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that? i'm really thrilled that you're doing that tend of the every show because people respond to that. i don't think good news is soft, i think good news can be curing malaria. good news can be about alzheimer's, good news is about caregivers, good news is about women. >> amen to that. you just have to open your mind and your hearts to it. thank you so much. you better sign up for the sunday paper right now. that wraps us up this hour. i'll see you again at 11:00. now to hallie jackson. thank you much. i am hallie jackson in washington where we and the president are watching wall street on what you might call friendship friday. let me explain. you've got investors watching friends become frenemies. stocks you can see right now trying to rebound. they're up about 200 points after tanking about 250 on talk of a trade war. but they're getting a boost from this morning's job numbers. plus, this nbc news exclusive about a good friend of jared kushner who is being
looked at by the special counsel about another meeting before the inauguration. what he was doing with the crown principle of abu dhabi. and so what if they committed a federal crime, no questions about the power of the pardon and what signals the president might be sending to old pals. but let's start this morning with the white house and wall street. this newly triggered trade war picking up stream. there's the class act now from the european union and mexico announcing they will punish imports after the trump administration made it more expensive for people to send steel and aluminum over here. but today, we are seeing serious worries about whether this is going to cost you you and me more from everything from beer to cars and the u.s. might even be looking at some job cuts. so, stocks slid on that. but this morning all smiles because we've got a bit of a bounceback. you can see the markets are ticking up slightly and that is partly because of a better than expected jobs report out this
morning which shows the may unemployment rate fell to 3.8%. that's the low northweest in 18. crit ten, here's the thing. a lot of people who follow donald trump on twitter had a feeling that maybe this jobs report was going to be pretty good because the president tweeted about it and that's not kosher according to a lot of outside experts, right? >> that's right. >> reporter: it's sparking kroeg controversy against the backdrop of those tariffs, taxes that went out yesterday. the controversy over the president's tweet about the jobs reported. he tweeted at 7:21 a.m. looking forward to seeing the unemployment numbers at 8:30 this morning. those numbers, as you just sewed, did not disappoint. they exceeded expectation, 223,000 jobs added last month, the strongest report since february. so wall street certainly cheering the news, but a lot of people scratching their heads about why the president decided
to tweet about it before happened. no -- before hand. this has been confirmed by other administration officials, he like other officials got the jobs report the night before so he knew what was coming. take a look at that 1985 omb says all employ eefts exec tifr branch who receive prealso distribution of information and data estimates of above are authorized to show that there is no release prior to official release time. it could move markets one way or the other and there's real concern that that could have an impact. today the administration defending him, everyone from sara sanders, i just spoke to kevin who said there's nothing wrong with what the president did, it was appropriate because he was excited about the jobs report and he didn't get specific about the numbers. here's what larry kudlow had to say, hallie. >> it's my call whether to send them over to the president to
give him a call or have a meeting with him. that's just what i did last evening. okay. i tracked him down on air force one, i wanted him to know the numbers. that's a long custom, that's correct. he has a right to know, he's the commander in chief. that's all. he chose to tweet his tweet basically said like everybody else, we rate the job numbers. you can read into that ten different things if you want to read into it. numbers themselves are up slightly more, that's good news. i don't think he gave anything away, incidentally. i think this is all according to routine, as i say, law and customs. i recall when i was here whatever 35 years ago, exactly the same system, i was an omb in those days. they sent the numbers over to omb and we decided whether to alert the president or not, it really hasn't changed. >> reporter: former obama administration officials including jason furman not
dismissing this. they say it's significant. they say the president shouldn't receive the jobs report in advance in the future. so, certainly sparking a fierce debate again, against the backdrop of another debate over the president's announcement that he is slapping new tariffs on steel and aluminum. yesterday, of course, the united states allies already announcing that they're planning to retaliate. everyone from mexico to the eu as well as canada. let me read you what the president's tweeting today, hallie. he tweeted canada has treated our agricultural business and farmers very poorly for a long period of time. highly restrictive on trade. they must open their markets and take down their trade barriers. now, this comes amid concerns that those talks over nafta could all but be dead. i asked kevin about that, no reaction to that, hall. >> i thank you. i want to get some reaction from overseas because that is where the action is now. nbc matt bradley is in our london bureau. matt, you know canada is not happy. we heard from prime minister
justin trudeau. that's creating a lot of turmoil that you're seeing in the markets. >> the europeans here are tired of talking about tariffs and it looks like they're kind of ready to fight back. but the messaging it seems, if there's going to be a trade war, the european union really wants to make sure that they're not seen as the ones firing that first shot or escalating things unnecessarily. there are two steps that we're hearing about in this near term. the european union wants to file a legal complaint against the u.s. at the world trade organization. they started that process already. the eu just smifted a request for consultation with the u.s. at the wto. but the eeu is also talking about its own subsidies and they're targeting signature american products like bourbon whiskey and harley davidson motorcycles. but they want to make sure that the u.s. public knows that this will hurt jobs in the u.s. as well as here in europe. and we heard today from the
european commissioner from trade. take a listen. >> it is unfortunate because this is further weakening the transatlantic relations and it also increases the risk of severe turbulences in the markets globally. protectionism can never be a solution and this will hurt jobs here in the european union but also in the u.s. >> one thing here is clear and that's that nobody believes the president is levying these subsidies because of national security concerns. they see that as just a flimsy excuse for trade protectionism sbr we're joined by "new york times" senior economics correspondent neil irwin. let's talk through what you're writing about, you say it's not these tit for tat tariffs, it's something broader. explain that. >> steel and aluminum prices fluctuate all the time.
supply chains, companies are good at adapting to these things when prices swing. there will be disrudisruptions, what this signals is the long term quality of america trying to do business if the ifture trying continue to investigate in plants, trying to hire, how confident are you that you'll be able to get the inputs you need and go about and sell your goods if we end up in this trade war. >> there are also some real winners and losers in this. we winners would be u.s. steel and aluminum, but the losers, the list is very long. you've got everything from whiskey, apples, cheese, orange juice, and peanut butter too. talk a little bit about the discrepancy. there are 400,000 u.s. workers who work in the steel and aluminum industries, there are many, many more to who need steel and aluminum to do their
job. >> there's two dimensions. as you say all the industry that use steel and aluminum, that includes the auto industry, the aircraft, boeing. you know, these are not small industries. these are big companies that employ millions and millions of americans. so those are companies that use steel and aluminum. they're facing higher prices that damages their business. then they're suggesting there's the retaliation dimension. and, look, other countries now how to cause as much pain as possible as they come up with their lists of what the retaliatory tariffs ever going to be on. that's what we're seeing play out in europe and canada right now. >> thank you for talk through some of that when everybody seems to be watching what's going on with international trade, the markets as well. i want to bring in florida republican congressman rudy. thank you for being here. interestingly, in one of the graphics we just showed we talked about the loseners this tra -- losers in this trade war, o.j.
that's got to be a factor for you down there in florida, no? >> well, orange groves are a very important part of the economy 'and orange groves is not subsidized by the government programs like the farm bill we were trying to pass recently. i would hate to see anything happen to the orange production by virtue of retaliatory actions by brazil or some other trading partners or europe. there's a lot of other things i would -- there are a lot of other issues pertaining to these tariffs and this increased protectionism which i think could create adverse circumstances for the united states as well. >> tell me about this. you don't seem to be a fan of the trade move that donald trump is making. have you expressed those concerns to the president, to the white house directly? >> no. they haven't asked my opinion on that. but the thing is, you know, we have a globalized system and we've had massive shifts to service economies. both of which would be hard town ralph and which nurture the
benefits that you just mentioned to a broad range of industries rather than the aluminum and steel producers. >> wilbur ross kind of downplayed what the impact would be on the u.s. economy if these trade moves go into effect which they. do you agree with the secretary? >> i have to see what he said, but there are damages to a lot of industry who use steel and aluminum. you have to recognize that we don't buy much steel from china. >> what do you? what can congress do that the point? what will congress do? are you talking with colleagues about trying to take action to curb the president's move? >> well, i think that congress would have to pass any change to nafta, for example, or any change to some of the agreements with the eu. so we'll have an opportunity to weigh in on it. >> before i let you go, two quick questions four. number one, do you believe it
was appropriate for the president to tweet about the jobs numbers this morning? >> i really don't know. i mean, did he tweet before they were publicly announced or something? >> yeah, uh-huh. he said he was looking forward to seeing the numbers at 8:30. >> yeah, i -- i don't think it would be helpful if he gave anybody any kind of incite or advantage or anything. i don't know if it would. >> and as far as north korea, do you believe this summit is going to happen? yes, no, what's your bet? >> i think as it stands right now it will probably happen. >> okay. >> but, you know, we've got a real challenge there. what can we put on the table that would incentivize them to denuclearize? that's a fair question. >> thank you for joining us from florida. much appreciated. . on set is our panel. guys, i want to kind of quickly put a pin in this discussion on trade wars. i can't believe i said the phrase put a pin. donald trump, let's start were jobs report, start with the
unemployment numbers. here's somebody in the past who said these numbers ain't real they're not true. we put together a couple of times the president said that. >> don't believe those phony numbers. unemployment number as you snow totally fiction. you see what's happening with real unemployment, not the phony unemployment numbers that you read. real unemployment. people that can't get jobs and have given up looking for jobs. >> so are today's numbers, the best in 18 years, are they real or phony what do you think? >> they're real to trump. >> they're real now. >> and right, since they came out especially after that tweet this we talked about. one of the reason trump constantly points to him for him one of the few high points in his presidency specifically related to marginalizing communities. look at his panics, black numbers and women he points to these numbers that he has -- >> when you look at the trade moves one the pieces of the political overlay is how this plays to the people who
supported donald trump. people like this farmer we went out and talked to as one does. here's what he to say about he believes the impact of this is. he's a soy bean and corn farmer out there theresflt t. >> we're not being given any weapon to use on the frontline and we're very vulnerable at this point and we're being used as a soldier in this war. >> i think we talk to someone who say farmer in illinois. and who say donald trump supporter. >> somebody that vote ford donald trump. >> vote ford donald trump who is still in president trump's -- he's on president trump's team still. but one of the things he said was he didn't think that president trump would abandon him. and so that he -- he figured out a way to sort of take what president trump has been doing with tariffs and put it into the idea that this was part of a lather master plan, basically. and think we see that with a lot of president trump's supporters that, okay, so the jobs numbers are good so it's fine to like
the jobs numbers now. when president trump says they're bad that means they're bad. and there's no real way to counter that either. >> shawna tom matiohomas, hang a bit. how one of jared kushner's friends is now in the special counsel's crosshairs. plus, could it be this late night joke causing a firestorm and the white house is sounding off. so is the president. is there really a double standard? it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier... cut...it...out! [laughing] what year is it? as long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
we are back now with not one but two big headlines. one, this nbc news exclusive in the russia investigation. the other about another investigation inside the doj featuring some familiar names like andrew mccabe and james comey. let's start with our reporting. it's about a meeting with the indian ocean just before president trump's inauguration. i know you're thinking we already told you about this. this is a totally separate meeting. this one involves a hedge fund manager and close friend of jared kushners. in january of last year he was part of the meeting with the crown prince of abu dhabi. a few weeks earlier he'd been in a secret meeting with kushner and the prips at a new york hotel. that other meeting we reported on befores with organized in part by a guy named george nader. he's a lebanese businessman with close ties to the emirates. that included prince, the black
water founder and the russian official. they're look at whether that meet, meeting two was an attempt to set a back channel with the kremlin. julie aimsly is here along with national security for the washington post. and, matt, i'll get to you in a second. julie, let me start with you and explain why this matters. why does it matter that he is now being looked at so closely on this? >> so it matters because of his connection to the united emirates. and it's just been emerging that he's not only interested in russian influence but united arab imrates as well which is thought to be lesser but still significant. he's closely tied to kushner which makes him of interest to us if you're following the white house and that presidency and the investigation into that campaign. and he also has had strong connections with this crown prince who's known as nbz. when we first approached his plan or his spokesperson about this, they said he has never been there.
when in fact it's clear from flight manifests and messages he has been there. he had this meeting, and then he met in new york just months before that in that other meeting at the happened at the four seasons with jared kushner that you point out. this is key not because necessarily this man will be charged and he's going to be the next shoe to drop, but because it really shows what mueller's looking into and his connection, of course, to both sides of this, to the trump orbit and to the united arab emirates. i will say that they are denying this saying they're not under scrutiny. but you don't know if you're under scrutiny by mueller. >> nel wants you to know that you're under scrutiny. matt, let me go over to you because your reporting talks about something else, what's going on inside the doj and names involved in this. looking at andrew mccabe and james comey and others. talk through what you're finding. >> so the inspector general i'm sure everyone remembers issued a
report recent that i went after andrew mccabe the former deputy director of the fbi forwarded by the inspector general the account lying to investigators about a media disclosure. what we reported yesterday was that the d.c. u.s. attorney's office has taken up this mantle and interviewed james comey, the stormer fbi director who is one of the people mccabe is said to have lied to. we think this is important because it shows it's possible that mccabe will be charged with a crime. the inspector general had referred this to the d.c. u.s. turn's office. it was unclear how serious the d.c. u.s. attorney's office was taking this the 'mccabe's people had intimated, look, we think the d.c. u.s. attorney's office is going to look and let this go. they are pretty seriously looking at it, seriously enough to interview the former fib director james comey. >> to be clear, this is separate from the special counsel piece of this. but, matt, this kind of goes back or does go back to that "wall street journal" story when
mccabe authorized these agents to talk about the hillary clinton investigation? >> yeah, all of these things are int intertwined because all of the players are intertwined. mccabe and comey were at the center of the russia investigation before both were fired from the fbi and it's created mud all around that the inspector general season find-- finding negative things about them. >> thank you both. i want to bring in msnbc chuck rosenberg the former prosecutor who served as fbi chief of staff. chuck, how much hot water is andrew mccabe? >> potentially quite a bit, but i think context is important here spot inspectors general exist throughout the government. >> sure. every agency, every bran zblch eve -- branch. >> every agency has one. they make a referral. the u.s. attorney that receives it, in this case the district of
columbia, has to review it. it's not by reading the report, it's by talking to the witnesses that the inspector general spoke to and comey would be one of those witnesses. >> is that interview a signal to you regarding any kind of conclusion they've been reaching or it's part of the due process? >> i think it's part of the due diligence. i think it's something that they have to do. i'm sure that mr. comey and mccabe would prefer this whole thing never happened. we don't know what actually transpired between them. we know what the ig thing. but i think any u.s. attorney receiving the report would wanted to talk to the witnesses and jim comey would be an important one. >> anything having do with andrew mccabe involves rod rosenstein, would have to at that point. >> exactly. and i think one of the things, it's hard not to look at all of this and say, okay, we know what president trump has tweeted about jeff sessions. we know what he said about the fbi. we know what he said in all the ways that it seems like he's trying to undermine some of the institutions. will people feel pressure do something about andrew mccabe
whether depending on how good the evidence is, all of that stuff. but will they feel pressured do something to show president trump hey, we're on your side. >> wii got your back? >> yeah. and i'm is not saying any of the inspectors general would think that way, but it must be difficult to do these jobs within the doj right now and not have that in the back of your head. >> and the other piece that i'm sure if you work at the doj is you're thinking about the guy that leads my department, jeff sessions, is loathed openly by his boss, donald trump, right? there's new axios reporting that confirms a lot of reporting that says that the president was repeatedly pressuring sessions over his recusal in the russia investigation. steve bannon chimed in on this. i want to play for you what he had to say about that. >> i think the praes wrong. i think the president's been wrong from the beginning about if i can respectfully disagree with the president of the united states. i think that the whole concept
of recusal is not even an issue. i think that rudy giuliani or chris christie, jeff session, anybody associated with the campaign would have had to recuse themselves before grassley's committee even voted them out to go to the floor for a vote. >> what do you make of that, chuck? >> look, i have criticized mr. sessions when i thought it was deserved. but his decision to recuse here is spot on. it's really frankly not even a close call. and it's not something that you should lightly or at all undo. if you have a conflict in a case, if you're a witness in a case, if you're tied to the other people, either personally or politically in a case, you step aside. it is absolutely the right thing to do. >> thanks for coming on set and joining us for that. you guys stay right there because coming up we want to talk more about something that's happening in washington. the presidential pardon power. he floated two big names tied to
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blagojevi so you know we're always going after the who, what, where, when, and why. today we're focussing on the last one as the big question for the white house. why is the president considering a pardon nor martha stewart? considering shortening a sentence for governor robb blagojevich? would koh it be a signal to michael cohen the president's long-time loyal who is feeling pressure from robert mueller as he closes in on folks involved with this. or does this have to deal with mueller himself with james comey? rib he served as fbi director and back in 4 james comey was the whoub brought federal charges against martha stewart. peter, there's nothing more frustratings a journalist than having the question we don't know answer to. i'm not sure we know the answer as to white president is considering this, but there are signs of where that is going. >> i think that anybody can sort of read this the way they like, including those individuals you named like the president's attorney michael cohen, perhaps his formal national security
advise irrelevant micha adviser michael flynn. it's one of the president's most unfettered powers. he can wave a wand and say you get a pardon, you get a pardon just in the same way oprah might be offering a car. and it appears the president's been acting that way. he has been abanding on the traditional justice department process, just take the case of dinesh d'souza yesterday, the far right fire brand he was only four years removed from his conviction, he pleaded guilty to campaign finance froud u fraud, normally it's five years that need to pass before someone can go through the office of pardon for the petition to be considered, that does not happen according to justice department in this case. just the president we understand it from the white house was moved by his story. d'souza today saying that the president in a phone call yesterday said he was a great voice for freedom, said that had he been treated unfairly, his words were that he had about, use the language, screwed and the president said that he had seen something fishy in this
case. what's notable it's not just this conservative commentator d'souza but also high profile personalities like martha stewart, also robb blagojevich, notably a democrat. it may not motor your party affiliation. he wlefs both of them were treated unfairly and harshly by the justice system and he is differing a message that he's open for business and he's willing to review any case that he likely thinks is worthy of being given a reprieve. we should note a white house official telling us yesterday the president is considering plenty of other people for pardons right now. they say there was nothing wrong about the way he went about this process with dinesh d'souza and they say it could happen again soon. >> peter alexander at the white house north lawn. peter, start my computer for me i'll see you over there in 25 minutes. >> it's going to be a hot one. >> thank you. joining me now is attorney who specializes in white collar criminal defense.
eugene and shawna are here too. jeff, if you're michael cohen, representing michael cohen and you see this, what are you thinking? >> i think the message is clear that what is happening is the pardon power's morphing into if you have been charged with something similar to what michael cohen can be charged with, what flynn was charged with, what manafort was charged with, you may be getting a pardon. i think the message is, hey, guys, don't cooperate, stay low, eventually we can help you out. >> do you think it is that explicit the thought process in the president's mind ore sees folks on fox news, he hears his pals on the phone talking about this and he wants ton please the people around him? >> i think it's more likely to be those advising and supporting trump trying to help him realize he should stay calm and not have much to worry about. i would be surprised if trump had come to this conclusion on his own. but i think it's interesting when you look at the individuals pardoned that the period in the past, three presidents, the number's much lower than what
trump's done. despite the fact he's repeatedly criticized past president for their pardoning. >>. >> he talks about the fairness factor. a wrong has been done and the president wants to correct it. i wonder if it's thinking about how can he correct wrongs done to him if that enters into the process. >> i'm not sure there's mastermind thing going on here. i think in some ways he can talk about unfairness, especially with rob blagojevich and martha institute wa stewart. >> they she had a spinoff. >> there's some relationship where he kind of knows their story. he also knows you meng these two people, rob blagojevich we covered exhaustively and martha stewart who was definitely covered exhaustively. >> she was all over the news. >> she went to jail. he knows that's catnip for everybody as well. he's like i have this power, i can dangle these things in front
of you and it will become part of the story. and also in the dinesh d'souza thing you get the ability to pardon somebody who is kind of a rock star in some cirque zwrls and in other circles is looked upon with disdain for things that he said. >> i think there's another issue. i think what he could be setting up is pardons for his family and ultimately himself. and if he pardons himself, that may end up in the supreme court because nobody has ever done that. but he could be making it as if, well, it's one of just a number of other pardons i've given, there's a lot of unfairness, our family's being treated unfairly, ooim i' i've been treated unfairly. >> that seems like a gigantic can of worms. you can talk about the process on this? because typically there's a formal statement put covered the obama administration when he was parding on some of these low-level drug ofders.
the >> there would be a whole list, an explanation, a process. i don't think that that process is totally out the door either tr it's just it's very rare that president obama without that doj process pardon someone. >> i think the process is out the door because i dealt with the process on behalf of a client. you do to the department of justice, you have to petition them. there's usually five years between the sentence and the -- and the pardon. >> when you start, right. >> yeah, you have to show remorse and so forth. that is out the door. we're going straight to the president here, there's no process at the department of justice. >> d'souza didn't show anything neither did arpaio. >> we're sliding all over the set today. up next we want to talk about samantha bee doing damage control about that rude comment for ivanka trump. a different comment canceled roseanne barr's show saying this
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before, they come to ca, they go to omb. in these days they come to me. and i make the call whether to let him know or not. just so happens last evening i let him know. >> zhnt go against the 1985 omb direct it zblif no. >> -- directive that says that no one should release what the fienldings the night before? >> no, and we didn't. no one revealed the numbers to the public. >> why would the president tell anybody to look at the jobs reported if it was going to be negative? >> you'll have to ask that. i have no idea. >> that's a logic thing. s that ju-- that's just common sense. why would the president tell all of america to look at the jobs numbers if they were not good? larry kudlow laughing that very reasonable question off, the head of the economic council there at the white house. he says does he not know if he
will let the president see the next jobs reports numbers early but he did say there was nothing wrong with those tweet teasing those numbers because he is the president, as kudlow put it, after all. we also learned this morning in that phone call between trump and the leader of trance, emmanuel macron, according to the french read outout of that conversation, macron told the president that new u.s. tariffs on the european, mexican, and canadian steel and aluminum are illegal and a mistake. remember that's interesting because of the very close relationship between president trump and emmanuel macron, he is one of the president's closest allies. the two have been very buddy-buddy. so tough words from a close pal. we are keeping an eye on all of those developments, we're keeping an eye on the market. weal we're also keeping an an eye on what the president is tweeting about, but also samantha bee. he says she should be fired after bee said this about his daughter on her show. >> do something about your dad's immigration practices, you
[ bleep ]. he listens to you. >> the president tweeting why aren't they firing no talent samantha bee for the horrible language used in her low-ratings show? a total double standard. bee took to twitter to apologize to ivanka trump writing it was inappropriate, inexcusable, i crossed the lined a deeply recorrect it. they also called her language vile inappropriate adding it should not have been aired. joining me now is anna marie cox, host of the podcast. with friends like these part of the crooked media network, eugene and shawna are here with me as well. anna, the white house, the president pointing to a double standard referencing the roseanne barr racist tweet that got her show canceled off a ton of outrage about that. what do you make of that argument? >> let's put it this way. do you think roseanne would have got fired if any called jared
what samantha bee called ivanka? i don't think she would have been. the president himself has called someone the c word. that was in fire and furry. my personal position on this is that if i had been samantha bee's position i don't think i would have used that word because the real insult in the passage is that it's -- and the real obscenity is the immigration policy she was comment pongt to use any other word in place of the c word would have made the point that she wanted to make. i also would point out as other women have pointed out, that the fact that we consider the "c" word to be one of the grossest things you can call somebody says what society thinks of women and to point out that the president is perfectly comfortable using this kind of lang wanld not just talking about weapomen's private parts
talking about them. there's a lot more vulgarity happening in the off office than late night television. that said, samantha bee did not favors by use the word. >> i want to play the allegations of sexual impropriety and sexual assault. she was out this morning and anna, was anning from comment i want to get your reaction to. >> it's an evident hypocrite cal double standard. roseanne barr lus loses her job. samantha bee thrives. she is not a feminist, she's a hateful provoccator that should not be given a platform. >> not a feminist, does that seem credible to you? >> no, it's not credible at all. i'll just point to the different standards here. one is the thing that what roseanne said has the weight of the dee hume nan nyzation of black people behind it and the thing that samantha bee said it
sps only a bad word because of how women review women. and she talks about women's reproductive organs all the time usually in celebration of them and the government's attempt to control people. i think she's definitely a feminist. that's crazy to say that she's not. i'm not a body language expert, but if i would say shawna thomas has a thing or two to say about this. >> i think one of the things is put a lot of this stuff aside. there's a cost benefit analysis for these comes. tbs in one case, abc in another. roseanne barr went out as someone in her personal capacity on twitter and called valerie -- compared her to a gorilla in her personal capacity. abc say large company, is her show and the viewers and the dollars we get worth the back lash we are going to get from so many people, whether that be african american groups, cl wl
th -- whether that be allied white groups, is it worth it to keep her on the air? the san man th-- samantha bee show, her audience likes this and it was done late at night. if more companies pull their ads from her show, she might be in trouble. so much up this is a money ratio. more people might start watching samantha bee, i know it sounds crazy, but they might. >> can i ask you about -- real quick, anna, go ahead. >> i was going to say that also roseanne barr, it wasn't one tweet, it was a history of awful things that she saend crazy behaviors that she said in the is the final straw for abc. samantha bee has been the jewel of the network. she has a great show.
she's done great reporting on puerto rico for example. this was a bleep on their radar where roseanne had a res maf hate to back her up on that. >> there is a double standard on the part of president trump who is demanding napologies for all of this and this is a person who did not apologize, i want to get eugene on this, very notably has not apology dolla not apologized to 450 people in the public sphere. how does that play into this? >> they talk about a double standard in the white house but it's one they are implementing. he has called american football play -- >> wasn't kelly sadler supposed to apologize to john mccain? >> that didn't happen and when they called hillary clinton the "c" word and the "b" word arnt "w" word in one sentence, he was invite to the white house. >> that's a lot of letters. thank you for that. anna marie cox, thank you for joining us. shawna thomas, you will be
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signed, sealed and soon to be delivered to the white house, kim jong-un's personal message to president trump. handed off later today by kim i don't think alcohol. what -- kim yong-chol? what will the letter say? not even the president knows for sure. >> i don't know. i don't know. but if you know, steve, let me know. okay? i think it will be very positive. i think it will be positive. >> it may be positive. it may not. we don't know. we could find out more today on what exactly is in that letter. and whether the june 12th summit in singapore might be one step closer to reality. mike pompeo says so far he's pleased from the progress after the two days of talks with kim i don't think -- kim jong-un's
right hand man. with us, we have a panel to talk about it. a lot of titles for you both. i'm thrilled to have you here. let me start off with what do you think is in this letter from kim jong-un? a week ago president trump in his note to kim jong-un said, hey, do not hesitate to call me or write me. apparently kim jong-un is not hesitating to do that. >> my guess would be kim jong-un if he's smart, and i think he is smart, and he has good intelligence agents and the chinese whispering to him, he'll flatter the president. he'll say yes, we should work together because only the two of us can solve this national security crisis, if you lo, or dilemma, and bing peace to the korean peninsula. i think he's ignoring trump saying we have a bigger nuclear arsenal and be smooth talking. >> first, we don't know, but both sides desperately want this
meeting to take place. i think president trump threw him off their game when he threw him off the meeting. it's not going to be provocative. he has easily achievable goals, kim jong-un. he wants to be recognized as a nuclear power. he has already gotten that, essentially. he wants to be recognized as a global lead bier by sitting dow with trump. he wants to clearly get economic restraints relieved, and finally i think he wants the u.s. out of south korea and probably out of japan too. so he'll -- >> not quite so achievable? >> i agree. and what he'll never do is denuclear. the idea of denukes isn't happening. >> john brennan echoed that this morning on "morning joe" talking about that being a realistic possibility or not. coming after kim jong-un, said overnight, he'll recommit to denuclearization. that is a song and dance we've
heard before. here he is. >> the north koreans i think will want to have this summit, but i and many others believe they have no intention at this point of denuclearizing? >> why believe kim now when a week and a half ago he said he was into it, and then he said just kid, not going to do it. >> the president, he said this is a process. and that's the answer. >> there may be more meetings after this. >> right. the risk is as the general said, what kim jong-un wants, more than anything else is recognition on the world stage, one, that he's the leader of north korea and he's going to stay there. second, that he's a nuclear power. we're giving that to him. that's some risk for the president. normally that would happen at the end once you have the complete nuclear verifiable irreversible denuclearization, then they meet. the risk is he gets what he
wants and then does the north korean, i change my mind. >> right after the show, i often say it's going to be a sprint before this meeting happens, we don't know the details about where, how, but we know that kim yong-chol will be here. the last time we saw it was in 2000 when they sat down with bill clinton. gave him a letter as well. kim yong-chol is not a good dude. >> this guy's a murder. >> and he's going to be at the white house. >> no question. but he's a trusted agent. anyone who can survive that long in north korea is a crafty lad. i think he wants to deliver a conference, and at the end of the day, the only thing the north koreans aren't going to do is denuke and entertain a human rights question. >> why bother with these talks? >> i think some good can come out of it. we can lower the tensions in the
korean peninsula if we keep japan and south korea engaged and the australians and the chinese. >> good point. >> general, evelyn, it's so nice to have you guys here. thank you for coming on. we're keeping an eye on what's happening with president trump. he's heading to the coast guard. this is a live look. you can see him. he'll be delivering remarks at the top of the hour. we'll check in with that as the morning goes on. before we wrap up, we'll end as always with today's big picture. out in the bay area, a picture you probably have seen floating around the internet this morning because it's lebron james completely up and arms. he's not happy with j.r. smith. that's because late in game one of the nba finals, he lost track of the score. didn't get a shot up on time, sent the game into overtime and the cavs lost. the internet lost it with the picture. endless memes about what lebron might have been yelling.
caption contest, send your best captions to me. later tonight on nightly news with lester holt, i'll see you. over to stephanie ruhle. i'll never yell at you like that. >> hallie jackson, i will never dispute that lebron james is the king, there's no one like him, but the golden state warriors are going to take this thing all the way to the end with draymond green, and steph curry. >> you love steph curry. i didn't know you were so into basketball. >> yours truly once had a basketball shootout with steph with your curry. for the one time in my life, i had five baskets. >> we'll kind that video and talk about it next week. >> all right. i'll see you later. good morning, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle. robbery is still away. but fret not. he'll be back on monday. it's friday, june 1st. let's try to get a little smarter. this morning the labor department is