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tv   MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle  MSNBC  June 8, 2018 6:00am-7:00am PDT

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>> you go back to december 2015 where donald trump defended vladimir putin and we were shock and we continued pushing him on it. again, we've always said it doesn't make sense. that didn't make sense, this doesn't make sense. vladimir putin has something on donald trump. >> we'll leave it right there. because that's definitely the one -- >> bingo. >> -- deducement we can make from everything we heard. which is quite a medley of concepts and mixed up facts from the president of the united states. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. >> hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, america first or america all alone. the president has some tough words as he departs the white house for the g-7 summit. >> if we are unable to make a deal, we will be better off right now. we are not going to live with the deals the way they are. >> but even before touching down, the president announces
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plans to skip out early on the summit to head to singapore early ahead of the north korea meeting. although it's not exactly clear why. >> i'm very well prepared. i don't think i have to prepare very much. it's about attitude. it's about willingness to get things done. >> and he also said there he's been preparing his whole life for it. plugging a leak. a longtime senate staffer is arrested for lying to investigators about his couldnt with reporters. as records of a reporter who once dated him are seized. >> it's a very key and important position. these charges obviously very serious. leaks are a serious problem. >> and chef, star, emmy award-winning tv host anthony bordain has died at the age of 61. this morning, cnn confirms the cause of death was suicide. we have a lot to get through this morning. we begin with the president promising to straighten out billions of dollars worth of international trade deals with
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america's closest friends and neighbors. just moments ago, sharing all of his arguments about everything from trade to porn stars to reporters on the south lawn. despite growing tension, the president said fiction thinxing would be easy, and then said when it's all over, quote, we'll all be in love again. i want to give you a background to explain why this summit is such a big deal. it will bring together the leaders of seven nations, friendly nations, the united states, canada, france, britain, italy and germany, as well as two representatives from the european union. on paper, the summit is supposed to touch on everything from jobs and gender equality to global security and clean energy. but we know what they really want to talk about, global trade, probably trust, too. remember, it was just a week ago that the president announced new tariffs on canada and the european union. in doing so, he also raised the stakes for the summit. and here's why. u.s. trade with the other g-7
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nations and the european union added up to more than 1.2 trillion bucks last year. all of them are on the list of our top ten trading partners. and together they're involved in nearly a third of all u.s. trade. no wonder then, the european and asian markets are down across the board this morning. guess what else is? u.s. futures. they're down to. the president, he was getting on a plane this morning and this is what he predicted, he predicted success. >> we are going to do very well. if we're unable to make a deal, we'll terminate nafta, we'll have a better deal. if we're unable to make a deal, we will be better off. right now, we are not going to live with the deals the way they are. european union treats us very unfairly. canada, very unfairly. mexico, very unfairly. with that being said, i think we'll probably very easily make a deal. russia should be in this meeting. why are we having a meeting
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without russia being in the meeting? and i would recommend and it's up to them but russia should be in the meeting. it should be a part of it. you know, whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. and in the g-7, which used to be the g-8, they threw russia out. they should let russia back in. we have massive trade deficits with almost every country. we will straighten that out. and i'll tell you what, it's what i do. it won't even be hard. and in the end, we'll all get along. >> it's what i do. this is a man who's gone bankrupt over four times. we need to help you understand, it used to be the g-8. russia was kicked out after they annexed crimea. it's amazing. ben rhodes tweeted this morning, if you ask yourself why putin helped trump win the election, just look at the g-7 summit.
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he treated that before president trump's remarks on the south lawn. where, out of the blue, he went there, defending, defending russia. it's amazing. i just also have to point out, he said, listen, if i don't get a better agreement on nafta, i'll tear it up and get something better. he told us he would do that when it came to the paris climate accord. you know what he's done since then on both, nothing. nbc's peter alexander is at the white house. and peter, you were right there, front and center. my biggest takeaway was the president and russia, russia, russia. how about you? >> i think you're right. i mean this was remarkable, frankly. i guess at this point we should no longer say anything is remarkable with this president. you know as well as i do that for this president, words often don't mean much. he just throws out these sort of verbal grenades and causes controversy. but i think it was significant what he said about russia today. as he heads up to that g-7 summit where there are significant tensions between the u.s. and its allies and in
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europe and in asia over trade and aye ran, that he now didn't suggest but called for russia to be reinstated to the former g-8, now g-7, basically you heard him say, he said, we have a world to run, why are we having this meeting if they are not going to be there. there was a lot of other news in his remarks today. just to wind our way through it. about his comments earlier in terms of his preparation for the summit, yesterday, remember, he said he doesn't need to be prepared. he said it's all about attitude. today, he said he's very prepared, he's been preparing. he said it's not something you can just prepare for for a week. he told me he would have 15 boxes with him on the plane for that 20 hour or so flight to singapore that will take place this weekend. the variety of other topics, about the first lady, he said she is remaining at the white house on doctor orders. he said she had a four-hour operation and the doctors said she cannot fly for a month.
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that was certainly news to us, given initially the white house said this was a surgical procedure and many doctors indicated based on the information we had it was one that she should have been out of the hospital within about a day or so. obviously she was there for nearly a week. about north korea, more broadly, he said he wants congress to sign off on any deal. so unlike the iran nuclear deal that he is basically pulled out of, he said this one would stick going forward. on rudy giuliani, he again praised his attorney rudy giuliani, saying he's doing a very good job. what was notable was the exchange i had with him, i thought when i asked him about giuliani's comments just yesterday in israel, giuliani, you will remember, said effectively he doesn't respect a woman who is a important star. that's not a respectable line of work. i asked the president what he made of those comments, if he agreed with that assessment, and he said, i'm not going to disagree with that. stephanie, that's just i think where we begin. one of the other items i think
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will infuriate a lot of the president's critics today. he said, he's not going to invite either the cavaliers or the warriors to the white house. help sai he said, i was never going to invite them. on the topic of pardons, there are 3,000 names on his list. we noted the possibility of muhammad ali. felt like it was out of the trump playbook where he was looking for a headline. recognize the supreme court overturned muhammad ali's conviction 8-0 years ago and there was a proclamation by jimmy carter that basically gave general amnesty to draft dodgers. so muhammad ali, now deceased, wouldn't necessarily need that pardon. stephanie. >> you are so professional in the way you just relayed that. i mean, give me a break on your muhammad ali. at the very least, do your homework, mr. president. we do have to point out the president was critical that when we played that clip of him talking about being prepared for the north korea summit, we
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didn't add what he said at the end, and he was critical, he said, i've been preparing all my life. i'd love to know, mr. president, when was that, when you appeared in playboy soft core porn movie? or when it was when you were leaking information, talking to tabloids about what a great lover you were? my panel, eddie gloud, princeton university professor. where i regularally call and leak information about how special i am. and john allen, national political reporter for nbc news in canada for the g-7, not the g-8, summit. president trump says fixing this deal, talking nafta, will be, quote, easy. >> well, we know that's not true. he said that on the campaign trail. and as you mentioned earlier, we
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have paris climate agreement. we have ttp. we have the iran deal. now we have this. >> right. he said iran's a whole new country. a whole new world. >> we know this is just pt barnum-like stuff. the president is behaving as if the united states is the only global actor. as if those folks, those countries in europe, they don't have their own individual interests. that they're not concerned about their own individual industries. they're not concerned about their own workers. as he in some ways signals out the united states as the rogue country, the g-6 will have tangible implications for american workers here. will have tangible implications for industry here. i just think he's making a mess of things. even though i am critical in some ways of nafta and tariff agreements because i want a conversation about american workerings. >> you can be critical about all of those things. all of those trade agreements are outdated and complicated and
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they need to be updated. but saying "we've got this, no problem," they're massively complicated. they do have a lot on their table at the g-7. why is it, in your opinion, do you think the president go, how about the g-8, where's russia? >> i can't fathom why. >> try, give it a whirl. >> so what donald trump and vladimir putin have in problem, regardless if there's any kind of relationship between them. they share an ideology to some degree. that ideology has always been to treat with hostile skepticism these large supernational post world war ii institutions. nato. donald trump on their campaign trail has been very -- he's added stress towards these things. the eu. some anti-american plot as opposed to the thing america really tried to put together after a free trade zone after world war ii because we recognized trade creates friendships between nations and we didn't want them to have war. he's adding stress to this. by piecing out, like on day two,
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there's not going to be a shared communique. so all of these things he shared in common with vladimir putin. putin sees these things as a threat to him so he wants to undermine them. to be skeptical and hostile towards all the institutions and then say, well, we should add russia into it. he's trolling. that can only be seen as trolling. russia should have never been in the g-7 to begin with or the g-8 to begin with. they weren't a big enough economy. it was a sock thrown at them at the time. >> let's remember, didn't have a big enough economy. as we continue to call vladimir putin and russia a super power, we're making them a super power. their economy is smaller than italy's. jonathan, you wrote that the president is deliberately isolating the u.s. and, you know, former members of the administration, the gary cohns of the word said it's not america. it is america alone that is
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exactly what trump is touting. maybe that's why cohn doesn't work there anymore. >> their theory is they're ultimately going to bring everybody else to the white house doorstep. to borrow giuliani's language, on their hands and knees begging for the united states to cut deals with them again. what we're seeing is the exact opposite, which is the president has alienated the united states from the -- from basically our allies in the world. he's getting in a trade war with our allies in the world. they're basically saying to him we're happy dealing without you if we have to. we've heard that message time and again. angela merkel, right after the elections in 2016 basically said the european folks would act on their own if they want to. i think what's fascinating about this russia commentary is the g-7 is a group of countries that are like-minded on the economics and on national security issues. what the president is saying is he thinks russia is like-minded with the other countries after
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they tampered with the american election. that's really -- i mean -- >> and tried to, france, and germany -- i mean, it's amazing. >> the idea that russia's like-minded? the only people that russia seems to be like-minded with are president trump and maybe some of his very close allies. >> i don't know that russia is like-minded with trump. i think trump might be like-minded with russia. the president also spoke about pardons. >> i'm not above the law. i never want anybody to be above the law. but the pardons are a very positive thing for the president. i think you see the way i'm using them. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself but i'll never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong. >> help me, help me, help me. eddie. >> i just -- it's just mind blowing. >> it's really good when a tv guest is speechless. >> it's just mind blowing, right? there's a sense, to use chris
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matthews' language, giuliani is principally donald trump's fog machine. he's out here to distract, to delegitimize. i remember my son when he was young, he found that toy that he fixated on. donald trump has fixated on the pardon because it actually reflects, right, the way in which he conceives of himself as the president and how he might exercise power. so all of this is almost like the theater of the absurd. you could imagine samuel beckett staging this in some ways. as he says try, try, try again. fail, fail, fail again better. it seems this is absurd. giuliani is part of the circus and donald trump is doing what donald trump does. >> is giuliani only serving trump and trump likes that? giuliani mystiquing. he had to talk it back about kim jong-un getting on his knees begging and giuliani says, oh, it was a figure of speech. there's mike pompeo, no, that's not how we feel.
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rudy giuliani seems to continue to have the president's support. peter alexander asked the president about stormy daniels. he said, i'm like-minded with rudy. listen, he was only asking him do you think porn is a respectable business. there's a lot of people out there who could say i don't think it's respectable. but it doesn't mean that person doesn't deserve credibility, don't deserve rights, doesn't mean they are not honest. who is it -- why is it trump continues to stand with rudy when nobody else is? >> i think because giuliani is fulfilling a public role here. there's the public case of -- this will end up in congress, in terms of impeachment. so they're working to be kind of a public relations angle of this. after the mueller investigation is done -- >> and that public role is town clown, court jecster? >> they're playing to the republican party. they're trying to delegitimize the mueller investigation. they're trying to throw smoke
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bombs out there to make people think it would be a bad idea that it's kind of an obstruction, it's a vapor charge here. that's part of that process, as is negotiating the terms of however the president will deal with mueller or not. and adds a very public and private negotiation that's happening concurrently. because if it becomes a big public subpoena situation, then it's going to go to the supreme court. it's kind of a public dance. all of that trump, i think, as a bad client, generally speaking -- >> because he doesn't pay his lawyers? >> no, because he can't shut up. >> because he also doesn't do that. >> he thinks he can bluff and new york his way through life here in washington, d.c. and so bad clients tend to be really impressed with sharky, fe fellow new york type of lawyers. you're going to get bad advice in that context because mueller
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is not some kind of -- >> new york also has extraordinary investors and traders. that's something president trump isn't. he has talked about unfair trade as a national security issue. unfair trade with our closest allies. and that argument makes no sense. and on this same day, xi jinping and vladimir putin are meeting. how much can those two gentlemen take advantage of this self-induced america isolationism? >> i believe they can take advantage of it quite a lot. i mean, there's a real opportunity to exploit the divisions between, you know, this union of g-7 countries. we heard justin trudeau i think it was yesterday basically say it was laughable that the president of the united states thinks that canada is a national security threat. that's the reason he slapped these tariffs on canada. this is a real war going on here. among long-standing allies that only benefits the other countries. >> a war with our brothers and
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sisters. >> i mean outside the g-7. >> it's stunning, stunning. jonathan, eddie, matt, thank you. we're going to leave this conversation there. really sad news to report. celebrity chef, ledgendary adventurer, anthony bordain, has died at the age of 61. nbc's lucy cavanauf joins me with more. this news came as an absolute shock. >> you're right, a devastating shock, a loss to the world and of course to anthony's family. he leaves behind an 11-year-old daughter. now, we know he was in strawsburg, in france, films an episode for "parts unknown." his longtime friend, eric, also a famous chef, found him in his hotel room unresponsive, an apparent suicide. cnn confirmed bo eed his death statement, writing it is with extraordinary sadness we can confirm the death of our friend and colleague anthony bordain.
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his love of great adventure, new friend, fine food and drink and the remarkable stories of the world made him a unique storyteller. his talents never ceased to amaze us and we will miss him very much. our thoughts and prayers are with his daughter and family at this incredibly difficult time. for those who knew his work, stephanie, he really was remarkable. a line cook and chef in new york for decades. he shot to fame in 2000 with a best-selling book called "kitchen confidential" a behind the scenes expose on the restaurant scene. he had several successful tv shows on the food net work, the travel channel, cnn. visiting nearly 120 countries over the years. exploring all kinds of cultures, cuisines. but his stories were so much more than just about food. you know, it was about the human experience connecting with the world. he has won nearly every award there is. two emmys. a peabody. he was very open about his drug use in the past. he's kicked drugs. he still drank quite a bit. we just don't know what was
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going on behind closed doors. he did start a new relationship with an italian actress in 2017. the show has been a huge success. as we saw with the loss of kate spade this week, suicide and depression don't appear discriminate, stephanie. >> we'll cover this throughout the day. reminder, we all need to open our hearts, open our minds and love a little bit more every day. up next, a longtime senate staffer arrested. his former girlfriend has her private records seized. it is all part of the administration's fight against leaks. lilly.
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it's very interesting they caught a leaker. it's a very important leaker. so it's very interesting. i'm getting information on it now. happened last night. it could be a terrific thing. i believe strongly in the freedom of the press. i'm a big, big believer in freedom of the press. i'm also a believer that you cannot leak classified information. >> that of course was president trump just a few moments ago. he's talking about the top staffer for the senate intelligence committee who has been indicted by a federal grand jury as part of the investigation into potential leaks of classified information. james wolf, that's his name, accused of lying to the fbi about repeated contacts with reporters. most recently, wolf's job
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included escorting every witness, including michael cohen, seen right here, who testified before the committee in connection with the russia investigation. nbc's mike memely joins me now. and matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department. mike, i got to go to you first. what exactly is wolf accused of doing? >> yes, stephanie. this really is an incredible story. important to say despite what we heard from the president this morn, the charges at this point do not involve the mishandling of classified information. wolf, as you said, the veteran, three decades as the director of security for the senate intelligence committee, is charged with allegedly making false states to the fbi as part of this investigation into the mishandling of classified information. he's alleged to have lied not only about the fact he may have given information to reporters but he was in contact with reporters at all. according to an 11-page indictment that was posted late last night, we know that the
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justice department launched this investigation into unauthorized leaks of classified information at some point in 2017. it was in october that they first approached mr. wolf about him being a target here and then in december, they interviewed mr. wolf. it was a voluntary interview. it was at that point that he's alleged to have made these multiple false statements to special agents of the fbi. >> two things. why did they suspect him? >> it's interesting, because when we had this unusual vote in the senate on wednesday night, which was the trigger to this action last night, a lot of the people suspected mr. wolf immediately. first of all, his circumstances of his departure from the senate intelligence committee in december were somewhat suspicious. also, it's hard to understate what a breach this is. wolf is charged with protecting classified information that's in the protection of the senate intelligence committee. also to note this is a committee that had avoided a lot of these both political and procedural
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headaches. the fact this is an individual who was charged with protecting the secrets, the classified and sensitive information of the committee, is the one who may have been responsible for leaking it is really casting a shadow on the committee. >> want you to listen to what congressman schiff had to say about this ordeal. >> leaks are a problem. attacks are a problem with this administration. i have to hope with the extraordinary use of their national security letter or subpoena or whatever device the justice department used to seize the reporter's records, that they followed all the proper procedures, that this was a remedy of last resort. >> all right what do you make of this, considering the administration's relationship with the press? when the president said i support the free press? >> yes. as you look at this case, it's obvious that it's going to be a very strong case they have against mr. wolf, that they did
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lie to federal investigators. i think the more serious question is not about the underlying charges against wolf but the tactics that the department of justice useded to build this case. we've seen doj do this in the past. it happened twice in the obama administration where the justice department seized reporter's e-mails and phone records without notifying the reporter or the media outlet in advance. it was an enormous controversy. and the department sectionally ed essentially admitted it made a mistake and put in new guidelines. only if notifying the reporter and giving him or her a chance to go to court would somehow threaten the investigation, if it would harm national security or put people's lives at risk. it's hard to see i think in this case how that, you know, how this extraordinary measure could have been taken and still be in compliance with those rules. i think the question we have to ask going forward, is the department just looking to exploit a loophole in these media regulationingtioregulatio?
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we know they were looking at reviewing them. if so, there's no reason to think they would have done so in this case. they looked at a number of reporters, not just in this leak investigation but many more they're conducting. we know sessions said they're conducting three times as many as have been handled in the past. >> how do you think that could impact journalists for doing their job? >> it makes it very difficult obviously. this is an area where there's been longtime tension between the justice department and the press. the justice department does have an obligation to investigate leaks of classified information just as the press has the right and the obligation -- right under the first aid to expose wrongdoing in the government. you know, i think what the department did in 2013 is try to strike a balance. so in investigating these cases, doj would not subpoena a reporter's information in us. it was the last resort.
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the regulations explicitly say only under extraordinary circumstances. if this has become default operating procedure, where they're doing it not just one case, but in many, it's going to put a chill on people talking to reporters and it's going to make it much more difficult for reporters to do their jobs. >> it certainly sounds that way. all right, matt, michael, thanks so much. important conversation. a practice we need to stay on. and in just four days, president trump is set to become the first american president to meet with a sitting north korean leader. this morning, the president says he has been preparing for the historic summit with kim jong-un all his life. after meeting with japanese prime minister shinzo abe at the white house on thursday, the president also signalled he might invite kim jong-un to the states if next week's summit goes well. >> sir, if you do invite him to the white house or to the united states, would it be here at the
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white house or it mar-a-lago? >> maybe we'll start with the white house, what do you think? >> also new this morning, nbc news exclusively reports u.s. officials expect chinese spies to be all over singapore during the summit next week, using highly sophisticated techniques to gather inside information on the talks. this is some scary stuff. nbc's ken dilanian is one of the reporters who broke that story. ken, what techniques do officials expect the chinese to use in singapore? i mean, this is some scary movie stuff. >> good morning, stephanie. look, china has become our most aggressive espionage adversary. they're really using technology to up their spying game. of course, this singapore summit is sort of ground zero in the next spy versus spy war. so u.s. officials tell us that what the chinese have already done are recruiting agents in hotels and bars around the city. to listen in on conversations. to extract any inside information they can.
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also eavesdropping technology. the way the u.s. can try to counter that is essentially to train their people to use good op-sec, operational security. so u.s. officials have been told if you are not generally a proech approached by attractive members of the opposite section and x a suddenly happens, be suspicious. >> oh, my gosh. >> one example where a u.s. official in china was having trouble with his hotel key card. he gave it to his agency and they found a tiny listening device embedded in the card. that's really ingenious because you would bring that card into every meeting. that was the way the chinese were listening in on his conversations. >> besides telling u.s. officials who are there listen, if a really good looking woman comes up to talk to you and that's never happened to you before, don't fall prey to this? besides that, what can we do?
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>> there are electric counter measures and there are people whose entire job it is is to watch for spying against americans. also simple things, don't accept a gift. we learned the chinese gave the u.s. delegation at some point these friendship pins to wear on their lapels and they had listening devices in them. a lot of it is common sense but there's also sophisticated counter measures they will take in singapore to protect their conversations. >> when you worked on this report, have we gotten any pushback? >> no, they almost never talk about these kinds of things. in fairness, look, the u.s. is very adept at spying on china. everything the chinese are doing to us, we're probably doing to them and more, stephanie. >> all right, ken, this is a stunning, stunning piece. it scared me. i enjoyed it. i hated it. all at the same time. moving forward, donald trump within the last hour was speaking about rudy giuliani to our own peter alexander. when peter said, are you worried
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about the things rudy giuliani is saying, mr. trump replied, quote, rudy's great, rudy's rudy. he's doing a very good job actually. peter asked, rudy said being a porn star is not respectable work. the president replied, i'm not going to disagree with him. joining me on the phone is stormy daniels' lawyer michael avenat avenatti. what president trump said in agreeing with rudy giuliani, it's not respectable work, that's actually not nearly as far as giuliani went yesterday. because a lot of people could say it's not respectable, it's not ideal, but it's not criminal. and she deserves to be considered credible and she's an honest person. >> well, stephanie, good morning. i mean, if you look at mr. trump's comments, you know, that's not what he said. he basically supported what rudy giuliani had stated in total, which is entirely inappropriate. it's disgusting. if rudy giuliani worked for any
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fortune 500 company as an attorney, he would have been fired yesterday. no questions. he would have been walked out the door. instead, we have a president that not only doesn't fire him, but now come also out this morning and issues a statement, gives a statement of support. this is outrageous. every woman -- every woman in america, right, center, left, it doesn't matter, should stand up and be angry about this. >> you don't just have to be a woman. you have to be a huge. this is about common decency. so yesterday when you and i spoke, you were still sort of reeling and reacting to what rudy said. and many of us thought, well, this is just rudy completely going off on his own. that's not the case if the president is backing him. for you, where do you go from here? >> well, i think we're going to try to continue to deliver the message that we're not going to tolerate people making these outrageous comments about my client. i agree with you. it's not just about women. every man should also be upset
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by this and, in fact, until men start sticking up for women and also sticking up for principles, of the fact that people cannot make these derogatory comments about women and claim they don't have any respect or are not entitled to any respect because of their profession, nothing's going to change. i mean, have we learned nothing over last few years relating to these concepts? the president and mr. giuliani appear to be stuck in some other time period. they need to get with the modern times. the president needs to fire rudy giuliani today. and people should be outrablged by this. i mean, this is disgusting. these guys keep doubling down on the comments. >> their sensibility is absolutely disgusting. when i hear rudy giuliani -- when i hear president trump going after a woman's looks, it's twofold. it's not just wildly inappropriate for anyone to do that. how about a little self-reflection for these two men. i'd love to live with their mirror mirrored on the wall
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houses because i don't know if these two gentlemen know what they look like. there's a picture of president trump and stormy daniels. for rudy giuliani and the president to continue to make it like they don't even know her and she doesn't deserve an ounce of respect or acknowledgement, what is your move off of that? he paid her 130 gs. >> that's a great point. here's a question. if my client's not credible and is a liar, why did they pay her $130,000? it makes absolutely no sense. they paid her $130,000 because they knew she was telling the truth. michael cohen with mr. trump tried to put her on the sean hannity show in january of this year because they know she's credible. anyone who saw the "60 minutes" interview knows she's credible. there's no question about this. but they constantly resort -- whenever a woman comes forward who is credible, they constantly
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resort to attacking that woman based on her looks. >> it's amazing to me how it all seems to go that way. these gentlemen talking about -- >> no, they're not gentlemen, let's be clear. >> that is an excellent point. president trump, rudy giuliani going after this woman and her looks. wow. we're going to be right back. before we go, anything to say about melania trump? she sort of is distancing herself from what giuliani said. >> you're right. not only did she distance herself, she contradicted giuliani. giuliani came out and stated something else, namely that melania jump believed the president and melania trump made the extraordinary -- i thought it was an extraordinary step, of actually issuing a statement, undercutting that, and stating that she's never communicating with rudy giuliani so how could he say that. i think that shows there's a lot of trouble brewing between the
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first lady and the president. and i think it also shows that she doesn't necessarily believe his denials, nor should she. >> she voluntarily put that statement out. she didn't have to. it's amazing. think about it. all right, michael, thank you so much. busy day ahead. in the movies, a lot of times, i tend to play the tough guy. but i wasn't tough enough to quit on my own. not until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. it reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could stop. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you've had depression or other mental health problems.
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welcome to holiday inn! thank you! ♪ ♪ wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. save up to 15% when you book early at hollidayinn.com save up to 15% when you book early i had a very minor fender bender tonight! in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don't worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy's part. like fact that they'll just... forgive you... four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. the world reacting to the news of the death of celebrity chef anthony bordain. the renowned at vent uradventur,
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just 61 years old. the network said suicide was the cause of death. joining me now, nbc news dr. john torres and my friend willie geist. willie, i just saw the absolutely awesome beautiful profile you did of anthony bourdain on your show. >> he was exactly who he appears to be on tv. the best thing i can say about somebody on tv. he was irascible. he was funny. he had no tolerance for b.s. he attacked things like pumpkin spice latte and the terms farm to table. he was working in the back of a kitchen until he was 44 years old. >> get out of town. >> yes, he was dunking fries as he says in our interview. and he wrote a magazine piece exposing what happens in the back of a kitchen, which turned into a book, which turned into a tv show, which turned into -- >> wait, until he was 44?
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>> he died at 61 so that was only 17 years ago. what he did, what i loved about him, is he went around the world to places cooking shows don't go. it wasn't as some kind of anthropologist who is saying this is different and weird or this is different and gross, it was this is different and how great is this place. he always said he was happier sitting on a street corner in hanoi eating something out of a bowl that he didn't quite know what it was than eating in a fancy restaurant in new york, that was him. >> he talked a lot about his daughter, just a young girl. >> yes, he's got an 11-year-old daughter. he interviewed him for a cookbook written basically with her. he cooked a bunch of meals with her. said she was the toughest critic. i think the doctor can speak to this better than i can. when you think about depression or whatever overcame anthony bourdain in that hotel room, how strong and hour powerful that is, that in that moment least superseded the love he had for his daughter and the feelings
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and most beautiful and special thing that he had in his life. it was that powerful. that he decided he needed to do what he did. >> dr. torres, we've got to talk about this as a public health issue. suicide is up 30% since 1999. on our show, we're constantly talking about the hate, the anger that exists in society. we can say all day long we need to open our hearts and minds and spread more love. it's not getting through. why. >> it's not getting through we think for a variety of reasons but it's not what we always thought it was. the cdc just came out with a report yesterday saying it has actually gone up 30% since 1999. across the nation, 25%. we used to think mental health conditions were the biggest driver behind this. this report showed that only half of the people that died by suicide had mental health conditions diagnosed at the time. the other ones, the big three, relationship issue, substance abuse issues and financial issues were the biggest thing driving it there. like you said, at that point in time, when somebody does this,
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unfortunately, that, to them, is the only thing they can do at that time. so getting them past that is extremely important. >> take us before you get to that point. right now we're trying to share as much information as we can with people about the national suicide prevention hot line. but willie and i both have little kids. and when i think about all the school shootings that happen. i think about the victims. i also think about the shooters. those shooters are consistently young white men who are suffering for years and years and it's depression that's starting in kids. how do we identify this? and help it? we know both of us would say we love our kids more than you could imagine. and the thought that these sad isolated feelings are starting at such a young age. you have to think about this at home. >> oh, no question. >> like you said, it's the isolating feeling that they have. there's a stigma behind it. it divides in the two. there's self-stigma, meaning i'm embarrassed, i don't want to talk to anybody about it. then the national stigma of people just don't talk about
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this kind of issue. it's one of those ones that tends to stay hidden. for somebody -- if you have somebody in your life you think has a problem, the first thing you do is be there for them. talk to them about it. don't be judgmental. that's the worst thing you can do. that just puts them in the corner. be there for them at the time. talk to them. it's okay. ask them, are you feeling okay today? is there anything you are going to do to hurt yourself? can i help you with that? there's certain things you can do. number one, there's the national suicide prevention lifeline you can call. and that's a definite lifeline for people who are thinking about it. or if you have somebody you think might be thinking about it. there's the number 1-800-273-talk. it's that moment in time. getting them past that moment is important. >> such a good reminder too, stef, no matter who you are it can touch you. you don't know what's going on in somebody's life. so maybe it's too much to ask that we be nicer to each other. that you look at somebody with
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some empathy and humanity whether it's anthony bordain or kate spade. people who appear to be on top of the world. sometimes that's a front that's out there. and there are deep things inside them they need to be talked to about. >> that's what the study showed. didn't matter how rich you were, how poor you were, none of that mattered. it was across all ages. 10 to 75. >> are you surprised? we're surprised. i mean, when i see someone like ivichi. literally on top of the world. crowds everywhere. when you hear about these megastar, does it surprise you? >> to a certain extent it doesn't. working in the emergency room, you see these people that come in and have -- made attempts and they come in, again, across all spectrums. you siee people, the young, the old, the very poor, the very rich, you see it all. this fits into the profile. not a big surprise. needs help. >> i hope you replay the profile with them. >> it will be available online as well. thank you both so much. once again, it is important to note, there is help out there.
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time now for money, power, politics. idaho, the largest producer of potatoes in the united states. 15% of american potato exports go to mexico which place a 20% tariff on u.s. potatoes this week. the last time this happened in the early 2000s, a similar 20% tariff was placed on u.s. potatoes. the number of potatoes exported from the u.s. to mexico was slashed in half. u.s. farmers had to look for other places to export them, including canada. the issue at hand, other markets building up their potato infrastructure. farmers are concerned that countries like canada or the eu could pose a long-term threat if they become more reliable on other markets. vaughn hilliard joins me now from a processing plant in idaho. what are these farmers telling you right now? >> reporter: stephanie, you laid out the facts why idaho poe tatetors are important to the
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economy, especially this part of southern idaho. but we'll say that this is the president's time. you talk to these farmers yesterday, and when you're talking to these farmers, what we continually heard was this is the president's moment. we heard him for that year and a half on the campaign trail promising to expand their markets. he even told island farmers he was going to protect their markets. this is the moment they've been waiting for. as the president heads up to canada, this what two of the farmers told us yesterday. >> that does make us a little anxious. every time we lose a market that's something that we have to worry about because we have to use the potato somewhere. >> so you support president trump's efforts to renegotiate nafta? >> i do support the president's efforts to get us free and equal access into these markets. >> tariff can be a trade tool, but in my opinion there are trade tool of the last resort. >> reporter: so you're supportive? >> i think we've reached the
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point where something has to be down get thai attention. >> reporter: stephanie, what you heard that is hope. they feel particularly mexico that they've gotten the roll then end of the deal, that mexico has not allowed them to really ultimately open up their markets and serve them with the potato, the product that they have. and mexico, they did put that 20% tariff on frozen potatoes. that first gentleman you heard from, he has 250 to 350 employees a year over at the processing plant down the road. he has 4 million potatoes that they send out every single day. what you'll see here is right now behind us these fields are just coming out of the grounds. ultimately you'll get the potato, about ten potatoes come out of every single one of these plants. while the president is in canada, he told us he needs a place to send these this fall. >> but it's important to point out the risk the president is putting these farmers in, these farmers are backing him. and their frustration isn't with the president and his moves this
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week, it's been what their plight's been for years. >> reporter: well, i asked, though, this at the siem time. why this president? high do kwlou have confidence that this president will be the one to negotiate that deal that you've been waiting for for now decades? >> a >>? and they said the same reason they voted for him a year and a half ago. he's a businessman and they told him he was going to make better deals and that was their moment. there was one gentleman i talked to yesterday down in american falls, idaho, 17,000 acres. he sends a good share of his products overseas. you'll see it in the likes of mcdonald's, his potatoes over with five guys. and he said it ultimately comes down to that the president is their man and he said he's got about six months. becau because these potatoes are going to kunling out of the ground and that's when you see the profits hilt and this idaho economy. idaho went strongly for president trump and that's when
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that true impact will be opened up and they're going to have to start to look at other markets, try to see if they did expand in asia, over in latin america, canada, because if mexico is not there, and if additional tariffs from other countries are even placed on their potato products, that's when their heads are begin to turn a little bit more. >> well, they voted for him, they're giving him a chance, they're applauding that he's taking this situation head on. the issue is, it could end up course for them. in the short-term we could see cheaper prices on things like potatoes here because although potatoes could end up being stuck here. >> reporter: exactly. and i think that that's the issue. when you have that price go down, ultimately it's going to impact the employees. like herrera who we spoke with yesterday, he started working for nicholson when he was 15 years old. 40 years later he's still working that processing plaptd. when you have an economy like this that's very tender, all those prices have a direct
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impact on employees. >> all right. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. all right. you know how i like to end the show. no matter what there's always good news somewhere and we think good news ruhles. today is an important one for me. it's world oceans day, a global event to call attention and do something about the health of our planet's oceans. according to the ocean project, oceans generate most of the oxygen we breathe. they occupy 70% of this globe. they regulate our climate and help us feed the u.s. population. here's a problem, though. pollution. it has become a serious problem. some estimates show 50% of plastic is used once, you know, single-use plastic, i'm talking straws, looking at you guys, and just thrown away and much of it ends up in our oceans. if we do not start correcting these problems soon, the world economic forum says there could be more plastics in the ocean than fish by 2050. here's the good news. permanent doing something about
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it. go to world ocean's day.org to find out what you did do and help participate in an event near you. at the very use, no more single-use plast ticks, not at the grocery store, no more straws. they're doing it in long beach island. there you go. i'm stephanie ruhle, i'll see you again at 11:00 a.m. with my partner and all day long on twitter. right now, more news with hallie jackson. >> to be honest you would koh have left it with vaughan. that could have been our good news. he's holding a root somewhere in a field, that made me happy. thank you, appreciate it '. i'm hallie jackson in washington. president trump is getting it all off his chest before he lands in quebec. frenemy territory as the president answers questions on everything from whether he's above the law to his pardon power to those fights with allies. as you take a live look at canada. what would get them to hug and makeup? better trade deals he argues. >> when it all straightens out,

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