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one thing to watch for tomorrow, those were shots of some of the thousands of irish voters living abroad who have been flying home to ireland today so they can vote tomorrow. the irish constitution effectively bans abortion outright. tomorrow there's a referendum that could change that and irish citizens from all over the world have been coming home to vote. polls open at 7:00 a.m., final count is expected by this weekend. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> i was in boston who spoke to one irish voter who was on his way to ireland to cast one of those votes. >> incredible. obviously a huge political moment but just a huge cultural
moment for the irish all over the world. >> rachel, you know how we are never -- we just don't -- we can never -- well, we can never admit to having a favorite guest. we can't because imagine how the rest of our guests would feel. >> i tend to lie and tell them they're all my favorite. >> well, i have a favorite. i have a favorite. and she's going to be on the show tonight. and i can't believe it. i can't believe we got her. i can't believe she's going to be in the studio. i never thought this was going to happen. she travelled 8,000 miles to do this, and she's my favorite and the rest of them are just going to have to live with it, i'm sorry. >> your fidelity and honesty are signs of your honor, lawrence. i know who it is. >> thanks, rachel. today the worst lawyer who's ever been involved in
representing a president of the united states, publically and mistakenly, because no real lawyer would do this deliberately. revealed just how corrupt the republicans and the president are in their very public conspiracy to derail robert mueller's investigation. rudy giuliani actually said that he and the president and the president's other lawyers were just waiting for congressional republicans who attended a justice department meeting today to leak to the white house everything they learned in that meeting. it looked bad enough when emmitt flood ariffed at the justice department for that meeting with white house chief of staff john kelly, emmitt flood is the lawyer dealing with the special counsel's investigation. he is defending the president in the investigation that was discussed in the justice department meetings with congressional officials from both parties. the "new york times" noted that
the presence of john kelly and emmitt flood at the meetings, quote, raised the specter that top aides to the president could gain access to closely held information about an investigation of the president and his associates. to clarify that that absolutely did not happen, no need to worry about the specter, the white house issued a statement saying, neither chief kelly nor mr. flood actually attended the meetings but did make brief remarks before the meetings started to relay the president's desire for as much openness as possible under the law. okay. get it. the "new york times" was like totally wrong to worry that it raised the specter, the top aides to the president could gain access to closely held information about an investigation of the president and his associates. but then came rudy giuliani, revealing that, of course, the white house officials didn't
have to be in the room to gain access to that information, because the republican members in that room, led by congressman devin nunes, were going to tell rudy giuliani and john kelly and emmitt flood and donald trump exactly what was said in the investigation in that briefing today. rudy giuliani actually told politico, quote, we want to see how the briefing went today and how much we learned from it, giuliani said in a thursday phone call. if we learned a good deal from it, it will shorten that whole process considerably. giuliani is not supposed to learn anything from the briefing. nothing. no one from the white house is supposed to learn anything from the briefing. giuliani, in the full blossom of his public stupidity probably thought he was covering himself adequately when he added, i don't want the guy's identity, i don't want classified information, what i need to know
is, what's the basis for their doing it? most important, what did the informant produce? the informant is a professor in england whose identity has been reported in the news media so no rudy giuliani doesn't want the guy's identity because everybody has the guy's identity. but he wants to know everything else that happened in the briefing. adam schiff, the top democratic on the committee attended the briefings today and in a statement said emmet flood's presence and statement at the outset of both meetings today was completely inappropriate, although he did not participate in the meetings which followed as the white house's attorney handling the special counsel's investigation. his involvement in any capacity was entirely improper and i made this clear to him. his presence only underscores what rudy giuliani said, the president's legal team expects to use information gleaned improperly from the justice department or the president's
allies in congress to their legal advantage. here is what senator mark warner who attended one of the briefings said about the white house presence at the meeting. >> do you think it was inappropriate that kelly and flood were there? >> there's never been a gang of eight meeting with that kind of white house presence. >> after the briefings, here is all that congressman adam schiff could say. >> good afternoon. i won't be able to take any questions today, but i've been asked to read a brief statement on behalf of leader schumer, pelosi, warner and myself, today's briefing was conducted to ensure protection of sources and methods, nothing we heard today has changed our view that there is no evidence to support
any elgags that the fbi or any agency placed a spy in the trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols. thank you. >> tonight's "the washington post" report on the collapse of the korean summit, rudy giuliani reached across defending the president to commenting on foreign policy. he's competing to sound like the most optimistic trump supporter about the possibility of reviving a north korea summit. while he's at it, rudy giuliani won the competition for silliest trump team quote of the day. the post reports giuliani said he believes trump is more likely to eventually sit down across from kim than mueller. i think it is more inevitable than a mueller interview, giuliani said. at least they're not going to try to trap him into korean
perjury. joining our discussion now jill wine-banks former watergate prosecutor. and ron klain, former chief of staff and senior aide. eugene robinson also joins us, an msnbc political analyst. korean perjury, so they don't have to worry about that now. that might be the only perjury they don't have to worry about. >> you can check that off but there are other kinds of perjury they might want to be concerned about. this whole thing is extraordinary in the worst possible sense. the idea that -- that these facets, this aspect of this counterintelligence investigation would be revealed at all in this manner, to say nothing of having one of the president's lawyers there, albeit at the beginning, i
suppose to send the message to the republicans there of what the president expects after the meeting. you know, this is -- we keep crossing uncrossable lines. and this is really an uncrossable line. just step back and this is a kind of executive presidential interference in the -- in the -- the workings of the justice department and the fbi that we have not seen in this country for many decades. it is extraordinary and appalling. >> jill wine-banks during the watergate investigation and your investigation of president nixon. how many times did you have to have meetings at the justice department with the president's lawyers and republican members of congress, democratic members of congress included to reveal to them how your investigation was going? >> zero is the answer and zero is what it should have been here. this meeting was so inappropriate. there should have been none.
i can't believe that the president has successfully diverted us from saying zero is what should have been to well, if you're going to have the meeting then there should have only been one instead of two. but two makes it completely awful. i cannot believe that congress stood up to this, that there isn't a republican with a spine who will say enough is enough and this cannot go on. this is completely disstruckive of an investigation and frankly of democracy. this should not be happening. it's terrible. >> ron klain you worked on the senate judiciary committee, the justice department department, your perspective on these meetings today? >> nothing like this has happened before but it goes to the point you made at the outset, lawrence. we don't have a videotape of the meeting but it wouldn't surprise me at the end if as kelly and flood said to the republicans call me later and tell me what happened because that is the
point of this meeting. the only spying revealed in this meeting is the fact that the congressional republicans are there to spy for the trump administration. for president trump and his legal defense. and they're trying to get information from the mueller investigation. the only thing to me that's reassuring about it is that at the end of the day, president trump learning the evidence against him doesn't change what that evidence is. and bob mueller has that evidence, he's been one step ahead every step of the way, and i presume his investigation is going to proceed forward and through its normal course. >> gene, mitch mcconnell came out of the meeting he said to npr, his statement was the two investigations going on that i think will give us answers to the questions that you raised, the inspector general investigation and the justice department, and the mueller investigation, i support both of them and i don't really have anything to add to this subject based on the gang of eight briefing that we had today,
which was classified. gene, that seems like a pretty sensible reaction from that meeting. >> yeah, i actually listened to that whole interview earlier. and he was -- he was pressed, the context of the questioning was, you've said before that you support bob mueller's investigation, you believe in his integrity, and you think, you know, it should be allowed to continue and finish. and his answer about well, i support both investigations, colluded his saying, i heard nothing today essentially that changed my mind. at one point referring to that earlier statement about the mueller probe. so i think tossing in the second investigation, the inspector general investigation was probably to the republican base that the president has been firing up with his, you know, skillful branding of the
informant in question as a, quote, spy, it's the kind of thing that donald trump is good at. it's a lie, but he's good at it. >> jill, i want to go through the procedural element of this because there will come a time, if there were charges, for example, brought against the president or any other criminal defendant, the criminal defendant will be -- once a criminal defendant -- entitled to all of this kind of information, there's a very similar discovery process on the criminal side that exists on the civil side, but this is a little bit like, you know, telling the mafia exactly which members of the gang are under surveillance while the investigation is still going on before you've brought any charges. >> you have got it exactly right. and the danger of this is that when you have witnesses who have shone a propensity to fudge the truth, if i'm going to be
polite, or lie if i'm not, you don't want them knowing what the evidence is so that they can conform their future testimony to what is already known. and so it's very dangerous. you would never let it be known. but the other thing is that the evidence that you have is gathered under secrecy of grand jury and other rules that prohibit your revealing it. so giving it to the defendant -- giving it to anybody, let alone the defendant or subject or anybody who is possibly a witness in an investigation, which clearly many people in the white house are at least witnesses. so it's very wrong and shouldn't happen. and that's why i think it's so very dangerous. and i want to also add to something ron said because he always tees up an ability for me to mention my pins. i would say that the only spying going on here has been bugging by the russians that's why i'm wearing a russian amber
spider -- or beetle i think. >> ron klain will be seeing countless freeze frames of that on twitter in just a minute. ron, adam schiff this morning summarized quickly in about 30 seconds, the series of falseh d falsehoo falsehoods, lies, the president has been presenting about this investigation for a year now, and yet the republicans in congress seem to never tire of this sires of lies. >> yeah, i mean, i do think this is the most disappointing thing if you believe in the rule of law, democracy, accountability, the fact that the president's party is simply letting him get away with this, aiding this, supporting this, is disappointing. i'm a partisanship democratic but i found republicans who believe in these things, the rule of law, and they're now taking a walk on it.
they're letting president lie and demonize this investigation and try to delegitimize the investigation. i believe bob mueller is determined, he's an honest man, respected, le's going to bring this to his conclusion, he'll find the truth wherever it is. i agree with jill there was an effort to help donald trump, aid donald trump, but i don't think it's going to distract or dissuade mueller from getting where he needs to get to. >> gene, quickly, there seems to be a difference between house republicans and the behavior of senate republicans in this matter. >> there has been since the beginning. the house intelligence investigation, thanks to devin nunes, was a joke since the beginning president in the senate you have a much more serious investigation and a more sober approach, i think, to the issues presented by testimony possible involvement of the president's campaign with the
russians. >> thank you all for starting us off tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, congressman eric swalwell, a member of the house intelligence committee is going to join us next. . later, my champion, my here owe and my favorite poet is here tonight live in studio and she will get tonight's last word. 7. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story. and that's why we'll always drive a subaru.
favorite word and every time he uses it, he is lying. and that is the word spy. whenever he uses the word in any form, it is a lie. an example is a tweet from the president this morning about former director of national intelligence james clapper. every word of it, except the name clapper is a lie. it begins, clapper has now admitted that there was spying in my campaign. large dollars were paid to the spy, far beyond normal. now there's more in that tweet. there's another sentence, but it includes a term that president trump is trying to force the news media to use to label this story but because the president of the united states is a dangerous, unstable, lying, propagandaist, we cannot allow the president to control the language of our reporting on his conduct and on his lies.
the phenomenon we have to combat here is call si man tick infiltration. the president is trying to infiltrate the semantics of this story and force others to use his language and that strategy worked in a small way when james clapper appeared on the view and used the president's word even though he said he doesn't like that word. >> was the fbi spying on trump's company? >> no, they were not. they were spying on -- a term i don't particularly like -- on what the russians were doing. trying to understand were the russians infiltrating, trying to gain access, leverage and influence. >> and because james clapper used the word spying, donald trump tweeted the lie clapper admitted there was spying in my campaign. and now some trump supporters
will believe that lie. joining us now is congressman eric swalwell, a member of the house judiciary committee. i want to get your reaction to the today meetings we were discussing in the previous segment with what was supposed to be the gang of 8, that includes the leaders of both parties in the intelligence committees and the leaders of both parties. nancy pelosi, paul ryan, chuck schumer. and it didn't turn out that way. >> no it was gang of 20, though, when you included the white house team that the president sent over and his lawyers. lawrence, just as we've seen in the past, the president drops a smoke bomb into the investigation, tries to distract from the evidence that exists that shows there are real concerns about his contacts with russia, the smoke clears, and nothing has changed about the
evidence in the case. we have learned nothing new that would suggest the fbi has done nothing but protect americans. he uses his word. my word is protect americans. they launch an investigation because they were concerned that his family, his businesses, and his campaign were drawing us too damn close to russians whose interests were only to sow discord and help the president get elected. >> the president said there was spying. let's listen to the speaker of the house says when he was asked about that. >> i don't know the answer to that question. >> he doesn't know the answer to that question. and yet he doesn't seem to object to the president just declaring that there was spying. >> doesn't sound like much of a speaker, right? a speaker speaks up. and paul ryan today chose to leave town when a bipartisan
meeting took place. i think that represents the worst of washington because he left town to go to a fund-raiser. there was an opportunity to have a bipartisan meeting, to address the alarming behavior coming from paul ryan's colleagues in congress, including devin nunes, and he just leaves town. whether that is a sign he doesn't want to be a part of it or he is giving the green light to the president, he is abdicating his responsibilities to put up walls between what the president is trying to do to reach into the evidence locker. >> and one of the stories that the president is trying to divert attention from is a "the washington journal" report on roger stone privately sought information he considered damaging to hillary clinton from wikileaks founder julian assange during the 2016 presidential campaign according to e-mails
reviewed by "the washington journal." the e-mails could raise new questions about mr. stone's testimony before the house intelligence committee in september, in which he said he merely wanted confirmation from an acquaintance that mr. julian assange had information about mrs. clinton. it seems "the washington journal" has information about the e-mails. >> they're doing more reporting than congress has and they don't have subpoena power. i interviewed roger stone, along with my democratic colleagues, and there were a lot of follow-up questions we had and subpoenas we wanted to issue to find out about his communications and the republicans stopped us at every single request. thank god for the reporting of the free press because otherwise we wouldn't learn about this information. and hopefully bob mueller can continue to pursue stone's contact with asans and whether
he was passing information back to donald trump. because this goes back to what did donald trump know about stone's efforts to work with the russians. >> thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. coming up, donald trump's impossible dream about north korea turns out to be an impossible dream (vo) we came here for the friends.
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the president wrote a letter to north korean dictator kim jong-un that might have had the air of an end of a romance. i felt a wonderful dialogue was building up between you and me. some day i look very much forward to meeting you. if you change your mind having to do with this most important summit, please do not hesitate to call or write. the word choice was bad enough to indicate that donald trump had a hand in the writing of the letter. but the letter came as close as it could have to suggesting that donald trump has actually spoken to kim jong-un. i felt a wonderful dialogue was building up between you and me. and then please do not hesitate to call or write. do not hesitate to call the president of the united states. you mean kim jong-un can just pick up the phone and get president trump on the phone? the last time the president was
asked if he has spoken to kim jong-un, he refused to answer the question. north korea's state run media reports that its leaders still want a summit. the country's vice foreign minister released a statement saying we are making it clear that we are willing to sit down any time and in any way to solve the problem. so what has been gained and what has been lost in donald trump's flirtation with north korea? nicholas christophe, who has been to north korea repeatedly, will join us next.
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and so now president trump is waiting for kim jong-un's next move. >> if and when kim jong-un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, i am waiting. in the meantime, our very strong sanctions, by far the strongest sanctions ever imposed, and maximum pressure campaign will continue as it has been continuing. >> joining us now nicholas christophe, columnist from the "new york times" who has reported from north korea. you've been there three times. first of all how shocked were you today, just flatout shocked that this meeting got cancelled? who could have seen that coming? >> i mean, what was a little weird about it was just how this
is one more example of kind of impet chous decision making without consulting allies, without consulting not only south korea and japan but apparently mike pompeo wasn't really fully informed about this. so you know, it's the whole process from when this was announced in march, president trump meeting the south koreans and saying, sure, i'll have a summit, through the assumptions that they were going to get full denuclearization. his burnishing a place on the wall for the nobel peace prize. and then on the belief that the north koreans were about to cancel. this isn't diplomacy, this is a roller coaster ride. the president refuses to answer
the question, has he spoken to kim? and then today he says in the letter, you can call me. he's saying, i will talk to you and he sure sounds like he has talked to him. >> frankly i'm skeptical that he actually has talked. >> my theory would hinge on this trump belief that the most powerful thing he has is his own personal charm. so he's going to turn on the charm on the phone no matter what the advisers tell him. who knows. >> i just worry with this level of incompetence they'd get the wrong mr. kim on the phone. it's striking mike pompeo -- and you know, pompeo is one of the smarter guys in the administrati administration but he didn't understand his family name is kim so you refer to him as chairman un. >> and pompeo came away fully
convinced that this was on track in every way that the trump administration wanted it to believe. >> they seemed to believe they were going to get full denuclearization, which no north korea expert expected. but it does look as though john bolton was undermining mike pompeo. and pompeo was responsible for derailing one of the biggest efforts, he blew it up at that point and it seems he may have blown up this initiative as well. >> so now, along with the please call me to try to get this meeting back, the president is also back to war threats with north korea. >> yeah, i mean, actually, i was glad president trump, in canceling it, did have the slightly plaintiff tone of maybe we can still get together. that was much better than just thundering at them. i think president moon and south korea will try very, very hard to put things back together. president moon is the one who
did deserve the nobel. he has worked heroic cally to reduce tensions. north korea wants a summit. president trump wants it. the problem is president trump seems to think we're going back to maximum pressure. we don't have that option because china is beginning to ease up on sanctions and south korea is recognizing economics. so my worry is this becomes more dangerous than ever because at this point we don't have options. and the pentagon understands absolutely we don't have use of military options, it's dangerous. there's nervousness at the pentagon and south korea that president trump does not understand that and may reach for that military tool box. >> nicholas christophe who's actually been to north korea. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, lawrence.
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from her high school. joyce got her first plain ride this week. most people in ma low wee don't see the inside of an airplane. per capita income is $400 a year so plane tickets are an impossible dream for more people. but joyce is a dreamer and believes she can reach in a poem that she recited for us. >> it's entitled little by little. little by little we grow, no matter how far the distance, little by little we go and reach our destination. >> the destination of joyce's first plane ride was across africa and the atlantic ocean to new york city where she has been experiencing firsts almost every minute of every day. she spoke with a microphone for the first time on tuesday when we visited public school 208 in
brooklyn where she received a hero's welcome from the students and the principal. >> thank you. i'm very excited to see you all. >> at ps 208, joyce participated in her first panel discussion which was the best panel discussion of the week that i heard. tuesday night joyce went to a broadway play. it was the first time she had been in a theatre of any kind. she got there early and saw "saint joan" and she had the thrill of meeting the star backstage. she plays the 17-year-old joan of ark. joyce told me she laughed and
cried and found a new inspiration for reaching her destination. joyce's destination as some of you will remember is to be a doctor and a poet and in boston last night, and today, she moved a step closer to that destination. last night joyce stepped up to the microphone at unicef's gala. and joyce stepped up to the microphone as if she's done it every night. a julie invited joyce to participate in the program today. so we immediately reworked joyce's schedule so she could spend the morning at harvard medical school. joyce is able to attend high school where public high school is not free, thanks to the kind
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when jersoyce chisale thinkf the kind fun and the support she gets to stay in school, she thinks of me because i am the face of the kind fund for her. that's the way she sees it no matter how many times i tell her about all the help and inspiration i got from karen russell, meg campbell, phil griffin, victor chinyama and carol stern in creating the kind fund, not to mention the hundreds of people who keep the kind fund operating on a daily basis in the united states at unicef and in malawi, especially clara chindami, who introduced me to joyce in malawi two years ago and has accompanied joyce on
her trip from malawi to the united states this week. and maybe because joyce knew that my brothers and a bunch of my boston o'donnell relatives would be at the gala last night, joyce announced that the one poem that she was going to recite last night is a poem that she wrote for me. and it's about how she felt when she was sent home from school because her family was unable to pay her tuition. >> let me tell you i have made a special poem for him, and i'm going to recite it for him. it is entitled "you came to our rescue." stranded we were in this education field. helplessly we stood without any shield. we thought it was over. everything turned upside down. we thought we were alone, and that we'd not be educated in this town. then we prayed to god so that he can send someone to come and lift us up.
long at last he sent lawrence to come and lift us up. mr. o'donnell, you came to our rescue. >> now, joyce, you know it's a lot of people. it's not just me. the kind fund is a lot of people. and, you know, you earned your place in that school. you were already in that school before we came along. you just ran into a little bit of a struggle for a few weeks of being able to pay school fees and that's when we came in and had the school fees for you. >> yeah. >> how did that change for you knowing that you were going to be able to finish all of your years of high school, knowing that the school fees would be paid? >> it really changed my life because when i was sent home to collect school fees, i thought my dream of becoming a doctor was over. i always thought they were going to be paying for my school fees, i knew my dream would be
fulfilled. and from that day i started working hard so that i can achieve my goal. and i can tell you now from that day, i took the first position in class. and also not just that, but i was also able to interact well with my friends knowing that my school fees has been paid and knowing that i don't have any problems at school. so it made me to work really hard. >> and i want to show a picture of your father, who i met when you and i first met for the first time because your father has done a great job with you and the family. and it was very difficult for him to be in that situation where it was difficult to keep you in the school. but he's been really great and supportive all the way through and was very strict with clara about you coming to new york, and what were you going to do in new york. so what has been the favorite thing you've done in new york this week? >> in new york, i visited
broadway theater. i watched a play entitled "saint joan" and also i visited an elementary school, and i went to september 11 memorial, and i also went to the top of the rock. i have done a lot of things here in new york, but my favorite part was the broadway theater play. it really inspired me a lot. >> and it's about a 17-year-old girl. >> yeah. >> and you met the actress backstage. she's really great in the play, wasn't she? >> yeah, she was really, really wonderful. i was really excited to meet her in the backstage because i never dreamt i would meet her. i just thought i would just watch the play and then go to the hotel. but when i met her, i was very inspired. and, you know, the thing that really inspired me in the play was her courage. she was very courageous. she stood for the truth. she did not turn back, but she
went forward so that she can reach the promised land. so this has really encouraged me as a girl that we girls have to be courageous, you know. many girls in africa doesn't have courage. but she really showed me that it is good to have courage because if you have courage, you can finish what you want to do, and you can reach the thing you want to reach. >> now, we got very lucky last night. >> yeah. >> when we met people from harvard medical school who invited you to come over to harvard medical school today. what was that like for you? you want to go to medical school, and suddenly there you were today at harvard medical school. >> yeah, it was an inspiration for me to go to medical school because, you know, i just thought i would be only in new york. i never knew i would go to medical school. but once i was there, i just know that like this is where i want to be. this is where i want to study because, you know, medicine is very interesting. and i happen to like -- we had a discussion with a certain doctor
whereby she asked me the kind of doctor i want to be. and i told her i want to be a neurosurgeon. then she said you don't have to specify the kind of doctor you want to be until you become the doctor. and i was really convinced that, yeah, i will specify the kind of doctor i want to be until i become the doctor because there are so many field in medicine. so, yeah, it was really an inspiration. and i would like to continue with that doctor thing, and i would like to become a doctor, and i will never change my career. >> they have a program for high school students like you over there, which you were part of today. so you met some american high school students over there today at harvard medical school. >> yeah. >> was that fun? they were your age. >> yeah, it was very fun. and i was very happy to work with some of my age mates. and we happened to talked to a certain patient and we were asking her a lot of questions. she was answering.
when i was asking her, i was really feeling i am indeed a doctor. and it was really exciting to work with students, and it has also really inspired me a lot. >> what's the first thing you're going to tell your friends when you go home? >> when i go home, i will tell my friends that my trip to new york wasn't a waste of time because i learned so many things here in new york. i never knew i would learn so many things. you know, when i went to broadway elementary school, where i met some kids who conducts the peace work, i was really touched because there were small children who knew what they were doing, who knew that children in malawi are having a problem, so i was really touched that small children like them knowing that, it was really good. and that was the best elementary
school i've ever seen in my life. i was very happy. >> joyce chisale gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams is next. joyce, that was fantastic. thank you. tonight, spotted. the president's chief of staff and lawyer show up at a classified briefing with members of congress on a confidential informant in the russia investigation. this as the president continues to peddle his conspiracy theory about an alleged spy. plus north korea tonight says it will talk to the u.s. at any time, even after donald trump's dramatic cancellation of his summit meeting with kim jong-un. today's twin developments leaving the white house on defense and in disarray as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a thursday night.