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we're just going to go to the shore. >> you know me, all summer long, let's do it. >> i'm in. thank you, steph. i'm hallie jackson where the world stage belongs to donald trump, to shinzo abe of japan and rudy giuliani of brooklyn because you seem to have rudy going rogue telling me he doesn't regret any of his recent rema remarks including slamming stormy daniels about being a porn star and what kim jong-un did to land that sit-down with donald trump. that's why the minister is coming here for the abe lobby as he tries to make sure he is not cut out of those talks and that great grandmother pardoned by president trump. alice johnson now free, now talking, look at that emotional reunion. we'll show you her message to the president, to kim kardashian and other people just like her. >> i can't just walk away and forget about those who have been left behind.
>> we have a ton of new developments to get to this morning including new reaction to rudy giuliani's comments aimed at discrediting stormy daniels. her lawyer michael avenatti was on the phone with stephanie ruhle less than an hour ago. >> this is an absolutely disgusting pig and should be fired immediately. the fact that he has doubled down on his comments today show how in touch -- out of touches with today's society, show what a pig he truly is, shows that he thinks he's above the law and above rebuke and it shows that he must believe that this president will support him and back him for these outrageous comments against women and my client. enough is enough. this cannot be allowed to stand. we cannot have men in positions of power basically making these statements against women, any
woman. it doesn't matter what a woman's professional is, it has nothing to do with their credibility or whether they should be respected. it doesn't matter what a woman looks like, it has nothing to do with whether they should be respected or believed, period. enough is enough. this is outrageous, i agree with mika's comments earlier today. i saw them and i agree 100%, mika, with what you said. the time has come for women to speak out and let me say this, if rudy giuliani is not fired immediately by this president, it is an outrage and it should send a message to every woman in america as to what this president thinks is acceptable. you know, if the "access hollywood" tape wasn't enough, this should be. at some point the line has been crossed and it was crossed long
ago and we should not continue to give these guys a pass. >> so let's start at the white house there. my colleague kel i o'donnell is there. you heard avenatti. but it was the president's personal lawyer who put this in motion with comments rudy giuliani made. he is on a trip overseas to israel, right? >> these are legal combatants who are getting into the mudslinging and at times it feels like mud wrestling going after each other trying to undercut the cases so for rudy giuliani, he is chipping away at the credibility of stormy daniels and anything that sort of falls into the category of the civil complaints related to her and her lawyer, michael avenatti, and he's done it in an inflammatory way talking about what she has done as a job and how she looks and suggesting that somehow that's not good enough for his friend donald trump. here's rudy giuliani. >> i don't even think there's a slight suspicion that it's true when you -- excuse me, when you look at stormy daniels, i know
donald trump and look at his three wife, right? beautiful women, classy women, women of great substance. stormy daniels? i respect all human beings, i even have to respect criminals. but i'm sorry, i don't respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance or a woman who has great respect for herself as a woman and as a person and isn't going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. so, stormy, you want to bring a case let me cross-examine you. >> so we see giuliani trying to chip away, trying to attack stormy daniels and in a way trying to diminish the legal claims that she and her attorney are making. that's important because rudy giuliani's job is not to deal with that matter. it's all about the mueller case so for him to be wading into that is really tactical to try to bat that away. we saw the president today, of
course, going at the mueller investigation using a new configuration i first noticed over the weekend, hallie, in his tweeting where he's combining a couple of his favorite, witch-hunt and hoax into witch-hunt hoax and he's attacking the lawyers of these special counsel's team calling them the 13 angry democrats. a different tweet there but you get the idea. >> yeah. >> the president is going at it trying to undercut, undercut, undercut and even he probably knows that witch-hunt is getting a little old so polished it up and added witch-hunt hoax, your lacest tweet obsessment. >> thank you very much for all of that. there's a lot going on at the white house and we'll come back to you. for now i want to switch over to skype where alan dershowitz is joining me. let me ask you, you're an attorney. the president sometimes quotes what you say when it comes to his legal strategy. so as a lawyer, should rudy
giuliani be fired as michael avenatti claims he should? >> well, first of all, i don't think it's dignified to have this kind of back and forth where avenatti is calling him a pig. you don't relate any human being to animals. i didn't approve of much of what giuliani said. i don't think it justifies his firings, i think it justifies his being called in and told essentially, you know, stick to what your job is as the president's lawyer, don't start speculating about north korea. do your job as the president's lawyer. and i think he's doing a good job as the president's lawyer. in many ways in terms of his negotiations with mueller, in terms of his laying out a legal strategy, but it's very hard to be a lawyer and a media person at the same time, particularly when you don't have a singular message, when you have a message that's diffuse and different messages coming out of different
parts of the legal representation of donald trump. that doesn't -- that's not a prudent way of proceeding. you need a singular narrative and you need it to be expressed in a clear way is there let me ask you then, i spoke with rudy giuliani this morning as we talked about it and i said, made your point. you 25talked about kim jong-un d things not in your lane. you don't handle those for the white house. that's not your role. why keep talking about them and his response was i was asked a question. i'm going to respond. should ruderman y giuliani alwa so responsive? from a legal perspective is that a good idea. >> i have known rudy since 1973. he always expresses his views on every subject, normally he doesn't even wait to be asked. it would it be better if he said i'm representing the president now and i'm speaking as rudy giuliani, former mayor of new york, former u.s. attorney, man with opinions on every issue, i
am speaking as the president's lawyer and as the president's lawyer i am authorized to make the following statements. i think that would be a better tact for him to follow and i suspect he'll hear that from some of the other lawyers on the team, but, you know, rudy is rudy. you hire him, you hire the whole package and there's a lot of positives that you get as well. he gets a tremendous amount of media attention. and it's not easy to get that kind of media attention and then just limit yourself to comments about the case you about he ought to do it. >> alan, is he acting in his client's best interest because that would be the underpinning of all of this. sure, rudy giuliani likes to speak his mind and goes on television and returns reporters arizona phone calls but is that actually serving donald trump in this case? >> there's only one person who can answer that question and that's donald trump. we don't know what donald trump's interests are. whether his interests are in having him speak on a variety of issues or narrow issue. the one thing a lawyer can't do
is hurt his client's interests and i'm sure president trump would be the first to tell rudy giuliani if he thought he was hurting his interests so that's an issue between giuliani and his client. >> before i let you go, alan, just to be clear here and you alluded to this, the comments that giuliani made about stormy daniels, you find them unacceptable, it sounds like? >> you know, i don't like people commenting about how women earn their living. if you were cross-examining in a courtroom, he would have to make a judgment call as to whether to raise issues about her background and credibility but in the court of public opinion, in the year 2018, those kinds of comments have the risk of certainly alienating a great many people and so i'd be very cautious about making generalizations about any woman and the occupation she's pursuing. >> alan, you clearly have a platform that the president occasionally listens to and quoted you and some of your comments related to robert mueller saying it proves we never needed a special counsel,
et cetera, et cetera, only part of your comment when you were on television. are you intentional when you say these things knowing the president will hear them? are you sending a message to donald trump? >> i'm sending a message to the american public and try to do what the american civil liberties union ought to be doing and isn't which is defending the civil liberties of the president and all americans. my audience is the american public and anybody can listen but i have no special interest in the president hearing me. i hope all americans take seriously my argument for civil liberties and would make the same if hillary clinton had been elected president and they were targeting her or urging her impeachment. i'm here to talk about civil liberties. >> alan dershowitz joining us via skype. professor, thanks for joining us on the show. i'm joined by joyce vance former u.s. attorney and msnbc national security interest. frank fagluzzi, senior washington correspondent for politico and anna palmer here
with along with sahil kapoor. joyce, to you first. your overall takeaway and, again, i want to ask a legal piece and for you what you make of giuliani's remarks and the back and forth with avenatti about stormy daniels. >> well, giuliani's remarks are reprehensible. i don't think there's any other way to characterize them. we now live in a country where we've normalized this idea that it's okay, that for the president to have a whole team of lawyers who represent him on a range of issues from whether he conspired with russia to influence the election to how he treated a series of women and made a variety of allegations about him and now we're normalizing the fact it's okay for one of his lawyers to get up and denigrate women and talk about women including the president's current and former wives based on their appearance. >> wait a second. there are people speaking out about this, joyce, including senator elizabeth warren who was on the show or on this network i should say talking with morning
joe within the last 90 minutes and certainly was not in your words normalizing it. here's what she had to say. >> yeah, rudy giuliani thinks that the way he is going to protect the president of the united states is to try to demean and degrade a woman who has brought what appears to be a pretty credible charge. it is wrong and it's an insult to every woman in this country. >> joyce. >> i like senator warren's comments very much and when i say normalize, my fear is we hear professional dershowitz who is talking about these comments and saying well, rudy shouldn't is said that because it might alienate people. rudy shouldn't have made those comments because they're wrong and women and men alike should demand that the president distance himself from those comments because he's supposed to be the president for all people. when his spokesperson talking about women or any american in these kind of terms in essence
dehumanizing others of our citizens and our fellow americans, that is wrong. that conduct coming from the president or his spokesperson is something that we should never get used to or tolerate. >> frank, is kelly o'donnell pointed out at the top of the program, rudy giuliani doesn't actually deal with the stormy daniels case for president trump. he was brought in to work with the president's legal team as it reels to the special counsel investigation and robert mueller, right? this morning we're getting new polling, some new numbers about just how americans feel about the robert mueller investigation and this speaks to the point that joyce was making just a moment ago, the idea that americans are listening to some particularly republicans, particularly the president called it a witch-hunt hoax, right? only 53% of americans say they have confidence in a fair and impart robert mueller investigation. 4 in 10 people presumably 4 in 10 people watching this show, the news, cable generally do not think that robert mueller is fair and impartial and a third don't think it should continue.
i just want to get your reaction to those numbers. it seems striking, frank. >> it's disturbing and it's an indication that the american people will absorb and adopt what is fed to them if it's fed to them enough. so rudy has already told the american public the strategy here is to win hearts and minds for a possibly impeach many and then have american people influence their members of congress so that they won't impeach and today, the last 24 hours we reached a new low in that scorched earth policy to personally attack bob mueller but claiming he's trying to frame the president. i went and looked up in a legal dictionary the free legal dictionary what the definition of frame means. it means to accuse falsely or unjustly, bear false witness, incriminate falsely and fabricate evidence. we have rudy giuliani who used to stand for law and order as a prosecutor, now standing for lies and obfuscation and
attacking a man who is above repurchase, bob mueller, and claiming evidence is fabricated. he hasn't seen the evidence. he doesn't know what bob mueller has, but he's planting that seed and watering it for the american public and hoping it somehow grows into something. that's what we have to guard against here. rudy is going down a path that leads us to distrust tuesdays and not understand what the truth is when confronted by it. >> when we talk about institution, frank, very quickly we have new reporting from our own pete williams just coming in this morning talking about something else the president has railed against, what he likes to call spygate as it relates to this. apparently doj officials will offer today to further brief the gang of 8, that group of top lawmakers to provide the opportunity to review certain supporting documents made available during a prior briefing back in, remember a couple of weeks ago, may 4th i think it was and to refresh people's memories, documents related to this claim that the president has made that somebody was spying on his campaign, that there was a spy planted in the
trump campaign as we know, the fbi was conducting a counterintelligence investigation into russian interference. how unusual is it for them to say gang of eight, let's talk through it. >> we're in unchartered territory but it appears doj and fbi are bening over backwards to show transparency and said we've had the speaker of the house said we have handled it appropriately. trey gowdy has said it. here's some new information. but we're going down this path of politicizing intelligence and someday there will be severe consequences to national security if congress continues to identify methods and techniques they don't need to know. >> frank figluizzi and joyce, thanks. we have plenty to discuss including that pardon from the president letting a 63-year-old
grandmother walk out of prison ending what was going to be a life sentence for a nonviolent drug offense. watch. i'm so thankful for it. i can't explain it. an amazing moment for johnson. her pardon doesn't line up for the president's policies about drug offenders and what about thousands of others in the same situation? we'll talk about that and another mess for scott pruitt. the latest why his ethics and dining habits are being called into question as the list of swampy headlines gets a little longer. oh don't... it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier... cut...it...out! [laughing] what year is it? as long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more
there are other people just like me who are nonviolent first i'm nonviolent offenders who pose no safety risk to their communities. so i can't just walk away and forget about those who have been left behind. >> that is alice johnson out on the "today" show about what she will do with her second chance at life. with the president you could call it keeping up with the commutations shortening her sentence after a plea from kim kardashian west. what does it mean for future pardons he's considering and does it sync up with his policy on drug offenders. we'll get to talk to the rest of our panel. tom, we were talking during the commercial break to peel back the curtain. don't kill me but i said i want to talk through the process. you said normally or now and speaks to where we are.
phillip baum in "the washington post" has a sarcastic checklist of what you need to do to get a pardon. are you a darling of conservative politics or a celebrity? the next best thing if you're not a celebrity do you know one, can you get on fox, any friends who know the president, are you in the sights of the special counsel? clearly this is not really what donald trump is looking at but it does speak to the pattern that we have seen in most of his pardons so far. >> that's right and, look, i don't think you can say enough how unusual what we're seeing is. the pardon decision is usually a very lengthy complicated process. it's document intensive. pardons are processed through a small even knit within the department of justice, the pardon attorney and review long applications that will have affidavits from your grade schoolteacher, people who have known you throughout your life and since you reformed in prison and all comes in the form of ultimate recommendation to the president whether to grant a pardon or not. what we have seen lately is essenti essentialally the circumvengs, end-around of that traditional process.
the president is making these calls as he ceases them. >> he's allowed to do that. >> the constitution gives him vast authority to do it. i think what's interesting is how people are getting on the president's radar screen. we saw kim kardashian go into the white house. we see things where the president might see something on tv and ago on that basis. i don't want to say that aspect is unbless dented. we saw during the obama administration sometimes he had celebs lobbying him for a pardon but let's see if it continues or if the president starts expanding it to include people who aren't on television. >> well, right. >> or in the celebrity klieg lights. >> or doesn't have the support of a celebrity like johnson. what an emotional moment of her running across the street for the first time into the arms of her family. seeing the children that she hasn't seen in over two decades. she had served her time and was convicted and then this happened. it's an incredible moment for the johnson family. there are also a lot of other families as johnson talked about that she is now trying to help. she was also asked this morning by savannah or maybe hoda.
why do you think kim kardashian west picked up on your story? what was it about your story that allowed you to get this help that got you on the radar? she said it was god that was able to do this. kardashian west talked about who else was involved in this process and it was jared kushner. listen. >> he really spent the time to listen to our case that we were making for alice. he really understood the president seems to have a passion for everything that jared has been trying to do and that just makes me happy that conversation is just moving forward. >> but it's not like we saw kushner come out and take credit. he's been laying low. we know he's working on prison reform. how does he play into this. >> he's been playing in a lot of different spheres and has not had a lot of success. he's taking a more behind-the-scenes look. as far as prison reform one of the things on capitol hill that both republicans and democrats
largely agree on and that is something he's been pushing but it's in a very different position than where his attorney general is, where they have been on some of these -- where they're looking at prosecuting cases so definitely attention within the white house on this. >> go ahead. >> i think there are thousands of other nonviolent drug offenders who would love to get kim's attention. based on the fact that he has been dispensing them throughout the regular process, the merit is not something people are necessary -- >> right, roo it. >> if you go back and look at history, an interesting piece is that in the 1780s constitutional convention there was an argument as to whether the president should have unfettered power to pardon and some objected and said the senate should approve that and the federalist said, no, the president should have this power to dispense mercy. most presidents have followed this process. the question is what happens when you get to a place where a president is -- you know, unjustly or for the wrong
reasons pardoning meme is the question for procedurely -- >> late 18th century historical politics. that's why i have you on. a little bit of the president's policies where he was and where he's going and i promise we'll let you go. what he had to say about drug offenders. he's had tough rhetoric on them before. listen. >> if we don't get tough on the drug dealers, we're wasting our time. just remember that. we're wasting our time. and that toughness includes the death penalty. >> does the johnson pardon to you, tom, signal the president might be moving in a different direction from a few months ago? >> i think he might be. look, the fact that the president has discovered this new power in which he's unfettered. no one can stop him from exercising it, jeff sessions can't stop him. he can do what he watches and go with his glut. he loves it and i think we'll see a lot more going forward. >> president obama had people come. kendrick lamar came, george
clooney, sudan. celebs try to work with -- >> anybody tries to use the toolbox they have and celebrities have that megaphone. the obama presidency was the celebrity presidency. >> anna, stick around. tom, thanks for coming on. we have more, believe it or not, after the break. alice johnson later on in this network will be joiningally velshi 11:00 right here on msnbc. it's going to be an interesting conversation and ask you to tune in and stick around after the break. happening on capitol hill a live shot, it looks real boring that is because you cannot see what can happening down that hallway. house republicans meeting behind closed doors at this moment for a make or break moment on immigration. we're waiting for them to walk down the hallway to see if they had any kind of dice on a deal. we'll fill you in. i've got to tell you something important. it's not going to be easy. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. actually, that's super easy.
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so right now over the capitol house republicans are in a make or break meeting behind closed doors just out of this picture. they're trying to hash out some kind of agreement on immigration. and prevent what woo be an embarrassing revolt from playing out on the house floor. nbc's kasie hunt is on the hill with the latest. i know lawmakers are starting to
walk out of that meeting. if you need to go after them i grant you all the permission in the world to do that. >> reporter: thank you. i appreciate that. that's right, hallie. we saw the majority leader kevin mccarthy come and go and conveniently a men's rest room right here which sometimes you will see the leadership use although they rarely, rarely top to talk when they're on their way. that tells you -- >> you know how to pick your spots but we are anticipating that this meeting is going to go on for some time, although as you point out we have seen members kind of come and go a little bit. by all accounts and i've been talking to some members who are inside the room as this unfolds, you are hearing members speak at the microphones, i would not say that at least per my reporting the characterizations are positive. i would say that this meeting has been a difficult one and that it's really not clear at this point that there is a compromise to be had. now, this, of course, should not necessarily be a huge surprise.
this issue has split the republican conference in two. it's a huge test for the house speaker, paul ryan, who, of course, already said he'll leave that job and this is a very tenuous negotiation for him. there are these moderate members who are incredibly frustrated they have not been listened to and facing tough alexander coel they are frustrated and feel like the leadership has gone with the right wing of the caucus. the freedom caucus. and, you know, quite frankly with ryan on his way out there is potentially less reason -- congressman, do you think there's a path to a compromise? >> he says he does think there is a path to a compromise. i remain skeptical. that was the khairul of the nrcc. but, hallie, i'm happy to send it back to you. we can keep you updated. >> a sticking point, pathway to
citizenship? >> that seems to be the biggest issue. something moderates feel is required and, of course, something that the house freedom caucus feels like they could never vote for and would consider it to be amnesty, of course, a big question where the president is in this, as you know, the legislative liaison was in here talking about the president's perspective. >> i will to the distracting you from your duties. anna and sahil are here and we'll talk to one of the lawmakers on the other side of the aisle coming up but i wanted to get you in first. both have been doing in-depth reporting on what is going down, anna, a lot out in playbook this morning. where does this go, because as kasie talked about there's a major sticking point. >> so far the meeting, all what i'm hearing it is a stalemate. republicans are no no closer to finding a pathway forward. there aren't fireworks or people yelling. the speak ser generally trying to figure out a way forward but i just want to -- the underpinning of this in the playbook, this is all a
political scam, seriously this is not going to result in law. this is all theatrics. >> exactly. that's something i want to ask our next guest about. >> she's right. 9 house republicans have stalemated since 2013 on the issue of immigration. every so often we're close to a deal and negotiating, i'm optimistic. three factions are irreconcilable, the moderates that -- >> kasie has peter king. we'll go back and listen in. >> actually from both sides from the freedom caucus and from those advocating the discharge petition you but, again, some more details but the goal would be to have this done before the end of july. >> is there a discharge petition that threat, has it been averted or still a risk for the leader? for the speaker? >> i would say right now it's on hold but, again, i'm 23409 on the discharge petition so i can't speak for them but got the impression so long as it goes forward in good faith they would hold off. >> are there any circumstances under which the freedom caucus could support a path to
citizenship for dreamers? >> you have to ask them. the tone is good. no acrimony which is unusual when it comes to this topic. everyone seems to be getting along. seriously, on each of the pillars or each of the issues out there on immigration, paul laid them out, there seems to be consensus we can find an agreement but that wasn't reached today. >> what is the consensus on a path to citizenship? >> you have been listening to peter king talking about confirming what you said, not tense, not dramatic but doesn't seem to be a lot of agreement and peter king, sahil, saying, maybe this discharge petition has been averted. that is one thing that is different. you haven't had 200 -- what's the number at now. >> 215. >> 3 more they immediate. >> to go for the discharge petition which would force this embarrassing floor vote for paul ryan. no the a great thing. he wants to avoid it. >> several. >> pretty much won that battle and mark meadow, when i asked
him he said they'll get the votes and this entire negotiation right now is a last-ditch effort from the hard-liners to prevent them from moving forward. the three factions, moderates who want a path forward and hard-liners like bob who say give them temporary work permits but also impose strict border security measures and legal immigration and then the steve king faction, no mercy whatsoever. >> somebody on the other side, democratic congressman cuellar with us from texas has not signed the discharge petition. thank you for being on here? thank you. >> let me start with this. we've been watching some republicans coming out of the conference meeting. peter king making noise like maybe they came to some kind of compromise but the bottom line is isn't this just theatrics? is this all a stunt? nothing they do will probably pass through donald trump's desk so talk through where you see this really going. >> really going, the republicans are in a very difficult situation. i think you saw the senate
republican leader say yesterday that they don't have immigration on their calendar, number one, and then, of course, you have seen the president where the president said if there is no wall attached to it then he's not going to be supporting that, so it's going to be a long way and i think the ball is really on the republicans to died because as you are reporting said a few minutes ago you got the extreme folks saying there's no way they'll support any sort of pathway to citizenship and then you got the moderates that are trying to do the right thing and that's the debate that the republicans have to look at and certainly it's going to -- they'll look at this as the november elections get closer. >> will you sign the discharge petition, congressman? >> you know, if you look, of course, i support the dreamers, if you look at, i have a signed on to it. >> why not sign on to it. >> let me punishment i signed on to the legislation. i've supported this. in fact, in 2009 we passed a
dreamer bill that went over the senate, didn't go anywhere. of course i support that. the problem is i just want to make sure that our side doesn't negotiate the wall just so quickly and that's one thing that i've been talking about leadership and, of course, i want to sign but i just want to make sure we don't start negotiating the wall because the wall is something that i'm also very concerned. dreamers are important, but i still have to look at the wall that people have been talking and i've been reading from our own leadership that they support the wall and are willing to negotiate on that. i do understand what the reality is. i do understand republicans control the house and the senate and the white house and understand that but want to make sure we fight the wall and don't equate it to border security when we can use technology and personnel instead of 14th century solution called the wall. >> congressman, very quickly here, we have new polling out showing the president's approval rating has gone up four points since the last time we did this,
april. more than six in ten americans satisfied with the economy. dems hold an advantage on the generic ballot but are you concerned about this when it comes to the midterms? >> certainly it's still a long time before we get to the november election. i've seen polls go up and down. but certainly, you know, we got to look at those numbers but, again, it's a long time before the november election gets here. >> congressman cuellar, thanks for talking to us. scott pruitt and the daily deluge of damaging headlines from trying to land his wife a chick-fil-a franchise. now where he has lunch. two of his aides reportedly step down. we came here for the friends. and we got to know the friends of our friends. then our old friends from middle school, our mom, our ex and our boss joined forces to wish us happy birthday.
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the president actually praised pruitt yesterday. gave him props. even after another day of headlines you might consider a little swampy. new from politico sores say pruitt took advantage dying in the exclusive restaurant run by the navy a lot and reported resignations of two of his closest aides then the chick-fil-a connection we talked about on this program yesterday. pruitt underfire for reaching out to the head of the fast food change to help his wife get a franchise. pruitt later told a reporter he likes chick-fil-a. tulsa needs more of them. i'm joined now by political white house reporter andrew restuccia and anna palmer along with cahill kapsahil kapur. there's nothing wrong with having lunch. people are allowed to eat. >> you know, pruitt's allies say he just likes the food there. there's not a cafeteria in the epa. it's not too far from the white house but over the last couple
of months hearing from white house aides by the amount of time he is there and not just pruitt but his friends and, you know, donors from oklahoma that he brings in very often and relatively small space and all this led up to last year the white house telling all cabinet secretaries they can't use the white house mess as their personal diming hall. it's been another awkward and bad week for scott pruitt in a long line of awkward and bad weeks for him. >> so maybe awkward in the eyes of some, his allies as you say are like who cares. there are people who believe in scott pruitt that would say this doesn't matter. this isn't about policy. this is so dumb. the president likes him. story should be over, right? >> yeah, you know, then we've heard that from people both before and after the story. why are you focusing on where he eats. this is something people are talking about in the white house and they've been talking about it for more than a year and it is part of a broader pattern of pruitt, you know, allegedly
thinking he's special, right? that's the allegation against him. he is above rules and the norms that a normal cabinet secretary would abide by. >> well, here senator john kennedy, senator sound bite talking about scott pruitt. here's what he had to say. >> the hits just keep on coming and i think he's hurting the president and, therefore, he's hurting the country. some of these things that mr. pruitt apparently has done, i know some of them are allegation, some of them are facts, he is acting like a moron. and he needs to stop it. it's not personal. but he just needs to stop acting -- misbehaving. >> senator kennedy, ladies and gentlemen, so here's the thing, anna, and sahil, he said it's not personal. an argument i have heard. they say scott pruitt is implementing policy, right? he is implementing policy the president likes. here's my question to you. could the president find somebody else who would also
implement policy but maybe not do all these other things as well? >> yeah, i mean he's been effective at the epa in terms of, you know, putting together and pushing forward trump's agenda but so have many of his other cabinet secretaries and they're not in the news every day. this is a constant drag. one surprising thing the president doesn't like when the headlines is not about him. this is a long-standing narrative, drip after drip after drip. >> here's what he said at fema. watch. >> administrator scott pruitt, thank you, scott, very much. epa is doing really, really well and, you know, somebody has to say that about you a little bit. you know that, scott. but you have done -- i tell you, the epa is doing so well. >> it's the awkward laughter from a couple people next to scott pruitt at that moment here. i was scolded recently by a source who said, god, do you think dems will be happy if they get this scalp? is that where it will end?
that was the attitude of the person inside the administration. it feels aggrieved about it. even those who don't like his behavior. >> they don't like scott pruitt for the ethics infactions against him but for the agenda he's implementing or that he's rolling back president obama's initiatives. what would it take at this point for the president to cut him loose. >> andrew. >> the support has broken. have joni ernst, the senator from iowa, not anyone's idea of a flame thrower as swampy as you get. interesting thing, hallie, some republicans who are now criticizing him don't like is that he's going after biofuels. big issue in iowa. >> yeah. >> waivers from the renewable fuel standard. ernst is not happy with it. maybe they'll put up ethics products -- >> mess with their corn, don't do it. before i let you go, andrew, not just what's happening on capitol hill outside the epa but what is happening inside as well because "the atlantic" has been reporting and others as well
there are a couple of pruitt aides resigning amid these scandals. one was tired of being thrown under the bus by pruitt. when asked for comment a spokesperson responded you have a great day. you're a piece of trash. where are we? what are we doing? >> yeah, i mean certainly an unusual comment unusual comment from the taxpayer-paid spokesperson for the epa there, but within the agency there's just a lot of tension. there has been for quite some people, and people who work for proo pruitt feel like they're taking the blame for his problems and people at the white house feel the same way. they're sick of having to answer questions about scott pruitt. they're done with it. >> totally. i've had that same experience. thank you for coming on. appreciate your reporting. president trump has a big, huge, gigantic, enormous, potentially legacy defining meeting coming up. it's true that describes the
summit with north korea. it also describes tomorrow's g7 meeting in canada. because as foreign policy goes, this is historically tame for the united states. it's a get together with our closest friends. that is not so much the case this year. those friends like germany, canada, france, they're nervous about donald trump. they're not thrilled. he pulled out of global trade deals. they're not thrilled with his newest tariffs and now president trump apparently doesn't see the point in going. "the washington post" reports he sees the g7 as a distraction. nothing more than an opportunity for foreign leaders to lecture him on why he's wrong. the president had these rather testy conversation with justin trudeau telling him he slapped on the new u.s. tariffs for national security reasons and then reportedly joked, after all, didn't canada burn down the white house in the war of 1812? they did not. british did. canada was not around in 1812. we'll talk about that and north korea. we have the former u.s.
ambassador to the u.n. and onset with us, sue, a former cia korean analyst as well as the korea director at the national of security counsel. an anna and saw hill have gone nowhere. i'll be here before i head to singapore. let me play you what justin trudeau had to say today about his relationship with donald trump. this is interesting. watch. >> i think it's been a feature of the relationship that i and certainly macron have maintained with the president that allows us to be blueprint and frank -- blunt and frank and we have been. >> ambassador, blunt and frank is one thing. right? the question is when does that start to sour? has it started to sour or is the relationship okay. when the president goes to the u.s., are you concerned about
the tariffs issue? are you concerned about the goals that the u.s. may or may not have here? >> well, these are our allies, the g7. this is our friends. this is germany. this is france. this is canada. you know, and the president has a very aggressive foreign and trade policy. he slapped tariffs on mexico, canada, threatens to pull out of nafta with germany and france and britain. we're skirmishing on the iran deal. they didn't want us to pull out. we did. it's natural that our allies are not happy with us. they feel the u.s. has abandoned europe, our allies, and so what worries me is before this north korea summit, you want international support for what we're doing. the good news is that the president wants to prepare for the north korea summit. it doesn't want to go to the canada summit. but at the same time these are
our friends. why get into these fights with our friends right before probably the most crucial foreign policy legacy national security priority for the united states? >> and so what does donald trump need to do in light of the fact that he's heading to singapore for this north korea talk. what does he need to accomplish at the g7? which some analysts are saying g 6 plus one with the extra one being trump. >> he has to attend. >> sorry. >> he's got to go. >> ambassador, i wish you were here with us onset. that would be more fun, but the white house said this morning, yeah, he's going. he's still planning to go. this rumor came up that maybe he was not a rumor. the white house kept insisting the president is going. you're saying his attendance is mandatory, huh? >> yes. i think he has to go. take the heat. be gracious. try to build support for his korea summit. change the subject. and maybe stop some of these
tariffs. it doesn't make sense to get into a war right now, a trade war with your friends, with your allies. it hurts the u.s. economy. our agriculture. >> speaking of allies, one is coming to the white house in an hour and six minutes from now. we're talking about the japanese prime minister, shinzo abe who will be here. it's dubbed the abe lobby. i rolled my eyes and then put it in the show. but he is trying to lobby the president so he and japan can be more involved in the summit. >> absolutely. they're concerned and they should be. this is why they -- abe wants to have one more meeting with president trump to make sure the u.s. does not conclude a deal with the united states that isn't in japan's interest. and then there's the abduction issue too. he wants to put that on the table. >> what's the magic words prime
minister abe needs to say? what does he have to say to president trump? >> he already repeatedly said it. he doesn't need to say it one more time, but this is president trump, so we don't know if he's going to actually deal with this. >> but i would say if there's one thing we've learned about president trump, the more he hears it if it's on fox news or his advisersadvisers, it might difference. >> and if abe is the last one to talk to trump. >> this is an awkward venue for president trump. he's been hostile to the u.n. and wto and not afraid to poke american allies in the eye whether it's withdraws from the tpp or iran nuclear deal which the european allies are upset about or the paris climate accords which puts the united states on an island by itself. >> when we head to singapore, one of the people who will be heading to singapore is apparently dennis rodman, and
hogan giddily who is a press person was asked about whether rodman is going to be right there with kim jong-un and donald trump. here's what he said. >> he's great on the court, but i think the negotiations should best be left to those who are good at it and president trump is the best. and so we expect he and kim jong-un to have an amazing conversation without dennis rodman in tow. >> sue? >> listen, maybe he can at least break the ice or be part of the dinner or some sort of social event. if we could have michael jordan, i'll take almost anybody, but okay, dennis rodman. >> ambassador, i'll let you have the final thoughts on what prime minister has to say to president trump and on what president trump has to say to shinzo abe. >> prime minister abe is going to say to donald trump don't sell us out. short-range missiles that hit japan, make sure that they are
covered, that there's a freeze on those. secondly, keep me in the loop, because japan has been totally left out. south korea is getting all the glory, all the attention. japan is our main trading partner. a dear friend. and we've neglected them. what president trump needs to say to prime minister abe is hang in there, i'm going to protect you. but if i'm prime minister abe, i'd watch him every step of the way. >> i'm going to put anna on the spot quickly. there's a new conference happening in about three hours from now. i'll be there. if you had one question to the president today, what's your question? pop quiz. >> i would do daca and immigration. would you support republicans making a move on daca. >> i would ask what he's -- if he has an idea in his mind about what the united states is willing to give strategically for north korea to give up their
nukes. >> ambassador, thank you very much for coming onto talk. the rest of you, friends of the show, come back next week. for today a photo that tells an porptd story. that important story is happening in guatemala. check this out. rescuers. look at this picture here. carrying the coffin of one of their comrades who died while trying to rescue people after the volcanic eruption this week with 99 people now killed. that number is expected to keep going up. some 200 people are still missing. now there's a blame game over who's responsible. gauatemala guatemala's opposition to accusing the emergency response of not paying enough attention to the warnings homici-- warnin ahead of the eruption. we'd love to hear your thoughts. i will see you later on in the rose garden for the news conference and then tonight on nbc nightly lose with lester holt, and hopefully in this seat tomorrow.
ali velshi, to you. >> i was looking forward to seeing you on tuesday. we were supposed to do something together, but i guess you're going to singapore. >> i was excited for the philadelphia panel. me and you getting in person time together. >> i want to understand given the choice you chose singapore over philly. you always give me a bunch of goof about getting on the philly band wagon. >> this is my job. okay? ali. >> have a good rest of your day. see you later. good morning, everybody. it's thursday, june 7th. let's get smarter. >> when you live with -- i'm sorry, i don't respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman, a woman who has respect for herself as a woman, and as a person, and isn't going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. >> you misogynistic fool. are you kidding me? just look at stormy daniels?