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to cause get. if you spot one, remain calm and move away slowly. but lordy, watch your step. that's all for tonight. we'll be back with monday orange "mtp daily." have a great weekend. "the beat with ari melber" starts now. good evening, ari. good evening. we begin with breaking news. new heat on michael cohen as he's busted for a trump tower meeting that has never been disclosed before. michael cohen secretly met with a sanctioned russian billionaire just 11 days before the inauguration meeting. it is now under investigative scrutiny. and there's video. cohen met with victor vexleberg. he's the same oligarch behind the company that funneled half a million dollars to michael cohen's shell company that, yes,
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paid stormy daniels. the context is key. vexleberg is considered so clearly and blatantly close to putin that even the trump administration has sanctioned him. he's not a russian government employee per se. he's a supremely russian government fixer who doesn't things for putin, like spending millions on faberge eggs that were supposed to come back to the kremlin for a display case. keep that in mind. he said he doesn't talk to russian government people. >> i'm telling you, i was not in prague. they claim they have photos of me with some russian government -- photos. >> did you see any hookers while in prague? >> i have never been to prague. i've never been to russia. >> release the photos. look at it like this tonight, if you string enough photos
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together, you get moving ummages. here are photos to release. this is airing on cnbc for the first time showing the russian-linked oligarch and his cousin entering to meet with michael cohen. instead, vexleberg is lying to "the new york times" about this being a mutual desire with donald trump. the very same week, donald trump was still publicly touting what he was going to get an administration job. >> michael cohen is a good lawyer. i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. >> now, that was happening, those statements in the press conference, during the
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transition, when the meeting took place. forget all the trump conspiracy theories. that's the push-back. look at why the temperature is so high in the white house. this news to do the evidence that russia was with a close confidant and praising that very week. i'm joined by maya, a and howard dean. what does this show for the investigation? >> well, basically, it means that michael cohen is in deep trouble, deep trouble, because there have been clear connections. we already knew there was an e-mail exchange between him and felix sader in 2015 when trying to create the moscow trump hotel. that he could get help and
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create that relationship. and that they could get their boy elected, right? so there are extra e-mails that suggest a relationship that includes both business dealings and winning the presidency. we don't know more about what that means, but now you have the fact that he has close meetings that vexleberg was a person who gave, whose cousin and later was actually supporting the trump campaign, supported the inauguration. and that he was at the inauguration with trump himself. >> the intrader a big part of this money trail. >> he's vexleberg's cousin. >> he's the cousin, so he's part of the family. we don't know everyone that mueller has interviewed, but we have a growing list from the leaks that come from a lot of witnesses. so it is fascinating, bob mueller focused mostly on americans. a lot of people are involved in the trump campaign, which makes sense. but when it comes to foreigners,
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this is the same person we caught on tape in this video. "the new york times" is noting that mueller's investigators stopped him at an airport when flying on a private jet in new york. they interviewed mr. intrader twice. this is a bigger part of the russian collusion probe that was initially understood. >> that's absolutely right. what we need for a conspiracy, which is essentially what we have been talking about, is an agreement between more than one person. trump would have had to have knowledge, but he wouldn't have to take any action personally. if he knew about it, he knew about the criminal intent, if there was criminal intent. and so this is some of the thing that is put us more closely in the circle of potentially the brass ring. >> howard dean, that's a lot of the law.
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there's also the politics, which is the extraordinary way the republican national committee is keeping cohen on board. take a look at this new today. >> michael cohen, last time we spoke, you told me he was still working as a deputy finance chair for the rnc. is that still the case? >> it is still the case. there's ongoing litigation and we'll take that step by step, but he is still. >> howard? >> this is very dangerous. trump is really infecting the entire republican party with his swamp. he is the swamp. and he's brought the swamp to washington. the thing that is astonishing about it is how uncareful he is. mueller is following the money around. when you follow the money around, if this russian oligarch who was close to putin paid $500,000 to cohen and cohen used it for trump's benefit. that's obstruction of justice. i think the rnc is now at risk of being charged with obstruction of justice for
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hiring cohen in what is most likely a no-show job to keep his head above water expense-wise while getting investigated. these guys, you know, we're all talking about this really confusing stuff for the general public on television. mueller has a paper trail, which shows a hell of a lot of money being laundered. i have to believe this is really dangerous for the republican party. >> right. and the fact that the republican party feels they are in deep enough that it looks bad to get cohen out because it's kind of an admission. but i want you to stay with me, add one of the columns. there's pay to play and actual chargeable corruption. how is this playing in washington, a town that has low standards but still? >> well, if i can paraphrase the president, who knew collusion charges could be so complicated. they were seeing tentacles go out in various directions and knew trump and his family were
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very much involved in russian financeers. but what we are learning is how many branches there are here. and also michael cohen's role, central role, in connecting parts of the money flow. what we don't know is how much the president knew and when dud he know it? if i could borrow a watergate phrase. that may be the central question we are poking at here. meanwhile, as soon as we move up the ladder, people like michael cohen are putting themselves into some complex jeopardy here. >> andrew intrader mentioned as a person who carries out what the russian billionaire wants to have happen, oddly told "the new york times" what it was like to visit michael cohen during that time. i remember walking in and seeing lots of boxes because michael was packing up his office and looking forward to hanging out his own shingle, mr. intrader
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said. clarence, what do you make of that? or do they know care, they will just talk to american media about it? >> cohen did have a growing empire there of connections and more and more all the time here. and he was operating out of trump tower, in addition, so it does look like it is certainly part of the trump empire, but we have to establish how firm the connections are and how much the president knew at that time as he was becoming president. >> howard dean, does any of this stick to the president politically, because even if it is not all the bases for charges, it is literally all the things he accused hillary clinton of? or is this such a high polarizing environment and the russian probe has a legal component, which we try to cover in a clear, legal way here, but it is obviously politically viewed through quite a prism out there.
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>> it very much sticks to the president and can a fascinating example of public radio. there was a story this morning talking about the schism between conservative catholics and the evangelicals. evangelical so-called christians are all-in with trump regardless of the morality. the catholics are not. and the bishops are very upset about the immigration policy, the policies towards poor people, and the morality of trump has infected his support. he was helped by a lot of working class people. he's going to get a much smaller percentage of the catholic vote in 2018 and 2020 as a result of, i think, the bishop's disgust with this kind of behavior. >> clarence? >> well, you know, i covered chicago politics for a lot of years. i am fascinated by the complexities of the corruption. but also by how much, how many chicago citizens, especially mayor daley, supported the mayor as long as he got the garbage cans picked up and the snow
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cleared from the streets. this is how trump supporters are judging him now. they are looking at the positive tuf impact on their lives. >> but instead of, like, instead of clearing the garbage, it's just pressuring the nfl and anti-speech policy, is that the proverbial garbage in this analogy? >> yeah. i remember the watergate scandal. most folks in the midwest didn't know about the complexities of it and seem to care until nixon resigned. then everybody said, this was serious, wasn't it? and then they began to figure out just why the president resigned. that's where we are right now with this series of scandals as they come out. they are complicated. and folks wonder where is all this going to end. in the meantime, trump and his supporters are playing on the public's impatience saying mueller's been at this too long and he needs to stop. that's just not going to happen, but i think we are going to have to try to pay attention to the complexities. >> i think the complexity, although it's a fair point from our panelists here, but
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complexity can become kind of a dodge. if you're selling out the government for personal benefit, the way you do it might be complex, because you might be a sneaky lawyer. >> right. >> that's fine. but i think people understand what it means to sell out. >> the story is fairly straightforward. the facts that would be necessary to prove it are the complicated part. so if it's pretty -- remember that one of the things that happened in watergate, there was a smoking gun. it was the tapes. and that really -- it wasn't really the obstruction of justice charges that really got nixon. it was the fact that he was on tape clearly engaging with criminal intent, right? and i think part of the complexity is going back to what clarence is saying is, where and how are we going to get information about trump's direct connection to what mueller is investigating. but the point here is, there's so much that points to it, right? so if we have donald trump jr.
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actively saying, i want those e-mails that might implicate hillary clinton. and then trump, part of his obstruction is, he's not just -- he's not saying, oh, i'm going to frame comey. he's going to talk about why he's meeting with the russian attorney in june in trump tower. and so when we put the pieces together, the story seems pretty straight-forward. there's so much lying going on. trump himself has been lying actively and aggressively in ways that are public record right now. for the public, the question is, why lie? if he didn't do anything wrong, how are we going to believe that your son was doing something when your actual campaign was primarily led by your family. so i think those parts of the story are clear. i don't think the american public that we have seen from the most recent polling believes donald trump tells the truth. only 13% of americans believe
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that he tells the truth. i think over time this really starts to erode politically for the republicans. and i think the problem for our country is, we have to be very careful how far we let it go because we have institutions of the government that need to work, that we need to protect if we're going to have a democratic process. >> as we often say, when mya wiley finishes a breakdown, cleric clerical, thank you. we'll turn to another story and the journalist who started it all. the new york authorities charged harvey weinstein today. i'm about to speak with megan touhy who broke the story to "the new york times." weinstein is charged with three counts of rape and sexual assault and turned himself in today. the once-powerful mogul was booked, charged and led out in handcuffs. he did not take questions.
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inside the courtroom, meanwhile, prosecutors lay out in general terms the case they will later have to prove in detail. the judge ensuring that defendant weinstein also understood his bail. >> he used his provision, money and power to situations where he was able to violate them sexually. >> do you understand that? >> over 90 women have publicly accused weinstein of various kinds of assault. today's charges stem from two of them, two counts of rape and one count of shiblgexual assault. he had sexual intercourse with her while she did not consent and grabbed the woman to physically force her into oral sex. take a look at this. new york's attorney general is resigning recently because of his own assault allegations.
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that's the context for what women are facing in new york. it was a different prosecutor that the manhattan d.a. also numberly took a lot of heat for not dealing with this case and charging weinstein originally in 2015. weinstein's lawyer previewed the defense today that tries to cast weinstein as a per sayer on the casting couch but not a criminal. >> my job is not to defend behavior. my job is to defend something that is criminal behavior. bad behavior, mr. weinstein did not invent the casting couch in hollywood, and to the extent that there is bad behavior in that industry, that is not what this is about. bad behavior is not on trial in this case. it's only if you intentionally commit a criminal act and mr. weinstein vigorously denies that. >> weinstein's accusers had a different message today. >> this is a big strike into the
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heart of abuse of power. and it shows people worldwide, which is what i was hoping the whole time, that this cannot and will not stand. >> megan touhy, that investigative reporter joins me now. when you worked on this story and published it in october, did you expect this to happen today? >> i did not. i did not. when my reporting partner, jodie, and i began our investigation, basically, the spring of 2017, we were constantly looking into the eyes of the victims who were just terrified to come forward and go on therd wrote. and i don't think that anybody from the victims through us, the reporters, ever expected that we would see harvey weinstein today in handcuffs in court. >> when you talk to them, what did your reporting suggest they were most afraid of? harvey weinstein has relationships with the current president, donald trump, he had
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relationships with the clintons and throwing his money around. he has relationships with media moguls, business elites, political elites. he employed private security. what scared the most? >> well, i think few people under the various levels of protection that he had built around him over the years. the kind of complicity machine and various enablers worked to the occasion to cover-up the pattern of misconduct. over the recent months, we have realized there were high-powered lawyers who came in and helped pay hush money to women who made claims to him over the years. there were private investigators that were dispatched to dig up dirt on the accusers and the reporters that were hot on the trail. and yeah, he absolutely did have relationships with people in the media industry that instead of covering him were also helping to protect him. and so for all these reasons, he had really, for year after year, decade after decade, appeared as untouchable. that he would, because of all
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his celebrity in power, never go down and that it would be the women who suffered damage to their careers if they spoke out. >> the nypd was on this. there was this leaked sting audio recording, which calm out in the same period when you were doing this reporting. let's take a listen to that now. >> why yesterday you touch my breast? >> oh, please. i'm sorry. come on, i'm used to that. >> you're used to that? >> yes. >> no, but i'm not used to that. >> i don't do it again, come on. sit here for a minute, please? >> no, i don't want to. >> if you do this now you will -- now go. never call me again. okay? i'm sorry, nice to -- i promise you i won't do anything. >> i know, but yesterday was too much for me. >> i will never do another thing to you. don't worry your friendship to me for five minutes. >> i know, but it's my life. it's too much. >> you're making a big scene here, please. >> no. >> what do you hear on that
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recording? and what does it tell you about the investigative process? >> so the district attorney's office that brought charges against weinstein today in these two cases that are completely separate from that, you know, also? 2015 was brought a criminal case by a cop. a woman met an italian model who went to weinstein's office for a business meeting. and within hours she reported to the police she was groped by him, that he tried to sexually abuse her. she wore the wire and got by many sort of interpretations and sounds like a confession. the district attorney's office didn't bring the charges. so the office has come under a lot of criticism for that, especially in recent months when all the other allegations have come out against him. and so i think that the office was under intense pressure to make sure that it did its job this time around. >> megan twohey, thank you for
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coming on "the beat." ahead, we have a former icon from vogue. but first, roger stone has been repeatedly attacking me and my reporting. i'm not going to respond to the personal part, but we have an e-mail about his wikileaks contact that is are under scrutiny. also, the former associate is telling all with adam schiff's investigators. and we are back in just 60 seconds. if you use some of these moves
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e-mails revealed how far stone went to get specific dirt on clinton from wikileaks. reporting on the e-mails, the radio host is one of the few americans to interview assange. he broke his silence about the interview on "the beat" alleging stone was a liar and given the new impacts, randy is back with me tonight. what everyone thinks of the players in this dramdrama, here why it matters. they are tackling the question of whether roger stone hiked the contacts but never came close to a crime or whether stone ever took actions that could implicate him in an election. conspiracy. one of the newly-leaked e-mails shows the two discussing a future batch of clinton e-mails and noting they could not ask assange for favors every other day. a former clinton aide hacked responded to the leaked e-mails with this message, i am filled with rage. and that is not all. the leaked e-mails go past the campaign and this year it shows
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stone worrying that credico was wearing a wire. and credico said he would not comply with investigators. >> hillary clinton two aides invoked the fifth amendment. were they lying last year? so i invoked it because i do not want to sit down with that committee. i do not believe in that committee. i am not happy with adam schiff. >> that was a big claim. but like some other witnesses who threatened not to testify, we can report tonight, credico did talk to adam schiff's staff this wednesday and joins us for his interview since then for this exclusive. randy credico, thank you for being here. >> always imperial to be in the hot seat on "the beat." >> you weren't going to talk to schiff but you did wednesday. why did you change? and what did you discuss? >> well, i ran into him at the white house correspondents dinner. we had a nice exwhat i thichang
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he's from and where i'm from. i said, we'll have an informal talk on the record. i'm not going in front of a stenographer and your lawyers. i went there last friday to get some informal stuff. this entire affair has totally destroyed my life in so many ways. >> what did they want to know? >> they wanted to know everything that you wanted to know. they wanted to know if i was -- so i said, hey, look -- >> they wanted to know about the role you play between roger stone and assange. >> yes. here's what i said to them, you're wasting your time chasing rainbows on roger stone. stop giving him so much attention. he thrives off this. i understand this story, but it's very misleading. the eight e-mails that lead into it miss halladay omitted. >> let's go into it. >> i sent you them today because i'm not ashamed of this. i proved i did not -- >> there's one that says, please ask assange for any state or hrc
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e maul from august 10th to august 30th with roger stone saying, why do we assume wikileaks has released everything they have? >> leaving out the very first e-mail -- >> what does that say to you? >> he sent an e-mail from a guy named dr. paul that had something to do with hillary clinton. i looked at it and he wanted me to put somebody on the show. i'll look at it. and he says, no, you have to confirm it first. i said, well, asang might be on my show. i said, look at wikileaks' website to see if it is there. >> the reason this is of investigative interest is whether roger was hyping that he was using you to get to assange or whether there was some of that going on. the e-mails make it look like you were discussing e-mails at specific times. >> that's right. i understand how it looks. that was my first conversation with roger stone about julian assange. and when did it come, like september 18th or something like that, right? >> september 18, 2016. >> the previous three months we
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had no discussion, no discussion on julian assange or wikileaks. >> so you maintain, i just want to be clear, you spoke to adam schiff's people and maintain that roger was hyping or lying that you want to -- now we are going to part two. >> he wanted me to get this to julian assange. >> we go to part two, which is what people do during an investigation. we have noted on this program can be stressful. i'm going to read here -- >> i'm not stressed at all. >> you feel good, good. i'm going to read something to you that roger stone allegedly said to you. i'm going to take that dog away from you. nothing you can do about it. i'm paraphrasing. i'm going to prove to the world you're a liar. is stone, in your view, trying to change your account of activities in 2016? >> i think he didn't like me being on your show the first time. why didn't he put that -- he's the one that sent that e-mail by the way though halladay. i sent the previous eight e-mails. he's afraid i'm going to unload on him. >> why is he bringing your dog,
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who we have on the screen, why is he bringing your dog into this? >> because he's a sick man. he's delusional. >> let me bring in attorney mya wiley who often joins us for this part of the program. >> i know. >> this is the discussion part. take a listen to roger stone who said something very unusual, even for him and for anyone in this situation on "meet the press" this sunday. take a listen. >> it is not inconceivable now that mr. mueller and his team may seek to conjure up some extraneous crime pertaining to my business or maybe not even pertaining to the 2016 election. >> how do you make sense of what roger stone is doing and saying? and what mr. credico alleges after speaking to house investigators, after believing mr. stone is threatening him? >> well, i think mr. stone is threatening his dog in a communication with aggression. i think it is very clear that roger stone has made several statements that seem to be
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contradicted by the e-mails that he sent and that may get him in trouble in terms of perjury. for instance, he has said publicly he didn't have advanced knowledge of the hacks. then we have sam nunberg and another unnamed source saying he dud. but then he constantly stated he was only trying to confirm the existence of e-mails, not that he -- and never suggested that he was specifically seeking specific types of e-mails. and what this exchange seems to indicate is that he actually was looking for particular information. >> so you're saying, from an investigative view, the particularity revealed here could be bad for stone. >> correct. and add to that, remember that donald trump, during the campaign, was saying that he did not support the attacks in libya and going after moammar gadhafi. and hillary clinton said, that's a lie, you made the statements, but there was a tug-of-war going on about the position of hillary
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clinton in libya. and then we had this period in which he's actually trying to seek e-mails related to libya from a particular period of time in august 2011. so you have to wonder, are there conversations happening? >> what else is filling out that picture, yeah. >> exactly. >> i want to ask about mr. credico, i meet no disrespect, i try to treat people fairly, but mya, you will get a chance to respond, the pattern that we have seen that are of investigative interest or who the congressional committees want to speak to, and some make a big showing saying they will not comply and end up doing so. >> well, look, i think it is very hard not to comply with a subpoena. because you have put yourself in legal jeopardy if you don't. and also initially what people do is say they don't want to. it is scary. and then at a certain point,
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start to see there could be some benefit to cooperating rather than fighting. >> i went there for a specific reason. i went down there to ask him, if you want to get to the bottom of all this, then go to london. i had gone there with a man from mr. assange to mr. schiff to go over there to interview him. i got the okay from assange to do that. >> what? what? you have julian assange willing to speak to adam schiff's committee? >> yes. he told me to talk to schiff -- >> when did he tell you that? >> just before i went down there. it was a secret mission. that's the way it went. >> when? before wednesday? >> yes. >> and why does assange want to speak to mr. credico. >> if he wants to go over there, he's waiting for him. if that's the case, did adam schiff's people seem interested in doing the interview?
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>> he said, it's well noted. then i gave him general stuff, not a lot of information, just background on roger stone's character, his personality, his mindset and said, forget about me. just jump to the -- >> why does julian assange want to do that? >> well, he's ready to show that there is no collusion, me, stone, he's willing to sit down with schiff and be interviewed. >> does he have any other material that hasn't been released that would support his side of this? >> i think so. i think that -- >> what kind of material would that be? >> i don't know because he doesn't give up to sources. he doesn't give out information. he doesn't telegraph stuff. >> he doesn't talk to a lot of people. for whatever reason, he does talk to you repeatedly. i can tell you tlrks communication between him.
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i said, we'll go with this with schiff and -- >> did you tell him you were going with schiff? >> roger stone and i are not really talking. that thing with my dog is mild to the kind of harassment i have received from roger stone over the last couple of weeks. >> micah wiley, what do you make of the additional statement by mr. asang s -- assange, remember he's in the ecuador embassy because he's wore you ared about extradition. now he's being pressured out of the embassy. they disconnected him from the internet and has been a concern to him being forced to leave. he does not want to be extradite ed by the united states.
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julian assange could be a co-conspirator -- >> he seems to be thoughtful about a lot of the issues to say he understands how it works. is it possible that he's just trolling you? >> no, i have vefr -- i have very sol lud communications. and he and people around him want to set this up. if he's serious, if he's serious, he will go. nixon went to china. if the president is going to meet with the north korean president, certainly schiff has credibility and the chops to go over there and. >> you could have been anywhere but chose to be here. >> i broke it on your show. >> mya, thanks to both of you, appreciate it.
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much more and a lot more. what is trump trying to do to undermine the free press? we dig into the backstory. >> we talked about this yesterday on the phone. >> do the interview with somebody else. also, tonight alec baldwin with a big clue on the future of this -- >> oh, my god, i'm already so bored. i wish i was watching "roseanne." how great is that show. roseanne loves me. she's like a good rosie o'donnell. and the fashion icon andre leon tally is live with us. to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines look better. it's a quick 10 minute treatment given by a doctor to reduce those lines.
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it is friday on "the beat." you know what that means? it is time to fall back. we are not playing tonight. we have the distinguish ed andr
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leon talley with us. >> just a paur of shorts and a tennis short. i go to ralph lauren for the shirt. this is my version of the tennis watch. it is all a part of being who i am. i have to get up and approach live in my own esthetics. >> he's worked with tom ford and the late oscar de la renta. and the film covers his life from the jim crow era. >> i didn't know who i was becoming. i was becoming, but i dud get out of the jim crow south. >> people's hands exploded because he was so many things he wasn't supposed to be. >> he became part of the landscape of new york. >> you don't get up and say, i'm
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black and proud. and somehow you do it and it will impact the culture. the former executor of "the new york times." and husband best-selling book is "fly fishing." and the man won the pulitzer prize. you honor us with your presence. we have two icons at the table. >> it's an honor to be with you, harry. >> and it's an honor to be with you. >> can i say before we get started, you guys look good together. >> we do. we do. we look good together. we compliment each other. >> andre, who needs to fall back? >> who needs to fall back? all the people bashing kanye west. i think kanye west is going through a difficult moment in his life when he has embraced the man in the white house and embraced statements that are really not attune to what people feel. particularly the
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african-american people in slavery. i think instead of bashing him and saying he's mentally ill, people reached out to him on the vi view. i've had conversations with kanye west at 6:00 a.m. in the morning. that was back in the day before he got married. so please call me, kanye. so we should pray for him. >> what is he like in the morning? >> he's looking for ideas. >> aren't we all? >> he's looking for ideas. and he graces it with, it's me, kanye. then you have to talk. then he hangs up. but that's okay, too. >> i didn't know that he called you -- >> he always called me before he got married to kim. once he got married to kim, i never heard from him again. >> i have never heard this from you before, but may i ask you a question. you would say, wake up, mr. west, mr. west, think about what you're saying. words matter. words matter. words do matter. and this is going to follow you and your children are going to grow up.
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i would say, wake up. but we are praying for you, brother. we love you, brother. he needs to listen to cornell we west. and there was an extraordinary br brilliant piece. >> do words mat her? >> they do. i'm also an attorney to alabama where i live. >> hold on, are you doing a self fall-back? >> yes, because i don't want my alabama passport to be revoked. i love my home state, in part, for the flaws and for its wonderful history. now, i'm also going to dabble with the rules that fall back in this regard. i'm going to talk about a man who was thrown back. vic cunningham has fallen back because the voters of dallas defeated him by 25 votes. this is a man who has held public office. he's nonfor uknown for using th
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whhabitua habitually. his brother bill was campaigning against him, along with another. and then bull's father said he was not coming to dinner. and a good writer for the political "washington post" says demographics is destiny. and this is a crystal snapshot of the change iing state of tex which i think is in a race with georgia to be the first southern state to go blue in the 2020, possibly as early as the 2020 election. and this also points out a demographic feature that is common throughout the south and southwest. and that is, the south that's inhabited by people over 40 of both races is very different
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from the south that is inhabited by people under 40. >> how does that compare to your experience? in reading the profile of your documentary, you obviously decided to transcend a lot of what you were up against. >> well, i knew i had to get out of there. i knew i had to get out of the south. i was destined to be a teacher at a public school or private school. and i would have never left the south. once i got out of the south and went to brown and then came to new york and met the great andy warhol, they said, don't go back to the south. don't go home for christmas because it will happen for you. because if i had gone home, i would have taken a safe, secure job. and i never would have gone back. and i do love the south. >> what did andy warhol see in you and what dud that make you see in yourself? >> i'm not sure what he saw in me, but he just supported me and would say, oh, gee, you can do anything. gee, that's so great, andre. >> but he didn't support every single person? >> no. something must have been in me when i came and i was hungry to
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impress. but i did it in a very subtle way. it's the great right of vanessa subtlety. >> all i'm getting today is subtlety. >> this is casual. >> this is casual. >> if i were going somewhere, this would be more ceremonial than this. >> this is the most casual "the beat" has been. >> this is not drag, this is casual. this is every day drag. ceremonial broquet. >> look, i'm a thompson, we don't do casual. the athletes are heroes and they have every right to stand up or stand down. and to go down with dignity on one knee. they are representing cause. pain is inflicted on people in this country without people knowing his pain. and it simply is a ball of gesture. and i think that the man in the
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white house has single-handedly influenced the nfl with money people, the -- >> they are kneeling to him. >> they are kneeling to the money, to the money. and i think there's big backlash and history is made with complete and unapologetic protest in the locker room on the field. >> i agree. and my fall back akin to this one is with the world tennis association, the french tennis association, who dewrites the best tennis player of all time who had a baby and they deflate that to injury. >> she's the best tennis player in our time. >> can we do this again with both of you? >> i would love to come back. >> there's a saying how -- >> thank you. >> you're just an icon living and both of you are icons. this is a great honor to us with
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>> you might say he's a quick study in politics. when you look through the archives, this is not just political trump. this is something he has been doing, attacking the media for decades. >> when people say something false, i attack those people. the news gets away with murder. the news media. they get away with murder. i don't stand for it when they write false and malicious stories. >> forbes has been after me for years. they say the plaza hotel is not worth what everybody knows it's worth. it's a total hatchet job. >> it's a strategy and born of a kind of emotional weakness. a new documentary from netflix showcases trump's thin skin. >> but the ones who said negative things and. >> well, back to the negative. back to the negative. do this interview with somebody else. >> we talked about this yesterday on the phone. >> do the interview with somebody else. >> there's nothing we didn't discuss on the phone, donald. >> do it with somebody else. since taking office, trump
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tweeted about fake news almost 200 times, more than russia, isis, kim jong-un or putin which gives you a sense of his personal priorities. donald trump obviously needs the media. he was a media professional as an nbc entertainer. he used to pretend to be his own spokesman to try to get the coverage he craved. >> what's your name again. >> and you work with donald trump? >> yes, that's correct. he treats everybody well. you know donald. >> i have met him. >> you have? he's a good guy and he's not going to hurt anybody. the one article is total nonsense. >> have you met him? it's me. you have to have a certain kind of philosophy to pull that off. trump does cite the same media for things he agrees with, but it's never been about truth even before he was in politics. it's about control. and we should all keep that in mind as he attacks the free press. that's not at all tonight. there is something very interesting going on over at
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"snl" may need a new trump. we last saw alec baldwin's version when robert de niro was on his case as mueller. here is what baldwin is saying today. >> it crashes every weekend you have with your kids. and it's, you know, i enjoy doing it, but what's going to happen in the future, i don't know where i'm going to be.
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who knows what's going to happen if i do it again or don't. they should get somebody who can do it all the time. >> someone else who could do it all the time sounds like he might be ready to retire his trump. >> this is michael cohen. are you alone? >> yes. >> and what are you wearing? >> excuse me? >> it is such an honor. thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule. >> yes. i'm so busy. and if you're wondering why i'm so out of breath, it's because i'm doing my p90x morning exercises right now. right now, i'm getting my daily intelligence briefing. >> oh, from who. >> from you guys? >> can i have my desk back. >> yes, of course, mr. president, i'll go sit at my desk. >> can't deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. number two, no lifetime limits which you know is a big deal if you have serious health problems
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and number three -- sorry. >> vladimir, i'm sorry but i didn't know you were coming. so i do not have a gift for you. >> please, mr. trump, you are the gift. >> and alec baldwin has been a gift for many during these times. we'll see what he ultimately decides. i'll be back monday night 6:00 p.m. eastern. we have a special on the mueller probe. "hardball" starts right now. the world according to trump. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. it's been less than 24 hours since president trump canceled distate with kim jong-un. once again ratcheting up tensions on the world stage. despite that though, president trump today declared america is back. and finally

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