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26% of republicans said the its had responsibility, only 25% of evangelicals. >> thank you for joining us. that is "hardball." chris mathews will be back here monday night 7:00 eastern. >> tonight we have a very special show. we begin with breaking news. new heat on michael cohen as he's busted for trump tower russia meeting that has never been disclosed before. michael cohen secretly met with a sanctioned russian billionaire just 11 days before donald trump's inauguration. a meeting that was publicly exposed today and is now under investigative scrutiny and there is video. cohen met with viktor vekselberg at trump tower. if that rings a bell tonight it's because it is the very same oligarch questioned by mueller's investigators, the same oligarch behind the company that funneled half a million dollars to michael cohen's shell company that, yes, paid stormy daniels. now, the context is key. vekselberg is considered so clearly and blatantly close to
putin that even the trump administration has sanctioned him. he's not a russian government employee per se, but he's actually something much more important. supremely wealthy russian government fixer who does things for putin, like spending millions on faber jay eggs that were supposed to come back to russia for a kremlin display case. so, keep that in mind when you recall that michael cohen has not only disclaimed any outreach to russia, he also said he doesn't talk to russian government people. >> i'm telling you, i was not in prague. they claim they have photos of me with some russian government people. i said show me photos. >> did you see any hookers while you were in prague? >> i've never been to prague, i've never been to russia. >> release the photos. look at it like this tonight. if you string enough photos together, you get moving images, and here are some photos to release. here's the video, this is aaron on msnbc for the first time tonight showing the russian government linked oligarch and
his cousin entering trump tower to meet with michael cohen. since they were caught on tape, you're looking at it, there aren't really any denials on this part of the story tonight. instead, vekselberg's lying to "the new york times" that this meeting was about a, quote, mutual desire to strengthen russia's relations with trump. cohen would go on to get money from vekselberg and the very same week donald trump was still publicly touting cohen whether he was going to get an administration job or not. >> michael cohen, i was being -- michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, he's a good lawyer in my firm. i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've -- >> that was happening, those statements there at the press conference during the transition in that key time we know the meeting took place. trump arguing that basically he'd stayed away from russia since his last trip in 2013. so, here is what's big tonight. forget all the trump conspiracy
theories. that's the push back. look at why the temperature is so high in the white house. this news adds to the evidence that russia was more than willing to come to trump and to his very close confidant that he was praising in public that very week. i'm joined by my a wiley and former counsel of new york, vermont governor and dnc chair howard dean. mia, what does this mean for the investigation? >> well, basically it means that michael cohen is in deep trouble, deep trouble, because there have been clear connections. we already knew there was an e-mail exchange between him and felix saider in 2015 when they were trying to create the moscow trump hotel, right, that he could get them to putin, that he could get help, create that relationship. and that they could get their boy elected, right? so there are actual e-mails that suggest a relationship that
includes both business dealings and winning the presidency. we don't know more about what that means, but now you have the fact that he has close meetings -- remember that vekselberg was a person who gave -- whose cousin and later actually was supporting the trump presidential campaign, supported the inauguration, and that he was at the inauguration with trump himself. >> right. you're talking about who is a big part of this money trail. >> he's vekselberg's cousin aefr >> and his cousin. this is all in the family. we don't know everyone mueller has interviewed, but we have a growing list that come from leaks from the witnesses. bob mueller has focused mostly on americans and pipe l involved in the trump campaign which makes sense. when it comes to foreigners, one of the people he has interviewed was this shame person we showed caught on tape in this video, "the new york times" noting earlier this year, investigators stopped vekselberg at an airport
when when he was flying on a private jet. he investigated him twice as it comes to cohen. this is a bigger part of the russian collusion probe than was initially understood. >> that is absolutely right. what we need for a conspiracy, which is essentially what we'd be talking about, is an agreement between more than one person. trump would have to have some knowledge and connection to it, but he wouldn't have had to take any direct action personally necessarily if he knew about it, he knew about the criminal intent if there was criminal intent. and so this is some of the things that put us much more closely in that circle of potential conspiracy, which really is the brass ring for mueller. >> the brass ring. howard dean, that's a lot of the law. there is also the politics, which is the extraordinary way that the republican national committee is keeping cohen on board. take a look at this new today.
>> michael cohen last time we spoke, you told me he was still working as a deputy finance chair for the rnc. is that still the case? >> it is still the case, you know, there is ongoing litigation and we'll take it step-by-step, but yes, he is still. >> howard? >> this is very dangerous. trump is really infected the entire republican party with his swamp. he is the swamp and he has brought the swamp to washington. the thing that is astonishing about it is how uncareful he is. mueller is following the money around. when you follow the money around, if this russian oligarch who is close to putin gave $500,000 to cohen and cohen used it to for trump's benefit, that's obstruction of justice. i think the rnc is now at risk of being charged with obstruction of justice for hiring cohen in what most likely is a no show job to keep his head above water expense wise while he gets investigated.
these guys, you know, we're all talking about this really confusing stuff for the general public on television. mueller has a paper trail which shows a hell of a lot of money being laundered. i've got to believe this is really dangerous for the republican party. >> right. and the fact that maybe the republican party feels they are in deep enough that it looks bad to get cohen out because it's a kind of an admission. but keeping him in also obviously looks bad. i want you both to stay with me. i want to a add clarence page, chicago tribune columnist and one of or experts. clarence, there is payola and pay to play and actual chargeable corruption. how is this playing in washington, a town that does have low standards, but still? >> well, if i can paraphrase the president, who knew that collusion charges could be so complicated? and we are seeing tentacles going out in different directions. we knew mr. trump and his family were very much involved with russian financiers, but what we're learning is how many different branches there are
here. and also michael cohen's central role in connecting parts of the money flow. what we don't know is how much the president knew and when did he know it. if i can borrow a watergate period phrase. but that may be the central question that we're really poking at here. meanwhile we see as we move up the ladder people like michael cohen are putting themselves in some complex jeopardy here. >> andrew entrader who wiley was mentioning as one of the people who basically carries out what this russian billionaire wants to have happen oddly telling "the new york times" what it was like visiting michael cohen during that period. i remember walking in and seeing lots of boxes because michael was packing up his office and looking forward to hanging out his own shingle, mr. entrader said. clarence, what do you make of that? or do they just not care? so after they throw their money around and engage in whatever various levels of pseudocollusion or not, they'll
just talk to american media about it? >> cohen certainly did have quite a building -- a growing empire there of connections. we're learning more all the time here, and he was operating right out of trump tower in addition. so, it does look like it's certainly part of the trump empire, but what we really haven't established is how firm the connections are and how much the president knew at that time as he was becoming president. >> howard dean, does any of this stick to the president politically? because even if it's not all the bases for charges, it's literally a lot of the things he accused hillary clinton of, or is this such a hyper polarized environment and the russia probe has a legal environment we try to cover in a legal way but it's politically viewed as a prism out there? >> it very much sticks to the president. i'll give you a fascinating example. national public radio had an example talking about the schism
between the catholics and the evangelicals. evangelicals are all-in with trump regardless of his a morality. catholics are not. the bishop is upset about his policies, policies towards poor people. the morality of trump has infected his support. you know, he was helped by a lot of working class people many of whom were catholic. he's going to get a much smaller percentage of the catholic vote in 2018 and 2020. as a result, i think the bishop's disgust with this kind of behavior. >> clarence? >> well, you know, i have covered chicago politics for a lot of years. just fascinated by the connell pl -- complexities of the corruption. also how many chicago citizens under mayor daly supported the mayor as long as he got the garbage cans picked up and the snow from the streets. this is how trump supporters are judging him now. they're looking at the possible impact on their lives. >> is that instead of like
clearing the garbage, it's pressuring the nfl in anti-speech policy, is that the proverbial garbage in this analogy? >> i remember the watergate scandal, most folks in the midwest didn't know about the complexities of it until nixon resigned. everybody said oh, this was serious, wasn't it? then began to figure out why the president resigned. that's where we are right now with this new series of scandals as they come out. they are complicated and folks wonder where is all this going to end. in the meantime, trump and his supporters are playing on the public's i am patience saying mueller has been at this too long and he needs to stop. well, that's just not going to happen, but i think we are going to have to try to pay attention here to these complexities. >> and i think complexity, although it's a fair point from our panel i felts here, i think complexity can become a dodge. if you're selling out the government for personal benefit, the way you do it might be
complex because you might be a sneaky lawyer. >> right. >> that's fine. i think people understand what it means to sell out. >> the story is fairly straightforward. the facts necessary to prove it are the complicated parts. so, if it's pretty -- remember that one of the things that happened in watergate is there was a smoking gun. it was the tapes. >> right. >> and that really -- wasn't really the obstruction of justice charges that really got nixon, it was the fact that he was on tape clearly engaging in a criminal -- with criminal intent, right? and i think part of the complexity here is going back to what clarence is saying is where and how are we going to get information about trump's direct connection to what millueller i investigating. the point is there is so much that points to it. if we have donald trump, jr., actively saying, i want those e-mails that might implicate hillary clinton, and then trump -- part of his obstruction is he's not just -- he's not
just saying, oh, i'm going to fire comey. he's actually changing the story about why certain -- about why he was even meeting with the russian attorney in june in trump tower. and so when we put all the pieces together, the story seems pretty straightforward. there is so much lying going on. trump himself has been lying actively and aggressively in ways that are public record right now. for the public the question is why lie? if he didn't do anything wrong, why lie? and how are we going to believe that you -- your son was doing something, you didn't know he was doing, when your actual campaign was primarily led by your family? so, i think those parts of the story are fairly clear. i don't think the american public as we've seen from the most recent polling believes donald trump tells the truth. we only 13% of americans believe that he tells the truth. i think over time this really starts to erode politically for the republicans. and i think the problem for our
country is we have to be very careful how far we let it go because we have institutions of government that need to work, that we need to protect if we're going to have a democratic process. >> as we often say, when maya wiley finishes a break down, i think you put it very well. stay with me. i have something else to ask you about, howard dean and clarence page, thank you. we're going to turn immediately right now to another important story and the journalist who helped start it all. new york authorities cuffed and charged harvey weinstein today. i'm about to speak with megan twoey, she broke the story in october. let me explain the legal news. weinstein charged with three counts of rape and sexual assault. he turned him self in today. he was booked, charged and led out in handcuffs. he did not take questions. >> anything to say? >> in side the courtroom, meanwhile, prosecutors laying out in general terms the case they will later have to prove in
detail. the judge ensuring defendant weinstein also understood his bail agreement. >> this defendant used his position, money and power to lure young women into situations where he was able to violate them sexually. >> -- you're subject to arrest. do you understand that? >> yes. >> all right. >> over 90 women have publicly accused weinstein of various kinds of assault. today's charges stem from just two of them for two counts of rape and one count of first degree sexual assault. the state alleging he held one woman against her will, and forcibly had sexual intercourse with her and she did not consent and grabbed the woman to physically force her into oral sex. take a look at this. new york's attorney general resigning recently because of his own assault allegations. that's the context for what women are facing in new york. it was a different prosecutor, the manhattan d.a. who also initially took a lot of heat for
not dealing with this case and charging weinstein originally in 2015. weinstein's lawyer, though, previewed a defense today that tries to cast weinstein as a purveyor of bad behavior on the, quote, casting couch, but not a criminal. >> my job is not to defend behavior. my job is to defend something that is criminal behavior. bad behavior, mr. weinstein did not invent the casting couch in hollywood. and to the extent that there is bad behavior in that industry, that is not what this is about. bad behavior is not on trial in this case. it's only if you intentionally committed a criminal act and mr. weinstein vigorously denies that. >> weinstein's accusers had a different message today. >> this is a big strike into the heart of abuse of power. and this shows people worldwide, which is what i was hoping the whole time, that this cannot and
will not stand. >> megan tooey, that investigative reporter, joins me now. when you worked on this story and published it in october, did you expect this to happen today? >> i did not. i did not. when my reporting partner jody and i began our investigation and basically the spring of 2017, we were constantly looking into the eyes of victims who were just terrified to come forward and go on the record. and i don't think that anybody from the victims through -- up through us the reporters ever expected that we'd see harvey weinstein today in handcuffs in court. >> when you talked to them, what did your reporting suggest they were most afraid of? harvey weinstein is someone who has relationships with the current president, donald trump. he had relationships with the clintons and throwing his money around. he has relationships with media moguls, business elites, political elites. he employed private security.
what scared them the most? >> i think few people understood the various levels of protection that he had built around him over the years. the kind of complicity machine that helped him cover up his pattern of misconduct. over the recent months we realized there were high-powered lawyers who came in to help him pay hush money to women who made claims against him over the years. there were, in fact, these private investigators who were dispatched to dig up dirt on the accusers and also on the reporters who were hot on his trail. and, yeah, he absolutely did have relationships with people in the media industry that instead of covering him were basically also helping to protect him. and so for all of these reasons, he had really year after year, decade after decade appeared as untouchable. that he would, because of all of his celebrity and power, never go down, and that it would be the women who would suffer damage to their careers if they spoke out. >> the n.y.p.d. was on this. there was this leaked sting
audio recording which came out in the same period when you were doing this reporting. let's take a listen to that now. >> you touched my breast. >> please, i'm sorry, just come on in. i'm used to that. >> you're used to that? >> no, but i'm not used to that. >> i won't do it again. come on, sit here. sit here for a minute, please? >> no, i don't want to. >> if you do this now -- now go. never call me again. okay? i'm sorry, i promise you i won't do anything -- >> i know, but yesterday was too much for me. >> i will never do another thing to you. five minutes. don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes. >> i know -- but it's kind of like it's too much for me. >> please, you're making a big scene here. >> no, but i want to leave. >> okay, bye. >> what do you hear on that recording and what does it tell you about the investigative process? >> so, the district attorney's office that brought charges against weinstein today and
these two cases that are completely separate from that, you know, also in 2015 was brought a case, a criminal case by the cops. there was a woman who had met an italian model who had gone to weinstein's office for a business meeting. and within hours went and reported to the police that she had been groped by him, that he tried to sexually abuse her. she wore that wire. she got what by many sort of interpretations sounds like a confession. and yet the district attorney's office didn't bring charges. and so the office has come under a lot of criticism for that, especially in recent months when all of these other allegations have come out against him. and so i think that the office was under intense pressure to make sure that it did its job this time around. >> megan twoey who has literally been part of the story since you broke it, thanks for coming on the beat tonight. >> my pleasure. >> ahead we have former vogue editor at large, fall back friday, which should be good. first you may have noticed if
you're on the internet roger stone has been repeatedly attacking me personally in my reporting. i'm not going to respond to the personal part, but we do have a very special report about stone e-mails and why his wikileaks contacts are under even more scrutiny. also his associate is telling all he just met with adam schiff investigators. and we're back in 60 seconds. for all the noses that stuff up around pets. there's flonase sensimist. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist. ♪ he eats a bowl of hammers at every meal ♪ ♪ he holds your house in the palm of his hand ♪ ♪ he's your home and auto man
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americans to interview assange, he broke his silence about all this on an interview with the beat alleging stone was a liar and giving new reports that impacts stone's role in the mueller probe. he's back with me tonight. whatever one thinks of the players in this drama, here's why it matters. the new e-mails may shed light on where mueller's headed. tackling the question whether roger stone just hyped his wikileaks contacts but never came close to a crime, or whether stone ever took actions that could implicate him in an election conspiracy. one of the newly leaked he have males show the two discussing a future batch of clinton e-mails and could not ask assange for favors every other day. a former clinton aide hacked with e-mails with this message, i. am. fill. with. rage. the e-mails show he was wearing a wire for mueller and he proclaimed he would not comply with investigators.
>> hillary clinton's two aides invoked the 5 th amendment. were they lying last year? so i invoked it because i do not want to sit down with that committee. i do not believe in that committee. i am not happy with adam schiff. >> that was a big claim, but like some other witnesses who threatened not to testify, we can report tonight he did back down partially. he did talk to congressman adam schiff's staff this wednesday and he joins us for his first interview since then for this exclusive. randy, thanks for being here. >> always a thrill to be in the hot seat on "the beat." >> you weren't going to talk to schiff but you did wednesday. why did you change and what did you discuss? >> well, i ran across him at the white house correspondents dinner. we had a nice little exchange talking about pasadena where he's from and i'm from, pomona, actually. why don't we talk? i said we'll have an informal talk off the record. i'm not going to go in front of a stenographer or one of your lawyers and write everything down. he says, fine.
they set it up. i went down there last wednesday. they have an informal off-the-record discussion. some background stuff because as you know, this entire affair has totally destroyed my life in so many ways. >> what did they want to know? >> well, they wanted to know everything that you wanted to know. they wanted to know if i was -- so i said, hey, look -- >> they wanted to know about the role you played between roger stone and assange? >> yes. and here's what i said to them. you're wasting your time chasing rain bows on roger stone. stop giving him so much attention. he thrives off of this. i understand the story, but it's very misleading. the eight e-mails that lead into it miss halladay omitted. >> let's go into it. >> i sent you them today because i'm not ashamed of this. >> there is one that says please ask assange for any state or hrc e-mail from august 10th to august 30th with roger stone saying, why do we assume wikileaks has released everything they have?
what does that say -- >> you're leaving out the very first e-mail -- >> what does it say to you? >> he sent me an e-mail about a guy named dr. paul who met with somebody in libya that had something to do with hillary clinton. i looked at it. he wanted me to put somebody on the show. i said, i'll put someone on the show. i'll look at it. then he says, no, you have to confirm it first. i said, well, assange might be on my show. look at wikileaks's website and see if it's there. >> the reason this is of investigative interest is whether roger was hyping when he said he was using it to get to assange or whether there was something that going on. these e-mails make it look like you two are discussing specific e-mails at specific times. >> that's right. >> from assange. >> i understand how it looks. that was my first conversation with roger stone about julian assange. when did it come? september 18th or something like that, right? >> september 18, 2016. >> the previous three months we had no discussion, no discussion on julian assange. or wikileaks. >> you maintain, i want to be clear, you just spoke to adam
schiff's people. you maintain roger was hyping or -- >> yes. >> now we'll go to part two. >> he wanted me to get this to julian assange. >> we're going to part two which is what people do during an investigation, which as we've noted on this program can be stressful. >> i'm not stressed at all. i feel great. >> you feel good, great. >> i feel safe here. >> i'm going to read to you something that roger stone allegedly said to you. quote, i'm going to take that dog away from you. nothing you can do about it, i'm pa paraphrasing. i'm going to prove to the world you're a liar. is stoenl trying to threaten you so you'll change your account of his activities in 2016 is this >> i think he didn't like me being on your show the first time. why didn't he -- he's the one that sent that e-mail, by the way, to halladay. i sent the previous eight e-mails. he's afraid i'm going to unload on him. >> why is he bringing your dog who we have on the screen, why is he bringing your dog into this? >> because he's a sick man. he is delusional. >> let me bring in attorney maya
wiley who often joins us for this part of the program. >> i know. >> the witness discussion part. maya, take a listen to roger stone who said something unusual for him and con mee"meet the pr" take a listen. >> he may seek to conjure up some extraneous crime pertaining to my business, maybe not pertaining to the 2016 election. >> how do you make sense of what roger stone is doing and saying and what mr. critico is saying after speaking to house investigators which he believes stone is trying to pressure him? >> well, i certainly think if stone is threatening to steal his doing, that's obviously some form of communication of aggression. >> yes. >> i think it's very clear that roger stone has made several statements that seem to be contradicted by the e-mails that he sent and that may get him in trouble in terms of perjury. for instance, he has said
publicly that he didn't have advance knowledge of the hacks. then we have sam nunberg and another unnamed source saying he did. but then he also constantly stated that he was only trying to confirm the existence of e-mails, not that he -- and never suggested he was specifically seeking specific types of e-mails. and what this exchange seems to indicate is that he actually was looking for particular information. >> so you're saying from an investigative view, the particularity that is revealed here could be bad for stone? >> correct. and add to that that, remember that donald trump during the campaign was saying that he did not support the attacks in libya and going after muammar gaddafi. hillary clinton said that's a lie, you made these stamtsz. there was a tug of war going on about the position of hillary clinton in libya and then we have this period in which he's actually trying to seek e-mails related to libya from a
particular period of time in august 2011. so, you have to wonder, are there conversations happening? >> what else is filling out that picture. >> exactly. why is he looking for that. >> i want to ask another thing. i mean no disrespect in this. i always try to treat everyone fairly. but, maya, what do you think -- you'll get a chance to respond -- the pattern of some of these individuals in orbit of investigative interest or at least the congressional committee wants to speak to and some of them initially make a big showing of they will not speak or comply and then they end up doing so? >> well, look, i think it's very hard not to comply with a subpoena because you put yourself in legal jeopardy if you don't. i think they also -- what initially happens is people don't want to. they say they don't want to. it's understandable. it's scary. and then at a certain point start to see that there may be some benefit to actually cooperating rather than fighting. >> okay. the reason why i went down there, i went there for specific
reason. i went down there to ask him if you want to get to the bottom of all this, then go to london. i had gone there with a mandate from assange to mr. schiff to go there and interview him. i got the okay from assange for him to do that. >> wait, what you have julian assange willing to speak to adam schiff's committee? >> yes. he told me -- >> to talk to schiff -- when did he tell you that? >> just before i went down there. it was a secret mission. that's the reason i went there. i didn't go there to testify. >> when, before wednesday? >> yes, yes. >> why does assange in your view want to speak -- >> because he can clear it all up. he's ready to talk to adam schiff. if he wants to go over there, he's waiting for him. >> this is what we do call burying the lead because we've been speaking to you a little bit earlier today about your interview. this is news to me. if that's the case, did adam schiff's people seem interested in doing that interview in >> he said it's well noted. and then i gave him some general stuff. i didn't give him a lot of information, just some background on roger stone's character, his personality, his megalow mania mind-set and i
said forget about stone, forget about me, just jump to the chase and see assange. he will see you. i got the permission -- >> why? why does julian assange -- >> i kept that quiet. >> why does julian assange want to do that? >> well, he's ready to show that there is no collusion. me, stone, he's willing to sit down with schiff and be interviewed. >> does he have any other material that hasn't been released that would support his side of this? >> i think so. i think that -- >> what kind of material would that be? >> well, i don't know because he doesn't give up the sources, he doesn't give out information. he doesn't telegraph stuff. >> he doesn't talk to a lot of people. he talks to you repeatedly. >> i was able, i can tell you there was communication between me and him, and they said, let's go with this. i asked schiff, his staff and they said it's noted and we'll see what happens. >> did you tell roger stone is willing to talk to adam schiff? >> no, i didn't tell -- >> so you guys are not
coordinated -- >> we are not talking roger stone and i. that thing about my dog is mild to the kind of harassment i've received from roger stone over the last couple of weeks. >> maya wiley, what do you make of this additional statement by him that assange now is claiming he would be willing to speak to adam schiff's investigators? >> i'm shocked because i can't imagine julian assange who has -- remember that he is in the embassy, the ecuadorian embassy because he's worried about extradition. he's now been pressured out of the embassy. they disconnected him from the internet. this is something that has been of concern to him, being forced to leave. he does not want to be extradited to the united states. and if, in fact, there is an investigation around a conspiracy to defraud the united states, julian assange may well be considered a coconspirator -- or at least they target -- >> it would be averse to his
interest and he seems to be very thoughtful about a lot of these issues that is to say he understands how it works. my last question to you, then, is it possible he is just trolling you? >> no, no, i have a very solid communications and he and people around him want to set this up. and it's been put on the plate and it's up to mr. schiff. if he's serious, if he's serious, he will go. he's got the credibility. nixon went to china. if the president is going to meet with the north korean president, certainly schiff has a credibility and the chops to go over there and meet with mr. assange. >> well, mr. cretico, you know people who know people and you could have been anywhere in the world tonight and you're here with us. >> i broke it on your show. >> maya as well. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. thank you. much happening, but we have a lot more. what's trump really trying to do when he undermines the free press? we look at the archives on the back story. >> do this interview with somebody else. >> we talked about this
yesterday on the phone. >> do the interview with somebody else. >> also tonight, alec baldwin with a big clue about the future of this. >> oh, my god. i'm already so board. -- bored. roseanne, how great is that show. roseanne loves me. she's like a good rosie o'donnell. >> but up next, an icon andre leon tally joins me, he revolutionized fashion. another icon howell rains for a special fall back friday. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat." stay with us. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. as one of the nation's largest investors in infrastructure, we don't just help power the american dream, we're part of it. this is our era.
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sure. mom,what's up son?alk? i can't be your it guy anymore. what? you guys have xfinity. you can do this. what's a good wifi password, mom? you still have to visit us. i will. no. make that the password: "you_stillóhave_toóvisit_us." that's a good one. [ chuckles ] download the xfinity my account app and set a password you can easily remember. one more way comcast is working to fit into your life, not the other way around. it's friday on "the beat" so you know what that means. it's time to fall back. we are not playing. we have the distinguished andre leon tally, editor at large for vogue magazine. he says he's one of the most famous people in the fashion world.
>> i would come to see the sport in a pair of shorts and tennis shirt. i go with my trousers, ralph lauren for the shirt. this is my version of the tennis watch. it's all part of the whole life of being who i am. i have to get out there and approach life with my own esthetics about style. >> he's worked with renowned icons as anna wintour, he's the subject of a new documentary, the subject according to him. it covers his life in the upbringing of the jim crow south to the top of vogue. >> i didn't know exactly who i was. i was becoming. but i did get out of the jim crow south. >> people's hands went -- just exploded because he was so many things he wasn't supposed to be. >> he became part of the landscape of new york. >> you don't get up and say, look, a black man, you do it. it impacts the culture. >> you just do t. here's another man, executive editor of "the new york times," author of
several books, fly fishing through the mid-life crisis and his 1992 essay, about a child in alabama. won a little something called a pulitzer prize. gentlemen, you honor us with your presence. we have two icons at the table. >> it is an honor to be with you, ari. >> it's an honor to be with you. >> it's an honor to be with you. >> an escape. can i say before we get started, you guys look good together. >> we do, we do. we complement each other. i think we do. >> andre? >> yes. >> who needs to fall back? >> who needs to fall back to all the people bashing kanye west? i think kanye west is going through a very difficult moment in his life when he has embraced the man in the white house and embraced statements that are really not attune to what people really feel, particularly the african-american people of this country, about slavery. and i think instead of bashing him and saying he's mentally ill, people need to support him, and reach out, snoop dogg
reached out on the view yesterday. they need to reach out and have conversations with him. he can call me on the phone. i've had conversations with kanye west at 6:00 a.m. in the morning that was back in the day before he got mayored. please call me, kanye, and we should pray for him and support him. >> what is he look early in the morning? >> he's looking for ideas. >> aren't we all? >> he's looking for ideas. and he graces you, it's me, kanye. and then you have to talk. and then he hangs up. but that's okay, too. >> when he calls you -- i didn't know he calls you in the early morning. >> he always called me before he got married to kim. once he got married to kim i never heard him again. >> would you say to him in the morning, wake up, mr. west, mr. west, by himself he's so impressed? >> mr. west, mr. west, think about what you're saying. words matter. words matter. words do matter and this is going to follow you and your children are going to grow up. wake up. we love you brother, we're praying for you. he needs to listen to cornell
west and ta-nehisi coats. it's a brilliant piece. >> do words matter? >> they do. i want to fall back on my moment of escapee. i am a return ee to alabama where i live -- >> hold on a minute. are you doing a self-fall back from two minutes ago? >> i don't want my alabama passport to be -- i love my home state, in part, for its flaws and for its wonderful history. now, i'm also going to dabble with the rules of fall back in this regard. i'm going to talk about a man who was thrown back. vick cunningham has fallen back because the voters of dallas defeated him by 25 votes. this is a man who has held public office. he's known for using the n-word habitually. his brother, his gay brother bill was campaigning against him along with bill's black husband.
vic cunningham's son said he was not coming to his father's house for dinner unless he could bring his vietnamese girlfriend, which brings us to one of my favorite subjects, paul taylor, the good veteran political writer for the washington post says demographics is destiny. and this is a crystal snapshot of the changing state of texas, which i think is in a race with georgia to be the first southern state to go blue in the 2020, possibly as early as the 2020 election. and this also points out a demographic feature that's common throughout the south and southwest, and that is the south that's inhabited by people over 40 of both races is very different from the south that is inhabited by people under 40. >> how does that compare to your experience? because in reading the profile of you and the documentary, you
obviously decided to transcend a lot of what you were up against. >> well, i knew i had to get out of there. i knew i had to get some way out of the south. i was destined to be a teacher at a school, a public school or private school and i would have never left the south. once i got out of the south and i went to brown, then i came to new york and i met the great, great andy worhol, don't go back at christmas. i would have taken a safe secure job and never gone back. i love the south. >> what did andy worhol see in you and what did that make you see in your snefl >> he supported me. he would say, oh, gee, you can be anything you want. that's so great, andre. >> he didn't support every person you met? >> something was in me when i came and i was hungry to impress. but i did it in a very subtle way as the great writer vanessa freidman said -- >> all i'm getting from you is
subtle. >> this is casual. if i were going somewhere, this would be more ceremonial than this. >> this is the most met gala the beat has ever looked. >> this is not met gala. this is casual. this is everyday drag. brocade, ceremonial brocade. >> look, i'm a thompson. we don't do casual. >> i do know that you had one other idea for a fall back i wanted to ask you. >> i think the nfl, the rule that's going to be great push back on it, and the athletes are heroes and those men have every right to stand up or to stand down, to go down with dignity on one knee. they are representing cause, pain that is inflicted on people in this country without people knowing this pain. it is simply a symbolic gesture and i think the man in the white house has single handedly influenced the nfl, the money people, the -- >> they're kneeling to him.
>> they're kneeling to money, to the money. and i think it will be a big backlash and history will be made with complete and unapologetic protests in the locker room and on the field. >> my fallback akin to this one is with the world tennis association, the french tennis association which de-ranked the greatest tennis player of all time because she had a baby and they regard that as tantamount to an athletic injury. >> that is extraordinary. it's outrageous, just outrageous. she is the greatest athlete that ever existed in our time. >> can we do this again with both of you? >> i would love to come back. >> you know there is a saying, hal, you're just an icon living and both of you are icons and this is a great fall back. thank you. >> so much fun. we have more, though. donald trump admits why he undermines the free press.
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we do know president trump's attacks on the free press aren't a bug, they are a feature of his political identity. leslie stahl, of course, from 60 minutes, telling a story about an off-camera interaction with trump that explains a lot. >> at one point he started to attack the press and i said, you know, that is getting tired. why are you doing this? you're doing it over and over and it's boring and it's time to end that. you know, you've won the nomination. and why do you keep hammering at this? and he said, you know why i do it? i do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you. >> you might say he's a quick study in politics. it's important when you understand when you look through the archives, this is not just political trump.
this is something he has been doing, attacking the media for decades. >> when people say something false, i attack those people. the news gets away with murder. the news media. they get away with murder. i don't stand for it when they write false and malicious stories. forbes has been after me for years. they're saying the plaza hotel isn't worth what it's worth. it's a hatchet job. >> it's a strategy that can work, but it's borne of a kind of emotional weakness. a new documentary from netflix showcases trump's thin skin. >> the ones who said negative things -- >> here we are. back to the negative. >> back to the negative. >> you know what, do this interview with somebody else. >> we talked about this yesterday on the phone. >> do the interview with somebody else. >> there's nothing we didn't discuss on the phone, donald. >> do it with somebody else. now since taking office trump has tweet ed about fake news almost 200 times. that's more than russia, isis, kim jong-un or putin which gives you some sense of his personal
prierlts. but at a deeper level donald trump obviously needs the media. he was literally a media professional as an nbc entertainer. and he used to pretend to be his own spokesman to try to get the coverage he craved. >> what's your name again? >> john miller. >> and you work with -- >> yes, that's correct. he treats everybody we will. you know -- >> i have met him. >> you have met him? >> yes. >> he's a good guy. doesn't hurt anybody. total nonsense. >> have you met him? it's me. you have to have a certain kind of philosophy to pull that off. trump does, of course, cite the same media for things he agrees with, but it's never been about truth even before he was in politics. it's about control and we should all keep that in mind as he attacks the free press. now, that's not all tonight. there is something very interesting going on over at snl and it involves our politics and alec baldwin's impression. that's next.
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snl may need a new trump. we last saw alec baldwin's version of trump when he was on his case as mueller. here's what bald rinwin is sayi today. >> it does crash every weekend you have with your kids, and the -- you know, i enjoy doing it, but what's going to happen in the future, i don't know where i'm going to be. >> who knows what's going to happen. if i do it again or don't do it again. >> if you, if you -- >> they should get somebody who can do it all the time. >> someone else who could do it
all the time. sounds like he might be ready to retire his trump. >> this is michael cohen. are you alone? >> yes. >> and what are you wearing? >> excuse me? >> it is such an honor, thank you for taking time-out of your busy schedule. >> yes, i'm so busy. if you're wondering why i'm so out of breath it's because i'm doing my p-90 x morning exercises right now. right now i'm getting my daily intelligence briefing. >> oh, from who? >> from you guys. >> can i have my desk back? >> yes, of course, mr. president, i'll go sit at my desk. >> can't deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition. number two, no lifetime limits which, you know, it is a big deal if you have serious health problems. and number three -- sorry. >> vladimir, i'm sorry, i didn't
know you were coming so i do not have a gift for you. >> please, mr. trump, you are the gift. >> and alec baldwin has been a gift for many during these times. we'll see what he ultimately decides. i'll be back here monday night 6:00 p.m. ♪ erin was like my heart. all these years i was searching for her. all of a sudden, i realized, what's going on? why are they late? something definitely was wrong. he said, your family was in an accident. and my whole world just dropped out from underneath me. >> the scene told the story. >> what did you find? >> something i don't want to see again. >> a deadly crash on a dark road, two gone, one barely alive. a tragic accident.