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died. he served four presidents including carter and helped saved reagan's second term by cleaning outhe nec after iran/cont iran/contra. he also brought his former military aide colin powell to the white house. our condolences to his family. and that's it for today. craig melvin takes it in new york. craig. >> hey there, andrea, good to see you as always. craig melvin here, nbc news headquarters in new york city. ortsman- conduct. president trump will host what he's dubbed a celebration of america event at the white house after canceling a celebration of the super bowl champion iladelphia eagles. last last hour, the white house issuing the statement about scheduling. but a new statement about bad optics. why the shifting story? why does the president keep going after the nfl? also, headed to jail. the man who ran the trump campaign for a time, paul manafort, accused of tampering
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with witnesses in his own trial. so how did a man out on bail and wearing an ankle monitor think the special counsel would not figure it out. and fallout. former president bill clinton trying to further explain an answer to my question, does he owe monica lewinsky a personal apology in the age of the me too movement? we'll also share a new revelation from my interview with mr. clinton. if he was up for election today, he doesn't think he'd win. also, some breaking news on this tuesday. fashion icon kate spade has died by apparent suicide. we're working to get a little bit more on the investigation. we will have that for you in just a few moments. but let's start at the white house. for about two hours from now, president trump will be hosting an event that was to celebrate the philadelphia eagles super bowl victory. but the team won't be there. and there areic reports as to why. the whithouse put out a state a short time ago which reads, in part, the vast majority of the eagles team decided to abandon
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their fans. but a source outside the white house with direct knowledge telling nbc news that the president called off the visit by the eagles because he was aware of the bad optics of having fewer than ten people including players, coaches and trainers on hand for the event. nbc's geoff bennett is at the white house, he's got some of this exclusive reporting for us. geoff, how did we get here? because it would seem as if the answer to that question would depend on whom you ask. >> ye i would appear that way. let me break it down for you based on our reporting today. we now know, craig, that the president's statement last night, his tweets this morning, linking the kacancellation of ts eagles event to his insistence that players stand for the national anthem, we now know that's a roouuse. no eagles player took a knee or stayed in the locker room during last season and three, as i'm told by a source familiar, the president, when he learned that just a handful of players, coaches and staffers would be on hand for this event, rather than
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face the public spectacle of being snubbed, he decided to call it off. we can add to that the statement that sarah sanders put out in just the last hour or so. the statement makes clear it was a scheduling issue. having really nothing to do with the national anthem. but as you read there, you can he eagles as the white t in a house tries to spin what's happening here. i'll read more of it. she says, unfortunately, the eagles offered to send only a tiny handful of representatives while making clear that the great majority of players would not attend the event. despite planning to be in d.c. today. the vast majority of the eagles team decided to abandon their fans. so at this point, we understand people who the white house says are from out of state, meaning they are not from pennsylvania. could be eagles fans but certainly not from pennsylvania who will be here on hand for this event at 3:00 eastern, which the white house has rebranded as a celebration of america, craig. >> all right. and there's of course the briefing coming up here at the
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top of the hour. i imagine this is a question that sarah huckabee sanders will be as mr. bennett, thank you. michael steele is an msnbc political analyst, he's also former chairman of the republican national committee. kimski covers the eagles. and congressman boyle, whose district includes the philadelphia area and for the purposes of this conversation we should note that he is also a really big eagles fan. mr. kimski, let me start with you, sir, because you cover this team well. for folks who may not have been following the story closely, why is it that this football team would only be sending a handful of its players and staff to the white house? >> well, even before the super bowl occurred a couple of different players said they weren't going to attend any invitation to the white house. even before they won the super bowl. and then thereafter, about a half dozen eagles players, you know, also stated that they weren't going to attend the white house, you know, because they disagreed with the policies
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of the current president. a couple of players also noted that -- the vast majority of the team likely wouldn't show up for su an invitation as well. when donald trump made the invitation to the eagles back on i believe it was may 17th, they should have been fully aware that the turnout wasn't going to be great. >> michael, the white house, you know, saying that the eagles abandoned their fans. we're reporting that the president canceled the event because he knew that the optis s would not be favorable. what's your take? why would the president go to such great lengths to get a picture with the football team? >> i think a number of things in play here, but the center of it is the president's ego. he did not want the embarrassment of ten players and coaches behind him. i think that's a mistake. i think you continue on.
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whoever is there is there. they represent the eagles. they have fans that are probably in town to be at this even et cetera. you show yourself to be the bigger person. but that's just not something that trump is ever capable of doing in matters like this. where he has to put his own ego aside and do what the best thing is to do. it's not about thepresid it's honoring the championship team, the way america celebrates that effort. a lot of this is a lot of hooy. it's unfortunate noise. but at the end of the day, it's o.e president with a bruised they're trying to spin this thing to make it seem like it's the philadelphia eagles fault for kneeling during a football game. well, that's a lie, they didn't. they didn't want to be there. yes, there were players who didn't want to come but a lot of it has to do with how he's talked about those very same players, calling them sons of pitches. yes, you've got to understand you put that crap out on the street, it comes back in this
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way, and you've got to deal with it. this is how the white house wants to deal with it. >> congressman, there's this recent "washington post"/kaiser foundation poll and it found that 63% of americans say it's never appropriate to deal during the national anthem. again, this according to that particular poll. congressman, does it seem as if the president has figured out that this is perhaps a winning issue for him, that this could be something that really appeals to his base? that would explain why he continues to go after the nfl? >> that must be the reason because, you know, and i think this has been lost over the last six or seven months, actually the nfc protests, kneeling during the anthem, were kind of dying down. you saw more players do it when colin kaepernick first started it i think about 2 1/2 years ago. they were really dying down. until that night, i believe he was campaigning in the florida panhandle, just trying to reach the alabama market for that senate race, and then he just brought up the issue, hisrowd
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went wild and ever since then it has been something that he's gone back to. one thing i do want to point sarah sanders said the eagles have abandoned their fans. this is one lifelong eagles fan who completely defends my team. the eagles haven't let any of their fans down. we can see thank yrough that. this is all about a president who is very petty and has a very fragile ego. once he found out that so few players were going to show up, he decided to cancel the whole party. >> congressman, the president akg this a about him. re'sou twe there. you know, this -- one of the things that it's really forced me to think about and we can talk about this with all three of you, the anthem protest. have they been -- and by that i mean, michael, initially, it was colin kaepernick and he made it very clear why he was kneeling.
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now all of a sudden it's become about the president. it's become about the national and the anthem. how did we get to that point? >> we got here because the president brought us here. it was almost 18 months after colin kaepernick first took a knee that this president even said anything about it. he riled up that base in the midst of a hted senatorial campaign/special election because he was trying to rally his base to go vote and he used this as a political foil. so here we are. i want to know all these people saying, this 53% of people saying it is never appropriate to kneel during a national anthem. when they're at a bar pushing back their beer and the national anthem comes on, do they all stand and put their hand over their heart? do they do it when they're at a picnic and they hear it? this sort of false patriotism around this issue to me is galling because it's nothing more than a political stunt. people protest.
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we've always accepted this in this country. unless you're standing there in the middle of the field burning a flag or stomping on it, this type of protest which, by the way, was brought to colin kaepernick by men and women in uniform, a soldier told him this is an aiaay to do it. that's why he did it the way he did it, the most respectful way possible. there's nothing wrong with that. i don't know how we -- why we abandon the free speech opportunities of nfl players while the rest of america get to sit in the bar and have a beer and not stand up and salute the flag as well. it's just crazy. >> jimmy -- >> if i can piggyback on that. >> go ahead, jimmy, go ahead. >> if i can piggyback on michael and what the congressman said a moment ago. this was dying out. back in september, as the congresswoman alluded to, donald trump made comments, as he said, in alabama and thereafter -- you know, about the players, i believe he said they should be fired if they knelt or disrespected the flag in some way or the anthem. at that point, the nfl players
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were kind of united in that. he saw a major reaction from that. he saw aajorreaction in turn from the big majority of the fan base that, you know, disapproved of those actions and he saw at ibelieve, as an opportunity to kind of pander to, you know, the people who, you know, can't disrespect america, so you have a situation where he does not want this to die. in my view, donald trump doesn't care about the national anthem cares more about pandering to the people who are mistaking what the message of the players is, which is racial inequality and police brutality and trying to make something of it that it's not. which is disrespecting the military in some way. and that's not happening. so in december, malcolm jenkins, who was -- who would raise his fist during the national anthem, came to an agreement along with other pler with the nfl. in which the nfl provided 80 something million dollars over the xt seven years that would go toward -- it would fund basically programs for the police and education and the
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people and how they can all work together. and this is a situation that was dying down. i thought there was , you know, both sides were kind of seeing where each other stood and they were -- it was -- the progress was being made. and now outf nowhere, he kind of intimidates the nfl into introducing a policy which will now make protests -- they can fine teams for protests and, in turn, the teams can fine ayers. that's all it's going to do is rile up the players who are going to react and donald trump once again has his way in which he can pander to his base which thinks that people are disrespecting the military when it's really nothing to do with that whatsoever. >> congressman, thank you. jimmy. we turn now to some tragic breaking news this hour. fashion designer kate spade was found dead inside her new york city apartment this morning. her death is being investigated as an apparent suicide. that's according to four senior
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law enforcement officials. the 55-year-old became an icon after building a fashion empire on her handbag designs. nbc's stephanie gosk is following this. >> at this moment, law enforcement officials are telling us that kate spade may have hung herself. that the call came in this morning at 10:20 to 911 from her manhattan apartment. as you mentioned, s's years old. this is a woman whose name is one of the largest in the industry. her name and her brand. she has a 13-year-old daughter. she's married to andy spade, david spade. those bags we've all seen them have become iconic. she actually sold her stake in that company in 2006. and has recently just started a new line called francis valentine.
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those names taken from her family. and now the sad news today that she appears to have taken her life. >> and, again, it's very early, we certainly don't want to get into speculation, but we do know at this point whether there had been a sort of problems? had she been dealing with ng that might have led to something like this or do weot know? >> tigns a this point. and certainly someone who gets to this point this is obviously -- with someone as famous as this -- an opportunity to shine aightn mental illness and the difficulties that people struggle with. there are always signs. there are always triggers. and it's a time to talk about what those are and how to deal with people who might be suffering through them. >> tremendous loss. not just for the fashion community. kate spade. stephanie gosk, thank you. i know you're going to continue to follow the story. we'll have more on this throughout the day here on msnbc. when we come back, though, we'll turn back to politics. it's a controversial theory.
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i'm going to talk to the "washington post's" dana milbank who says president clinton's handling of the monica lewinsky scandal 20 years ago helped clear the path for donald trump today. why paul manafort could spend his days awaiting trial in jail. when the judge will make that decision and if the allegations are true, what was manafort thinking? mom? dad? hi! i had a very minor fender bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don't worry i have everyt handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy's part. like fact that they'll just... forgive you... four weeks without t c. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.
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former trump campaign chairman paul mafort could go to jail before his trial en begins. special counsel robert mueller wants a judge to revoke manafort's bail, claiming he tried to tamper with potential witnesses in the case against him. prosecutors say he's repeatedly sent encrypted messages to two potential witnesses over the past several months. one of those wss says he thought manafort was trying to, quote, suborn perjury. in the last hour, his lawyer saying, quote, manafort is innocent and nothing about this latest allegation changes that. the decision about his bail next week. he pleaded not guilty to charges of illegally lobbying on behalf of the ukrainian government. our guest, former associate independent counsel in the
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whitewater investigation. natasha berstrand is an msnbc ntributor. manafort's out on bail. his travel's been restricted. he's on house arrest. he's wearing at least one ankle monitor. what does it tell you that, if true, paul manafort thought he could actually get away with this? >> well, it suggests that he's potentially used to cutting corners and getting away with things. obviously mr. mueller is a different animal altogether. it was a little short-sighted and very naive. and of course we don't know sitting here whether these charges are going to prove to be accurate, but if we've got documentation demonstrating that these communications happened, it's not a he said/she said situation. this is probably provable with docume documentary evidence. the question is if the judge will revoke his
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if he's sitting i ja, then i think the pressure to cooperate with mueller really shifts. we get into other issues of potential -- what mr. trump might do in respond, the par e that, that we're hearing floating around every day out of the white house right now. >> natasha, one of your colleagues at the atlantic wrote, in part, quote, at the height of his powers as a political consultant, paul manafort was known for his cool. while others panicked, manafort rarely had a hint of frazzle. bert mueller's allegation that manafort a tempted to tamper with the witness permit us to peer inside manafort's mind as it has functioned in a very different set of circumstances. he seems unae to muster strategic thinking. he has shown himself capable of profoundly dunderheaded miscalculations. how does this accusation fit into his reputation, natasha? >> well, he's known to be kind of a reckless player. he does have a reputation for,
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as kim said, cutting corners and feeling like he is really invincible when it comes to the law. he's been doing this for years and years and it was o recently that he was discovered to have been laundering money and working in violation of the foreign agents registration act for decades. so this is something that isn't necessarily surprising, but in terms of manafort's character, ecse this the first time he's done it. back in december, mueller tried to revoke his bail for the first time when he found out that he had violated a court gag order by ghost writing op-ed trying to revamp his image as a defender of the west and as this player who was trying to bring ukraine closer to wesnd reshape his image even after he had been indicted. so this is the second time that mueller has actually tried to change his bail terms. and this time it's not going to work aording t lal experts
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i speak to, because the judges -- and judges take witness tampering extremely seriously. and it would be very, very surprising if paul manafort did not have his bail revoked, according to the people i speak to. this is very much in line with manafort's character. the most surprising element of it, of course, is he should have known he was under constant surveillance and electronic surveillance. >> yes, kim, i mean, you know, just going back to what natasha said about legal experts and she reminded us that this is a judge that has dealt with manafort once before on a bail issue. the likelihood that this judge is going to rescind his bail next week, where would you put that likelihood? >> i would agree with this assessment it's a high likelihood the bail will be rescinded. the reason he's on house arrest is because the expectation is he'll behave. that's the idea. not everybody gets that goody in terms of waiting to go to trial. a lot of people have to go to jail and wait for trial. at this point, two strikes you're out. this is also a judge that denied
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his motion to dismiss the indictment. so s's not having any -- she's not sympathetic to the notion that he's a victim here in this entireprocess. i would think in terms of upholdin ensure the integrity of the court system, of the judicial system, of the prosecutorial system, that she's going to, very serious ly, take this motion, i think it's highly likely she will revoke his bail. >> something that caught a lot of folks maybe not by surprise butertaly raised a lot of eyebrows during the press briefing. sanders was asked to explain the changing stories about who dictated this letter about that meeting in trump tower with the russians. take a listen to what she said yesterday and we'll talk about it on the other side. here it is. >> if you say one thing from the stadium that it wasn't dictated by the president and his lawyer is saying something entirely different, how are we supposed
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to know at to believe? how can we believe what you're saying from the podium if the lawyers say it's entirely inaccurate? >> i can't comment on a letter from the president's outside counsel and i direct you to them to answer it. john. >> literally, you said he did not dictate. the lawyer said he did. what is >> i'm not going to respond to a letter from the president's outside counsel. we purposely walled off. and i will refer you to them for comment. >> the problem is she had already talked about the letter. so how now can she try and wall herself off? really quickly. >> right, exactly. she had said the president did not dictate the statement but simply offered input as any father would. this is not a credible excuse. the fact she now is trying to say this is something entirely separate from what she has to deal with just in terms of it being something separate for the lawyers that trump wrote. she already lied about it, which means there are serious questions to be asked about why there were so many people aroun the president trying to cover up the fact that there was this very lau misstement
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which of course did not mention that the reason why the trump campaign officials, his son, and son-in-law met with the russians is because they wanted to get dirt on hillary clinton. >> want get to some breaking news. sete majority leader mitch mcconnell just canceled part of the augustrecess. taking away valuable campaign time from sitting members of congress. we'll go live to capitol hill. despite enjoying high approval office, former presiden in clinton revealed to me in an interview just a few days ago that he does not think he would stand a chance in today's political environm >> i don't even know if i could win any kind of a race today. george woke up in pain. but he has plans today. so he took aleve this morning. hey, dad. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now.
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any idea where mcconnell's doing it? >> well, craig, the official line f mcconnell's office is democratic obstruction, surprise, surprise. they cite 100-plus clocher votes in the senate. but the reality here is the overarching political environment. we obviously havnalking lot about the house in the context of the midterms. senate has gotten less attention just because it's been viewed as less likely to flip. the reality there, mcconnell has a one-seat majority and there are quite a few democrats in red states defending their seats. so if you'rene of those rs and yougot a month in august to go home to campaign, to try to get out in front of voters and constituents and convince them to send you back to washington, it's probably better for you to be out there at home in august than here. for mcconnell, he only has two vulnerable members -- or vulnerable seats really. one of them obviously is retiring. jeff flake is leaving the
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senate. the other one is dean heller in nevada. that's only a couple or one really person he's taken off the board for august but he's going to poll all those democrats, about a half dozen, they will probably have to be here at work that potentially puts a kink in their plans to try to get re-elected. so always, you know, another angle here, craig, and there will be -- you will hear different explanations. i would say he has canceled most of the august reset that he says they're going to have one week u and then they're going to be back here for three weeks. this is not something that typically goes over well generally. politics aside, everybody likes to take vacation, get a little bit of a break in august, go out of town with their families, et cetera. so we'll see how the news is taken up here on the hill. >> i think if most folks saw the legislative calendar, a lot of folks wou conclude our lawmakers spend a fair amount of time on vacation anyway. >> fair enough. >> kacie hunt there on capitol hill with some breaking news for us. thank you. former president bill
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clinton publicly apologized again for his affair with monica lewinsky last night and how he handled it. his acknowledgement came after his comments to me on lewinsky drew a bit a backlash from critics and even supporters. overnight, bill clinton apologizing again. >> i meant it then and i meant it now, i apologize to my family, to monica lewinsky and her family and to the american people. before -- >> reporter: his new public apology coming hours after facing questions here on "today" about his handling of the monica lewinsky scandal in the late '90s. >> do you feel like you owe her an apology? >> no, i do -- i do not -- i've never talked to her, but i did say publicly on more than one occasion that i was sorry. >> reporter: the former president voicing support for the me too movement but facing sharp criticism for his comments from the interview. >> nobody believes that i got out of that for free.
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i left the white house $16 million in debt. >> reporter: some allies including former clinton spokesman joe lockhart took issue with the former president's focus. >> i think in that interview he succumbed to being the victim and feeling victimized. >> reporter: social media erupting. one user writing, bill clinton still refuses to take responsibility for what he did to monica lewinsky. lewinsky herself did not comment directly, simply tweeting, she's grateful to the myriad people who have helped me evolve and gain perspective in the last 20 years. and linking to a "vanity fair" piece she wrote in march discussing her consens affair that reads, in part, now at 44, i'm beginning, just beginning the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a white house intern. now, she's being supported by other me too activists. actress rose mcgowan tweeting at clinton, in part, a human life
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was altered and destroyed due to your selfishness. prior to his over night comments, she and others demanded clinton apologize, something the presidt never did privately but did do publicly back in 1998. and again last night. >> i meant it then and i mean it today. i live with it all the time. >> dana milbank is the political columnist with the "washington post" who's just written an opinion piece about the former president. always good to see you, my friend. thanks for coming on. you covered the clinton white house. in this particular piece, you write, in part, quote, in bill clinton were the seeds of donald trump. clinton set us on the path or at least accelerated us down the path that led to today. connect the dots for us. >> well, craig, i mean, obviously bill clinton was not the first politician, the first president to lie in office. i think if we look back in retrospect, we see the
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beginnings of what we see now. and you saw some of that in your interview with him yesterday. it was a -- i mean, there was the original lie. there was the, you know, personal indiscretion. there was also, a joe lockhar id, this tendency to make himself the victim, which we of course see all the time in president trump. there is also tendency to blame the press. he kept shoving it back to you saying you were phrasing it completely neutrally. he was using a very similar phrase to the fake news media. he was talking about imagined facts when, in fact, they were the actual facts. so it just made me think back to that time when i was covering his impeachment. i thought the ill peampeachment ridiculous, i didn't think he should resign, but i have to say in retrospect it did seem if not to start us to this trump path
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it did accelerateus. >> you wrote my perspective changed because of the me too movement but also because of what followed clinton's affair. he had only lied about section. but the george w. bush administration started a war under false pretense. and now trump governs with utter disregard for truth. are you saying that if clibten had resigned, we might not have gone to war with iraq, we might not have president trump? >> well, would knows, craig, it's impossible to know what might have happened otherwise. of course, i mean, bill clinton came along two decades after watergate. so this has been going on for some period of time. but i remember the defense of clinton at e te saying the personal is not political. that's why people liked his policies even though they didn't like the way he behaved in a moral sense. i think we're seeing now with trump that the personal is political. so i think it was wrong to detach it then because it's very much the man is not credible in anything he says.
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he's dishonest. he's mess treistreated not just but the rule of law. i think that was a fallacy you can be sort of -- have morality privately and still be a good leader. >> the former president also expect some time talking about what he lost as a result of the lewinsky scandal. >> well, i don't think it would be an issue because people would be using the facts instead of -- the imagined facts in other words to even make this case. you have to ignore some of the facts as some of the older women who ha written about this and an amazement, saying, can you believe people were saying this guy was defending the constitution? and of course he shouldn't have resigned. if the facts were the same today, i wouldn't. nobody believes that i got out of that for fr. i left the white house $16 million in debt.
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>> reminiscent, dana, of that interview a while back where i belie it was hillary clinton who said they were dead broke when they left the white house. what do you make of that? >> i have a very tiny violin for them on this one, craig. maybe it's true he was $16 million in debt. but come on, over the next 15 years, according to forbes, the two of them brought in $240 million, $189 million of that was from bill clinton, that's from speaking fees, book royalties. and you're asking him this question as he's making more money, you know, flogging a novel with james patterson. so, you know, the flip side of this is of course monica lewinsky who has acknowledged her responsibility in this really hasn't recovered from this. she will always be known. that is the first line in her obituary. you know, hopefully she's happy in her life but you don't recover from that. >> stick around for me if you can, mr. mill bank.
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means. voters in eight states are voting at the polls in today's primaries for the 2018 midterms. the main event, we just made it purple for you, to california. that's where the ste's top two primary system has everyone guessing. meanwhile, while that's happening, we're watching the podium on capitol hill. that's where senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is expected to officially announce he is canceling part of the august reset, cutting into campaign time for incumbents. our kacie hunt noted that part of the motivation here most certainly political. senate majority leader likely to come to that podium and blame democrats in part for holding up some nominations. we'll take you there when it happens. we're also watching the polls. nbc's steve patterson outside of a polling station in san diego. with details on the golden state's crowded gubernatorial race. >> hey, craig, hello from a busy polling place here in san diego. this is a big deal for obviously
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a lot of reasons. you're talking about the person that is going to run the world's fifth largest economy. yet in this sort of bizarre california political twist, everybody today is more focused on who's going to take second place than who's got the top tes toda that is for a few reasons. number one is lieutenant governor gavin newsom. the guy has been running for almost three years now, since 2015. he's galvanized a lot of support on the democratic side. he's got the name recognition. he's got the political capital. he's pulling way ahead. that means the second reon, as you mentioned, is that so-called jungle primary. the top two primary. it says the top two candidates in all these races across california move on to the general primary election in november. that is an existential crisis for tepublican y. for a number of reasons. at the top, they're looking at the top of the ticket. they're seeing the u.s. senate race that appears to be all democratic. top two vote getters right now are democrats. and they're looking at democrats pouring all this money into the
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governor's race to make sure that is true here as well. despite that, a republican has emerged, john cox. he's a businessman from illinois. he's galvanized a lot of support. he targetedonservative tal radio pretty early. wen after p news. he's goal valvanized a lot of t republican vote. he's also now gotten an endorsement from president trump. who's tweet support for cox. not one, not two, but three times. you may think in deep blue california a trump tweet maybe doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does. cox spoke about that support last night at a campaign event. want to play that for you right now. >> i think what it did is it cemented the feeling of republicans, that i was the right candidate to tackle the problems of this state. just like the president, i'm a business man. i've had 40 years of experience meeting budgets, hiring people
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and holding them accountable. >> meanwhile, lieutenant governor gavin newsom taking a little flak from his own party for targeting cox because he believe also the strategy is to go after a republican he may do better against in a general election. here'snewsom. >> my biggest concern is apathy. my biggest concern is people one thing and it doesn't manifest unless people convert their point of view to an actual vote. meaning polls don't vote, people vote. donald trump's support of john cox, i think that was a game changer y respects i thi campaign, and i think you're seeing a lot of consolidation around john cox's candidacy because of the trump support. >> the polls, the race for second place, is very tight. keep in mind is now a state where independents are now registered ahead of republicans. all this coming up today. we'll be here live at the polls, send it back to you. >> let me bring back dana
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milbank. dana, this idea that you've got too many democrats running out there in california, it might end up actually hurting the party under these primary rules. what do you say to that? >> well, it's sort of the law of unintended consequences. these were put in place particularly in western states, the jungle primary, toix things up, to get some of the partisanship out of it. you do have thi potential t backfire in that way. there are a couple of house jungle primaries out there where democrats have been worried that two republicans would sneak in. that worry seems to have faded as the election has a proeched in the last couple of days. but you could certainly see why gavin newsom would rather run against a trump-endorsed republican in november then a fellow democrat. that would sort of take all the -- the fizz out of the race to run against a fellow democrat. and as you guys pointed out, a trump endorsement still counts for something among the
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republican voters of california in this primary fo but in a general election, trump's endorsement has made him a dead man walking. >> dana milbank, i want to get your take on one more thing. something else the former president bill clinton said to me about politics and his viability today. here's what he said. >> politics has always been a contact sport. it's a tough business. you don't want to get -- it's like if you're a quarterback in pro football, you can't complain when you get sacked, right? i mean, it's a contact sport. the analog in politics is now hit first and it doesn't matter if it's a lie or not, just keep telling it. i don't even know if i could win any kind of race today. >> what do you think of that? do you buy that? you think if you were running today, he would not be as formidable as a force as he was 20 years agoing? >> i agree. i think for slightly different reasons, not just because of the rough and tumble but because of
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the ideological changes he wouldn't have been lieutenant governor of arkansas. that wouldn't happen general or governor of arkansas. very likely with his moderate position it would be chosen as a democratic nominee for the same reasons that republican party would today reject not just george w. bush but ronald reagan could not survive a republican primary today. >> leave it there. always good to have you, dana milbank, thank you. disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein pled guilty in court, three charges involving rape and criminal sex acts and two allegations from two separate women, one in 2004 the other in 2013, weinstein is free on $1 million in court, should be back in court in september. the pageant says its pageant
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days are scrapping a swimsuit competition and no longer judge contestants based on their physical appearance. gretchen carlson says the decision comes as a result of me too movement. carlson said the organization is proud to evolve. and we continue to keep a very close eye on devastating situation in guatemala, a volcanic eruption has taken the lives at least 69 people so far. officials at this point are not sure how many more are missing at this hour. hundreds of rescue workers are struggling to search for low areas and against impossible conditions near and around the volcano. in hawaii, lava destroyed more than 100 homes in one of the state's rural districts. the volcanic activity on the big island has not let up since early may.
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attorney general jeff sessions just defended a controversial policy that separates my grant children from their parents when they arrive at the u.s. border. xbl every person that enters illegally like that should be prosecuted and can be given immunity to people children with them reclessly and improperly and illegally. they should never do that. well taken care of within 72
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hours, taken the health and services, to be sure they are properly cared for. the law requires us to keep children in a different facility than we do for adults. >> a new nbc report shows that part of what he just said there is not the case. hundreds of these children who have been separated from their parents are now stuck at these rder stations. courtney is one of the reporters who brought that story. walking tlous through what your found in your reporting. >> what we found is about 300 the 550 children helgd at temporary border stations have been there for more than 72 hours and that a significant portion of those are children under the age of 12. so as attorney general jeff sessions just said in that sound bite, they are not spending less than 72 hours but that's not always the case. these are the temporary border facilities where kids come in
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and they are processed. they are separated from their parents and then they are suo become the custody of the department of health and human services hhs. they are taken to other longer term facilities where it typically takepwds of 4 days until they are placed with a family member in the united states or something is -- it's a longer term solution. my colleague and i found out though that there's a backlog now. hhs who's holding over 11,000 children right now, processing them, is running out of space to keep these kids. the facilities are now at or near capacity. so they've started looking at military installations and other federal facilities down near the border. a couple of the facilities they are looking at are goodfellow air force base and fort bliss, all in texas, craig. >> what do we know about the conditions of these facilities? >> the temporary facilities where the kids have been -- these 500 children are right now are just not meant for a longer
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term solution. they don't tend to have the medical care. they don't have individual sleeping areas and tend to be in a larger area with a bunch of kids. we don't yet know where these- this next solution will be for hhs. 's not the first time that immigrants have been housed on a military installation and there's various options that the federal government will have to decide on. it will be hhs that will be touring these facilities. you know, it could be everything from a large field that becomes -- where they build -- actually build strungt tours to unoccupied dorms. we just don't know yet. they are doing site surveys this week and next week. >> it almost sounds they are making this up as they go to a certain extent. you report that the policy seems to catch them off guard. w can that be? >> they just weren't prepared for this large influx of children. so the numbers really do fluctuate quite a bit. every month we're hearing how much thousands of people came
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across the border and are now being -- going through this process. but hhs was not prepared for -- as i said, as our story reports, they are not holding 11,200 children and it's not a very quick process. it takes upwards of 45 days to get them through to get them se well, they just don't have the space for it right now. they need to expand it out. it's not first time they've used these military installations for this kind of thing but it seems as if they need a new solution to what is becoming now a problem and backlog at the border. >> courtney, thank you. when we have time here, we like to leave you with a smile. so let's do it. gerbe rext officially debuted the new ad campaign for 2018 and this year's gerber baby is making history, lucas warn is the first child with down syndrome to be give the iconic title in the 91-year history. the company ceo and president
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says it was lucas' smile that put him ahead of more than 100,000 contestants. he ads just went up on facebook and instagram, they say their son is already getting more attention wherever he goes and he's loving it. we are too. hope that leaves you with a smile. that wraps up this hour. katy tur joins me now from -- oh, look on a beach in california. >> first off, what a cute little baby. secondly, yes, we're in huptington beach california, at least it's gloomy. >> it is nice but i'm in the stud studio, you win. >> it is gorgeous here, it's 2:00 p.m. in the eastern and 11:00 a.m. here in huntington beach,


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