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show, an incredible piece by tom brokaw. it will be great to hear tom brokaw and hear from his voice on this. our senior producer has a book out. and michael beshlosh wille joining us. a big show tomorrow, looking back 50 years. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika, thanks, joe. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover today, starting with in hot water. paul manafort accused of sending encrypted notes to potential witnesses encouraging them to lie. mueller now looking to revoke his bail. >> somebody who is willing to tamper with witnesses is not rationally thinking enough to understand that cooperating is perhaps his best end game here. >> tired of winning? the president cancels a visit from the super bowl champion eagles after reports that less than a dozen players were going
to show up. the president blames the anthem protests. >> he's saying it's not me they're rejecting, i america. when, in fact -- >> these players don't like president trump. >> here's a fact. not one single philadelphia eagle took a knee or stayed in the locker room during the national anthem this past season. and a taxing fight. the republican billionaire koch brothers square off against the republican president over mr. trump's new tariffs and potential impacts. we begin today with the president's former campaign manager, now facing jail time for allegedly trying to get potential witnesses to lie on his behalf. so how does this fit into mueller's investigation? i have a great team here to break all of it down. but first, let me explain why this is important to you and me. remember, paul manafort is the highest ranking member from president trump's campaign team to be indicted. and these new allegations mean
he could be sent to prison even before his trial begins. it is important to note manafort is note facing charges on anything connected to the campaign or to president trump. instead, he was originally accused of illegally lobbying on belf of pro rsian political figures in ukraine and now accused of witness tampering. manafort already faces up to 80 years behind bars on a list of charges including conspiracy, money laundering and lying to federal investigators. but now federal prosecutors are accusing mr. manafort of going a step further. new documents from the fbi allege over the past several months manafort repeatedly reached out otential witnesses. at least one of them says it appeared to them manafort was trying to get them to lie about their lobbying efforts. now mueller is asking a judge to revoke manafort's bail which could land him behind bars until his trial gets under way this fall. remember, this is a guy that the
president had running his campaign during a crucial period. i'm talking about the rnc inhe summer of 2016. it didn't last there. it didn't last long, excuse me. manna port joined the campaign in march of 2016 and was the campaign chairman by the middle of may. but he was fired just three months later when his ties to ukraine were revealed in "the new york times." the president has been trying to distance himself from manafort ever since. >> i know mr. manafort. haven't spoken to him in a long time, but i know him. he was with the campaign, as you know, for a very short period of time. but i've always known him to be a good man. >> but the truth is, we do not know a lot about their relationship. they've been operating in close circles since the 1980s and share longtime mutual friends like roger stone. but manafort had been largely off the president's radar at least until sunday. that's when the president suddenly brought up his old campaign manager in new tweets.
again trying to minimize his role in the campaign, but also accusing the justice deparent of, quote, doing a number on him. i want to bring in nbc investigations reporter tim winter. we need to -- we need to first say that mr. manafort, tom, has pleaded not guilty. what is this new evidence against mr. manafort and what does it all mean? >> there's two cases going on against paul manafort. there's one in the district of columbia. there's one in the eastern district of virginia. he faces indictments in both. in the d.c. case last night, there's a filing from the prosecutors. and they say there was witness tampering that paul manafort attempted to do by reaching out to two former individuals that were involved in a lobbying group. he reached out to them at various different times and also through an intermediary, somebody he's worked with before, in an attempt to tell them, hey, i've told people here your work was only in europe when, in fact, both men and
manafort knew their work was also here in the united states. one of the reasons manafort faces the troubles he does is because there was lobbying work that's occurring here in the united states without him or his group and his representatives filing a registration with the department of justice saying hey, we're acting on behalf of a foreign agent. we're acting on behalf of a foreign government. so that's whatappened last night. the fbi says they were able to get corroboration and evidence on this from paul manafort's i-cloud, they were able to get a search warrant to get in there and look at his toll logs -- >> isn't this the judge that was really tough on mueller's team? >> the judge they primarily filed this with is in district of columbia in d.c. a virginia judge. >> another reason that's important is because if the judge here does in fact revoke his bail, essentially sends him to jail until and through his trial in d.c., that means that even if his trial is held this summer in the eastern district
of virginia and he's acquitted of his charges in the eastern district of virginia, he stays in jail. he has to stay in jail through the conclusion of the d.c. case. if he's acquitted there, then he's out of jail. if he is in fact found guilty, he'll face a sentence. this is something that has potential ramifications far beyond his trial this summer. it could easily go into the fall if the judge, in fact, revokes his bail. >> ramifications beyond his summer plans. after paul manafort was fired from the trump campaign, he went on vacation to europe with tom barrett. i think they even went to turkey. i want to bring in my panel, ned price, a former nfc spokesperson. noelle kampore. ned, i want to start with you, what is your reaction? >> we have to remember this isn't the first time paul manafort has been accused of violating his bail.
he ghost wrote an op-ed, putting a warm light on his lobbying work. so this is not a good day for paul manafort. certainly facing the prospect of jail time. in some ways, these developments are worse for president donald trump. paul manafort is really the last man standing. michael flynn has flipped. george papadopoulos is cooperating. gates is cooperating with authorities. manafort so far has held strong. but the prospect of jail time, especially for someone who's used to a fairly lavish lifestyle, the prospect of jail time could be the straw that breaks manafort's back when it comes to an inducement to actually cooperate with prosecutors. >> what's your big takeaway with the affidat? >> good morning. i'll tell you, things went from bad to much worse for paul manafort. here's why.
he's already indicted both in the eastern district of virginia and here in washington, d.c. for the last0 years up until last friday, i've been a federal promise cuter. 24 of those years right here in washington, d.c. and i've seen this kind of witness tampering hundreds of times. what we have here is mr. man mr. manafort reaching out to witnesses and saying, remember, we didn't do any lobbying in the united states when there is ample evidence that that's untrue. then what i found almost amusing, sad, but amusing, was one of the witnesses who's an associate of mr. manafort's says reinforcing this messagey saying p., an obvious reference to mr. manafort, wants you to say, you know, we never lobbied in the united states. then they put in perrens, which is true. let me use an everyday hypothetical to donstratehy this is laughable. let's assume when the show wraps
today you and i go out and rob a 7 eleven. we do it without guns because we don't want anybody to get hurt. i immediately get arrested, detained and i place a phone call to you, and i say stephanie, remember yesterday when we didn't rob a 7 eleven, which is true, this is, frankly, a chapter out of witness dummie things have gotten extraordinarily bad for paul manafort. >> okay, ouchy poo. if this is straight out of witness tampering for dummies and, again, what they're going after has little to do with the president. does it make sense for president trump to go out on a limb with this? the department of justice really did a number on paul manafort. it soundik paul kind of did one on himself. >> paul's a bad actor and i love glen for saying, giving a dummy's guide to witness tampering. especially what you said earlier. i think what they're trying to
do, witness tampering holds a maximum jail time. so if they revoke his bail, and they make him sit in jail, you're going to have a whole different attitude. your realization of, you know, your potential spending the rest of your life in jail, who knows what you're going to do or what you're goi to s when you're sitting in there and you're not in your normal habitat. the other bigger q is will president trump pardon manafort. and is it to his advantage to even do so. because it sounds like paul manafort breaking away from the campaign was really dng his own side deals and was a bad actor from the beginning. and was probably going to use the trump campaign and if elected the trump presidency to cut a wle of -- slew of other deals. >> by bad actor, do you mean the straight-up criminal? to me bad actor is the cast of
"mall cop." this is criminal activity. >> if you want me to say criminal, he's a bad dude, a crin. >> there you go. the president also tweeted this. e russianitch hunt hoax continues all because jeff sessions did not tell me he was going to recuse himself. i would have quickly picked someone else. so much time and money wasted, so many lives ruined, and sessions knew better than most that there was no collusion. let's just separate this. president trump didn't need to pick jeff sessions. i understand his frustration. but is he not implying here that these people who have been indicted wouldn't have gotten indicted if there was someone else as attorney general? if that were the case, wouldn't that otherne general be covering up or looking the other way in terms of criminal activity? i mean, you got the lawyer up there, that guy's already in jail. no one made that up. >> what president trump doesn't
understand is jeff sessions didn't decide to recuse himself, he had to recuse himself, according to doj guidelines. president trump and his team should have known th. someone who is a campaign surrogate, someone who is essentially a validater for the campaignin to a position of attorney general, h choice whatsoever. yes, your broader point is absolutely true. president trump doesn't see our attorney general as the nation's top law enforcement officer. he sees the attorney general as his chief protector. as the president's chief protector. someone who will -- or ul i should say, if he were not recuserom th. >> do you mean how like michael cohen was president fixer when he was a private citizen, that's how he views jeff sessions? >> absolutely. or roy cohen, the president's former attorney. that's what president trump wants in all of this. someone not looking out for our nation's interest but someone
looking out for his interest. potentially if you follow that to its logical conclusion, obstructing justice in a way that would allow president trump to get off scott free. that seems to be what president trump wants in all of this. >> i wantolay what giuliani said on cnn about the shifting accounts of the trump tower meeting. >> why do you believe that the white house team/the trump legal team before rudy giuliani, why do you think they chose to lie in his role about drafting the statement about trump jr.'s meeting with the russians? >> chris, you think maybe somebody could have made a mistake? you can make a mistake. you can make a mistake. if you want to, you can say it's a lie. but it was a mistake. i swear to god, it was a mistake. the guy made a mistake. he corrected it. >> glen, is that a good defense? lots of people make a mistake or even lie. but the issue is when you cover it up, you cover it up again and
again and again, that's when things get stinky. >> yes, it's a defense, it's not a good defense. i've tried to look at both sides of the coin on this one. on the one side of the coin, i do think the president and his attorneys are going to be able to claim that during that meeting the president provided information. he wasn't at the trump tower meeting himself. he was provided information. he helped word smith a document or a narrative that was then put out and, hey, he was just n the other side of the coin, i'd rather be the prosecutor on this one. because it does seem like a transparent attempt to put a false narrative into the stream of public consciousness. so i don't -- i don't think that argument's going to fly. i do think it's interesting we saw the defense team front this issue in its 20-page memo that was published over the weekend. what that says to me, stephanie,
is that they knew that bob muler's team already had ample evidence that would prove there were misrepresentations made about the drafting of that statement, shey wer the classic "we've got to get in front of it" and make it seem like it was something other than what it was. >> okathen, just a mistake.ak les share or remind people what president trump's lawyer jay suckalow and sarah sunander said t in the past. >> it was released, i'm suren consultation with his lawyers. the president was not involved in that. the president did not issue the statement. it came from donald trump jr. athai can tellyou. no, that was written by donald trump nd sur with consultation with his lawyer. >> he certainly didn't dictate but, you know, he -- like i said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any faerould
do. >> okey dokey. so the story went fro a dopgss to dirt on clintono trump having no role to dictating the whole thing. take me to a big republican fund-raiser.ho d republicans ta? >> well, you know, it's a very difficult position. i'm not going to lie to you and say this is awesome and we're all drinking the kool-aid. but you've got to look. it's bad optics. this is all bad optics. nobody's happy with it, now that they're saying one thing and now somebody else is saying another thing and they're having to scramble and go a different direction. but to my knowledge there's nothing illegal about what has happened. there's nothing illegal about president trump, you know, helping, putting aand in drafting a memo. but it's bad. so i think what it is is the fact that as a republican, as somebody that's representing the republican talking point, as somebody who comes on these
shows, when you present this, it's not good. i'm not going to sit up here and say that's okay. it was all a bigstake. your viewers aren't going to buy that. nobody thinks this is awesome and he forgot. but if you're looking at this from a legal point, nothing illegal, you know, has been committed. but if you're looking at this as a branding or looking at this you know, as a dark smudge on the republican party, i think a lot of people are a little upset that maybe people can't get all their stories straight. that maybe all these -- >> if they can't get their stories straight or lying? because can't get tir stories straight is like -- >> you know what, i haven't coordinated with my husband or my mother. >> stephanie, we're not going to know. first of all, i've got to tell everybody this, in an ongoing investigation with all these things going on, i think the legal team doesn't need to be on television shows.
i just don't think this is a good idea. you know, because this is what we're talking about. we're now having to say this is not what he meant, he meant this. this was a mistake. this is how this is going to be. just don't go on television because we wouldn't have all this mess to be talking about in the first place. >> i don't disagree with you, sister. quickly, before we go,glen, this lying, not a legal issue? >> the lying is a legal issue and it's a factual issue and it's a consciousness of guilt issue. you don't have to lie if you didn't do anything wrong in the first instance. i appreciate noelle saying she's not going to drink the kool-aid. if we all start drinking from the cup of truth, we're not going to be thirsty moving forward. >> can you go to -- if what rudy giuliani says is a fact and there was a mistake, let's just say trump forgot that he issued a little bit of talking points or guidance with his son on a memo, is that okay? i mean, are you as human beings
allowed to make a mistake? >> robert mueller's team was engaged on that statement issue within one month. within one month i had heard that mueller's team was interested in that. so it's obviously very much a concern of federal investigators. and not a pr issue. >> president trump says he loves winning bug apparently not winning teams. the philadelphia eagles will not be honored at the white house today after the president abruptly canceled their visit. mt with a really low voice. carl? lowest price guaranteed. what about the world's lowest limbo stick? how low can you go? nice one, carl. hey i've got an idea. just say, badda book. badda boom. badda book. badda boom. nice. always the lowest price, guaranteed. book now at choicehotels.com
the mayor of philadelphia egomaniac after the president e disinvited the eagles champs to the white house. the playeere supposed to be honored in d.c. hours from now but president trump pointed to the controversy over kneeling during the anthem when he pulled the invite yesterday. it's important toote not a single eagles player knelt last season.ers union just responded. our union is disappointed in the decision by the white house to disinvite players from the philadelphia eagles from being recognized and celebrated. the decisioby the white house has led to the cancellation of several player-led community service events for young people in the d.c. area. nfl players love their country, support our troops, give back to their communities and strive to make america a better place. noelle back with me.
okey-dokey artichokartichoky. the nfl just changed their policy because they wanted to get out of politics. is the president pulling them back in? roger goodell has to be going "are you kidding me?" >> the book was "the imperial presidency" in the wake of the nixon resignation and scandals. he wrote it because he described a way presidents act in an imperial fashion. president trump is acting impeerally pretty much every day. this is another example of that. the white house is the people's house. it is not president trump's house. it's not something he can decide who he can invite and who he doesn't invite. there's a tradition of inviting championship teams to the white house of all stripes. we have freedom of the press, freedom of expression in this country, and players, whether they were kneeling or not knowing, whether they want to kneel, whether they don't want
to kneel, they're a championship team. they should all be invited to the white house. >> in this case, no one knelt. i want to show you a clipm fox news last night where they played eagles players kneeling. eagles tight end zach erst tweeted this reaction. this can't be serious. praying before games with my teammates well before the anthem is being used for your propaganda. just sad. i feel like you guys should have beetter than this. are conservatives just looking for a fight? these are guys praying. >> this is so horr number one, i believe in the platform of the gop. number two, i think that some of trump's policies are so fantastic. i'm very happy with a lot of his policies. number three, this is outrageous. this is horrible. and the fact that, you know, we are drawn in to talk about the optics of what's going on with the nfl, in politics, is absolutely a disgrace. here's the bigger point in this. there were some players that wanted to go. why did you cancel the whole she
bang and not take the ones that wanted to go to the white house, even if there were eight or two or ten or one, and really wine and dine them and be the bigger person? just because the whole team didn't want to the go? >> more cocktails from those eight guys. >> and you know what, and get to know these players and listen to what they've got to say. do a big pr deal on it. instead, now it's trump or the gop which is behind trump versus the nfl. this is not good. we need to be mending the problem that's going on with the nfl and politics. rather than owe straw sizing them. now what we've got is this. >> bill, noelle likes a lot of president trump's policies. members of the gop want to tk about the jobs number and the commit. at the same time, rudy giuliani is saying president trump, he no time to sit down with robert mueller for an interview because he's busy doing president's stuff. yet he had two tweets before 8:00 a.m. this morning specifically about the eagles and the nfl.
why create this constant distraction? >> noelle makes a great point. the president should try to be bigger than all of this. she should try to set a standard of leadership and ethics and behavior we can all be proud of. but he never does. i'm never seen an administrion stepping on its message more consistently. the administration actually has to be objective about it so many things to be proud of. i mean, he may not like the tax law. but they've accomplished it. it gave a big boost to corporations all across the country, whether they deserved it or not, who knows. that should pump up the economy, get the economy going strong. >> this is a chance to mend -- >> he never mends. he takes a wound and pours more acid into it every single day. that is their strategy. every single morning before we all wake up, he's poured more acid into a wound and he loves it. >> coming up, i'm going to talk to the chairperson of the
i'm stephanie ruhle. the president has not been shy about touting the economy. just yesterday, he called it the greatest economy in the history of america. right now, i'm joined by the chairman of the council of economic advisers. i want to say thank you, it's been 341 days since i've been economy with the white house so thank you to start. >> i apologize, but, you know, i will send you an e-mail so you have my e-mailm now on. but you got to beat me up, otherwise -- >> no beating anyone up. just some questions. president trump said greatest economy ever. last night on fox news, sarah sanders said it's the greatest economy since world war ii. how do you factor that since the late 1990s we have annual growth over 4% and we're not currently there? >> yes, i get that there are -- when you're looking at the economy, there are a lot of indicators to look at. some of the indicators the president cares the most about, and i think you probably care the most about, are looking as good as we've ever seen. back to world war ii point is
something that actually discussed with the president yesterday, that, you know, about initial claims for unemployment insurance, i know, because you were an economic journalist forever, so initial claims for unemployment insurance are when people file for unemployment insurance because they lose their jobs. it's one of the worst things that can happen to a person, they lose their jobs. if you look, it's the lowest since world war ii. it's the lowest since world war ii as a share of the workforce whic a real genuine metric if you compare across times. there's a lot of othhings going on in the job market which make it the best we've ever seen. >> it is a very positive job market. >> can i go to another one, something that i know you care lot about and i care a lot about, the president has talked a lot about how the unemployment rate for african-americans is the lowest on record which is true, but it's also we have a low unemployment rate. one of the things we've been looking at is the difference between the white unemployment rate and the black unemployment rate and it should be zero, right?
eye d eye deally, we have to get it to zero but now it's a little more than 2% which is a third of what it was under president obama. we're really seeing a society moving towards a more successful vision for all the people. the final metric of that is -- >> before you go on, let's just -- i want just want to make a quick point on that. without a doubt, it's great to see african unemployment where it is. but we have to note that number didn't start dropping when president trump was elected. it was on a steady decline to where it is during president obama's term in office, wouldn't you say? >> you know, we could -- i'll make sure that at the cea twitter account we post the count. it's accelerated lately. the next point -- can i just make the next point -- >> -- changing direction are two different things. it's been going that direction since president obama was in office. >> when obama came in, there was the great rescissicession which started at the beginning of his presidency soou can't blame him for that.
at this point, the number was really, really high, thent started to come down, and level off. the reason it's going more aggressively recently is goods producing jobs, so construction and manufacture, the kind of things that the president has talked a lot about and focused s policies re being produced at almost 50,000 a month, a little bit less, which is about double the rate that happened in the previous two years before president trump was elected. we've specifically targeted the kind of jobs that benefit, you know, blue collar workers and disproportionately benefit african-american workers and those jobs are soaring right now. >> how are those jobs -- how do you think those jobs would be affected by the president impose tariffs on things like steel and aluminum because it will surely affect new construction. >> right. i think one of the things that might be going on right now is that -- so there's a big capital spending boom in the u.s. if you look at the first quarter gdp, it was up 9%, so it means
people are locating plants here again. they might also be doing that because they're worried the president might put tariffs on. right now,f we look at the impact of the discussion of the tariffs, if you estimate the overall manufacturing, it's slightly positive. i think if you make a point that's right, that in the end we're involved in an ongoing negotiation where we're trying to pursue better trade deals that are more reciprocal, i think it's one thing when people look at the president's agenda and criticize it that they underappreciate is that the president's vision is one where other countries lower their barriers to our level. if that happen, then the free trade economists criticizing the president right now would call it an historic victory, right, and that is the president's objective. >> the fact he wants to go after trade are admiral. some people have the concern that it's what the actual policies are. larry kudlow just a few weeks before he took his position at
the white house was writing about how dangerous tariffs were. when you look at larry kudlow today, looking at the united states possibly having bilateral talks with canada and mexico, can you elaborate on that? for many of us, we thought the idea of something like ttp, where we would work with a number of allies to put pressure on places like china was a good idea. speak to what these one on one conversations being had between canada and mexico, because if all we're looking at is justin trudeau's comments or things from twitter, it's concerning because mexico doesn't seem to be happy and neither does canada. >> you know, stephanie, let's think about it this way. suppe that you ran a country, i ran a country and let's pick another person, ali velshi runs a country. if i negotiate a free trade deal with you, let's say you and i are both trained economists and we say free trade, one line deal. but ali, on the other hand, he's canadian, he's got lots of things he wants to protect. if we bring him to the deal, maybe i have to make concessions
to you against free trade that i wouldn't make if i didn't make a deal straight up with you. i think bilateral trade deals, the idea is you basically go around and you can make crisper, cleaner deals. maybe you quickly if they're targed free trade and they're very simple then. >> i guess the concern would be the president said as soon as he was elected, he tore up tpp. if you go willy-nilly with one idea today and a different idea on another day, what does that mean? let's say you and i are different countries and so is ali velshi. if we're allies, we need to trust one another. surely some trust has been lost. >> well, i think that, again, if you look at the europeans who have a 10% tariff on our autos and we have a 2.5% tariff on their autos, that there are lots of places where the trade deals
can be improved. president obama thought that too and president bush thought it as well and yet they didn't really succeed at improng the deals. president trump wrote "the art of the deal." have you read i lynteresting read. you can see he's very good at deal making and creating leverage and i think what he's doing right now is definitely creating more leverage with our trading negotiators than anybody's ever seen. i can't remember how much everybody was really awake and paying attention to the trade policy -- >> everyone is awake and -- >> i think everyone is willing to make concessions. when you hear probably a year from now, i'll come back on your show, hopefully often more than just a year from now, but i think when we look back, think what's going to happen is we'll move towards freer reciprocal trade where the barriers against u.s. exports come down. if that happens, once again, go back to the jobs numbers, then the pare going to be here. we're going to be exporting stuff over there. it will be really good for american workers. >> we'll look at it in a year, but to say that people are awake and paying attention, they
absolutely are. we don't yet see any positive results. the president has made a lot of noise, but it's unclear if this leverage is going to work. and i just want to make that one final point on autos and automakers. it's important to focus on auto imports. it's also important to remember a lot of those foreign automakers make their cars right here. i would think that lindsey graham in the state of south carolina are certainly concerned about those european automakers and plants they have and the jobs they offer to americans. i really appreciate you being here. >> i appreciate you having me. it's billionaire against billionaire. koch brothers have poured millions into promoting conservative issues but now they're threatening to spend millions more fighting president first, the ceo of qatar airways, this guy's under fire after he told reporters his company needs to be led by a man. quote, because it's a very challenging position. oh, heavens, really, did you say
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oppose, wait for it president trump's tariffs. they will use a free trade campaign to call for president trump to, quote, reduce or eliminate trade barriers through international agreements. the plan will be carried out through media buys, activist education, grass roots mobilization, lobbying and policy analysis. imagine if rich people didn't have to spend money on that. we could spend it on like great programs to improve schools. tim phillips is the president of americans for prosperity, one of the groups behind this push from the koch political net work and bill cohn back with me. lay out for me this four-pronged approach. what message do you want to get across? i'm not criticizing using that process, i'm saying like, god, imagine if you didn't have to spend the money to do it. >> well, actually, good schools and so much of what's prosperous about our country depends on free trade. >> i hear you. >> because free trade keeps consumer prices low. it creates jobs here at home. trade agreements like nafta have
been good for the country, stephanie, and so we've been alarmed by the tariff talk and protectionism from the administration. a lot of what they're doing is good. the tax cuts, the elimination of red tape, that's helping this economic recovery. but this protectionism can undermine the entire thing. so we have been voicing opposition to these tariffs from it is beg the begiing, but we decided it's not enough. it's going to include the full gamut, television, digital advertising. across the board effort. we want to make sure americans understand the good that free trade does. how it keeps prices low. >> listen, i agree with you. i see all of these points. you want to create this platform to help americans understand. >> yes. >> why d't you believe the administration understands? because this is your group's biggest split from president trump. what is he missing? >> we think that sometimes politicians protectionism sounds good. it lets you feel tough, you
know, you're being tough on the brits or tough on the chinese. but protectionism is really tough on your own american citizens. i think, you know, both sides do this. bernie sanders and the hard left has this protectionism rift going on. unfortunately, the trump administration does that and so we just want to make sure we're having a consistent conversation with the american people that gives the other side of the story to this. and the idea, stephanie, that people in either party can sit in washington, d.c. and look at a $13 trillion economy and with laser beam perfection choose certain industries or certain people to punish, you know, with trade and -- it's silly. it doesn't work. some of the arguments for this protectionism sounds a lot like what george w. bush and his team argued for when they did the steel tariffs back in the 2000s. it did not work en. it's not going to work now. we thought voicing opposition's not enough. let's take this to the american people. we've got over 3 million activists who have taken part in
efforts with americans for prosperity and our network over the last decade plus. let's mobilize. let's engage in a significant way. because the issue is that portant. >> bill what do you think of this? the koch brothers, to take a stand like this, wha do you think it mean for the midterms? >> well, it's really interesting, stephanie. first of all, we knowthe tariffs have been businepissing our allies, to put it mildly. for the koch brothers and their organization with billions at their disposal to come out and oppose president trump and ross and mnuchin on this is interesting. basically, you and i both know, what we generally hear from conservatives or people who are kind of in the middle of the road is they like a lot of trump's policies, the tax plan, the deregulation, the stock market, but they do not, you know, all of a sudden you're actually having a conservative saying, hey, we don't like these tariffs, this is not a good idea. we're going to impose an
economic policy of this administration that actually we've kind of liked up to this point. >> what has the white house said about your push? >> they know we disagree with them. we've been very up front with them both privately in conversations at the white house and publicly with the statements. so they're not surprised by this. we want to encourage thi about larry kudlow, you know, kudlow's the top economic adviser for the president. he knows better, right. he knows that tariffs are a bad idea. they don't work. we're encouraging him to continue to talk to the president. and our message is you're doing a lot of good things. don't undermine all of that with these tariffs and protectionism which, frankly, they're bad policy. but, stephanie, they're bad politics as well. i was in wisconsin and iowa recently. farmers there are deeply concerned about the impact this is going to have. so as usual, bad policy is bad politics. this is another example of that. >> yes, larry kudlow has a tough
road to hoe. he agrees with you, but of course he's got to speak to the president. moments ago we got the news that david koch, he's retiring from ko industries. what does this mean? is this a surprise to you? >> well,avid the president of americans for pros epnie, know, he's y one, provided inspirational leadership, he's a great man. and we wish david and julia and their beautiful family the very best. for health reasons he's stepping aside i think as the statement says. it's a loss fos fr us because h an inspirational strong leader and has been from the beginning. >> thank you, tim. coming up, forget about the $40,000 sound proof phone booth. we're learning about a new item that's on scott pruitt's wish list. why on earth would he want an old used trump hotel mattress?
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scott pruitt underfire for another abuse of power. he's accuseollars of agency agent aid to handle his personal tasks like hunting down a used mattress. that actually grosses me out. elij elij elijah cummings wrought a letter to the extent for which he utilized her for personal tasks including using his credit card to took personal flights attempting to obtain an old mattress from the manager director of a trump hotel in washington, d.c. garrett haake joins me live from capitol hill. garrett, get into it with us. i mean, obviously the mattress is like gnayut it's n deal breaker. what else was pruitt requesting of hup. >> the mattress part is weird but it's not the most egregious of the requests. that has to do with him asking
hup to become his personal real estate agent in the transcripts released by these two members of congress, you see that hup was asked to talk to half a dozen or so real estate broikers. she was on the market essentially hunting for a new apartment for scott pruitt after thedy badebacle. she said she spoke on scott pruitt's behalf. federal ethics rules prohibit staff members from doing this kind of work for their botion, ev -- bourses evsses on their own >> she did it after he got this hot water by staying in the lobbyist apartments for 50 bucks a night only on the nights she was staying there? >> that's right. this san effort to find the first apartment after the first apartment had become so troublesome. we are already very much in the thick of it on this.
and epa says they're cooperating with this investigation led by trey gowdy of the house oversight committee. they have a host problems here. there's more than a dozen different investigations into the administrator's conduct and various -- and he's fast running out of friends here. >> stay with me. 14 ongoing investigations. i mean, you spend your days on the hill. have you heard from any gop leaders on sort of their take on scott pruitt's position? because on one hand you could say i like the policy. but from people i spoke to inside epa, you have three camps. you have the obama hold offers saying let this end. then you have a group in the middle who were appointed by the trump administration who are working on moving forward on policies that this administration supports. and then you've got sort of this oklahoma mafia around scott pruitt, many of whom have left since all these scandals have come out. but what are the republicans saying about why scott pru witness should keep on rocking
in that seat while he's got 14 other investigations going on? i've got to believe there's other members of the gop who could say, i could handle it. >> reporter: no, think that's right, stephanie. scott pruitt is on thin ice with congress. republicans are frustrated about all these different ethical scandals that keep popping up. you doy he from members who say surely there must be someone else who could do this job. there's also a growing number of republicans from ethanol states who feel like pruitt is not dealing fairly with them on the basic parts of his job as epa director. when i say he's running out of friends in congress, he is under increasing scrutiny here. fewer and fewer people are interested in defending him. but as long as the president of the united states thinks he's doing his job well, he's the only person that can fire him or force him to step aside. >> heavens. thank you so much. we're going to continue to track this. imaginerying to do y day job while there's 14 investigations going on. okay. it's time to wrap this show up
and you know how i sign off. there's always good news somewhere and we think good news ruhles. this news is great. ♪ did you hear is that? is a 10-year-old boy behind the piano. jacob velazquez called up on tag at a concert sunday night to show off his musically genius. but velazquez also took to the microphone to share with the owat he is autistic and proud of it. >> i'm really excited to show people that just because you have awe six doesn't mean you're not smart, talented and -- >> smart, talented and absolutely awesome. jacob, you just got a fan in me and hopefully a lot more. that wraps us up this hour. at an hour this has been. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you again at 11:00 a.m.
with my partner velshi. right now, more news with hallie jackson. thank you much, my friend. heim i'm hallie jab son in washington where the special counsel has three words for paul manafort, lock him up. prosecutors say the former trump campaign chair is hitting up old fronds mess with their testimony. and manafort's old boss, the president, is up and at them slamming the justice department and slamming the philadelphia eagles, pulling the invite to their party at the white house because of anthem protests. but fact check here, not a single player took a knee during the reseason the eagles. we'll have reaction coming in this morning from the city of the super bowl champs. we're also following breaking news in new york. harvey weinstein arriving in court just a couple minutes ago. you're look at that from just within the last 15 tes. he's set tonter a plea on those rape charges. we're going to head live tthe court when that ends. so far, eight states heading to the polls with democrats