tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC May 29, 2018 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
there's now a new governor of missouri as of friday. we obviously have seen the latest and we've heard from valerie garrett what's going on next and we're all with a itsing president trump. a lot of people hoping he does not pour gasoline on a fire that could go ablaze any moment. that's all we have tonight. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. our top story is about that gasoline and about why words matter. how casual racism can swiftly be punished in 2018 and why even in the trump era it is not always safe out here for trumpism. today began with roseanne bar who is of course in charge of top rated sit come, a reboot of getting away with or even being rewarded for her many offensive tirades. tonight something different. the day wrapping up with rows anne" writing herself back into history literally. her show is now history again. canceled for her racist attack on former obama adviser gallery
jarret. her long running attempts to throw out vitriol and say it's a joke, that's history too. you can see here her original tweet likening valerie jarrett to the baby of the planet of the apes and her bad joke apology five hours later. abc did not cancel rose ann" today because they learned about what she stands for. the corporaonas long known whathe stands for. c canceled rose ann" today because it had to. note, we're -- while rose ann may have wrongly and narrowly viewed ms. jarrett through a racial lens. jarrett emphasizes she has more power than many other people in this country. she has more defenders and more friends and more followers so that while racism is always, of course, wrong whether it's casual or formal or systematic
or offered as some sort of quote, bad joke. she's actually more concerned about the insidious and damaging impact of this kind of racism on so many other people living through all of this right now. >> i think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. i'm fine. i'm worried about all the people out there who don't have a circle of friends and followers who come right to their defense. the person who's walking down a street minding their own business and they see somebody cling to their purse or want to cross the street or every black parent i know who has a boy who has to sit down and have a conversation, the talk, as we call it and as you say, those ordinary, examples of racism that happen every single day and i think that's why i'm so glad to be here this evening talking with all of you. >> to be here this evening, she's referencing this discussion of civil right and race relations with joy reid and chris hayes that airs tonight. it could not, of course, have been specifically timed for this
latest umbridge but it's a sour if obvious thing to note that just about any week there would be something to discuss. consider that just this month the nfl has barred its players from kneeling on the field to protest racist police brutality. the two african-american men were arrested as a starbucks in philadelphia while waiting inside for a friend, an employee called the police and we know what happened after that that this month we also saw the release of such familiar body cam footage showing the arrest and this time the tasing of an nba player sterling brown. this was after he was walking out of a drugstore, apparently peacefully, the mayor condemning his own police in that incident or consider that this year alone at least nine unarmed african-american men have already been killed by a police. that's a wider context as these comments reverberate. i am joined by the reverend al sharpton and was with ms. jarrett earlier today. chuck nice who's guest hosted
the view. reverend sharpton, i wonder if you can begin by talking to us and educating us about the point that valerie jarrett made because she was asked about racist comments about her but she broadened it immediately to what she called the talk, the fact that people in this country who happen to be black live and operate in fear of being killed for no reason, that this casual racism if we want to call it that, these rose anne tweets exist in a much more harrowing context. if you could start there and tell us whatever else you want about what you saw today being out there. >> well, i think that what ms. jarrett was raising is that when she was attacked in very racial terms compared to an ape. we're back to blacks being monkeys, many of us came out right away, certainly i did and others saying that abc had to deal with it, but what she was
saying is, what about ordinary, average unknown blacks that have to go through this every day. all people of other races or persuasions meaning religious beliefs or whatever and that we've got to deal with this as a systematic problem that is not held accountable. and i think that's part of the town hall meeting that chris and joy and i and ms. jarrett were part of -- apart of here in philadelphia that will air tonight is that this is an everyday thing but the danger of what we saw with rose ann is the normalizing of it as a high level. rose ann is not a comedian in a nightclub. she is a number one television artist. she is a defender of this president and one of the things i think we need to understand is we knew that racism hadn't gone anywhere, but it's been emboldened by a president that
built his career, which in itself was race base and has given these dog whistles that empower someone like rose anne but reality set in because abc cannot do business and continue to have somebody like that as their lead show. >> did we learn anything new about rose anne today or did she just finally get caught in a situation where the company had to go a different direction which is to say were they profiting off this for as long as they could happily and then today they just realized they couldn't? >> i don't think we learned anything newroseanne. i think we learned something new about ourself and that is if we resist in an affirmative and aggressive, we can make things become enforced in terms of stopping this and i think that what abc and all the politics going on there, with their sale and merger and this and that, they could not afford even
though she's a highly rated show when they saw a buildup of resistance. wanda sykes quit the show who was one of the contributing consultants, a real act of her rowism by wanda sykes. as this thing began to build up, you think that they understood that you may duck all you want, you can't duck your consumers and we learned our power if we resist. we didn't learn anything newros >> you should listen more to valerie jarrett's response to this. >> tone does start at the top and we like to look up to our president and feel as though reflects the values of our country but i also think every individual citizen has a responsibility too and it's up to all of us to push back. our government is only good as we make it be and as the reverend always taught me, people on the inside have to push hard and people on the outside have to listen. >> this is a trump story. >> this is absolutely a trump
story. i tried to have empathy for a lot of the trump supporters f the lks that rose ananne thinks she represents at the end of the day i don't believe that working class people and that all white working class people have the same racist bigoted views they do and valerie is right. we need those people to step up and say whoa, i appreciate you reflecting part of my economic experience back at me, but i'm not a bigot or racist and they need to be the ones that we hear from on twitter coming for the president and coming for rose an roseanne and that's the bigger conversation. that show, that revival shouldn't have happened in the first place. we knew who she was. we always knew who she was and the fact that the dollars mattered a lot more than character is something i hope is changing just generally. that consumers are no longer investing in and supporting people who just are nasty like jerks. >> so, chuck, first of all, as the comedian on the panel i'm very interested how you make it
funny on a night like tonight. >> and here's a joke about it -- >> that's your cross to bear. >> is that my cross to bear? >> that's your cross to bear but because you bring an experience within the entertainment, i want to ask you about that. to build on reverend sharpton's point, part of what donald trump found going into the election in 2016 was that the market for racist bertherism was underserved, that john mccain, whatever you think of his politics, when he was running and a woman stood up in his rally saying he's from kenya, when his political future mattered said no, we don't do that. trump saw that and saw a market and boy was a bigger market than some people wanted to admit. abc saw that market and they said, you know what? to your point we're going to go for that and today they had to back off, but how do you as an entertainer see an environment
where if there is a market that traffics in that, it's going to get served when its profitable until shame overrides profit? >> there's no shame in the entertainment game, period. that's all there is to it. >> is this -- are you saying there's no shame in the game? >> reverend, did you know there's no shame in the game? >> i think we just discovered something. >> it's a news flash to me. it's a news flash to me. >> seriously, here's the thing. the president is a reflection of the country. unfortunately, what we don't want to do is look in that mirror. so when you look at amica, the president represents a very significant part of this coury that is indeed racist, that is indeed bigoted, that is indeed hateful. now, here's the problem, you can't apologize for being that, okay. you apologize for stepping on somebody's foot because you're genuinely sorry and you move on.
you can't apologize for being a bigoted. you have to repent. what has to happen in america is we have to have a repentance when it comes to the bigotry and hatred that is pervasive in our society. >> so reverend, we're talking about repentance, we'll go from the comedian to the reverend. there is a sort of tequila theory of donald trump that the country has all this tequila through the election, wakes up, says, okay, that happened and then did the tequila reveal who we really are or did it make us go further and farther and somehow be worse than we are because sometimes it can reveal truth and sometimes it can make you behave worse and america, and i'll say it because tonight's the night to talk about it, white america needs to look at this and say, yeah, if you voted for trump because you're pro-life and hillary was pro-choice and that's often the dividing line, then fine. you can explain that, you feel
that way. if you did traffic trump and you want to compare human beings to ape we need to repent and deal with that before we go forward. >> i think that what we have seen is that a lot of this was there, some was just latent and became worse because you've got to remember now that you have the premature of the oval office sanctioning these kinds of dog whistles or outright blatant islamaphobia, racism and this question of misogyny. he violated every one of these and was elected president and stands there in the oval office and goes in the residence of the white house tweeting this stuff. it makes people underage, worse. it makes people that are already there feel emboldened and those of us that are opposed to this kind of bigotry, who are i believe a majority of the
country, don't forget we made progress. we didn't get everything we wanted, but we made progress. i think the majority starts looking like we're marginal rather than mainstream and i think what we saw today is people said to abc, we're the mainstream and we're not going to tolerate this and we got to demonstrate it at the polls and demonstrate it with our pocket books. >> there is power to that because the headline tonight is major company taking a financial hit for what they can no longer defend. rose aann was gangbusters as a network reboot. take a listen that donald trump has been all in this for a while. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapist, a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our countries representatives can figure out
what the hell is going on. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. you also had people that were very fine people on both sides, you had people in that group -- excuse me -- >> i want to meet that african-american. >> that one. >> that one guy. look at my african-american. i'm just sayin'. here's the thing. those aren't dog whistles, what he did was, he turned the dog whistle into a public address system and he screamed it loud and he screamed it clear and you heard the cheers of the people who actually agree with that and you know, part of that is why the reason that he's president. but the cool thing is, thank god it's happened. it's out. it's out. it's out. okay? it's, like, america's out of the closet right now. the whole world is looking at us right now. we are the drunk uncle at the cookout. that's all there is to it. >> they have tequila at the
cookout? >> tons of it. >> and the people are rising up. if there's anything positive to come out of this, yes, like we're showing our true colors but we're also seeing an entire nation that is moving whether it be women or whether it be the immigrant community or whether it be jus people in color of general and black people talking about how our lives matter. we're mobilized and energized and the reverend who's been doing this work forever, that this ground swell isn't going in where and i suspect that's what's going to move us forward despite this blip in history. >> i think that's a fitting point to reflect on. thank you, both. rev, stay with me. that's 9:00 p.m. tonight. coming up, wikileaks responding to exclusive reporting we did on julian assange in the russia probe here on friday, also ivanka trump's business gets a
nice big boost from china as her dad makes a big concession. another important thing on "the beat" tonight, harvey weinstein's lawyer says the case is absurd. i have an exclusive with an actress that accuses mr. weinstein of rape. and new revelations with trump's relationship with tmz and the tabloid press. >> where did you get the showmanship from? who are you? >> that is the longest interview i've ever done and intense. >> you're watching the beat" on msnbc.
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new witnesses leaking about the mueller probe which is how we can report tonight mueller continues to press for more information on roger stone. a former trump aide. mueller's investigations pressed him with contact with stone. questions came in march when fbi confronted ted malloch. his claim to intermediary to wikileaks alleged friday that stone is threatening him to impact the outcome of the probe. so where's stone in all of this? the self-pro-claimed man has a method strategy of course. he now argues that any charges that could come would mean he has been framed. >> hi, folks. i've broken no laws and done nothing wrong but i will be targeted in an effort to trump up charges against me to get me to turn on donald trump.
not happening. it is now abundantly clear that special counsel robert mueller intends to frame me on some conjurd up concocted offense in an effort to leverage my testimony against the president of the united states. >> stone's former associate also said on friday that julian assange would talk to congressman adam schiff about all these open questions if schiff will see him in london. >> i went down the to ask him if you want to get to the bottom of all this, then go to london. i had gone there with a man for mr. schiff to go over there and interview him. >> you have julian assange willing to speak to adam schiff's committee? >> yes, yes. he told me to talk to schiff -- >> when did he do that? >> just before i went down there. st it was a secret mission. if he wants to go over there,
he's waiting for him. >> what anyone thinks of the credibility of stone, testimony is powerful if assange speaks it could impact the mueller probe and the statement made many headlines as soon as he got off "the beat" set. they say assange speaks for himself and a pretty firm statement from adam schiff which doesn't deny that he relayed the office. note what's happening there. that is cold water on the offer if there is an offer but it's also a supremely odd statement from a congressional investigator considering the u.s. has not publicly charged assange with a crime, which means there's literally no current legal basis for him to be in custody in the u.s. i am joined by "the wall street journal" shelby holiday who has been all over the story and nick ackerm ackerman. shelby, what do you think? >> one thing as journalist we
try to do is take piece of evidence and see what it means but it's very clear as you report on this story there's likely a lot more evidence we haven't seen. for example, these emails. we covered the story about roger stone telling sam nunberg he dined with julian assange. it indicated -- then a few weeks later we reported this story that roger stone was seeking damaging information about hillary clinton through his alleged back channel, so one had seen that. it's very possible that there are a lot more emails. there could be a lot more contact. one thing that's very clear, though. if you look at some of the people subpoenaed surrounding roger stone and questioned including ted malloch, the questioning revolves around and seems centered on this line of questioning around wikileaks, which could be at the center of any sort of conspiracy if there was one, because roger stone seems to predict and know a lot about what wikileaks would
release. >> could be -- could be some day in the future and yet -- >> i have to say roger stone denies that wikileaks is connected to russia and he thinks he did nothing wrong. >> right, but that would be the future date, nick. it was very odd on friday night after he made news on "the beat"" to see schiff's office refer to assange in custody. there's no legal basis for him in custody right now. >> not right now but maybe there's a sealed indictment that couldn't be released. >> do you think that's why they said that? >> probably because he was involved in massive leaks of classified information for the u.s. >> wouldn't that itself be somewhat inappropriate for congress to gesture towards, it's sealed for a reason? >> i would think so, but i wouldn't be surprised if there's a sealed indictment some where on julian assange. >> why did you read adam schiff to respond so strongly in that? >> he must believe that assange
will be extradited to the united states. >> roger stone, we showed the video there. he's a pro-voc ca tour, you've known him since you questioned him in the watergate. what is stone doing right now speaking so much when he's smart enough to know it's better to lay low? >> i don't know what he's doing. he is right in the middle of one area that is definitely a crime. that is the theft of the emails from the democratic national committee. he is a person who knew about those emails before the public did. he's made all kinds of contradictory statements about what he knew, when he knew it, who he spoke to? he spoke to guccifer 2.0 who first released them, he spoke to wikileaks who also released them. he is right in the middle of what we know is definitely a federal crime. the question is, is he involved in a conspiracy, is he part of a conspiracy to get those emails and use them to help donald trump get elected? >> another thing that you
focused on which i think is reminding the viewers is the timeline here is unclear but it's very important, because roger stone made a lot of predictions in august. he talked about podesta's time in the barrel and october surprises. he talked about information wikileaks might have. he says that randy credco is his back channel all along. he said they asked him a specific question about august 12th and his answer was related to randy being his back channel. cred aco denies that he was and says he had no contact with julian assange or anyone with the embassy. that leaves -- if that is the truth and we don't know for sure, that leaves this hole in the story of who did roger stone get this information from and why would he have known it before randy could have? >> i got to go. i know you're a big fan of ra y randy's show. >> i enjoyed seeing him on the
show just as much as i liked seeing roger stone on "meet the press." >> right. there's a lost fact checking going around. thank you both. up ahead, ethics lawyers alarmed ivanka's trump fashion company getting special treatment also. harvey weinstein's lawyer punching back against the charges against him. there's a new expose that reveals donald trump's special relationship with tmz. the reporter that broke that story is live with me back in 60 seconds. family members, including your grandchildren babies too young to be vaccinated against whooping cough are the most at risk for severe illness. but you can help prevent this. talk to your doctor today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough. becausdangers don't just exist in fairytales.
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president-elect. >> tell me what the trump white house would look like because your place is a little like versailles. where did you get the showmanship from? who are you? who's donald trump? if you had to define yourself as a smart person or tenacious person, which of those most suits you in terms of who you are as a guy? >> now sources telling "the daily beast" that tmz's leader, harvey leaven there curried favor with trump by covering for trump during certain scandals. tmz pushed articles about hillary clinton. then when a trump accuser shared her story of allegedly being groped by trump on an airplane, one source says levin made it his mission for days to discredit her.
it was just part of tmz's news gathering. two days after jessica drake accused trump of sexual assault, tms published an article saying it was all an publicity stunt because she also opened an online sex shop. she sought financial approval from their parent company to buy a trump tape. it is unclear whether the gold air was to publish the tape or help hide it. i am joined by "the daily beast" reporter who broke this story. he was the executive editor of "the national enquirer." thanks for being here. >> good day. >> gout a hot one. >> we do. >> it's your story that tmz likes donald trump which is perfectly fine, or that tmz is doing something untoward on behalf of donald trump? >> based on multiple interviews, dozens of former and current tmz staffers, detailed a pattern that was going on in the newsroom of tmz and the lead-up to the election. one former staff actually
referred to it as a propaganda operation. they went from covering kardashian and brittany spears and they began printing running stories very pro-trump and you've seen some of the examples there on the screen. i never talk about sources or sourcing, but one of my best sources for this story was tmz.com. if you look through the archives of the website, straight off the "access hollywood" tape run, they began running stories to help bolster donald trump. other staffers tell us, there were phone calls, direct phone calls going on between donald trump and harvey levin and tips being passed to the website from trump. >> so what is the core allegation here? is there some sort of quid pro quo that you are hunting? >> i think that the relationship was beneficial to both parties for donald trump. you have this huge platform and it's not just tmz.com. there's the tv show on fox which is massive.
he gets the free publicity and his image bolster on those platforms and harvey, as you saw there, scores one of trump's first interviews. he goes to leverage that for a tv show called "objectified" i believe and our sources say that he has a meeting in the oval office which is previously being reported and during that meeting, donald trump assists with getting benjamin netanyahu to appear on that tv show and benjamin netanyahu, the israeli leader, appears on the first episode of that objectified tv show. so it worked both ways. >> investigators have looked at this in the context of "the national enquirer" where people may be surprised where these outlets are helping to kill stories on behalf of their more powerful stories. are you finding that with tmz and trump? >> our reporting up until this point has indicated anything like a catch and kill.
there was certainly a curious incident that occurred with a tip regarding a potentially damaging tape of donald trump and i want to be very clear with this, we have not seen this tape and in the course of our reporting we spoke to, as i said, more than a dozen people, we did not come across anyone who has laid eyes on the tape. what i do want to say is that multiple tmz staffers said that a tip came, through the tmz tip box around october the 13th, so just after "access hollywood" had come out. this is also around the time they're trying to hush up stormy daniels. it's an email tip from a lawyer in los angeles. a woman that we tried to reach and speak with in the course of this reporting -- >> the point is they were going to run the tape or not run the tape? >> he seeks financial approval to the upper esh lonz of time warner. goes as high as the chairman financial approval is given and
the tmz confirmed this account. they go to meet this lawyer woman and the meet is canceled. she is explains to them or infers to them that this tape is highly has been brought off the market. we don't know by who -- >> but a person watching this, say me, the host of the show, can't quite tell what you're saying. are you saying that's a bad thing? they might try to buy evidence to run it if they ran it that would make them journalistic? are you saying something else? >> our reporting has indicated that this is a highly curious situation, tmz said it was very unusual for harvey levin to go out himself and meet a tipster -- >> you're implying -- you're implying -- you're implying they're trying to bury the tape to help trump but you can't quite say that on tv. >> our reporting is continuing and you'll hear the latest on the "the daily beast." >> all right. all right. i appreciate you breaking a big story and telling us part of it.
i understand you may have lawyers that won't allow you to say all of it. ivanka trump, china giving her seven new trademarks on products, this includes house wares, cushions, baby blankets, this is then a week later, her dad makes a concession to the chinese government easing restrictions on a chinese tech company that had been sanctioned for doing business with companies in iran. ivanka, of course, also works in the white house and while she said she stepped away from her business the company's been winning dozens of trademarks. she sat next to the chinese president at mar-a-lago the same day. yes, china granted her another trademark. since the inauguration, sales of her products have been soaring. the biggest spike coming on the day this happened. >> go buy ivanka's stuff. i hate shopping. i'm going to get some myself today. it's a wonderful line. i own some of it. i fully -- i'm going to give a free commercial here. go buy it today.
everybody you can find it online. >> david fromm was a speech writer for george w. bush and author of a trump book. this type of normalized circumstantial evidence of corruption seems pretty blatant. your view? >> i would be very careful -- i wouldn't say one way or the other, whether there was an explicit quid pro quo for any aspects of this. what is astonishing is the idea that white house staffers are operating businesses, not only any business but global businesses while working for the president and while having other presidential staffers touting their wares on tv. kellyanne conway was disciplined -- reprimanded for those words but she was not disciplined. they're completely inappropriate and probably illegal. but the president, his family, they are continuing to operate a business and it has been going on for so long, you can't do a show every day but how unprecedented, how shocking this is but it remains unprecedented and shocking. >> very well put.
the history is instructive. they're doing what they've alwaysone b a time they work in government without having given a lot of thought to what that usually entails and those obligations. take a look at the past ivanka trump branding exercises. >> hi, i'm ivanka trump and i'm on set of my very first fragrant photo shoot. i thought there was a void for design luxury jewelry. >> happy shopping. >> take photos and post them on facebook and instagram and share them with me wi wiwith #ivankatrump. >> why does this person need to hold a white house job? wouldn't it be better for everyone, including her business that they seem interested in to just go do that separately? >> the whole trump experience is raising questions that -- whatever happens to this presidency, the country will have to wrestle with. in other authoritarian countries, it's pretty common
for corruption to be eroded not to the head of state directly but to members of the family, the son, the son-in-law, the daughter, the daughter-in-law will become the richest people in the country. the united states is historically not done very much to impose ethical standards on those members of the president's family who don't work for the president. if ivanka and jared kushner had not made the mistake of going to the white house, they could right now do all kinds of astonishing things and have no scrutiny about it. so we may need given this experience to really rethink this at the moment the fact is jared kushner and ivanka trump are government employees as is president trump, by the way, and all of them are operating -- donald trump is not -- but just to be the beneficiary of it, although he knows where the money is coming from, jared and ivanka or operating businesses. >> the word there is -- >> kazakhstan is one of the most famous cases where the family of the head of state has become
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harvey weinstein's criminal defense attorney was back in court today with a new defense. weinstein's attorney was in court for two hours today. he's now arguing that weinstein might not get a fair trial and then add this had defense on the courthouse steps. >> i really never been in that position where i am defending a crime which is serious on its
face, but when you drill down into it based on my investigation also in my opinion absurd. >> actress in a that'sia joins me now along with her attorney gloria allred. thank you for taken some time to join us. what is your reaction having seen the arrest of harvey weinstein last week and the defenses that his lawyers are putting out in this case? >> i think it's a very complex situation. my first reaction to the visual images were, you know -- i -- i felt very uncomfortable and i find it sad and the first thing that came to my mind were children, you know, seeing their dad handcuffed and i don't think anybody could feel good about
that having kids see that and being that kind of situation. so that's -- that was my first reaction. >> so you empathized with him as a human being going through this situation on friday, i would say, apart from your history with him. you've alleged that he basically tried to get you to exchange sex for a potential career opportunities? >> i think -- you know, i received script the day after the incident and i call it the shut your mouth script and i -- i believe that abusing your power to such an extent is extremely violent against a woman who doesn't have power, and also the fact that everybody knows in hollywood how much power he has in the one phone
call away from destroying anything that you've built, i don't entirely see this as his fault, because there were so many yes people around him, there were so many people who, if i mentioned it to anyone, it was like a glaze over their eyes. it's something in that business that i could feel on a daily basis that was pure violence against women trying to work themselves into a successful role. >> let me turn to gloria allred. part of what we're hearing here is that it may start with accountability for one individual but there's a lot more work to be done if you're going to deal with a system, corporate, personal, social that
reinforce this had conduct for so long. >> that's true. and matter fact in the lawsuit that i have filed against harvey weinstein, we are -- we've also amended it now to include members of the board of directors of the weinstein company in the lawsuit that we have filed. so, yes, i do agree with her that others were also enablers and will determine who those enablers were, not ready to reach a conclusion yet. i think that mr. brafman's defense today of mr. weinstein is patently absurd, even if a woman had a ten you'red consensual relationship and i don't know that she did because i don't know those facts involving that particular alleged victim and i don't represent her, but even if that were true, it doesn't mean that on any individual time or occasion she can't say no and that no must be listened to, so
it's possible to be raped. again, i don't know what happened here. whether he raped her or not. it's possible, even if you have a consensual relationship. we know that in many states, a wife can be raped. she has the right to say, no, even if she's in a long-term marriage with her husband. so i don't know what he's getting to. it may be that he's just clutching at straws, trying to think of some kind of defense, casting couch -- i don't know what he's going to bring to bear, but i think it's going to be tough for him as a defense attorney. >> final question to you natasia, what would justice look like here in the case of weinstein in your view? >> i have a very huge imagination and i sometimes look at the world through other -- other kinds of glasses and, you know, i don't believe how
criminals are treated in the united states and anywhere -- the jail -- the jail system i find that to be a very outdated system and i would like it to be more of nurturing and rehabilitation for people who make wrongs. i'm my own brain have thought anyone who conducted and contributed to this terrible culture towards women should dedicate their life to fixing that wrong. >> gloria allred, thank you, both very much. >> thank you. up next, kellyanne conway says it's time to stop talking about 2016. i have an explanation about where she got that wrong with some tape next.
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highway we were on air, we got a new filing in the michael cohen case. you may recall trump's lawyer had been fighting to keep evidence away from the feds. he's losing that fight badly. the feds have gotten over 292,000 items of evidence and this filing says they'll get over a million more tomorrow unless a judge finds some kind of privilege. the debate is over what is attorney/client privilege and what are personal filings.
what we're seeing day by day is most of the evidence on michael cohen is going to the feds. i will see you back here, of course, at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> barred. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. the biggest star on network television lost her show today after posting a racist tweet about a former advisor to barack obama. even by hollywood standards, today's dramatic turn of events was shocking. it happened early today. abc quickly canceled the top rated show "roseanne," and the star was then dropped by her talent agency after she posted and deleted a racist tweet about former obama adviser