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who are being oppressed. >> reporter: now they're gearing up for a battle. >> put america first. >> reporter: on the ballot. morgan radford, nbc news. >> and with that, that is our broadcast on a thursday night. >> tonight on "all in." >> i said to myself, i said you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a madeup story. >> as the president tries to rewrite history. >> the attorney general made a terrible mistake. >> tonight, new reporting on the president's personal behind the scenes pressure campaign to get jeff sessions to take over the russia probe. and investigate hillary clinton.
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>> for what she's done, they should lockler up. >> then how the president's series of pardons lays the groundwork for pardoning his own campaign. >> i've got this thing and it's gold. >> and the president's attorney caught on tape. >> so i'm warning you, tread very [ bleep ] lightly. >> i'll talk to the reporter michael cohen threatened to destroy when all in starts right now. >> what i'm going to do to you is going to be [ bleep ] disgusting. do you understand me? >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a major scoop today that adds to the overwhelming evidence of potential obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. tonight it, axios is breaking news the president's private campaign to pressure attorney general jeff sessions was much larger and more intense than we first knew. axios reports on at least four separate occasions the president personally appealed to sessions to reclaim control of the russia investigation. at one point reportedly telling
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sessions he would be a hero if he unrecused and if he investigated hillary clinton. sessions who was a part of the trump campaign recused himself from the investigation of the trump campaign last march after revelations had he met with the russian ambassador during the campaign, something sessions did not disclose somewhat infamously during his confirmation hearing. that meant the number two at the justice department rod rosenstein took over the russia investigation and eventually oversight of special counsel robert muler. the decision by sessions to recuse himself reported by enraged trump. >> sessions should have never recused himself. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said thanks, jeff, but i'm not going to take you. it's extremely unfair and that's a mild word to the president. >> the "times" reported this week that trump pressured
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sessions to unrecuse himself last march at mar-a-lago after giving him the silent treatment for two days. trump reportedly berating sessions and telling him he should reverse his decision over dinner. now axios reports that trump made that request at least four separate times and told sessions that he would be a hero to conservatives if he did "the right thing and took back control over the investigation." trump also reportedly told sessions he would be a hero if he investigated hillary clinton. a direct appeal to prosecute fundamentally a political enemy that's both a threat to the independence of the justice department and an echo of the type of behavior we see all the time from corrupt and authoritarian regimes the world over. joining me to respond to trump's pressuring session, the top democrat on house intelligence committee congressman adam schiff. democrat from california. the president pressuring the attorney general to retake crow of the russia investigation behind the scenes. is that appropriate?
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>> no, of course not. there's so much to be distressed about what we learned today. here you have the president who is effectively telling the attorney general you should ignore what the ethics lawyers at the justice department are saying. i want you to reinstate yourself in an investigation that implicates either me or my campaign because you're my attorney general. it's my justice department and what's more, you can be a hero to conservatives if you'll investigate my vanquished rival. when we meet with parliamentarians from emerging democracies we always urge them when you win an election, you dote seek to jail the losing side. here our own president of the united states is trying to do exactly that. >> how big a deal is it fundamentally? >> well, it's a big deal in this respect. it's further evidence of a corrupt intent on the president's part. further evidence that he may have violated the law by obstructing justice in the firing of comey. but in other efforts, as well.
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one of the other disturbing signs we saw just today is the president's announcement that he's going to pardon someone who had violated campaign finance laws by surreptitiously exceeding limits. it looks a lot like a message to michael cohen who may also be implicated in exceeding campaign limits with that stormy daniels payment. and then you have the further announcement by the president that he may pardon martha stewart. another tv permanent who was convicted of guess what, obstruction of justice and lying to authorities. so he's nothing if not transparent. the problem is the fact that this is out in the open that these actions to obstruct justice don't make it any less problematic for the country or for the rule of law. >> the president tweeted this today. that not that it matters but i never fired james comey because of russia. the corrupt mainstream media loves to keep pushing that narrative but they know it's not true. of course, the president said he was thinking of russia whether he decided to fire james comey in that infamous lester holt interview. why do you think he's saying that now.
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>> he realized he's in some legal jeopardy that much of what mueller is looking at involves the issue of obstruction. that goes to his intent. he laid out his intent for millions of viewers on nbc. n that same mainstream media he is now bashing, he told the american people that he had russia on his mind when he did it. of course, the pretext he would now like to us believe that he fired comey over comey's handling of the clinton e-mail investigation doesn't square at all with the fact he had been praising comey for exactly that previously. so it really makes no sense from a logical perspective. he's contradicting himself. but from a legal perspective, he knows he's in jeopardy and i guess i thinks if he can muddy the waters further it will be that much more difficult for mueller to establish intent. >> one of the colleagues said on the complete you work on, trey gowdy, he had this to say about the president's claims about conspiracy, a spy implanted in his campaign. take a listen to what he said. >> so when the president says spygate, that's -- there was no spy inserted into the campaign.
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have you seen any evidence of that? >> i have not. that's an espionage term, not a law enforcement term. >> you believe the fbi acted properly in this matter? >> based on what i have seen, i don't know what the fbi could have done or should have done other than run out a lead that someone loosely connected with the campaign was making assertions about russia. >> rudy giuliani also saying that trey gowdy has drunk the cool aide, he's drinking the kool-aid when he decided to say that. have you been feeding trey gowdy the kool-aid? what do you think of his fairly definitive pronouncement on this? >> i don't think he's drinking the kool-aid but also not running for re-election. we have seen among a great many
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members of the house and senate not running for the election they feel more free to be truthful and straightforward about the false statements of the president, short comings of the administration, potential corruption problems in the administration, even so, there are very few republican members at all even those leaving office that are willing to speak out and i'm glad he is here. >> do you have in your mind a kind of threshold break glass moment? the president is clearly increaing pressure on the justice department. i don't think there's any question about that. we're getting more and more reporting about that pressure. what he toggles over into crisis in your mind? what's the break glass moment. >> i think if he affirmatively fires people at the justice department. that to me i think is goes well across the line and prompts a national crisis. and it's a constitutional crisis because the constitution gives us no clear direction about what should happen under those circumstances. but look what, we're seeing i
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think in small steps sometimes in the so small steps is the slow undoing of our system of checks and balances. that is not quite as visible as a saturday night massacre but it's this abuse of the pardon power, it's this brow beating of the justice department, rudy giuliani is now saying if we don't get access to materials that should not be provided to the defense but if we don't get access, we're not going to make the president available and essentially trying to brow beat the justice department into giving congress materials that can be then surreptitiously shared with the president's defense team. all of that ought to concern us in the aggregate as much as any particular firing. > congressman adam schiff, thanks for being with me. >> thanks. >> for more on the russia investigation, the president's campaign to up end it, barbara boxer of california and former state department official jake sullivan who is deputy chief of staff to of hillary clinton. jake, your reaction to hearing in private the president has
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been doing what he has done publicly, urging his own attorney generalton investigate hillary clinton. >> you alluded to there at the top of the program. this is a tin pot dictator mentality. the president basically believes the justice department is his peschell playground for him to direct the law enforcement apparatus of the united states to go after his political enemies and that is a deeply dangerous proposition. but it's consistent with his broader world view. he thinks that if the president criticizes him he should yank their licenses. he thinks the u.s. foreign policy is there to advance the business interests of himself and his family. so all of this adds up to a particularly deeply held view of donald trump about the presidency of the united states being above the law and about him not being helped in by institutions of democracy. and it really falls to the rest of us to push back hard against that because if he gets his way ultimately, there's going to be a lot of harm done to our country. >> senator, you served in the united states senate through a variety of presidential
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administrations. have you ever seen anything like what's the president has done public by but what's been described of him essentially twisting the ample his attorney general? >> no, i've never seen it. i started my career whether he ronald reagan was president. i left after barack obama finished his second term. not one of them ever tried to use the attorney general as a fixer. all you need to do is just go back and look at what the job of the attorney general is. it was stated in 1789. and it's been the same ever since. the attorney general, that's the people's lawyer. not the president's lawyer. and this is using, this is what
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he wants to have is a fixer ala michael cohen. he acts yes, you could say a dictator, yes in a third world country or you could say a mob boss. i've never seen anything like it, and it continues to play out day by day. >> there's this tweet to the senator's point, jake, about the role of the attorney general, joe digenova, briefly considered to be as the president's lawyer. he's on cable news a lot. he said the recusal of sessions was and you forced betrayal of the president of the united states and the president tweeting back clearly as an endorsement. recusal in the guidelines of the doj ethics office. what do you make of that. >> you have to follow the logic train. senator laid it out very well. the logic train is jeff sessions let the president down because he didn't maintain control of the russia investigation and cut it off. and close out the russia investigation. so basically, what the president and dijen nova and all of his allies are saying is, jeff sessions made an error here because i didn't take an ongoing criminal investigation that has already produced more than a dozen indictments and several convictions and shut it down.
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and that's pretty scary stuff. >> senator, the president today is saying i never fired. james comey about russia. it's worth replaying what he said to lester holt in the last interview he gave to -- last television interview he gave to a sort of not explicitly friendly outliers let. take a lis. >> and regardless of recommendation, givesing to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said you know this russia thing with trump and russia is a madeup story. >> what do you think -- why do you think he's backtracking? >> he's scared to death because he knows he said in plain sight that he fired comey because of
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russia. he even told the russians, remember they were in the oval which was so shocking at the time. >> the next day. >> he said i had to take the pressure off myself. i mean, he is caught just right there, but i do want to say that i served with sessions for a long time. we never agreed on a thing. but sessions knows what it is to obstruct justice. and he's not going to be a part of it. we know he met with the russians during the campaign. that came out. it was a little hard to get the truth out but it came out. he's smart enough to know that he needs to walk away. and good for him. and now trump is trying to insult him every which way. to get him to quit. i hope he hangs in there. >> jake, there's this question about the institutions, the independence of the department of justice. news broke tonight that after the inspector general at the
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department of justice recommended review of the actions of andrew mccabe, the number two at the fbi who has been a huge -- has a target painted on by the president both in the campaign and subsequently, that he was not candid with fbi investigators. that was referred to prosecutes to look into and prosecutors have now interviewed people looking into whether he should be actually criminally charged. i guess my question for you is, given everything that's gone on, do you feel like we can trust the integrity of anything that's coming out of the justice department as pertains to these kinds of investigations? >> well, this is exactly the kind of trap that trump is trying to catch the entire country in. because he's trying to so discredit the basic institutions of our democracy, whether it be the fbi or the department of justice or the press for that matter. and he wants us to question whether any of this is real. so that if it ever lands at his door, he can say this is all just political. so i believe that at the end of the day, that we currently have a department of justice. at the moment. we'll see how long this lasts that is capable of making credible, serious decisions about prosecution. and that's exactly what will
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happen in the mccabe case and it's exactly what will happen with bob mueller's continued investigation of the russia matter. i just really hope that we don't fall for donald trump's trap that we don't start saying you know what? he's right actually. doj and all of this is just a bunch of political hogwash because if that happens, then we're in real trouble. >> barbara boxer and jake sullivan, illuminating. thank you for being with me. next the president now floating a pardon for a man found guilty of some of the crimes that could be facing some of his closest inner circle. the unmistakable signals donald trump is sending with his pardons in two minutes.
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the president of the united states has once again used the power of the pardon to send a message about who is accountable to the rule of law and who is above accountability. signalling to his confederates currently in legal jeopardy and there are quite a few whether intentionally or not, they're all going to be taken care of. you see, out of nowhere this morning, the president just tweeted that he had issued a pardon to dinesh d'souza, a
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right wing demagogue whose twitter feed makes roseanne's look tame whose politics are so toxic he was banned from this year's cpac after he ridiculed the children who just survived is the shooting in parkland, florida. he's also a convicted felon who pleaded guilty in 2014 to purposefully making illegal campaign donations, the same type of crime for which the president's long time henchman michael cohen is reportedly under investigation. hmm. he has claimed to be the victim of persecution by politically motivated government instigators, the deep state, if you will, the judge in his case laughed that off telling d'souza in court the claim of selective prosecution legally speaking is all hat no, cattle. but the president shockingly found the argument persuasive telling reporters "i've always felt he was very unfairly treated. a lot of people did. what should have been a quick minor fine and what they did to him was horrible." it's the same argument he made about two of his previously high profile pardons both granted to
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political allies. there was scooter libby, the former dick cheney aide found guilty of lying to investigators and obstructing justice. the president said i don't know mr. libby. for years i've heard he has been treated unfairly. there was, of course, joe arpaio, the anti-immigrant former sheriff from arizona convicted of willfully defying a federal court order in order to continually racially profiling latinos in his jurisdiction. >> sheriff joe is a patriot. sheriff joe loves our country. sheriff joe protected our boarders. and sheriff joe was very unfairly treated by the obama administration. especially right before an election. and an election that he would have won. >> president says he's not done
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jet after pardoning d'souza this morning. he's considering do the same for martha stewart found guilty of obstructing justice, again, familiar and lying to investigators, hmm, rings a bell about a stock sale and former illinois governor rob blagojovich who is currently in prison after being convicted on 18 counts of corruption including trying to profit off obama's vacant senate seat in 2008 an effort famously picked up on a wiretap. >> i've got this thing and it's a [ bleep ] golden. and i'm just not giving it up for [ bleep ] nothing. i'm not going to do it and i could always use it and [ bleep ] parachute me there. >> i've got this thing and it's iffing golden. you can imagine michael cohen saying the exact same thing after the election as he said about trying to monetize his relationship to the new president. and according to president, there's nothing wrong with that saying of blagojovich, there was
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a lot of bravado but plenty of other politicians said worse. he shouldn't have been put in jail. for more on the message, i'm joined by paul butler who worked in the justice department's public corruption department and dan gold man which prosecuted dinesh d'souza. it was your office. as someone who worked in that office watching this pardon today, your reaction? >> well, it's it's hard to react to this. the guy pled guilty and admitted in court that he violated campaign finance laws. so this was not a situation where he was tried and he maintained his innocence and there was anything unfair in the verdict or in any way he was charged with a crime. and he admitted to that crime. >> he also didn't do -- sometimes people get parreds when there's an incredible disproportionality between the thing they're convicted of and the sentence. you hear the case of the woman kim kardashian was advocating for, nonviolent.
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>> he spent eight months of home confinement, five years of probation. it was on the scale of public corruption prosecutions in the southern district. it was relatively minor which makes it all the more remarkable in some way that donald trump has never met the guy, he apparently called him last night and spoke to him for the first time. he didn't go through the normal procedures. and so this is just aside from the message that we'll talk about in a minute i'm sure, this is also just another effort of donald trump to undermine the general practices, policies, and regulations of the department of justice it is trying to cut the legs out of the department of justice. >> as a former corruption prosecutor, you see what he's doing here. you see what happened with blagojovich. what is your take away?
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>> the presidential from pardon power is one of the few parts of the constitution that comes from the english divine right of kings. it's perfect for donald trump because it's consistent with the way that he views his presidential authority. there is a procedure in the justice department five years after you served your time, you express remorse, you make it clear that you're note going to commit another crime, you accept responsibility. and then very, very rarely they give you a pardon. the first two years of the trump, the bush administration, obama administration, clinton administration, nobody got pardoned. and so this is expressive. this is a message to people like michael cohen, roger stone, paul manafort, hey, hold on, guys. hang tight. santa might just have something in his gift bag for you. >> i mean, two ta point, let me just say that michael flynn junior whose father has already like dinesh d'souza admitted of lying to prosecutor, michael flynn junior saying the political hit job on d'souza was a disgrace. that's what the obama
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administration was good at. man, this sounds familiar. that sounds a lot like message received from the son of one of the people cooperating with federal investigators. >> there's a view of this where donald trump is somewhat crazy like a fox which is he is sending these obvious messages someone who committed campaign finance fraud, false statements, you know. >> obstruction of justice. >> obstruction of justice, public corruption. these are all things being investigated right now in connection to him and his associates. but he also likely recognizes that if he were to actually go down that road, there may be some serious problems because i think that it's never been tested because the president has never been under investigation other than nixon quite like this and nixon didn't pardon anyone as part of an investigation. but just like you cannot fire james comey for a corrupt purpose, you cannot use a presidential pardon for a corrupt purpose. it's never been tested. >> you say that now sitting here in my studio. i would like to think that's the case. >> well, it's never been tested. it will be interesting to see
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it. i don't think donald trump wants it to be tested. there's one view of this which is he is end is standing these messages to hold on to hang tight, michael flynn hasn't. that's a bit of an issue. maybe it's just an unfulfilled promise so he doesn't have to carry out the deed but he is -- he's leading them to pasture. >> here's on the other side. this is a former white house official who says it's not three-dimensional chess telling buzzfeed trump is playing the three-dimensional chess. more often than not, he's just eating the pieces. >> he's also paying back. this is not only a signal, it's about payback. if you look at the people who are floated now, martha stewart, she was prosecuted by james comey. dinesh d'souza was prosecuted by preet bharara, and blagojovich
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was prosecuted by patrick fitzgerald. guess who he is representing right now? james comey. >> let me also say this as a possible -- i think this is an absolute honest expression of the president's view of law and law and order which is that the law is forly people. it's for other people and not for him and not for people like me. martha stewart is a person like me. these are powerful famous people. these are not the thugs of ms-3, not the thugs of the central park jogger case. those are the people that deserve to be in prison. those are the people the law should be used against and the people that go to my parties and buy my condos and occupy my offices the law means nothing to them. he is using that philosophy to govern the country right now in front of all of us and using the pardon power. it's going to get worse before it gets better. paul and dan. >> don't forget "the apprentice." >> blagojovich was on there. >> that's right.
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coming up, recordings of the president's lawyer threatening a journalist during the campaign. my interview with the reporter who took the abuse. >> i'm warning you, tread [ bleep ] lightly. what i'm going to do to you is going to be disgust package. a blank is growing tonight against the trump administration's inhumane policy of tearing immigrant families apart at the border taking away if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough,
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ithe race for governort. has turned into a scam. gavin newsom's trying to elect a republican who was endorsed by trump. and villaraigosa's being bankrolled by a handful of billionaires. it's everything that's wrong with politics. and none of it is helping struggling families. here's my pledge to you. i'll keep our budget balanced. invest in affordable housing. fight for universal healthcare. and stand up to donald trump.
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as governor, you can trust me to do what's right- because i always have. a blank is growing tonight against the trump administration's inhumane policy of tearing immigrant families apart at the border taking away children as young as 1 year old from their parents separation sometimes lasting months with little or no contact.
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today senator dianne feinstein of california announced she will introduce legislationings to stop this practice. across the country, people are organizing rallies protests tonight and tomorrow. one of the people organizing protests director of the national domestic workers alliance and the director of the national immigration rights project of the aclu. tell me about what you're organizing for tomorrow? >> so i think the trump administration's policy of separating parents and children senior creating a real moral crisis and choicepoint for thus in country. fact that in the span of 13 days 658 children were separated from their parents is absolutely outrageous. and i think every parent can identify with this experience of having been in a grocery store and suddenly your child ducks behind an aisle and you can't find them and that feeling of panic. imagine what these parents are experiencing as they're leaving
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their home countries escaping violence to try to bring their children to safety. the trauma of having to venture into the unknown to find safety, then to arrive at our border and have your child torn from your arms, babies, toddlers and not knowing when or if you will see your child ever again. and that is what is happen an average of 66 children being taken from their parents every day. i think parents started to awaken to that this weekend and almost broke the internet with outliers rage. what you're going to see tomorrow at our national day of action for children is that thousands of people, parents, mothers, fathers, people of conscience will take to the streets in cities all over the country. there are over 130 events being planned for the day of action tomorrow. and i think what you're going to see is people of conscience all over this country demand agend to this practice of separating children from their families and asserting that families belong together. >> lee, you were on the program
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i believe on friday night. there has been this huge crescendo of angeles attention. you've got members of congress of both parties saying this outrageous. you were out in el paso. how have things progressed? >> things are bad. that's a resilient community at the border. things are bad. i was meeting with one of our plaintiffs. she spent 8 1/2 months and still hasn't gotten her kid back. every day, that's on her mind. >> she's from brazil and she crossed the border fleeing domestic violence. she was -- she was taken and tell me what happened with her. >> so she was prosecute fords illegal entry. a misdemeanor even though she's asylum seeker. that shouldn't happen. let's assume they're going to prosecute. they put her in jail for a few days, she comes out expecting to get her kid. no. month goes by. two months.
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it's now 8 1/2 months. she hasn't gotten her kid back. >> where is her kid. >> her kid is in chicago. she's in texas. >> so they took her kid away, sent a 14-year-old son by himself away from the mother to chicago. >> right. >> and so secretary. >> and they haven't returned him. >> exactly. it's closing in on nine months. secretary nielsen keeps saying well when they're in jail, there's no place for the jail. okay burks she's been out of jail eight months now. where is the kid? >> is there -- ai-gen, is there leverage on politicians on this issue? >> absolutely. we have a real chance at creating a moral crisis for their administration. the amount of outliers rage out there and the latent power behind it, i think we'll see some of it tomorrow. this is just the beginning. there are marches planned for june 14th in 57 cities as well as the next step. people are calling their members of congress.
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republicans and democrats alike are hearing from their constituents that this is absolutely outrageous. i think this is going to be an issue in the 2018 elections. and i think a lot of people who are in if their seats are vulnerable need to think twice whether they want to be associated with a policy of separating babies from their parents. >> you know, it was striking to me that the reaction to the issue getting more attention was the president trying to blame it on democrats, mark meadows. people didn't want to own the policy. no one wants to own the policy. >> exactly. i think the administration wasn't prepared for this kind of backlash. when we filed the suit and let everyone know about the congolese mom coming with her 6-year-old daughter fleeing, presenting herself at a border still being separated people went berserk. the administration wasn't prepared. when they stepped in court, they backed off and said it's not for deterrence but they had been talking tough about that.
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we know they're trying to deter by taking babies away. now all of a sudden, i don't think they were prepared. you know, it's not just the left/right thing. this goes beyond the normal divide on immigration as you've pointed out. >> yeah, and ai-jen, i've got be a lot of feedback from viewers of the show, people reaching out to me who are just -- i've gotten e-mails from parents just in distress over conceiving of this and premium interested in going out and sort of exercising their civic duty, where can they go? >> the families belong website has a list of all of the events happening tomorrow that you can attend. families belong >> ai-jen and lee, thank you both for your work on there. you have got a case before a federal judge. >> right. >> and you're asking the government to stop that and that may hatch. >> any day potentially. hopefully the judge will rule in our favor. the decision will come downy day we expect. >> you and i also had a conversation why is this happening out on tuesday for a further in-depth look at this bish. the trajectory of immigration enforcement in the trump administration. up next, a ringing endorsement in tonight's thing 1 and thing 2. and hear the tape of trump's attorney threatening a reporter in the campaign.
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thing 1 tonight, new york's 11th congressional district is in the midst of a tough primary fight on the republican side. michael grimm you may remember is the congressman who threatened to break a reporter in half and throw him off a balcony like a little boy is trying to win back his old seat from dan donovan. donovan succeeded grimm after he was convicted of felony tax fraud and resigned. now grimm served out his sentence and wants back in the game. both men have positioned themselves as trump allies in a district that went for trump by ten points. yesterday the president back aid candidate.
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there is no one better to represent the people of ny and staten island than dan donovan who loves our captain and military and vote ford tax cuts and helping to make america great again. dan has my full endorsement. there's just one little problem with that part about donovan's vote for tax cuts. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds. >> president trump gave new york congressman dan donovan a ringing endorsement yesterday
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>> president trump gave new york congressman dan donovan a ringing endorsement yesterday pointing to his vote for tax cuts as one of the reasons new yorkers should choose donovan in that primary. it turns out the koong gres man voted against the president's signature tax cut bill. not once, not twice, but three times. it's the sort of thing you probably remember if you were paying attention like we were here because he didn't just vote against trump's tax bill. he went on tv all the time all day longing to rail against trump's tax bill perhaps the president missed his shows that week.
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>> this is a tax cut for the rest of america on the backs of four states, new york, california, new jersey and maryland. this is unfair to new york persons the one thing we have to do is make sure all americans receive a tax cut. i represent 725,000, 740 through new yorkers who deserve the same break that the rest of america is going to get. and not pay for the tax cut that the rest of the nation is going to see. >> the people that i represent and the people of our city will be paying more money in their taxes at the end of the day. >> trump's personal attorney and his fixer. and now we have a firsthand look , and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's? the three p's of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54. alex, what's my price? you can get coverage for $9.95 a month.
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>> trump's personal attorney and his fixer. and now we have a firsthand look at one of his tactics. soon after trump began running for president a reporter for "the daily beast" called for comment about an allegation
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about trump's first wife. during divorce proceedings she had claimed that trump had raped her. she had later clarified she didn't mean it in the criminal sense and trump had said the claim was fools. the rorter didn't get a call back from the campaign. instead from trump's fixer michael cohen. >> you're talking about donald trump, you're talking about the front-runner for the gop, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody and, of course, understand that by the very definition you can't rape your spouse. now. >> that's not true. sorry. >> mark my words, for it, i will make sure that you and i meet one day over in the courthouse
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and i will take you for every penny you still don't have and i will come after your "daily beast" and everybody else that you possibly know. do not think about going to where i know you're planning ongoing. that's my warning for the day. you write whatever you for the day. you write whatever you want but rest assured like i told univision and like i told everybody else and you can certainly look it up online, i swear on god as my children, i will find you and serve you personally and i will be nothing but happy when i turn around and i get 'judgment for defamation against you and [ bleep ] everyone you work for. so i'm warning you tread very [ bleep ] lightly because what i'm going to do to you is going to be [ bleep ] disgusting. do you understand me? don't think you're going to hide behind your pen because it's not going to happen. i'm more than happy to discuss it with your attorney and with your legal counsel because [ bleep ] you're going to need it. you write a story that has mr.
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trump's name in it with the word rape and i'm going to mess your life up for as long as you're on this frigging planet. i'm going to turn around. you're going to have judgments against you for so much money you'll never know how to get out from underneath it. i think you should do the story. and i think you should go ahead and you should write the story that you plan on writing. i think you should do it because i think you're an idiot. all right. and i think your paper is a joke. and it's going to be my absolute pleasure to serve you with a $500 million lawsuit like i told -- i did to univision. >> good news and a little bit of a spoiler alert. the reporter on the other end of that phone call is alive and well and joins me next. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. i went to the er. they said i had afib. afib? what's afib? i knew that meant i was at a greater risk of stroke.
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do not even think about going to where i know you're planning on going. and that's my warning for the day. >> michael, besides the warning, do you have a substantive comment that i can include in my piece that reflects your views on this? >> i have no views because there's no story. >> okay. i mean -- i mean, you have expressed your views over the last 10 minutes or so.
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>> you write whatever you want. >> i don't think this is a particularly productive way to discuss this matter. okay? i'm just saying, i would like -- if there's some way in which you would like to discuss this involving -- if you think that i'm misinterpreting what's happening. if you think that i'm misinterpreting some of the facts here. >> you know you are. listen, my friend, don't be a smart-ass with me. do you understand? >> i'm not being a smart-ass. i'm giving you an opportunity -- >> i know you -- i don't need your opportunity, you little [ bleep ]. i know exactly who you are and i know exactly what you do and i know exactly the story you plan on writing. >> that was trump's attorney michael cohen repeatedly threatening reporter tim mak back in 2015 trying to persuade him i guess if that's the word you use not to run his story in the daily beast. titled "ex-wife donald trump made me feel violated during sex."
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reporter tim mak currently with npr, formerly of the daily beast, joins me now. well, you kept your cool admirably. let me just say that. that story that you wrote about that encounter is the first i ever heard of michael cohen actually back in 2015. and partly because he said there's no such thing as spousal rape, which is of course untrue. what was going through your head during that phone call? >> well, i was just surprised that a lawyer would conduct himself in this manner. if you go to and you listen to the entire exchange, we've got seven minutes online. you can kind of get a sense that i'm trying to as a daily beast reporter, trying to get a substantive comment out of him. putting aside whether or not he wants to bring a lawsuit forward, what i was trying to do was reach out to the trump campaign and the trump organization for comment for a story i was working on.
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>> i've got to say, he keeps saying he's going to sue, luke putatively in the words he's saying the threat is legal. but the tone is not the tone of someone threatening legal action. like what i'm going to do to you is going to be f-ing disgusting. like the f-ing disgusting doesn't really read as file a lawsuit. >> well, i think what it illustrates is kind of the way that michael cohen has conducted himself not just in this instance but also in many other instances revolving around perceived problems for mr. trump during the campaign and after the end of the campaign. what we now see is an allegation by stormy daniels's lawyer michael avenatti telling npr that hey, michael cohen, when he approached stormy daniels to sign this nda they now acknowledge he actually threatened stormy daniels to try to get it done in october of 2016. >> he's saying that cohen threatened stormy daniels as part of persuading her to sign the nda?
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>> yeah. that's what michael cohen -- or sorry, that's what michael avenatti told npr as part of our reporting on the broader pattern of threats that were issued by michael cohen over the last few years. >> what does that pattern look like? >> that pattern looks like what you heard just on that awed two yeo tape a few minutes ago. it looks like threatening everyone from megyn kelly, who if you'll recall after the campaign after a very tough republican debate michael cohen retweeted a tweet that said "we can gut her," referring to megyn kelly. he would go after people like that. but also smaller targets. people like tom wattic. a person we spoke to. he was a student at harvard who pulled a prank on mr. trump during the campaign, and he got a phone call from mr. cohen saying essentially that hey, i'm going to try to get you expelled. i'm going to sue you as well. so there was no target too big or too small for mr. cohen. and what we really get a sense of, right? is it was michael cohen's job more as a lawyer for donald
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trump or more as a fixer. someone who was willing to do almost anything in terms of legal threats to solve problems for mr. trump. >> there's also a little bit of new news. my understanding of the timing of when he sort of threatened stormy daniels or when he reached out to her or when that nda got signed. >> in the story what we report is that michael avenatti is making this allegation that michael cohen used threats, not physical threats but coerced in some way stormy daniels to sign this nda. but we weren't able to get more details out of michael avenatti, who declined to kind of comment any further. >> one wonders if there's any tapes or phone calls he's had with other people. obviously as a journalist you record it. but any other tapes out there would be kind of interesting. >> michael avenatti has suggested there are tapes and has called for any tapes that might exist to be released. ? tim mak, thanks for joining us.
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i mentioned i recorded a truly illuminating conversation with my earlier guest for the next episode of our podcast "why is this happening?" lee is the one to talk to about what is happening with immigration in our country. you do not want to miss that. that episode comes out on tuesday. make sure you're subscribed now. check out the other episodes that are up right now while you're there. that is "all in" for this evening. tonight a wild day's worth of news even by trump administration standards, including a presidential pardon for a man who pleaded guilty to a federal crime and word that a federal crime and word that two members of the apprentice kwiegs family may be pardoned next. there's also the looming questions are these pardons meant as a message to people like cohen and manafort. also the president reportedly pressured jeff sessions to take control of the russia investigation not once, not twice, but at least four times. the reporter who broke that story standing by. all that plus some actual perspective tonight from doris kerns good win, on a thursday night as "the 11th hour" gets under way.


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