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that will wrap thing up for this hour. kasie hunt picks things up right now. take it away. >> thanks so much, katy. good afternoon, i am kasie hunt in for ali velshi. president trump wrapped up a round table talking immigration and slamming the gaining ms-13. but the president spent much of his day driving hope his claims that there was misconduct by the fbi against his campaign. just before company a.m. until exactly 9:34, president trump tweeted some nine times. five of those tweets were on the russia investigation. and what the president and his administration have dubbed spygate, a term he repeated before heading to his immigration round table.
>> we now call it spygate. you are calling it spygate. a lot of bad things have happened. i want them all to get together. they will sit in a. radio. hopefully they will be able to work it out among themselves. >> the president's new messaging campaign was overshadowed by two new headlines surrounding people who are close to him. one is the "new york times" story that broke last hour saying jared kushner has been granted his permanent security clearance. the other story involving his long-time personal lawyer, michael cohen. cohen's business partner has reached a plea deal w. . with me now, kristen welker live from white house. let's start with the new report about jared kushner. the "new york times" saying he has finally been granted a permanent security clearance? >> that's right. nbc hasn't confirmed that but we are reaching out to our sources. but the "new york times" is reporting that after this very long process, jared kushner has
been grant his full security clearance. let me read you what his attorney has had to say about all of this. saying having completed all of these processes he is looking forward to continuing to do the work with the president that the president has asked him to do. effectively saying that this long process, and frankly cloud, that has hung over jared kushner one of the president's top advisors, particularly when it comes to handleding the middle east, was operating without a full security clearance. as part of this "new york times" report we are also learning that jared kushner was questioned twice by special counsel robert mueller. the attorney telling the "new york times" about that. in each occasion he answered all questions asked and did whatever he could to expedite the conclusion of the investigations. now with this now out of the way, the president really stepping up his attacks against the deputy of justice on the broader probe, particularly amid the revelations that there was
an informant during the 2016 campaign that had contact with his campaign. the president has been call this spygate, the biggest scandal in political history. if it's true, he has said that the informant was embedded in his campaign. there is nothing to verify that. in fact there has been a lot of skepticism whether or not that was actually the case. but there is going to be a briefing tomorrow that will include republicans who will be briefed by intel officials. democrats crying foul saying they should be a part of that briefing as well. chuck schumer and nancy pelosi leading the charge today sending a letter to the deputy attorney general saying that the gang of eight, that bipartisan group of lawmakers should be part of the briefing. president trump was asked about this earlier today before he departed for new york. take a listen. >> they are going to all be in the room tomorrow. we are going the see what happens. what i want is i want total transparency. >> and democrats? >> even they probably want transparency. because this issue supersedes
the party. this supersedes republicans and democrats. so what i want from rod, from the fbi, from everybody -- we want transparency. and you know what, i think in their own way they are obstructionists, but even the democrats, i really believe, on this issue it supersedes -- i think they want transparency, too. >> the president referencing rod. that's a reference to deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who for the second straight day the president has been asked if he has confidence in his deputy attorney general. the president has really declined to answer. the two are at that round table together in new york where they are talking about the gang ms-13. >> really fascinating juxtaposition there. kristen, one other story we have been following and paying attention to is michael cohen's business partner agreeing to cooperate with prosecutors. how is the white house reacting to that news? >> well, the president's
attorney, rudy giuliani really the one who has been responding to that news. and questions about whether this could all lead michael cohen to ultimately flip on the president. rudy giuliani down playing the entire thing, telling me in a next message earlier today, look the bottom line is the president had nothing to do with that taxi business. of course this whole development revolves around the man known as the taxi king. that's the alleged business partner of michael cohen, who is now cooperating with federal and state investigate oorls. what is interesting is that just last month president trump said he doesn't think michael cohen is going to flip. this moment, a real test of the president's theory. will that stand? we will have to see. >> kristen welker at the white house thanks very much. we will continue that conversation about special counsel robert mueller's investigation, and this potentially big development. nbc news has learned that a close partner of michael cohen, the president's long-time personal attorney struck a deal
in which he agrees to be a witness for either the state or the feds. egg veny friedman is a russian immigrant who has been dubbed the taxi king in relation to the number of taxi ma dahlians that he owns. he pleaded to one count of tax fraud and won't face any jail time. he had been facing 25 years in prison. now the president's lawyer rudy giuliani is trying to distance the president from the case. he tells nbc news he is just not involved in the taxis. let's look at this with mimi rocha, a former u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. that's where cohen is under investigation. i'm also joined by charlie savage, and clint watts a former fbi special agent and national security analyst and author of the new book, messing with the enemy, surviving in a social
media world. i highly commend the book to all of you. mimi i want to start with you. one question that i think is on everybody's mind, essentially, does this plea deal mean anything for the president? if so, what? >> it is a great question. i think the most direct line to the president obviously is through michael cohen. this is going to have an impact on the case against michael cohen. no question. clearly, prosecutors in the southern district already had a lot of evidence on michael cohen in order to get that search warrant that we all talked so much about a couple of weeks ago and how extraordinary it was that they got it. so they must have had some good evidence on him already. but there is nothing like having a cooperator. now we don't know obviously yet sort of the full outline of what this taxi king had provide, how much he was involved in all of the different aspects of michael cohen's businesses. from everything we are hearing
he was very much a gateway between michael cohen and sort of some more nefarious people who were involved in this industry, like the russian mafia. if that's true and he can provide, you know, more evidence and more of a storyline, if you will -- because that's what cooperators do is they fill in the holes between documents, between records that you have and really allow prosecutors to tell a story. that builds an even more compelling case and gives even more reason for michael cohen to cooperate. >> i want to broaden out this conversation a little bit to talk more widely about the deputy of justice and how the president has been reacting to this. i think we have a clip of rod rosenstein talking about the definition of piling on. let's take a look at it, and then we'll talk about it. >> last night, i learned that themer yam webster dictionary uses a different meaning. the dictionary defines piling on as joining other people in criticizing someone, usually in
an unfair american. i also have experience with that. so i am definitely against piling on no matter what definition you use. >> clint watts, you have worked inside the fbi. what impact is the piling on right now having? >> i think the biggest part is how can you as the fbi or really even the department of justice really enforce the law at this point. >> imagine the key aspects by which you do these investigations are through confidential informants or undercover agents or by going out and delivering subpoenas. if you were in trump and trying to do the work of law enforcement and enforce these laws or go after ms-13, which the president was playing up here an hour or so ago how do you do that when you are being undercut buy your own president? it makes it very difficult not just in terms of morale, but you are supposed to be using trusted
sources. if you can't quaurn tee a source is going to be protected against all political actors in washington, d.c. it's hard to do your job. >> jim comey tweeted today saying facts matter, the fbi's use of confidential human sources the actual term is tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country. attacks on the fbi and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country. how will republican s explain this to their grandchildren. charlie savage, comey's role in all of this -- when i first started covering comey it's because hillary clinton's advisors were extraordinarily angry with the way he conducted him. since then it seems to have turned around. republicans are saying they feel comey damaged trump's credibility with his back and now it feels like the republicans are the ones doing this kind of political damage.
talk about the impact this has in the real world. to clint's point, doesn't it make it harder for anyone to talk to our law enforcement. >> that's right. i think you have to pull out a little bit from the ruckus here and recognize what an extraordinary moment we are in right now. of course we have been living through an intense year and a half. >> yeah. >> but this moment feels like more than what we have been through before. the backdrop of the former fbi director tweeting that is that the fact that the president was ordering an investigation into his own investigators. he was ordering the justice department this weekend to look into steps the fbi took in 2016 when they were starting to look into all of these mysterious contacts with suspected russian agents that emin of the trump campaign were having at the same time that russia was interfering to help trump win the election. one of those things was they took a former republican official and had him go and talk to those members to see what they knew about the russian e-mail hacking without identifying himself as someone who had been asked to do that by
the fbi. >> right. >> president trump and his sort of right wing media allies and people on the hill who have been running interference for him in this case have been trying to undermine it and delegitimatize it are taking the step of dragging the existence of this source into public light. most people know his name now. they know who he is. that's not just dangerous for that particular person. but i think the larger issue is who is going to want to be a source if they think that for political reasons they will be dragged out into the light like this? so this is really something that we haven't seen before. we haven't seen a president ordering a specific investigation at the justice department before. that crosses a line that's been pretty entrenched since the watergate era. we'll see how this end. but this is different qualitatively than things have been in recent months. >> mimi rocha, can i ask you -- charlie mentioned and characterized this as investigating the investigators. and clearly we know that this has a political motivation.
but i'm wondering, from the prospective of a prosecutor does it have any real impact potentially on how say robert mueller will be ultimately able to conduct his investigation? is it possible they could find something that would cast deal doubt onto it or not? >> well, i think it impacts mutualer in the sense, as everyone has been saying, that it can jeopardize mueller's ability to get other sources to talk to him and to his team. just as it's affecting cases all over the country going on right now, the bread and butter of law enforcement in u.s. attorneys' office. if i can make one point -- i'm not sure if this exactly answers your question but i think it's striking that the strategy that the president and his allies have taken in terms of turning the table here about this, you know, supposed spygate. it's striking what it says about the president's state of mind. and this is something prosecutors, you know, are going to think about, which is, you know, if my house is being
broken into by a burglar and my neighbor calls the police -- so it's like the russians are trying to get into our election and the fbi is trying to look at that, and the police show up at my door while my shows being broken into i'm going to welcome those police with open arms. i'm not going to throw mud at them and tell them to go away and debt angry that anybody call the police. if the i'm involved in a setup that makes it look like my house is being burglarized but it's really some kind of an insurance scam, so i am in on it. then when my neighbor calls the police i'm going the try to deflect and turn away. i think this talks about ksh chbs guilt frankly in the criminal justice system. >> charlie savage, i want to to you about reporting you and your colleagues have done at the "new york times," which is to sketch out what are the options for robert mueller, what could potentially happen? we think we know they are
following the long standing guidance that a president cannot be indicted while he is a sitsing president. what are potential outcomes if we are going to see a, quote, unquote, end to this investigation. >> we were trying to do a choose your own adventure flow chart of what might happen if robert mueller does fine a criminal wrongdoing on the part of the president. simplifying things and not looking at paul many of the or anything else. >> just the president of the united states. >>ert that. he writes a full report, here's what i found, gives it to his boss, rod rosenstein and rosenstein gets to decide whether or not to send it to congress. maybe congress if they receive that report and if rosenstein decides not to send it to them, they can try to subpoena it and get the information that way. the milled ground is the nixon option. nixon also was not indicted by the watergate prosecutor. but the prosecutor, jaworski did use a grand jury to both name
him an unindicted co-conspirator with the others who were indicted in the watergate cover-up. and he had the grand jury send a report to congress directly not through the justice department with the permission of a judge with all of this evidence in a report sort of as a road map of the evidence they found. and congress could use that in impeachment proceedings. and then of course he could be indicted. or he could be indicted after he was no longer in office, either because he is impeached or his term ended. >> chris, let me give you the final word here. weigh in on what charlie what outline willing about mueller's potential options. i mean, it does seem as though the strategy here from the president and his legal team is to muddy the waters so much that each if there is a direct conclusion from this investigation that condemns the
president in some way, half the country doesn't believe it. >> exactly right. i think the president and his team's strategy is to try to win in the public rather than in the courts. we have seen this. the pushing the false narratives or manipulated truths to muddy the water so no one is sure what to believe. inthis might fall apart ultimately because we don't know really where the mueller investigation is or what they do know. we found out a lot of revelations in the past two or three weeks where it turns out the mueller team was on to something six months ago and you know, and we are just finding out about it. in the delay in terms of the pace of the investigation is five or six months i wouldn't be surprised if a lot comes forward in that report. i think it would be tough for rosenstein to keep that report and not pass it to congress. for that report to go to rosenstein and then just set in a vault i find that hard to
believe. i would imagine the pressure from congress would be intense. ultimately, i think the mueller investigation will stay on track. they are very professional tight lipped operation. they are going to keep pushing forward. and i don't think we really know what will come from that. and the only thing delaying the investigation right now is that the president won't sit down with the top investigator, mueller. i think that i would be on safe ground to say that i agree with you, congress, i think, might spontaneously come bust if there was a report that they were not able to see. clint watts, charlie savage, mimi rocha, thank you all for being here today. up next, the nfl is taking a stand against players who kneel for the national anthem. they just issued a new policy that even the vice president has now weighed in on. we will explain how this affects the next season up next. mom, dad, can we talk?
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the nfl has announced a new policy toward kneeling during the national anthem. it allows players to stay in the locker room. but if they go out on the field they will need to stand. violations would result in a fine against the team, not the players. of course this all started when former san francisco 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick began kneeling during the national anthem in 2016. it was in protest of police brutality and racial inequality. other players took up the cause last season. after caber knick left the 49ers and wasn't picked up by another team.
president trump has hammered the issue repeatedly on twitter and said this about the protests last year. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now? out. he's fired. >> the nfl players' association issued a statement saying it was not consulted and it will challenge any aspect of the new pal see that's inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement. joining us now to talk about this is mark thompson the host of make it plain on sirius xm progress 127. mark, first of all it's great to see you. >> good to see you. thank you. >> is this essentially the nfl caving to the president? or is this more of a business decision? >> well, i think it is caving to the president. kraft had said in the audio that was revealed i think a couple of months ago i think in the secret meetings he didn't want to give his friend donald trump fodder.
but he really has. now when the nfl season resumes before the mid terms trump will have something else to talk about and they will be able to target and pinlon hole players that don't come out of the locker room and they will be able to fine teams whose players take a knee. this is problematic because the players' union should have been consulted. the appropriate response was to go back to the policy several years ago where no one was on the field during the national anthem. the anthem was played and then the players took to the field afterwards. the other thing, too, it continues to misunderstand and ris represent what kaepernick were doing in the first place. they weren't protesting the be a them or our troops, they are taking a knee in reverence of those who inspectly die here in america and who frankly our troops die to protect.
that's part of the paradox. i hope that the union will be steadfast and demand that they go back to the previous policy where everybody has the option. and they should go back to the policy where all players should stay in the locker room and stay unified together. >> rooney had had to say about the formation of the new policy. >> we have listened to a lot of different viewpoints, including our fans' over the last year. inthis policy attempts to come out in a place where we respected everybody's point of view in this as best we could. >> there the emphasis on the fans, not necessarily on the players. he seems to think this is a happy medium. i'm not sure you agree. >> not at all. as far as the fans are concerned unfortunately some of the fans again have been misled to believe this is against the flag, against the anthem, against the troops. there is nothing more reverent than taking a knee. i know donald trump and some of
his supporters think all of us look alike. they must also think that all protests are the same. this isn't like 1968 mexico city when giancarlo and tommy smith raised their fist. that's not the case at all. that was a definite act in terms of america when they won those medals. this is about standing up for those who lose their lives, innocent people who are killed by the police, people who are killed in racist violence all over the country. it has nothing to do with being against the anthem or the troops. again, i would say the paradox is, troops give their lives every day and they actually give their lives for those who also lose their lives in america. that's all collin caber knick was doing, all any of these athletes were doing. thing they are going to keep thissing go, they want to gin up trump's base, those loyal to trump. some in that base are of course fans. i think it puts us in a very
dangerous place if it's not addressed adequately. the union should be involved. and as i said, if they are not going to involve the union the worst case mayorio, the union should bind together with all players and everybody agree we won't take the field at all. >> mark thompson, appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. well head next to capitol hill where the house has passed the first legislation in decades to overhaul the nation's prison system. there are some 2.3 million people behind bars here in the united states. but there are still some major hurdles ahead for the bill. it all centers around what it doesn't do. we will explain all of that up next.
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they are released. the first step act encourages inmates to participate in rehabilitation programs. it uses incentives like the possibility of an earlier release from prison. it authorizes $50 million a year over five years to add to those vocational and rehabilitative programs. the bill increases the amount of good time credits that inmates can concern, kris that reduce prison sentences of the right now inmates can get credits of up to 47 days per year they are incarcerated. the bill raises that to 54 days per year. it aims to improve conditions including banning guards from shackling women during child birth and keeping prisoners closes to where they families live. it does not reduce sentences for drugs and other offenses. that is the crux of the debate. joining me from capitol hill is garrett haake.
break down the main sticking points here and what is the path forward? >> where do you want me to start. there are a couple of different problems here depending on which side of the aisle you is it sit on. there are conservatives who don't like the house bill because they think it is too kind on prisoners serving time on drug offenses. they don't like certain provisions in the house bill. there is a senate bill that already passed the judiciary committee. some of those conservative senators don't like the senate bill either but that's important because you have got chairman chuck grassley who says hey how about we go ahead with my bill, the one that already passed the senate judiciary committee, he would like to see that be the case, not house bill and then you have democrats on the other side who say they prefer the senate bill but frankly they don't think either one of these bills goes far enough. the house-passed bill doesn't touch sentencing reform, doesn't touch things like mandatory
minimums. that is a major concern as well as the fact that either one of these bills -- implementation would be overseen by jeff sessions who democrats don't trust. i talked to two of the more outspoken democratic senators about this house bill this morning. take a listen. >> i see this not as making progress but by potentially stalling it or undermining the possibility for us to get substantive meaningful criminal justice reform. >> leaving it up to the department of justice under jeff sessions' leadership to create the factors that would be factors that would determine whether someone is a risk. there are a lot of biases that can be built into risque cess men systems. i'll very concerned about that. >> even though democrats like some parts of this bill the first step act name they feel like is a little bit misleading. there is just not a lot of trust that this would be the first step in a broader reform effort. a lot of democrats i talk to think this would be it for the
prison reform measure out this administration and they don't think this bill coming out of the house is going to be good enough. >> garrett haake, thanks. we want to talk more about this with lauren brook eisen a senior fellow at new york university law school's brennan center for justice program. she focuses on improving the criminal justice process. she is also the author of inside american prisons. dilemma in the age of mass incarceration. lauren, i want to start with kind of an outline of how far we have come on this question of prison reform. the conversation we are having now around this issue that both republicans and democrats are participating in, very, very different from the conversation we were having in the 1990s when the frame was completely different. how have things changed in your view? >> absolutely. so in 2008, we had 2.2 million people behind bars in this country. more than any other country on planet and a lot of your viewers
probably know that the u.s. has 5 pshz of the world's population and 28% of the world's incarcerated population. we have not improved communities, made communities safer, we have not reduced recidivism. that's why the first step act is trying to move us in the right direction. as you mentioned a thieu minutes ago there are some pieces of this legislation that would help those who are behind bars such as eliminating the shackling of pregnant women in federal frichb and providing free men truly products to women behind bars in a federal prison. the real issue is what is missing from this meal. that is meaningful sentencing reform. the first step act is trying to reduce rescidivisrecidivism. that's why we are pressing for meaningful sentencing reform. instead of pressing for this first step act.
>> do you think that if in fact there were not -- if the bill ultimately that's going to move forward here does not include those mandatory minimums do you think the overall cause of prison reform would be better served bypassing nothing right now and holding out for that full package? or do you think this may be the best that's kind of on the table right now in this climate? >> that's the real heart of what is happening right now on capitol hill. but this bill has absolutely no sentencing reform. and there is a bill that republican senator chuck grassley introduced called the sentencing reform and corrections act. now, that bill would reduce mandatory minimums specifically for non-violent drug offenses. and that's really significant because if we want to reduce mass incarceration, we need to chip away at the mandatory minimums that produce unjustice long unnecessary sentences that ultimately reduce -- that ultimately result in mass
incarceration and the brennan center has recently issued a report noting that almost 40% of those who are in state and federal prison do not need to be there and could be released today. the sentencing reform and corrections act would result in the release or early reduction for about 7,000 people in federal prison. that's pretty significant. on top of that, about 2,500 people would be released earlier than they would be today on an annual basis. if we want to chip away at mass incarceration we have really got to focus on eliminating mandatory minimums. and the sentencing reform and corrections act also gives judges discretion to sentence more proportionate to the crime that has been committed. all of that is miss trg the first step act. >> lauren brook eisen thanks for your perspective today. >> thank you for having me. there is a full-court press underway on capitol hill to get an invite to that fbi informan briefing that's happening
tomorrow. right now, there are only two lawmakers, both staunch trump supporters, on the list. and it's not just democrats who want in. we will ask republican congressman ryan costello when he joins us live. that's after the break. squeeze the toothpaste from the bottom and floss to set a good example. you fine tune the proposal, change the water jug so no one else has to, get home for dinner and feed the cat. you did a million things for your family today but speaking to pnc to help handle all your investments was a very important million and one. pnc. make today the day.
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informant. right now, only two lawmakers, both republicans, are invited. congressman devin nunes, and trey dowdy. they are the heads of the house intelligence and house oversight committees respectively. they have both vigorously defended the president in the past. a lot of other lawmakers are demanding an invite, including the gachk eight, the intelligence heads. they say this meeting is quote completely improper in its proposed forum. they aren't the only ones who want to answered. chuck grassley, john cornan and lindsey graham have requested invites. senator graham said this earlier today. >> did the d.o.j. inappropriately use this dossier to get a warrant. if there was a surveillance of the campaign by the fbi i would like to know why. if the fbi ever does this in the future in terms of trying to investigate one of the nominees
for president, they need to make sure they have got a lot of check and balances. >> should democrats be in this meeting. >> yeah, i think so. >> i'm joined by pennsylvania republican republican congressman ryan costello. good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> good to see you. thank you. >> i want to start with this meeting. do you think democrats or, you know, the gaining of eight, yourself -- would you like to attend? who should be allowed in. >> i don't know if i need to be there, but i do think it needs to be either the gang of eight or there needs to be some sort of balancing out of who is going to be there so the optics -- the optics of this don't look very good at the moment. to senator graham's point there was a lot of ifs involved in senator grahams graham's reasons for needing to be there. i'm afraid it's turning into a soap opera even before the meeting happens. >> is the speaker of the house in the position to demand more people attend the meeting.
tray dowdy is a colleague of his. should he demand others be included. >> i don't know if that's his call. i don't want to lay this on the speaker's lap. the meeting was initiated by the president, as i understand it and i also understand that senators warren and burr -- excuse me. -- warner and burr. >> sure. >> which demonstrated a rye lukt ant to engage in the meeting or obtain this information for fear it may leak. we are dealing with highly sensitive investigation for fear that once it is discussed it gets politicized. this investigation is already politicized. i'm wondering why the meeting has to take place. if it is to take place if you don't have republicans and democrats there it's going to feed into the narrative that's already out there. that it's republicans pushing back against an investigation and some democrats feeling that the president is already guilty of something.
>> congressman, there were a dozen or so plus, more than a dozen republicans yesterday who signed on the a resolution to appoint a second serb counsel to investigate the investigators. do they represent the entirety of the republican conference? >> no, i think they represent 12 people. i think that we are -- a lot of folks. >> would you characterize them as a fringe? >> i would say that there are not people any more conservative or any more hawkish on pushing back against this investigation. so you use your term i'll use my description. but sure. >> do you think they are in the mainstream? >> no. i don't think so. i think that most republican -- i don't want -- i believe that the majority of the conference, wants the investigation to proceed as it is, allow mutualer to issue his finding. if there is going to be further indictments let that occur. but this investigating the
investigators, really, i think it unmines the integrity of the investigation and it has become -- i think it is a sideshow is what i think it is. >> let's talk for a minute about this discharge petition surrounding immigration. you are one of now 21, i believe, republican lawmakers. >> yep. >> to have signed on to this, which puts it within four republicans of getting over that critical 218 number. i mean, this seems like an open revolt against the speaker. and my question to you is do you think this would be happening, would moderates be revolting in this way if the speaker was running for re-election, was not a lame duck? >> i think it would, actually. it is a fair question, and it might be a little bit more difficult to get some of the folks to sign on with the concern being that it might somehow jeopardize the speaker's ability to run for re-election to be speaker. if that were to happen obviously the freedom caucus and some other folks would say that if
this hits the floor they won't vote for speaker. i think there is an element of that. but listen, there is a reality that there is a lot of pent up frustration that we have not had an immigration debate on the floor. there should be a permanent solution for daca. we have agri and high-tech visa immigrants here who cannot attain citizenship or have to touch back at home. we need to modernize our immigration system. and we are not doing that. by not properly addressing a problem on the house floor, we are allowing this to build up. and it's really reached a boiling point for a lot of us who -- many would call us centrists. if you look at california, colorado, florida, where a lot of immigrants are, this really needs to be addressed. >> congressman, thank you. i will see you up on the hill later today or tomorrow probably. >> thank you. up next, what you can do on twitter that president trump cannot, at least according to a federal judge. you are watching msnbc.
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ways. pushing civil rights, pushing women's rights. and i look forward to helping change the face of leadership. i want young women, young men who are thinking about their futures right now to look at my campaign and know that they, too, can achieve whatever they want. >> nbc news senior politics editor mark murray joins us now to take a closer look at the results and what's up next. mark, this really does -- i know there were some questions from some of the operatives that we all talk to very regularly behind the scenes that, okay, perhaps there would be all these women who would run and there could be some sort of backlash, maybe some of them wouldn't win and it would ultimately be a blow. it's not shaping up that way. >> not at all. kasie, what is accuweather app been going on, and you've been following this well, the democratic primary voters -- and this has been happening far more exclusively on the democratic side -- are making a bet that female candidates are the way to go in this era. some of the theories, it's the trump era, the me too movement. but one of the things that's
actually happening is the democratic voters are probably making the case that these women are the change agents to be able to run against members of congress and usually when you have a midterm cycle, you're trying to say, hey, we want to change politics. we want to change the government. and what better way to do it than having someone who, like amy mcgrath in the kentucky 6 race, for lieutenant governor fighter pilot, democratic voters primary voters went with her instead of lexington mayor jim gray. i think that decision, at least when it is a one on one race, that the female candidate has had -- has been the one that democratic voters are betting on. >> mark, very quickly, did you see any signs that have flown under the radar that tell us any more information about the potential for a democratic wave? >> you know, kasie, again, you know, all the tea leaves we were able to see whether it's president trump's job approval rating, the generic ballot show that republicans are probably in a slightly better place than
they were a couple months ago. but then again, when you look at the big historical factors that normally when a president is below 50%, that that president takes a bit of a beating. we just have to wait and see if the votes come in. the environment today overall looks about the same as it did several months ago. >> nbc's mark murray. thank you. great to see you, my friend. >> thanks, katie. >> we will be right back. ♪ ♪ (baby crying) ♪ ♪ don't juggle your home life and work life without it.
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tomorrow. but for now, "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace is next up. /s >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. donald trump's war on justice took an audacious turn today with an assault on the truth that left her reeling. we will show you his outlandish claims made on the south lawn of the white house. but instead of waiting until after you hear those remarks from the president to fact check them, we want to warn you in advance that his meandering comments include lies about the nature of the surveillance of his campaign as well as smears on the former fbi director jim comey. also a key witness in the mueller investigation. attacking comey, we understand, is the trump legal team's entire strategy for defending the president in the obstruction of justice investigation, which hing hinges, at least in part, on comey's firing. we also want to tell you his new bumper sticker spy gate is also