cause. how then do you use this image software to find them and nab them? that's what the aclu is worried about now. >> part of their statement, people should be free to walk down the street without being watched by the government. posing a particular threat to
communities already unjustly targeted. you know, i think one of the things that caught me when i saw the story this morning for the first time. i heard the technology existed. guess i did not fully appreciate how advanced the technology was and i don't think a lot of folks realize that amazon and others are selling the technology. >> yes. image recognition technology exists, has existed a really long time. not just in movies starring tom cruise like "minority report" goes protocol. first the military used it overseas during military operations and now moving closer and closer to home. the way to think about this technology, the way really to pull it all together into a single story is to say that this sort of tech allows human beings to do their jobs more efficiently. now, if the job you're doing is to find a proving killer, it helps you do that job more efficiently. all to the good. what we know in the last few years, decades in american history, there's a lot of police officers and police units that
aren't purely moral. that might be racist. that might have racial bias or other biases. and if we give them image recognition technology, maybe they'll you'd it more efficiently towards those end cracking down on racial minorities in the united states. i agree with the aclu. important to ask questions how police officers are using this technology before it becomes widespread. >> the problem, can't opt out? you can't opt out of your face being surveilled. everyone walks down a public sidewalk. you go to a mall, wherever. there's really no way to escape this. >> there is no way to escape it. made this metaphor. the idea a prison where the prison guard could at one point in the middle of the prison see all of the prisoners at once. right? this is the kind of society we're building that only with facebook and also with amazon and a lot of people are asking why? why do we have to build dystopia? why can't we ask the questions first and apply the technology
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president trump. anecdotal evidence of many users blocked by the president, but have we ever heard a reason why this president would block people on twitter? >> i don't believe the president has ever been asked that directly. i'm not sure what his reason is, but he's didn't doing this for some time now. we've seen for many months throughout the presidency that various people who have been critical of president trump on twitter who are verified users, meaning journalists, writers or songwriters, celebrities of some kind, will note when they get blocked by the president. it's usually because of something particularly critical they've said about him to him on twitter. and it's just been trump's practice all along. >> my grandma used to say, you shouldn't div it osh it out if can't take it. other news of the day, sir. president's communications team reportedly could be facing a staff shake-up. john kelly signed off on a plan that would apparently flush out
some of the department's mid-level and junior aides according to people familiar with the situation according to politico. the possible shake-up coming after kelly sadler, remarks about senator john mccain's health. what are you hearing? what does it say about this white house that the focus is on the leaks? >> well, for starters i don't think the shake-up, if that's what it is, is going to include any senior officials. so the communication's people, sarah sanders, hogan gidley, raj shah staying. and seems to have reached a breaking point calling out junior staffers in an effort to downscale that operation and have just the core people who are essential in the day-to-day messaging and communications operations at the white house. i know president trump was furious about that leak about
kelly sadler what she had said in a private meeting and about senator john mccain as were other officials in the white house and trump has been really upset about these leaks and feels they're damaging his presidency and a real desire inside that building to hunt out people who are leaking and to try to minimize the number of staffers that are present for certain meetings and privy to certain sensitive information. >> president trump was at an event last night there in our national capitol and he was talking about the 2018 midterms and something he said has caught a lot of folks by surprise. perhaps. take a listen. talk about it on the other side. >> -- your vote in -- 2018 is every bit as important as your vote in 2016, although i'm not sure i really believe that but, you know. i don't know who the hell wrote that line. i'm not sure -- >> in humor there is truth, phil
rucker. i mean -- >> got to love it. >> yeah, you do, but you also have to wonder if that's the kind of line that doesn't find itself in about a few dozen ads for democrats in mid-term elections. >> yeah. look, he's being honest, but not saying what most politicians have said over the years which is that your vote and in whatever upcoming election is the most important vote ever. you've got to turn out. this one comment, it's okay. sort of give him a pass, but it will be a problem if he contributes to the enthusiasm in his base and the trump supporters. it that enthusiasm is depressed at all in november, if people decide not to turn out to vote in these mid-term elections because donald trump's name is not on the ballot, that's going to be a problem for the republican party. it's something paul ryan, mitch mcconnell and others on capitol hill scrambling to preserve majorities in the highways and senate will grapple with this. >> and philip rucker, thank you.
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the country, trying to come in. we're stopping a lot of them. but we're taking people out of the country. you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. >> after taking that hard hit at violent ms 13 gang members, returning to push his immigration ajaend da at a roundtable discussion with law enforcement and gang members. continuinge ing ing a conversat serious crackdown on gangs. composed seriously of immigrants. let me start with you, kelly o'donnell. a list of participants. attorney general, jeff sessions, you know very supportive of this push by the president in the past. he is not going to be there, we've learned.
but we have learned that rod rosenstein is going to be there. what's going on there? >> reporter: a test of compartmentalization skills for rosenstein compartmentalization skills for rosenstein and the president because they obviously had some other heated issues with respect to his claim of, quote, spygate with the campaign period. this is an issue where there is a lot of common ground on immigration plans where there will be a discussion of trying to deal with a very violent gang, ms-13. of course, the broader issue of immigration, there is much diversity of opinion about what should be done, and there is a lot of criticism of the president's policies on that. this is a bit narrower and the president will be talking in a friendly space. there will be law enforcement officials, representatives of the administration. also here today, the homeland security secretary, the head of i.c.e. will be here, as well as some other department of justice
officials and a couple of congressman from this area, republicans. and there will be an opportunity for the public to see this. but this happens to be an event where a limited group of media was permitted inside. not all of those who were credentialed so we're outside in the parking lot here. rosenstein was in new york today for a separate event. so it is possible proximity wise -- >> as you are speaking here, kelly, to let our viewers know, rod rosenstein was just sitting down there. it was as if he was listening to your report as you introduced him there. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who has come under attack from a number of sides, he just sat down. and president trump has just landed, as well. this is marine one. marine one landing here. this is jfk, guys? is he at jfk or is he -- >> it would be jfk, yes. >> they're telling me it is bethpage, new york. the president has made his way
there. >> i don't have the monitor here so forgive me for not knowing that. but yes, the president also has a finance event or political event later today, also in new york. so sometimes you find across administrations they will pair political campaign events -- it is a campaign year -- where fund-raisers are done with an official white house event regionally. that's part of what we see today where the immigration issue is certainly a big one on the president's plate and there is a reason to be here on long island to talk about ms-13. but it is also very close where people often go for fund-raising in new york. >> a lot of money out there on long island. mr. gomez, president trump has actively used ms-13 to support his calls for a wall to support his calls for a border crackdown. there are a lot of misconceptions out there about this particular gang that also includes a number of americans, as well. but this is a group that has done some despicable things
responsible for a fair amount of violence in this country. what does the president have right about ms-13, as you understand it, what does he have wrong about the gang? >> well, he's absolutely right that this is a terrible, horrendous, heinous gang. there's no coincidence that he's having this discussion on long island. they've been plagued by this gang for quite a while. in 2016 two teenage girls were killed by ms-13 members. in 2014 four people were butchered in a park. at one point they had seven murders in 17 months. so he's right to target and go after them. where the disagreement comes is in how far he goes with it. you talked about the border wall. they're also using ms-13 as a reason to change our nation's asylum laws, our ability to speed up deportations and get people out of the country quicker and to really change what they refer to as catch-and-release policies throughout the country that would affect millions of people and trying to tie all that to
the actions of this one specific gang. i think that's where the disagreement comes. >> paul ryan taking a lot of heat for his inability to stop this immigration showdown in the house. if nothing gets down, how much is on the line for paul ryan? >> well, this is getting very close. we've been talking about this now for a couple of weeks. it is a procedural move called a discharge petition where there are up to 21 of 25 republicans that they need to sign on to this to force four different immigration bills on to the house floor. paul ryan has been very much against this. so he's getting heat all over the place because the last thing he wants is that debate on the house floor and the last thing republicans want to do is have to debate immigration for weeks and weeks on the house floor in the middle of an election year. >> alan gomez, kelly o'connell, thank you. stephen tyler, one of this country's great rockers, has a new sound and i got to talk to him about it.
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vegas -- the think about aerosmith that i love. i wrote "dream on." we played "train kept a roll i ' rollin'." i can't do it any other way ♪ take another little piece of my heart now baby ♪ >> remember, i grew up in the country. i was way into the everly brothers than anything else. janice joplin. so i'm into that big time. >> sounds like there might be another country album new. >> i'd like to write something with some other folks. you know. like maybe elton, mccartney. i've already asked paul. >> what did he say? >> he goes, well, you know, send me something if you got it. i went that's not what i mean. >> you lived like 12 lives. you're like forrest gump. the forrest gump of rock 'n' roll. >> see, there you go. you're going, are you 70? i'm going it shall. >> how old are you in your own mind?
>> i'm 30. that's the thing. the stage gives me my youth. the audience crying over songs. that's insane. to walk in a room and change somebody's -- change them? what a gift. what a gift. >> 70, not slowing down. that film steven tyler, "out on a limb," now available on demand. katy tur standing by ready to kicks things off. >> nice interview, craig. that's a fun thing to do. you get the fun stuff. >> you just got back from london! i saw you at the royal wedding. you had plenty of fun. >> maybe. craig melvin, thank you very much. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in the east where the president has a lot to say but not a lot of evidence to back it up. right now, donald trump is in bethpage, new york, where -- at least he is on his way where he is about to talk about immigration and the ms-13 gang. deputy a