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tonight on "all in." >> a letter was given to me by kim jong-un. it was a very interesting letter. >> president trump agrees to meet an adversary without precondition. >> i haven't seen the letter yet. i purposely didn't open the letter >> while spurning america's allies. >> they are our allies, but they take advantage of us economically. >> tonight how donald trump is turning america's relationship with the world upside down. then -- >> it's important that were serving in this capacity that everyone is a good steward of taxpayer money. >> the new propaganda push to
safe scott pruitt. >> scott pruitt is standing strong in his job. >> plus, new evidence of a russian attempt to hack state voter systems. and rebecca trayce traister on the # glaring difference between samantha bee and roseanne barr. >> americans are finally paying attention. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes with two big foreign policy moves just today, the president is turning away from the western democracies that have for decades been america's closest allies, aligning the u.s. instead with autocrats and strongmen who practice the type of leadership that this president admires. in the process he is reshaping our relationship to the rest of the world. the president announced today his june 12th summit is back on fulfilling a long time goal. north koreans meeting with the u.s. president without securing concessions in return. the announcement came after the president welcomed a top aide of kim jong-un to the white house
later bragging to the press corps about their strong relationship. >> it was actually very interesting because this was literally going to be the delivery of a letter and it ended up being a two-hour conversation with the second most powerful man in north korea. i think the relationship we have right now with north korea is as good as it's been in a long time. they had no relationship under the previous administration. there was nothing. >> it's a slightly strange attitude it might seem to have about one of the world's most prepressive totalitarian regimes. if you paid attention you know the president has a certain respect for kim jong-un. >> this guy, this -- he's like a maniac. okay? and you got give him credit. how many young guys, he was like 26 or 25 when his father died, take over these tough generals and all of a sudden, it's amazing when you think of it. how does he do that even though it's a cultural thing, he goes in and takes over and he's the boss.
it's incredible. he wiped out the uncle, this one, that one. this guy doesn't play games. >> boom, boom, he's killing everybody. you have got to tip your hat to him. the president expressed similar regard for putin, duterte, erdogan, even xi jinping, mohammad solomon, even saddam hussein who got a frequent shoutout on the campaign trail. at the same time he's embracing closer relations with dictators, the president is systematically eroding the united states's most important alliances. at midnight last night, new steel and aluminum tariffs went into effect against our closest foreign allies, canada, mexico, and the european union. >> to be honest with you, they cannot believe that they've gotten away with this for so many decades. they're our allies but they take advantage of us economically. i think we have a good chance of doing some great trade deals that will make america great again, right. >> u.s. allies strongly
condemned the move and announced plans to retaliate, raising the prospect of a damaging trade war. justin trudeau slammed the tariffs in a new interview with nbc's chuck todd. >> the idea that our soldiers who had fought and died together on the beaches of world war ii and the mountains of afghanistan and have stood shoulder to shoulder in some of the most difficult places in the world that are always there for each other somehow this is insulting to them. the idea that the canadian steel that's in military vehicles in the united states, the canadian aluminum that makes your fighter jets is somehow now a threat, the fact that -- next week we're hosting the g-7 summit of world leaders and the airfield the military base that air force one is going to land in was put there in world war ii to protect an aluminum smelter that was providing to the military effort. the idea that we are somehow a national security threat to the
united states is quite frankly insulting and unacceptable. >> the new tariffs come exactly one year since the president announced plans to withdraw from the paris climate agreement the u.s. is now the only nation on earth to reject the climate pact. the tariffs come a few weeks since the president butted out -- pulled out of the iran nuclear deal. days later, the president of the european council wrote looking at the latest decisions of donald trump, someone could think with friends like that, who needs enemies. to help break down the way president trump is changing the american role in the world, ted liu joins us. first i guess your reaction to when's tariffs do to america's relationship with some of its closest allies. >> thank you, chris, for your question. it's clear that donald trump is much more comfortable with autocrats and nondemocracies such as russia and china. at the same time, offending our own allies such as canada, mexico, and then the entire european union. what's disturbing there doesn't
seem to be any long-term strategic policy. the president wakes up one day and says he's going to do tariffs. a few days later he's going to exempt all these countries. now we learned easy not going to exempt those countries. it's very erratic and making allies think we are an unstable partner and that is not helpful to the united states. >> one thing here, just to be clear on there. the reason justin trudeau referenced this. it's important for people to understand what's going on here. the reason that the executive, the white house, the article two branch of the constitution can unilaterally impose these tariffs is under a national security provision. so the logic that must follow is that there might be a war with canada in which we couldn't use their steel and aluminum. and is there any person in the world who thinks that is true? >> not at all. and in fact, the law was put in place to deal with situations that look nothing like this one. canada is one of america's oldest and strongest allies. by the way, the president just
makes things up. he keeps saying somehow canada is taking advantage of the united states. the u.s. actually has a $13 billion trade surplus with canada. we wrote a letter to u.s. trade representative who actually says the u.s. has a trade surplus with canada. we asked the trade representative to say that's not true. he has not done that. we're going to assume that is still a true fact. >> right. so first of all, we have a trade surplus with canada. we're not going to go to war with them and not use their aluminum and steel. the question is, congress should wrench back the power. honestly, this seems an obvious abrogation of congressional power here. >> you have bipartisan outrage against what donald trump is doing. speaker ryan, mitch mcconnell, a number of democrats have all said this is stupid the way that the president is doing this. and we know it's really quite insane when both u.s. steel companies and u.s. steelworkers oppose the tariffs on canada and
then the aluminum association opposes trump's tariffs on aluminum against these other countries. there's no one supporting these tariffs. >> that's a good point. we had leo juriard who is a head of the steel worker's union, who is a supporter of the idea of tariffs on imports of metals from china even he opposes tariffs on canada. there is no one as far as i can tell aside from literally the president of the united states making the case for that. >> absolutely true. something else to consider, i don't think the president understands that the world order that was created as dominating the world and the economy benefits the united states. we're at the center of it as are western democracies. when we don't work with allies, countries like russia and china are happy about that. it's already pushed other countries who were our allies to work with countries like china and russia. so, for example, japan and china have now held their first trade talks in over eight years precisely because japan views america as an unreliable partner.
>> putin critic garry kasparov tweeting in january 2017, i gave putin in's wish list to explain what he most wanted from trump. trump blew it up, a trade war with nato allies was number two. thank you for joining me. >> for more on the president's turn away from american allies i'm joined by ambassador wendy sherman, and former congressman mickey edwards who represented oklahoma as a republican. >> wendi, i want your reaction to watching what happened at the white house today where the president rolls out the red carpet for a representative of north korea which again, peace talks and north korea seem like substantively might be the right thing to do on the same day he's declaring a trade war against our closest allies. >> indecember -- indeed, chris. i just returned this afternoon from europe. my last stop was in paris. and we heard from the french finance minister that the g-7
that comes up the 8 skptd tand of june is really a g-6 plus one with the u.s. being the outlier. i would not be surprised if the president doesn't go to the g-7 in canada but sends vice president pence instead. he'll probably say he has to get ready for the singapore summit and how can he face all of these folks in canada? i've got to tell you, i was in europe as these tariffs came through. and people were just gobsmacked and ready to retaliate because they've just had enough. >> that's interesting. there's also, mickey, it seems to me a kind of dispositional aspect to this. president really has affection for strong men. this is a consistent part of his personality. i want to play a little bit of sound of him praising them and get your reaction how that's orienting american policy at the moment. take a listen. >> and i think i would have a very, very good relationship with putin, and i think i would have a very, very good relationship with russia. the man has very strong control over a country. it's a very different system and i don't happen to like the system.
but certainly in that system, he's been a leader far more than our president has been a leader. >> china's great and xi is a great gentleman. he's now president for life. president for life. no, he's great. and look, he was able to do that. i think it's great. maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day. >> saddam hussein was a bad guy. right? he was a bad guy. really bad guy. but you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. he did that so good. they didn't read him the rights. they didn't talk. they were a terrorist. it was over. >> what do you think of that, mickey? >> well, he killed terrorists. he also killed his own people. you know, donald trump has a love for authoritarians because that's the way he thinks. he thinks you're supposed to have an strong man at the top and that strong man makes decisions and you're supposed to
carry them out or who knows what will happen. he seemed very happy with the way the people who were not on board got dealt with in north korea. but you know, the problem, chris, is not just what the president's doing. i was listening to the segment with ted where you were talking about it. he was talking about the fact that the president is unpredictable and it's not a good policy and all these people are against it including republicans, as well. but that's not the point. you know, the constitution very clearly says article one, section 8, subsection 3, the congress is in charge of regulating foreign commerce. all of our commerce with other nations. so it's congress not doing its job, not just donald trump. >> wendi, i keep thinking about this point which there's a fundamental problem which is democratic qualities in the g-7 countries have to respond to domestic public opinion as opposed to donald trump. they don't like donald trump. places like turkey or saudi
arabia or russia or china don't have to do that. there's like a structural advantage to nondemocracies in sort of bribing and flattering this president. >> indeed. i think people have seen if you just give him a little sugar, it goes a very long way. i think the other thing we're seeing here, chris, is he's really trying to do a little bit of a kamikaze kind of act here. i think he believes if he puts pressure on europe that europe will then follow through on sanctions on iran but what he doesn't understand is europe has leverage, as well. he's not the only one who has leverage. i think the europeans will retaliate. the next time he needs europe, europe will be slow to come forward. it's interesting as much as he hates multilateralism and the or, e -- the oecd meeting which
just happened in paris, indeed the u.s. said don't want that word anywhere in the communique. he's using multilateralism in this summit in singapore. it wouldn't be happening without south korea or china. wouldn't be happening without japan. >> mickey, there's the fact there's going to be economic effects of this. cnbc did analysis of the ways in which the savings from the tax cut, which for working people is already quite quite slender will be entirely eaten up if the retaliatory tariffs go into effect. >> chris, in 1930, we imposed the smoot/hawley tariffs that resulted in cutting u.s. exports to other countries by more than half. and they made the great depression even worse. you know, these other countries aren't going to just sit there and take it. so they may be our allies. they maybe our friends, but they also care about their own citizens and their own economy. and think are going to retaliate. it's not going to be you know, donald trump's going to get hurt.
it's americans who work in fiscal trees all across this country. american who have to buy products. >> every politician has their own youngstown and their own factories. great to have you both. >> thank you, chris. >> still ahead, audacious piece of propaganda rolled out at local news stations across the country to stave scott pruitt. first a look at new evidence showing exactly how russia tried to hack into actual voting systems in 2016. we've got the actual e-mail here in two minutes. that goes into making our thinnest longest lasting blades on the market. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. it's about delivering a more comfortable shave every time. invented in boston, made and sold around the world. now starting at $7.99. gillette. the best a man can get.
>> mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer and i sent a letter to the secretaries of state before the election saying heads up, be on the watchout. something's happening. guard your data. we all knew this before the election. we all knew russia was trying to meddle with our election. >> view of the party leaders has been russia was determined to interfere in the 2016 election. we have an example what one of
those attempts looked like. here's an e-mail published by "the intercept" that russia hackers used to try to break into state voting is systems appeared to be from an election venr and came with a word attachment that when open would give russian hackers control over the computer in question. whether they succeeded in changing data inside the systems, that's a question for the person who broke the story. joining me now is reporter sam biddle whose story was published today, and malcolm nance terrorism analyst and author of "the plot to hack america." first, sam, talk what you found and what the significance is. >> right off the bat, the e-mail is amazingly simple. it's only a couple lines of text coming from a g mail account which isn't exactly the most devious smoke and mirrors approach. but i think most troubling was the response from the company vr systems. they aren't really sure who opened this e-mail and whether
it worked, which is two years after the fact not what you want to hear. >> meaning this got sent out to a bunch of state election systems. >> correct. >> we know that for a fact? >> the nsa assessed it was well over a hundred. >> we don't know who opened. >> correct. >> i guess i want some definitive ruling. there's always the reporting where they attempted to gain entry into state voter files. i also want a definitive ruling, were they successful? did they get in there? did they change data? do we have an answer to that? >> no. and it's been two years since this happened. almost two years. it will be two years in november. >> malcolm that strikes me as remarkable. >> it's remarkable because everyone refuses to do an audit on their systems after that election. look, i got into an exchange with the former florida state secretary of state when i made the assertion that florida's subcontractor had apparently been one of these systems that was penetrated. and they denied it.
i mean hard. but so long as you're denying it, you will assume nothing is wrong. we have to assume from a counter intelligence and counter cyber warfare perspective that something happened and it needs to be checked. >> yeah. i guess the other issue is here is like -- this is trust a phishing e-mail? am i right? >> the same kind someone would use to get your youtube or netflix log in or your bank account. >> pretty simple stuff can have big effects. this is the john podesta phishing e-mail. hi, john, someone tried to use your google account. google stopped the sign in attempt, you should change your passwo password immediately. that's what led to the. >> the simple ones work. >> which is another reason to think someone clicked on that malware. >> we would love to know the answer. >> i guess i feel like this is a more urgent question than it's
been treated, malcolm. were state voter systems comprised. were they compromised? and by who? do people still have access to them? was any data within them changed. there are no answers, apparently. >> there are no answers and they don't want to have answers. we're about to go into an election season with the exact same systems in place with also you have to remember you have half a country that doesn't believe any of this took place and has no legitimacy. >> right. >> so we're in trouble. >> yes, i think something that was really telling is when i went to vr systems, the vendor in question. >> they service election software. >> yeah, they service a handful of states including swing states like virginia and north carolina. he when i went to them to ask about the e-mail, they put me in touch with basically a hr person. there's a lot of face saving going on. that's plane why we're not getting answers here. vr systems is a business.
they're not accountable to voters. >> is there oversight in place from a computer and tech security standpoint to make sure malcolm used the word audit. is there some protocol in place, have states implemented something where they are g to check to make sure the # security on these systems meets some set of standards? >> there is nothing nationally that has been done in a rigorous manner. i think a lot of this is left to the states and the individual counties to do their best on a county by county basis. but that's clearly lacking because we still don't have answers in june, 2018. >> there's also malcolm, it seems to me, the vulnerabilities are pretty obvious just because the way american voting works is if you want to help one side or the other, you kind of can know which precincts to go after and mess with. >> that's true. but you have to understand that the american system of voting is actually very, very difficult to get to hack in one particular space. i mean, there are systems used every county, every precinct can use a different system. you notice they went after voter
registration. we first heard the story about 20 months ago. i immediately recognized the threat. they don't have to actually hack the voter tallies. they can disqualify people from coming to the polls. and disenfranchise tens of thousands of people if they wanted to by simply changing your zip code. >> you're shaking your head. >> it's completely right. a lot of people think of the great cyber threat to voting as ballot stuffing, digital ballot stuffing. > or changing yeses to noes. >> all you need to do is make it hard to get -- to cast your ballot. if your name isn't on the list inexplicably, the whole system is going to get gummed up and you may not get to vote that day. >> the point i was making is that the way american voting works is you could pick 100 precincts in virginia where you know if you knock out 10% of the names you're knocking out republican or democratic voters because of the clustering of voters. >> that could be just as
effective as preventing votes from being cast in the first place. >> if you could wave a magic wand, what would you do here? >> i would have a giant national public/private partnership where we took the threat seriously where we used the 2016 model and extrapolate all of those little probe scans and attempts are part of a large scale foreign adversary active measure. and then we would attack it directly. >> sam biddle and malcolm e, thanks for joining us. up next, the trump world defense of scott pruitt. the local news stations were forced to run it. >> these distractions, these issues that we've dealt with largely i think have emanated from the great work we've been doing. >> here's the bottom line. scott pruitt is standing strong in his job.
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a crazy bit of breaking news. scott pruitt is still employed. he remains in his position as administrator of the epa despite 12 separate federal investigations and an almost comical mountain of evidence of corruption and shady dealing. the president who campaigned on a message of drain the swamp because he said the crowds liked it when he said that, now says pruitt has his full confidence. this week sinclair broadcasting stepped in to help. forearm trump campaign aide boris epstein conducted an interview with pruitt so propagandaistic, it would almost be hilarious if so many television stations hadn't been forced to run it. here's a portion of that two-minute piece. >> epa administrator scott pruitt has dealt with his share of controversies in his time at
the agency. the criticisms have centered on pay raises for his subordinates and alleged misuse of taxpayer funds to pay for travel and security. here's what administrator pruitt had to say. >> well, look, i care so much about taxpayer money it's what i've done historically when i served at the state level. it's important to serve in this capacity that everyone is a good steward of taxpayer money but these distractions, these issues that we've dealt with largely i think have emanated from the great work we've been doing. so i'm trying to learn from there process and make sure the agency applies different checks and balances in the # future but continue to focus on getting results at the same time. >> making some of those changes to make sure there's more oversight. >> absolutely. we should. >> here's the bottom line, scott pruitt is standing strong in his job. >> you got that everyone. according to media matters the interview was aired in two short segments, the first one ran at 35 news stations in 20 states and the seconds will be shown at stations around the country.
allison cory zone, and a former white house liaison for -- and lisa green join me now. it is like there's a way in which it's propagandaistic aesthetically and heavy handed, but this is going out all over the place, right. >> that's why i think everyone should beware of sinclair. most people still trust their local news. it's insidious when they're running segments like that. the consumers of it are not assuming that boris epstein is connected to the trump campaign and in many ways that could be their first exposure to scott pruitt or their most significant exposure to his long history of scandals. that's why it's so insidious and damaging. >> dan as a former person who worked in this space in the obama administration what, goes through your mind when you read about pruitt. >> i wish i could say it was surprising when the $1500 fountain and staying at a
lobbyist's home, but it's par for the course. what is terrifying is not this piece, but the fact that a.p. reporters were kicked out of a safe drinking water summit while the pay raises mentioned in the story were given to employees who were supposed to be experts in the field positions given to the epa as part of the safe water drinking act and instead used to give $30,000, $40,000 raises for his folks from oklahoma because he wants to the reward his political people to help him advance his career. it's troubling when flint drinking water is still not safe now. >> to the dan's point, there's another foia request that unearthed 12 silver fountain pens that came in at the low low price of $1,560 for the 12 fountain pens, about 130 bucks a pop. i'm not doing that in my head. i wrote that down. there's a connection between the president and pruitt. pruitt is kind of a mini trump
in this respect. what trump is showing is that you just -- if you are shameless enough and you just stay at it, political, legal, and media problems can just be staved off. >> if you repeat your message often enough to a friendly outlet, the truth starts to dissipate. i'll tell you something about the pens. $1300 pens. you might think what a waste of taxpayer money. what pruitt can use them for ably is to hand them to his friends like the lobbyist whose wife rented him the apartment, his firm needed to update their disclosure firms. in fact, he had lobbies the epa. take that pen and write that down. or the # staffer who pruitt arguably ought to pay for working on government time your taxpayer dollars and mine to help him with real estate. three senators have asked account inspector general to look into that. pens are more practical than you might think. >> yes, he should hand it to steven hart. this came out today, steven hart
whose wife rented a condo to scott pruitt and who said no business before the agency no, business before the agency. swore up and down. everyone swore up and down and told us they released statement after statement saying no business. guess what, you'll never guess what. they had business before the agency. scotts pruitt, they lobbied the agency for three clients last year, apparently contradicting his claim he hadn't represented clients during the trump administration and he has never given an interview on unfriendly outlets, so pruitt never has to answer a question on that because he will only go to friendly outliers -- outlets. >> and that actually underscores not only how corrupt pruitt is but how propagandaistic this segment was. in his first year, scott pruitt did 16 interviews with fox news. 16. seven with on cable on all the other cable news channels more than twice as much as anywhere else and did he an interview with ed henry. all fox news did was ask him
about in some of the 42 scandals and instances of ethical corruption and he didn't do any news media for two months and pops up on sinclair because that's the only place willing to do the kind of sanitizing for him. the only ones that won't ask him the basic questions about his scandals. he's too toxic for even fox. >> ed henry did go after him a little bit. dan, do you have faith? there's a bunch of these investigations, some happening at the congressional level and some at the ig's office. clearly the people in the building have turned against him. do you have faith we'll see some accountability. >> i think there might be. one, the ig is excellent. that staff is excellent. the career staff at epa are driven by science and the law. that will continue to be a problem for scott pruitt. the biggest problem he has with trump and he is a mini trump and that protects him to a grade -- to a great degree, but the fact that he's not advancing the agenda as much as perhaps the interests of the oil and natural gas industry wanted, they've been sort of
bumbly on some of their rollbacks on regulations more of an incompetent villain than you would have expected. that could become a problem for him with trump if he feels like he's not delivering the clip shots they thought would be easy to get done. >> there's something about quantity for all of pruitt's attempt to be a mini trump, scandal caused by left wing attention to now outliers dated unnecessary regulations that would protect our environment. as he also points out in the interview, we're doing a great job protecting the environment. and spending taxpayer money wisely. 12 investigations is not bean ball. it's not just the ig. but congress in its own way is sticking on the plan, these three senators who now want to look at the staffers' use of government time. the drum beat is continuing. >> i think there's possible legal exposure in some of the disclosure forms on the lobbyist side which may also catch up to him. i will say that to cap off this
day, that there's now a plan circulating in the trump administration that comes out of the department of energy to mandate the company to buy energy from coal companies to keep them afloat to bail out coal that is possibly going forward which has become the apotheosis of all the policy rationales someone like pruitt still has the job he has. thank you. >> all right. still to come, rebecca traister says the difference between roseanne barr and samantha bee is that samantha bee was right. she will be here. doesn't really say that. kind of says that coming up. first tonight's thing 1, thing 2 is next. have you smelled this
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on tuesday roseanne barr's racist tweet got her show immediately canceled. one day later comedian samantha bee used a vulgarity to refer to ivanka trump, prompting the white house to condemn bee in the strongest terms, even as they largely gave barr a pass, not surprisingly. in a statement sarah huckabee sanders said, "the language use
the by samantha bee last night is vile and vicious. the collective silence by the left and its media allies is appalling. her disgusting comments and show are not fit for broadcast and executives at time warner and tbs must demonstrate that such explicit profanity about female members of this administration will not be condoned on its network." joining me now, rebecca traister, a writer at large at new york magazine who wrote about her very different opinion from the white house on this subject. rebecca, what is the thrust of your feeling on this entire thing? >> well, i mean, this is an administration that is always seeking to portray itself as being persecuted, right? so in sarah huckabee sanders, i liked her dramatic rendition of it in her sort of, you know, all of the fulminating about, you know, the injury that has been done to ivanka trump and to this administration. there is the seeking to portray themselves as the powerless entity when in fact the bit that samantha bee was doing on "full
frontal" was very sharp and yes, very vulgarly worded critique of the trump -- the horrific, vile, vicious, to use some of sarah huckabee sanders' adjectives, policy of separating immigrants from their children, in many cases asylum seekers from their young children, from often their babies. it was an incredibly powerful critique of ivanka -- of that policy and of ivanka trump's social media performance around that policy which involved her posting a picture of her happily embracing her young son. a total sort of horrifying contrast to the kinds of images that were in the press in the same time period. that was ivanka trump's choice to post that -- the social media picture, and it was samantha bee's choice to go after her very hard. she did use a word that has misogynistic roots that is often used, you know, as a sort of, in
a way to disparage and diminish women and insult them, but she used it actually to critique a woman who herself is working in support of the kind of white patriarchal power that is causing grievous physical emotional, familial economic harm to women and their families and their children are of course many of whom are not white. >> am i wrong, though, that -- my feeling on this is basically i hate that word generally, i really think it was a bad idea to use that word, i'm glad she apologized. it's bad. you're bad, throw a flag, penalty, apologize for your use of the word. or do you think that's just justifiable in context? >> well, you know, here's the thing. i actually have some personal affection for that word, but i try not to use it because i understand that it offends people and that it has been wielded to do damage to women. i understand a feminist critique of that word, a feminist
objection to samantha bee using it, and i think she's acknowledged that. by the way, let me just say, that is a word that donald trump is alleged to have used -- >> oh, yeah. >> -- three times that we know of. once again sally yates, once against a reporter who was reporting on his financial dealings, and then once according to the woman who came forward and said that he groped her on a plane many years ago, when he saw her later at a party he said oh, you're that c word from the plane. right? so as long as he's out there tweeting this morning, by the way, about how that language was so vulgar and it should get samantha bee fired, which by the way as the president is a first amendment violation -- >> creepy and authoritarian. >> to suggest the firing -- talk about a power abuse. but this is also a word and language that he has reportedly trafficked in. >> totally. >> many times before. and again, in service of exactly how that word has been used to do damage historically, the misogynistic and sexist reading
of it. >> yeah. >> which is patriarchal power used to diminish and hurt women. that's how donald trump has reportedly deployed it in the past against women who've challenged him or rejected him. samantha bee, a feminist comedian, was using it to attack a power abuse, a woman who was participating in that patriarchal and racist power abuse that is being undertaken via the policies of her father's administration. and it's not just her father. she works in the administration. she has full security clearance. this is not -- i see people online saying oh, if it were chelsea. if chelsea had full security clearance and was working as an adviser in her parents' administration, then there would be a comparison. ivanka trump is a representative of donald trump's administration. and so when she is posting that image in the midst of a news cycle about his incredibly barbaric and horrifying immigration practices, she is
subject to critique. >> oh, yes. >> and yes, the word may have gone too far. it is a word that has been used on that show before. samantha bee has used it before. no one has gone nuts about it. >> that's interesting. yeah. i guess my only point is precisely what you said. the fact that donald trump is the kind of person who deploys that word about women is precisely the reason that i have the feelings about that word. like for exactly the reasons you're saying, right? that is exactly why. and obviously, it's being used differently here. that is the reason why that word i just feel like -- >> and of course there is a history in fact of people who take language, reappropriate it, people who have been damaged. representatives. people who've been damaged by words taking them, reappropriating them, deploying them in sort of transgressive ways rather than oppressive ways. and that's part of what samantha bee was doing, not just the other night but has done in the past by reappropriating that word. again, she's used it before.
>> that's a good point. >> and she is a known feminist comedian who is operating on behalf of women challenging patriarchal and racist power abuses. that doesn't -- i'm not saying good on her for using the word. i agree with you that it was a mistake. in part, as she herself said, there were reports of a speech she gave i believe last night in which she said look, we spent this whole day talking about this bad word and not about the terrible policy. so i think strategically it was an error. and i understand why some people feel that it was, you know, a feminist error too. you know, but that's part of what she's doing. there is a history of taking words that have been used as weapons against less powerful people and wielding them against the powerful who have used them. and that's part of the tradition that samantha bee was working in. >> rebecca traister, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> before we go, a reminder our new podcast "why is this happening" is live and available wherever you get your podcasts. makes for some good weekend listening. lots of really fun interesting
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