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most of the evidence on michael cohen is going to the feds. i will see you back here, of course, at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> barred. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. the biggest star on network television lost her show today after posting a racist tweet about a former advisor to barack obama. even by hollywood standards, today's dramatic turn of events was shocking. it happened early today. abc quickly canceled the top rated show "roseanne," and the star was then dropped by her talent agency after she posted and deleted a racist tweet about former obama adviser valerie
jarrett. she wrote jarrett is what happens if a muslim brotherhood and the planet of the apes had a baby. she later apologized saying she was sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks. in a statement abc's enterta entertainment.president wrote the twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and we have decided to cancel her show. it was as astonishing fall from grace. according to the washington reporter the reboot of the popular '90s sit-com was the highest rated and most watched show of the season. barr was an outbroken trump supporter. president trump called roseann after the first episode to congratulate her on the premiere, those where is his words. late today in an interview with msbc, valerie jarrett responded
to the news. let's watch. >> i think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. i'm fine. i'm worried about all the people out there who don't have a circle of friends and followers who come right to their defense, the person walking down a street minding their own business and see somebody cling to their purse or want to cross the street or every black parent who as a boy and has to have the talk as we call it and as you say, those ordinary examples of racism that happen every single day and i think that's why i'm so glad to be here this evening talking with all of you. >> jarrett is one of the guests on the msnbc town hall meeting tonight "everyday racism in america." it's well timed to say the least. i'm joined by sit-com legend and filmmaker rob reiner, commentator nancy giles and u.s. congressman emmanuel cleaver of missouri. you're part of history, rob, in
terms of awakening america to its prejudices and interesting ways on television. tell us about your thinking. we talked earlier what means to america and our values today in 201. >> first of all, i think abc, applaud abc for acting quickly the way they did. there is not acceptable in 2018 america. you know, it's interesting. you know, slavery is one of our original ss in this country. and you know, i think all of us and many of us felt we were moving in the right direction. once barack obama had been elected president, we said okay, an african-american can be president and we are pushing past this original sin. but, i like many of us didn't realize there was this virulent strain of racism underneath all that who resented the fact that an african-american was president and donald trump tapped into that. and so we -- what we see now is maybe the last battle of the
civil war but what we're also seeing is that classic two steps forward, one step back. i think -- i'm glad we're having this conversation but just like the me, too movement, things are moving in the right direction and the fact that abc moved as quickly as they did is going to speak volumes. now, the question is, does the commander in chief, does the president of the united states come out and say that abc in no uncertain terms abc did the right thing. that's what we're going to have to see. no more there's good people on both sides. no more you know, dog whistles and here's my african-american over here. we have to see a president cop out and say that. if he doesn't, then it's going to tell us that who he is appealing to is a racist base. >> nancy, tell us your thinking on this when you heard t news today and right now. >> fir off, i have to applaud
reverend rob reiner because he took us all to church just then and i agree with everything that he said. i was shocked and then gratified how fast, how quickly abc canceled the show. i find it interesting that roseann made such a big got nasty statement and the woman who is most responsible for her show being on the air, channing dungy, the head of abc entertainment is a black women woman. did she forget her boss was black or is she so empowered with the bigotry like the president she thought it wouldn't matter? the other thing that hurt me the most, not her show getting canned but the people that work for the show, the crew, other cast members, the people whose names are really little and they go by quickly in the crawl, all of them lost their jobs. working class people with families and mortgages and her bigotry, her racism went so deep she didn't care about the other
people she was hurting. but yeah, i'm gratified at abc. they did the right thing and it -- just horrible, chris. >> well, i'm so glad you're on the show, nancy. thank you. i love the way you talk about this. congressman cleaver, tell us about this. i think the guys i've known in the black caucus and such wonderful people like mickey leyland, i love the guy. i loved him. i was watching at nba game last night, all those african-american guys. i get inspired by this development in this country how good it looks like we're getting and then this. i wonder, this wasn't a dog whistle. this was -- goes back to the prime orderal hell we started with this in this country that the whites are superior tore blacks, back to the raw cede of hell, the original sin. >> no, this was not a dog whistle. this was a burning cross in the yard. there was nos confusion about
this statement. and the thing that i think is really, really horrible about this whole episode with miss barr is that she apparently has such little regard for people of color, maybe xenophobia i'm not sure what it is, that she probably thought and believed that she would be applauded about what she said. smee she may have even wanted some applause to come to her from washington. i think in the absence of that, she may have realized not that she was wrong but that she got caught. and that she may have to pay for it. that's what her regret for me as an african-american, and i look at her supposedly apologetic tweet and it means nothing to me. it means -- what people don't know, they hurt people. they actually hurt human beings and they can dismiss it and walk
away. >> let me go back to nancy because this is a -- i'll say like rob, a surprise. it's so horrible. but the joke as she called it was the same joke she told, it's not a joke of course, the same racial ethnic what she looked like kind of slur she did against susan rice. i'm not going to use the same language but it's the same joke. this slur, this generic slur about a race. >> those were the kind of slurs that were made back when we first arrived in this country as property to dehumanize black people. and you know, she has a black character on the show, and it makes me wonder -- she talks about political correctness. it makes me wonder were she had that kirk with this kind of feeling about black people being a combination of muslims -- not denigrating muslims. i have friends that are muslims but to put that the together with an ape is totally unacceptable and those kind of
images were used against president obama, against michelle obama in cartoons and twitter. you know, she's connected enough to trump for this to me to be just an extension of what goes on with his ilk. >> rob, you respond. here's valerie jarrett today talking about president trump. let's watch. >> tone does start at the top. we like to look up to her president and feel he reflects the values of our country. i think every individual citizen has a responsibility, too. it's up to all of us to push back. our government is only as good as we make it be and as reverend always taught me, people on the inside have to push hard and people on the outside have to lis. >> and what do you make of this? you really -- you're part of history with "all in the family," that went a number of different directions and it was fun and changing the country. a lot of the country changed with it.
with the humor, there was real humor and stuff we wouldn't do today. we wouldn't even say today what was on that show. times have changed so well. >> we were making fun of that. we were criticizing it. we had a character pushing back against that saying this is ignorance, this is stupidity. this is racism. have you in roseann, you have a character who embodied that and i said it from the get-go. abc was going to have a lot of problems with her. i knew she was thinking these things and was going to say this. listen, trump started this whole political campaign by denigrating barack obama and say aghe wasn't born in america and that was a race -- not a dog whistle, a dog bullhorn. you know, so he stirred that racist base inside and it cannot, stand in america today. can't stand. >> congressman, you deal -- you
have a diverse constituency. let me ask you about the blatant racist comments. howard cosell which everybody liked in the old days, his relationship with muhammad ali, that relationship was wonderful. we loved the fun of that. then he made the comment about the guy running like a monkey and got comment and jimmy the greek they don't have the necessaries, i think duke here in d.c. what do you think of the prime orderal voices, not the tricky political stuff but when it comes out what people really think or sound like they think? >> there are two issues here. one, most people who say racist things will never even at gunpoint admit they're racist. there's nothing that you can do to convince them that they're racist. there's a woman who said that it's about time we get someone in the white house who looks like a real first lady. >> wow. >> and later in an interview, she said i'm not racist.
that's the problem. and in her own heart because she's decide with no evidence that she can present to herself that she's not racist. and that's the problem that we have to face in this country, the people who are unaware of their own bigotry. in this country, people are going to do everything they can possibly do to avoid any kind of discussion on race anyway. >> you think trump doesn't know what he's doing? >> of course he knows. >> yes. >> any one of you. i think trump is probably not guilty of racism. he just knows how to use it politically. >> i think he's racist. >> go ahead. >> something you can't make of the separation. you can't say that he's not racist but he knows the game and using it politically. that makes you a racist. >> barack obama's white mother from kansas went over -- i'm sorry, it's lewd russ, went over to kenya to have the baby there
and name him barack hussein obama and did that with the idea that 35 years later he would be constitutionally eligible to be president of the united states, i don't think anybody believes that. >> i'll say something else, chris, about trump and his history of racism. he took out full page ads in "the new york times" when those young men were unfairly arrested. >> wilding. > the wilding controversy. and even after they were released and you know, found not guilty, they were totally innocent, he maintains and stands by the fact that he thought they should go to the electric chair. >> today. >> exactly. >> rob's got apoint. he was trying to punisheople just to punish them because he didn't like them. >> i do think it has to do with race. remember at the bottom of the escalator the first things he said about mexican-americans? this isn't dog whistling. this is loud. there are no good you know, fine nazis and white supremacists. it doesn't exist. >> nancy, what percentage of the
united states buys this hook, line and sinker? i would say 20%. in other words, likes what they heard from rosanne barr this morning. >> i hope it's 20. >> you think it's lower? >> i would like to believe it's lower. i don't know. i don't know. >> but here's the thing. you know, everybody says you know, you can't just tar all trump supporters with the broad brush of being racist. >> i'm asking how many is it. >> but there are a chunk of racists and it may be 20%, it may be 15, 30, who knows. but the point is, whoever makes up the rest of that 40% is okay with that. you see what i'm saying? they're fine with that. >> you're racist adjacent is what they are. >> i'm only glad for one reason. i got your fine voices on. rob, i love having you on the show. nancy, i love you so much. congressman, you have the lost thought. >> i just wanted to say, paul ryan, the speaker of the house
after the president made some comments about mexican judge, he said, and i quote, this is textbook racism. and the problem is that if that's what it is, why in the world are my colleagues in congress on the republican side hugging him? >> oh, my. >> history is going to ask that question and they haven't answered it properly yet. history wants to know, rob and i were talking about this, why can't account republican party have the spine of the disney corporation? >> shameful. >> that was rob's line this morning. thank you emmanuel, rob, fancy nancy giles. the msnbc town hall tonight sflt everyday racism in america toixt airs tonight p.m. . president trump says the mueller investigation is "meddling in the midterm elections." like the russians his latest bogus comes attack as rudy giuliani has revealed their game plan for the trump team.
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welcome back to "hardball." armed with conspiracy theories an itchy twitter finger and an outspoken lead attorney, that would be rudy giuliani, president trump continues to lash out at the special counsel's probe on russia. during the holiday weekend and today, the president posted a dozen tweets calling it among other things a rigged investigation led by "the crooked highest levels of the fbi," and this morning attempted to politicize the probe further. without any explanation accusing robert mueller's prosecutors of catch this it, meddling in the midterm elections to hurt republican candidates "the 13 angry democrats plus people who worked eight years for obama work on the rigged russian witch hunt will be meddling with the midterm elections especially now that republicans stay tough are taking the lead in polls." they're not. he spent a portion of hills time on memorial day quoting fox news
to attack the credibility of the russia probe. as his own lawyer admitted this is not a legal strategy, it's a political one. giuliani said the intent to turn puicpigainnion a the investigation itself. their ultimate goal is not to exonerate the president but to taint the jiri pool so vote others won't support impeachment it proceedings. here goes. >> they're giving us the material to do it. of course, we have to do it in defending the president. we're defending to a large extent we're defending, it is for public opinion. eventually the decision is impeach, not impeach. members of congress democrat and republican will be informed by their stuns. our jury as it should be is the american people. and the american people, yes, are republicans, largely, independents pretty substantially and even some democrats now question the legitimacy of it. >> i'm joined by three msnbc
contributors robert costa from the "washington post," natasha bertrand from the atlantic". robert and then natasha. this open admission this is not about facts or evidence or defense. in fact, it's not about the work of what we often think of as a lawyer. you know, fighting making the case for law. they're accepting this is going to beat the drum, rally the base, say anything you can to trash the prosecution and don't care where the fact -- where the chips fall. chips don't matter. facts don't matter. it's a hull of a statement. >> you bring up the statement. the context is revealing. the mayor is not negotiating with mueller face-to-face not trying to hammer out the details of an interview. he's negotiating through the press trying to make the public case against the investigation. >> but natasha, we've been through so much history with this president. remember for months through today, in fact, today, as of this moment, he won't put out his tax returns because he's being "edited."
he sent investigators to hawaii and said they're getting a lot of stuff. now he's saying before i allow myself to be interviewed by the mueller people, before i let that happen, i must have an additional briefing on what they have on me. what kind of a defendant gets do that? into this is kind of where it all comes full circle where the republicans in the house like devin nunes who have been manufacturing scandals for the last year over the unmasking scandal. >> he made all that up. >> the fbi warrant, it's coming full circle where trump is saying if this is all true, i want to see proof. >> rudy told "the washington post" today "we need all the documents before we can decide whether we're going to do --." he's setting the standard. he's not going to be -- he's going to be hit with a subpoena eventually. >> the challenge mueller faces, the question is, does he issue a subpoena to the president of the
united states or does he just pull back and publish the report to send the report to rosenstein at doj about the president's conduct. >> why don't you go for possible perjury if trump keeps talking under oath like he does in public, you'll get him on perjury. >> that's why they don't want him to sit down with mueller. that's why they're making excuses now saying he has to ha a briefing of these highly confidential documents that are implicated into his campaign which the prosecutors wouldn't want him to see. as a prerec can question sit for him to sit down with the special counsel. >> robert, are you truly objective and you truly don't have nene attitude about trump not worthy of you. do you believe that trump and giuliani have ever talked the facts of this case? do you think that trump has ever come clean with giuliani what he did with his in-laws, his son, people like rick gates and manafort and what conversations
he might have had that led them to colluding with the russians? do you think they had that conversation? >> i don't think they had an extensive conversation about the details of the case. >> of his innocence or guilt. >> they've had long conversations at the golf club in virginia for hours on end. what they're talking about is the tv case against mueller, how to go after mueller's credibility. >> never about the facts. this is an important question. >> why was goould brought in the president thought the other lawyers were too cooperative. >> the actual guilt or innocence of this president has never been a topic of conversation by giuliani or the brez. >> they're shifting the goal posts. it used to be when ty job and john dowd were his lawyers, it was he had nothing to hide. why not sit down within mueller. now ghoul now seems to be acknowledging the president may be guilty. >> well, this is second. he's turned it into a public relations game. it should be about facts. that's what watergate was about.
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basis of his personal style. he has departed in some cased from the truth and has attacked in a way that i think is not entirely appropriate. i believe his policies have been by and large a good deal better than i might have expected but some of the things he said are not ones that i would aspire for my grandkids to adopt. >> that was mitt romney an exclusive interview with nbc news saying he doesn't see our current president as a role model for his grandkids. a recent gallup poll shows republicans are much less likely to say it's very important for a president to provide moral leadership, just 63% of republicans today say presidential moral leadership is important down from 86% during the clinton administration. democrats flipped on the issue. 77% now say moral leadership is very important versus 64% who felt that way during the clinton administration depending who is in office. a new hbo documentary john mccain depicts a politician who makes moral leadership seriously
for all seasons. let's watch. >> mccain was always willing to break the mold he was in ift was clearly the right thing to do. at's an invaluable commodity. >> i thought i was going to whip him. of course, he thought he was going to whip me. >> mccain has an authentic inner voice even when he compromises. >> for john to say we're all americans was an indication of who john fundamentally was. >> we need to give the american people what they deserve and right now, they're not getting it. >> john mccain showed his leadership when he defended president obama during the 2008 campaign less than a month before that election. watch him here. >> i do not believe in -- i can't trust obama. i have read about him. and he's not -- he's a -- he's an arab. he is not -- >> no, ma'am. >> no? >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he's a decent family man,
citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. >> i'm joined by mark former s adviser to senator mccain and one of the filmmakers of john mccain "for whom the bell tolls." mark, thank you for coming on. you must be so proud of john for that moment. >> i was there. it was quite a moment. but very. >> he was trying to win the presidency. that was not going to help him. >> he was. we were having a rough go after that. that was after lehman brothers. we were fighting hard to win. he lives by an honor code and that was an example of it. >> well, he's a profile in courage. teddy, tell us about the movie. i watched it today. it's on hbo. anybody who's got hbo can watch it. i was wondering for how you were able to get him to sit for all this time. i love the pacing. but the beauty of yours is it's
quiet, it's an sedona. it felt quiet and a chance to hear from a guy about his soul i thought. into thanks for having me, chris. well, when we pitched the show to john, it was an immediate yes, and let's get you down to see doan nap quickly while i'm still doing well and he and mark were in the middle of writing their book and he was already in a reflective spot. so for us, it was a dream come true sitting on his front porch, if you could hear the cicadas, we had some issues with that, but we were able to capture what we thought was the truman. >> what do you think it was about him that gave him this serenity? he's going to die. we're all going to die. he has this thing chasing him right now, brain cancer which we know what happened to ted kennedy, people like that. it's there. the prognosis is pretty accurate. how do you think he's handled this so serenely?
>> john's been fearless his whole life whether in vietnam as a p.o.w., the guy is not scared. and this is just another chapter and he's facing it front foot forward. and you know, i saw him a few weeks ago and his spirits were good and he's just -- it's the mark of the man. >> mccain also reflects on his cancer diagnosis in this film. let's watch it now together. >> i know that this is a very vicious disease. i greet every day with gratitude. and i will continue to do everything that i can. but i'm also very aware that none of us live forever.
i'm confident and i'm happy and i'm very grateful for life i've been able to lead. and i greet the future with joy. >> i'll never forget the small part we had in covering it back in the 2000 election in south carolina when there was a moment we thought he could win the whole thing. it was at clemson when he came in for our town hall that night and we were just watching. we had nothing to do with his success. it was so exciting, the students went wild and they did that dirty campaign against him down there. it was robbed from him. >> yeah. >> how did he get over that? >> every bad experience he puts in the rearview mirror from vietnam on and learns the lessons he wants from it and moves forward. >> you've been cowriting a lot of his books. here he is, john mccain. a beautiful book. comes out just at the right time. mark salter and ted ted
konhardt -- the documentary is called john mccain for whom the bell tolls. >> president trump called out "the new york times" for using a fake source even that is source briefed more than 200 reporters i'm anchoring a documentary on rfk this sunday how he tried to unify a divided country. we'll be right back. you're watching "hardball."
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accusing "the new york times" of making up a source in reporting on north korea. he tweeted the failing "new york times" quotes a senior white house official who doesn't exist as saying even if the meet were reinstated holding it june 12th would be impable given the lack of time and amount of planning needed. wrong again. the times responded saying the source of that sentence was a white house official who held a briefing on thursday afternoon in the white house briefing room that was attended by about 50 reporters with about 200 or so more on a conference call. the president made it up. that wasn't the only time this weekend he distorted facts. early this month, attorney general jeff sessions announced a trump administration policy to prosecute anyone who crosses the border illegal even if it involves separating children from their parents. watch him. >> i have put in place a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest border.
if you cross the border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. it's that simple. if you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> everybody hear that? despite that president trump over the weekend pinned the blame on democrats tweeting put pressure on the democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from their parents once they cross the border into the -- how does he do this? we're getting more reporting on why trump continues to push false narratives coming up next with the "hardball" narrative. lots of con piracies in had this guy's brain. we'll be right back. to fidelit. we give you research and data-visualization tools to help identify potential opportunities. so, you can do it this way... or get everything you need to help capture investment ideas
welcome back to "hardball." president trump spent much of this memorial day weekend peddling his latest unfounded allegation. that is somehow he's a victim of the fbi spying during his campaign. "the new york times" reports that the president uses these sort of conspiracy theories to erode trust in institutions like the fbi. it notes that students of mr. trump's life and communications style argue that the idea of conspiracies is a vital part of his strategy to the avoid accountability and punch back at detractors real or perceived including the news media. jonathan swan a reporter from
axios, sabrina sidique with the guardian and margaret cross. a lot of definitely articles here. the, the, the. jonathan, we all try to figure him out. why does he get away with it? this is beyond rascal. he lies and makes up conspiracy theories like obama is from africa. he makes it up usually with an ethnic slur and people like him. 40% of the country say i approve of him. he makes up stuff like ted cruz's father helped kill kennedy. makes it up. >> during the campaign, he used this tactic, i don't know if you would call it a tactic, it's modus operandi which is say whatever you need to say to get through every given moment. his whole objective is not to come to symptom objective truth or to put something out that's going to be accurate. it's to win the moment. say whatever is required tore, quote unquote, win.
so he does. and he sees the winning as the justification, and really, there is no -- the people around him are not necessarily pushing back on him as hard as you would maybe hope in some of these circumstances. >> and getting caught is no downside for him. getting caught means nothing. >> how about something would leak from his briefing when 50 reporters were there and it was done in a white house briefing and everybody says you look like a dunce. you sound like a crazy person. >> we know they president is thin skinned. anytime he reads a news report he deems unflattering he's going to deride it as fake news. that's been a tactic that's been employed since the campaign. it's worth noting on immigration, he used the same strategy with dreamers. wide widely criticized for rescinding the daca program and blamed on democrats. he could keep the immigration issue alive which rallies his
base. >> can you imagine he was giving a commencement address is? make up stories about people that are horrible and hostile. make it up. and also engage in hallucinations that you can sell. imagine giving this advice to other human beings to be trump-like. think about that. that's what he's selling really. >> the conspiracy at the fbi was such a serious lie. >> the spy? >> undermining the fbi. but there's no pushback from congress on that. and that is -- that is going to do lasting harm. you know, remember the secretary of labor who said where do i get my reputation back. fbi agents must be asking where do we get our reputation back? because he's harming it in the interests of getting out of the robert mueller investigation. >> i this i that's a critical piece of it. republicans in congress have been muted in their criticism at best when it comes to attacks on the fbi. rnc embraced him as a candidate.
>> why? >> they know the republican electorate is the behind trump. as many as 70 to 80% of republicans now believe that the entire russia probe is a witch hunt. republicans are thinking much more about the politics than the substance. >> is that a cultural problem with the republican party as opposed to most americans. >> it's going to have a rans formative effect on the party. >> the men are all programmed a certain way. they don't have the too many outplirpds they all behave basically the same. margaret, you're laughing. you must play golf, not tennis. you must watch sports and talk about the nfl. and what else? read "the wall street journal" and believe the op-ed page. >> i would say i think there is a legitimate question to ask, and in some circles it's not politically correct to ask the question why this informant was trying to get a job on the trump -- in the trump administration after being an fbi informant and trying to. >> why? >> i'm just saying is that appropriate?
he was trying through peter that var row to get a job in the trump administration, a senior job. during the transition. >> was the probe. >> of course it was. >> is that wrong. >> i don't know. it's worth asking questions about. it seemed pretty shady to me. >> do you all agree that's shady to three to find out whether russians attacked our democracy? >> i don't think it's shady of the whole investigation. if this guy was an fbi informant trying to get a job in the trump administration is worth asking questions. >> we have to learn about the tactics he used. certainly our understanding is that the fbi was trying to investigate the established con contacts between trump officials and moscow. those continued during the course confident transition. perhaps that was why the fbi was still interested. >> was he following information he was picking up. >> it's never going to change the fbi asking about carter page and papadopoulos was wrong. anyone should do that. >> the fbi dropped a case like
that? we're looking at possible russian collusion but then we dropped it. >> no, you must ask those questions. >> what about trump's general inclination for conspiracies? it's mental derangement which is not funny. when you bump into people at the new york port authority and they have something to sell you or keep asking you what about building seven and you find out that person is president of the united states, isn't that scary to know that the president of the united states is one of the people that grabs you at the new york port authority with a conspiracy theory? isn't that scary? my opponent's father helped kill kennedy or he is some secret emmy gray from kenya? he came over. >> he pulled enough sleebds on birtherism to test the market for his presidency. >> anyway, do you have any response? you're laughing at me. if you buy one conspiracy theory, they have them all. a guy comes up to your woman and
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persons not just parents crossing the border illegally being separated from their children. even those turn themselves over. >> i keep thinking of so much a's choice. >> trump praised in houston over their hurricane over puerto rico. a new study says not 64 people died in puerto rico but 4,695 people. and. houston, there was 106. so puerto rico much more serious and much more neglected. >> jonathan an swan, sabrina and margaret. let me finish tonight with trump watch. you're watching "hardball." it took guts to start my business.
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trump watch tuesday, may 29th, 2018. the firing of rose anne barr today over her racist tweet raises a serious question, perhaps an existential one. why does the disney corporation process higher principles than the republican party? why is an institution that runs on profit able to display integrity that's been foreign to the institution that calls itself the party of lincoln. >> i said it was a serious question. so far, and we're will a year and a half into it, the only republican elected officials challenging the trump presidency are those heading out the door. senator john corker and jeff flake and charlie dent and ryan costello. one could argue the real lame ducks are those still facing the republican electorate. for a party that once stood in
opposition to deficit, they have a deficit of courage to stand up against a president who mocks the principles that once mattered to so many americans. remember the party that fought in the world war ii and backing the marshall plan to save europe. remember the party that joined lyndon johnson in passing the civil rights act. remember the party appalled by the misbehavior of a democratic president. where is that party today when donald trump engages in conspiracy you expect to hear from a deranged person who grabs at you at a bus terminal to scavenge some votes. yesterday, we heard the first word of resistance from the grand old party frothe salt lake city and from the front running candidate out there for the u.s. senate. from mitt romney. let's watch him. >> i don't think that i would point to the president as a role model for my grandkids on the basis of his personal style.
he has departed in some cases from the truth and attack inside a way that i think is not entirely appropriate. >> at least it's a start. perhaps of something big. let's hope. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from philadelphia. i'm chris hayes. i'm here in philadelphia for our town hall on everyday racism in america and that will be airing right here just one hour from now. of course, it could not come on a more appropriate day. the news today dominated by abc's stunning decision to cancel the revival of roseanne the number one show on television after an star and co-creator roseanne's barr overtly racist tweet that valerie jarrett. barr wright muslim brotherhood and planet of the apes had a baby equals vj. after an immediate backlash, she