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and remember to follow us at michellereports. chris jansing takes over now in new york. >> i happened to notice you spent a lot of time at the top of your show talking about sports, andrea mitchell. >> just a little bit. >> congratulations to all my friends from washington, d.c. >> you bet. thank you. >> and in for craig melvin, i'm chris jansing. president trump canceled a meeting with one of the world's closest allies, france, at the last minute france said they'll be okay to leave him out of the conversations with g7. supposed to be the easy meeting with high stakes meeting with kim jong-un next on the docket. plus, pressure on pruitt. not one, not two, but 15 ethics investigations into scott pruitt's alleged misconduct. and a group of senators is asking for yet another -- talk
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to them about whether it will make any difference at all. and a red line for rudy. the president's lawyer touches on a very sensitive topic. the stormy daniels case, but also makes the mistake of speaking for the first lady. did he cross the line? melania's spokesperson fires back. let's begin with president trump in canada for the g7 summit, arriving late, planning to leave early, and now canceling that meeting with president emmanuel macron. we're waiting to hear if he'll reschedule. america's closest allies are publicly furious about the trade war calling his actions illegal. and just this morning the president answering them with a series of provocative tweets on his twitter megaphone. president trump injecting tension and uncertainty in his relationship with a couple of america's closest allies. leaders he seemed to be very friendly with in the past. remember macron's april visit to the white house? all hugs and hand-holding?
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a lot that changed leaven macron to suggest the american president doesn't mind being isolated. one more thing. the president is cutting his visit short. the white house suggesting he wants to spend more time preparing for that critical high-profile meeting with north korea's kim jong-un. the same meeting he said again today he really doesn't need to prepare for. and then this morning, the president sparking yet more controversy kelling reporters he thinks russia should be reinstated to the g7. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker is in quebec city. hard to know where to begin, but start with the delay. >> reporter: you pointed out president trump arrived late here in canada an hour late. the bilat planned for today now we expect to be pushed back. all signs are it will still happen, but that won't be until this afternoon, early evening. i asked a white house official
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why the president was so late. this official tried to downplay it saying, look, he's the president. things happen. he has a lot on his plate. bottom line here, chris, the optics he is signaling to america's closest allies, that he's not interested in being at this summit. we know, as you pointed out, he's also leaving before it ends tomorrow to head to singapore to focus on his historic summit with kim jong-un. there are going to be a lot of tensions here. president trump recently imposed harsh tariffs on a number of these countries. so there's been a sharp backlash to that. and the leaders here have been very frank. they are planning to raise that issue with the president. they're hoping to come to some type of common ground, but, chris, in the hours leading up to the summit, there's only been a war of words. this was what emmanuel macron tweeted earlier today. the american president may not mind being isolated, but neither do we mind signing a six-country agreement if need be.
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president trump firing back looking forward to strengthening our unfair trade deals with the g7. if it doesn't happen, we can do even better. so a number of shots across the bow, and as you reported, chris, president trump, macron, had a bromance going. now all signs of that, nowhere in sight. as the president is feuding with some of america's closest allies all the way saying he thinks russia should rejoin the g7, raising a lot of eyebrows and sparking a fierce backlash. >> quite a show from the president this morning. somebody who hasn't held a onin on a solo press conference for more than a year but is often, you know, wanders over to the microphones, starts answering questions. he made news on about ten different fronts. give us the highlights including what i've seen, which is some sort of disconnect on exactly how much he's preparing for going to meet with kim jong-un. if. >> reporter: well, that's right.
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you heard his own secretary of state say he has been preparing very vigorously for this summit with kim jong-un. sarah sanders, the press secretary saying he's had daily briefings led by the secretary of state mike pompeo and then earlier today, chris, the president really downplaying his briefing time saying, look, i've been prepared for this all of my life. what was the strategy or tactic there? look, he referenced his debates with hillary clinton. sort of a nod to his base that he is going in to this as someone who's a deal master. someone who wrote the art of the deal, and that the preparation is what he's been doing this entire life. trying to potentially disarm kim jong-un heading into those crucial summits. talked the fact, there were a number of headlines. the other big being he did say russia should be let back in to the g7 to make it the g8 again. remind viewers why they're membership was suspended in the first place.
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because he annexed crimea. why the membership was suspended. listen to what president trump had to say earlier today on the south lawn. >> russia should be in this meeting. why are we having a meeting without russia being in the meeting? and i would recommend, and it's up to them, but russia should be in the meeting should be a part of it. you know, whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run, and the g7, used to be the g8, they threw russia out, they should let russia come back in. >> reporter: the backlash almost immediate and very bitter, chris. canada saying we do not support russian re-entry to the g7. ben sasse, a senator, saying this is weak. russia is not our friend and even stronger words from senator john mccain who wrote this. vladimir putin chose to make russia unworthy of membership in
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the g8 by invading ukraine. nothing changed that most obvious fact. a lot of pushback. italy the only country saying they would be open to the possibility. now, we do want to point out, the president has greeted some of the leaders here from the prime minister of canada to the president of france. the optics have been perfectly pleasant. we'll see if that holds throughout the day, ci, because, again, we are expecting one-on-one meetings and that's where the fireworks could really fly. >> kristen welker at the g7. appreciate that. thank you so much. and ben white, and andy card, chief of staff for george w. bush and msnbc political analyst. hard to know where to begin. this meeting between emmanuel macron and trump delayed. we don't know if it will actually be rescheduled. are you surprised at all by his provocative behavior not only
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with his former bff but our allies in general? >> i'm not surprises with donald trump acting like donald trump, but it's not the way you should act when you're approaching a stage with lots of world leaders. you're not the only world leader that will be standing on the stage. so i do kind of wish that donald trump would taste his words before he spits them out and invite a dialogue rather than have the dialogue be one way. but -- you know, the world leaders come together for a reason, and their personalities are different. i've witnessed some cold meetings, warm meetings, awkward meetings. >> any more awkward, though? piling on another on another on another, insults. essentially you have a president who has nicer things to say about the head of north korea than he does about canada. >> well, i want the president to be focused on north korea and what he has to do.
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that's a terrible important meeting he's getting ready to go for in singapore and we should do everything to help him get ready and the people around the president get ready. all of us in this country, when the president of the united states leaves america to go to another country he's speaking for all of us. so i want us to respect that and help the president out. i don't think we should be tossing him grenades while he is outside the country trying to do what he thinks is the right thing for the world and for the country. having said that, i do think diplomacy is critically important, and the president is not acting with good diplomacy right now, and i think that he's got to understand the responsibility to listen and invite commentary from his allies, or those he's around the table with, but he's got a lot on his plate, and i don't want him distracted by what's going on in washington, d.c. or in the political context as he's dealing with these world leaders and he's going to have a remarkably important meeting
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with kim jong-un. obviously it's historic, this meeting, but also a really whether or not meeting and nobody nows hoe it's going to go. >> yes. i would not argue with you or anybody on the panel would, for a second, about the importance of these conversations. having said that, steve, you can make the argument the president creates his own distractions. going into a meeting with allies and drop a bomb like russia should be allowed back into the g7, as if the whole crimea thing never happened at all. let me get your take on that. >> well, you know, i think that -- that andy card gets the prize for the day for understatement of the, you know, for the best line understatement he's not delivering good diplomacy. of course offered incredible distraction trying to push russia back into a g7, g8 confab, not making russia pay for anything for all the nefarious things its done in the u.s. starting with the invasion of
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crimea. i think the big thing to look at here is we're seeing simultaneously donald trump hug russia, push russia's agenda. wush chin push china's agenda in saving jobs at zte while stabbing allies in the back with sanctions. this is super serious. quebec may be the most important g7 meeting of this era, it may punctuate the end of goodwill and trust between the united states and a lot of its allies. shocked -- not surprised, but shocked by the boldness of macron's boldness. we can move on without you. reflecting other things angela merkel said. people need to wake up and understand that donald trump and this nasty nationalism he is representing is undermining american influence all around the world and there will be costs for that. >> yes. you think about the possibility of them issues a statement that the united states is not a part of them. talk about the real world
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impact. this parting of the way between the u.s. and its allies. let's just talk about that one narrow thing we thought would be the main focus. now russia is thrown in. which is tariffs, trade. >> a complete reordering of the western world in the sense that we have longtime allies and friends and canada and add mexico into this and we are slapping tariffs on them, going after them in ways that alienate them and as steve just talked about, cozying up to russia, china and north korea. complete turning upside-down of the world order which has significant global economic ramifications. trump talks about wanting to get tough on china. crack down on unfair trade practices. fair thing to do. how? do it with allies, with european allies, with mexico and canada. we need the whole group to do that. instead, we are antagonizing all of them for no good reason. disputes with canada over dairy and other things? of course we do. minor, could have been dealt with in tpp.
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they are terrible, terrible, terrible reasons for completely undermining the u.s. position in the world and with our global allies. it makes no sense. it is dangerous and it is damaging to the u.s. economy. >> and let's also remind people, he's planning to leave early, because, he says, well, his staff says, that he wants to have more time to go to singapore to prepare for this meeting with kim jong-un, in spite of the fact he has said repeatedly that he's done enough preparation, and he answered another question this morning about that before he departed for quebec. take a listen. >> were you serious about really not needing to prepare for the korean summit? >> i didn't say that. i said i've been preparing all my life. i always believe in preparation, but i've been preparing all my life. you know, these one-week preparations, they don't work. just ask hillary. what happened to her in the debate. >> you can make the argument that north korea has been preparing for this for 45 years.
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that's what kim jong-un wants. jit he wan to be seen on the same level as the president of the united states. what are the potential traps that could be of concern for people who are watching this that could be set for president trump? >> i think the big thing that can happen in this summit in north korea and i agree with andy card it's very important and for such an important meeting we should have put time in it, preparation in it, worked more closely with our allies in it. the trap is that north korea gets in a love embrace with donald trump, extends this thing out. you know, i think they're basically playing for time to see what happens in the november elections. if donald trump gets a hit electorally in the congress at that point he's hampered as an extortion it nation that lives off trading good behavior for bad behavior and trying to charge the world for it to behave. and there should be a lot of suspicion in what north korea may do, what it will promise, and whether or not those promises will be real.
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i think it's remarkable that we have blown up the iran deal or that donald trump has blown up the iran deal while trying to pursue a deal of similar sophistication and depth potentially with north korea. and i think that -- that u.s. security, not only between north korea and the danger of collapse expectations which could lead to violence in the reagion but als the damage done to allies in asia. we saw that meeting with abe. pretending it went well. deep down japanese are so angry at donald trump and so frustr e frustrated for potentially being left out of the deal and for what's happening with them with sanctions. >> trudeau from canada not happy with the fact they are perhaps a security threat. thank you all. much appreciated. coming up, the senate staffer arrested in a leak investigation. he's heading to court today after the fbi seizes a "new york times" reporter's e-mail and
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again sounded off against leakers. this time citing a speck case of a senate staffer. the problem that staffer is not charged with leaking. in less than an hour james wolfe is expected in a baltimore courtroom accused of lying to the fbi to agents investigating unauthorized leaks.
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here's what the president said. >> very interesting that they caught a leaker and a very important -- a very important leaker. so it's very interesting. i'm getting information on it now. happened last night. it could be a terrific thing. i'm a very big believer in freedom of the press, but i'm also a believer that you cannot leak classified information. >> msnbc's garrett haake is live outside the baltimore courthouse where wolfe's case will be heard and danny savalas joins me here in new york. what do we know about wolfe's case? walk us through. >> reporter: sure, chris. jim wolfe is a familiar face to most viewers even if they didn't know his name before today and never heard his voice. the man who is director of security operations for the senate intelligence committee, was seen escorting witnesses in and out of the secure areas of the senate buildings where these interviews would take place. all throughout last year.
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in that role he also handled a lot of sensitive and classified information. now, you heard the president talk about the leaking of classified information. that's not actually what wolfe is charged with. wolfe is in this indictment unsealed last night charged with lying to the fbi about his contact with several different reporters, and while some stories dealt with subjects close to the russia investigation and things that may or may not have been classified, that was not in the indictment itself last night, although we could learn more today. we've followed the story a little while, heard rumbling it might be coming. nbc reach the wolfe wednesday night and told us he had not been contacted by the fbi at all. that wasn't true. thursday night, reached him. he said no comment. he's not shown up at the courthouse we're able to tell yet today. unclear what, if anything, he will have to say for himself in the courtroom though i suspect these hearings as most are will be very brief. >> the charge here again, not
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leaking. it's lying to the fbi. how much trouble could he be in? >> trouble in the amount of up to five years imprisonment and possibly eight years whenever it involves domestic or international terrorism. most likely looking at a five-year statutory maximum. the same crime we've seen with former general flynn. martha stewart. these are not people who are prosecuted for their underlying crimes but ultimate, when the fbi came, knocked on their door, they tried to outsmart the fbi or massage the truth allegedly and that is a separate crime that the fbi uses and justice uses as a tool either to secure cooperating witnesses or to simply get somebody, if they don't know if they can prove the underlying charges. >> bear with me. a little complicated what the "new york times" is reporting. that as part of this investigation the justice department seized the reporter's phone and fbi agents approached that reporter ally watkins about
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a three-year romantic relationship with wolfe. he acertifieded he helped her with articles while dating. watkins told the "times" about the relationship, he was never a source during the relationship. she referred to a statement, in part we believe that communications between jurnists and their sources demand protection. this decision by the justice department will endanger reporters' ability to promise confidentiality to sources and ultimately undermine the ability of a free press to shine much-needed light on government actions. it's not unprecedented, but, danny, how unorthodox is a seizure like this from the justice department? >> the justice department has specific guidelines that essentially rear they heal ha l information to go after a reporter's personal information that might reveal a source. >> they have to have tried other methods to get to the same place? >> exactly. they have to have a pretty good reason. these are only doj regulations.
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at the core of the first amendment, there is very little difference legally between a reporter and just a regular member of the public. so a lot of these policies are just that. policies. they may not have any extra constitutional protection. >> danny savalas, thanks. garrett haake, keep us posted from outside the courthouse. coming up, the sad news sending shock waves through the tv and food industries today. award-winning tv shoeft anthony bourdain, died by apparent suicide at the age of 61. of course, that follows kate spade's tragic death earlier in the week and a new report that suicide overall is up. we'll be right back. find the remote yet? nah. honey look, your old portable cd player. my high school rethainer. oh don't...
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nbc news has confirmed through french police anthony bourdain was found dead inside his hotel room in france. second time in days we're trying to process the stunning and heartbreaking news of a suicide. celebrity chef, author, award-winning tv personality bourdain like kate spade seemed to have it all. success, admiration, money, fame. the 61-year-old is remembered for his love of adventure, food and extraordinary gift of storytelling.
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here's a small part of the conversation my league willie geist had with bourdain back in august on "sunday today with willie geist." >> you know, who people are when they're sitting at home with their family eating instead of just statistics. >> reporter: there's no place anthony won't go. >> maggots load the chickens? >> reporter: no matter how dangerous. >> not going full geraldo in my flak jacket poking myself head up over a foxhole but i'm curious about the world and if there are manageable risks in return for satisfying my curiosity about a place, i'm willing. >> he made so many millions curious about the world. his girlfriend asia ar jend oh release add statement saying he had a brilliant and fearless spirit and called her her love, rock and protector. joining me now, nbc news medical contradicter dr. natalie a asar. two iconic people gone who had
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an impact on so many people and almost simultaneously cdc report saying suicide rates in the u.s. are up 30% since 1999. talk to us about the main contributors to suicide. could it have a heavier impact if you're in the spotlight? >> i know. depression still is definitely considered the number one cause, but the irony or important thing about this statistic is that roughly half of the people who committed suicide didn't actually have a diagnosable mental health condition. other things that can contribute to would be relationship stress, financial burden or stressors. certainly substance abuse is a really, really bad mix we depression and another health crisis, or another major crisis happening within two weeks of somebody taking their own lives. that's just a couple of different examples. >> i mean, there's, for a long time, been stigma related to any kind of mental health issue. we even heard prince william talking about it, he and his
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brother harry going forward and doing that over in the uk. there is this new nba ad that stuck out to me. i want to play a little bit of it. >> it would be a shame wanting to be a better you. >> you know, some things, the report that stuck out to me and anthony bourdain fits into these categories, men. white men, are more likely. and there are men 45 to 65. again, fits into that category. you mentioned drug, alcohol abuse. we don't know anything. i don't want to imply anything but he publicly talked about his own struggles with alcohol and drugs. >> uh-huh. >> 56% of all american adults have a mental illness and do not receive treatment. >> i know. >> that's the thing. >> we talk about the suicide and depression doesn't discriminate. saw an increase, although the
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largest rise was seen in white middle aged adults. men and women. it really, the rise was seen over the last 30 years across everyational and ethnic group, over every socioeconomic status. >> people you look at from the outside as we do and say, what could they possibly have. >> oh goodness. >> and both -- i should say our heart breaks and thoughts and prayers go out to their families. they both had young girls. >> yes, yes. so look, knowing all this, they look great, look happy. what are signs you it look for? people who start feeling more hopeless. people who start thinking about wanting to die might actually talk about a plan. they may express feelings of, you know, that they're feeling more like a burden to others. they may start using alcohol and drugs more. perhaps some mood swings or more erratic behavior. just, again, not necessarily specific to this, but if you are around someone, a loved one or a
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friend, and you start to notice those things, think about it, and you can do a couple of things. you don't have to feel helpless about it. you can ask them. asking them is not going to magnify their likelihood to commit suicide. it's okay to ask, are you thinking of hurting yourself? >> it's not going to make them start thinking about it. >> people would think, i don't want to put has in their heads. not so. listen without judgment. stay with them and of course make that phone call to the national suicide prevention lifeline. >> we'll give that number out in a second. again, do we have it? let's put that number up as long as we have it there. ah. there it is at the bottom. 1-800-273-8255. very important. bourdain was very open, as i said, with his struggles with drug addiction. who survives and who doesn't seems often to have been determined long before the subject to enter treatment, when the junkie in question looks in the mirror one day and decides
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that he really, truly wants to live. and we often hear when we hear about suicide about, you know, was it a moment, that breaking point? if they got past that moment, could it have been avoided? what do we know about that and what about this suggestion that there's this sort of copycat syndrome? >> two things there. one, according to experts it's usually not one defining moment. that one thing happens from one day to the next that will cause someone who maybe has susceptibility to suicide to admit that act. usually more a few things creeping up over time. the copycat thing is a very real thing. before social media, a lot of research was conducted that traditional media actually played a role in, because of the way suicide is reported in the news, had, could increase the risk for copycat and that has been magnified a lot by social media and in particular with twitter, because people express themselves very differently on twitter. it's more personal. it's more emotional, and that
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that somehow could sensationalize suicide. >> doctor natalie azar, important, important words. once again, please, if you or someone you know is considering suicide, know that help is available. this is the number for the national suicide prevention lifeline. that their 24 hour as day. 1-800-273-talk. and coming up, when will enough be enough? 15 ethics investigations and counting and epa chief scott pruitt's alleged misconduct from moisturizers to mattresses. a bizarre laundry list of allegations growing. one of the democrats leading the investigation joins me next. still to come, rudy giuliani talking on behalf of the first lady in the stormy daniels case. we're hearing it didn't go over well. ed whistle text alert. i'm your phone, stuck down here between your seat and your console, playing a little hide-n-seek. cold... warmer...
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the ritz-carlton. and three senate democrats are calling for an internal investigation of claims that pruitt tried to get work for his wife on multiple occasions. one of those democrats is with us and on the committee of environment and public works. good to see you. you're not alone in this criticism nor is your party. here is pictures of colleagues in the house today using visual aids to show the used mattress he reportedly wanted from a trump hotel. lotion requested by pruitt, and some of the stuff fellow republicans have said about pruitt. let me play that. >> the appearance of impropriety matters. the waste of taxpayer money matters, and if you -- if you can't use good judgment and put taxpayers first, it's time to find another line of work. >> he is really abusing his position of power, and that is
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truly what i said. it's about as swampy as you get. >> senator, as swampy as this may look to you or to joni ernst is there realistic anything you think will come of any of these investigations? this investigation you're asking for, or is this a case of, he serves at the pleasure of the president? >> i think eventually these investigations, not to be conducted by democrats and republicans but inspector generals and the inspector general of accountability and others. they'll receive results from their investigations and are impartial, objective and my hope is that my colleagues not just democrats but republicans will listen to those and take those seriously. >> the president defended him yet again today. let me play that for you, senator. >> scott pruitt is doing a great job within the walls of the epa. we're setting records. outside being attacked viciously by the press, and i'm not saying that he's blameless, but we'll see what happens.
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>> that's pretty much the same line we've heard from sarah sanders. she has been answering questions about him for months. let me play that. >> i haven't had a chance to speak with the president directly about the "washington post" new report. we continue to have concerns and look into those and will address them. >> certainly look in to the matter. i couldn't comment on the specifics of the furniture use in his apartment. >> he was referencing a report done by the epa which we are continuing to review. >> i know there was a much larger number of security issues surrounding the epa administr e administrator than in the past but for specific questions beyond that i'd refer you back to the epa. >> we take this seriously and are looking into it. >> so, you know, obviously you have the thing you're looking at. you have all of these other -- i don't know what else you call them, but bizarre when talking about used mattresses and going to hotels looking for a speck kind of lotion. a specific kind of lotion. what's at stake here, though?
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give us a big picture. why is this important? why should people, with everything else going on in the world, care about this? >> the epa, head of the epa, you're responsible with tens of thousands of other people ensuring the water we drink is safe, clean. responsible making sure the air we breathe is safe and clear. but making sure that the health of the american people is protected. when a person spends most of his time defending, trying to find a franchise for your wife to take over back in oklahoma, your security detail many times decides -- any deal we've seen in a position like this, folks sending your security team out to find moisturizers and snacks and that kind of thing. we lead by example. we need more leadership and the president having said i would clean up the swamp, joni ernst from iowa, scott pruitt is the
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embodiment of the swatmp and we need members of congress and the senate who lead by their example, set a good moral standard to figure out what is the right thing to do, do it and treat others the way we want to be treated. pruitt does not live up to those standards. >> appreciate you coming in on a friday afternoon. thanks so much. >> thank you. if nothing else, scott pruitt's trail of troubles have been great for late-night comedians. take a look. >> my man, fofocus. you have all that power. you've got to think bigger. like spanos and cutting the world of disney world. like -- too many people. ah! >> and bring in investigative reporter eric lipton who's written about pruitt him, followed him since he was attorney general, and white house correspondent for the "daily beast" with an article on pruitt today which is interesting.
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start with you, lauckland. you've rwritten how pruitt aide and detail have been used as lackeys essentially sometimes to fetch his fav rit snacks and treats. apparently likes what? protein bars and greek yogurt? >> yes. cookies, apparently scott pru hatepru -- pru hate a sweet tooth. something from higher end dean & deluca. anecdote about a high-level government official but it's also fundamentally a pretty serious breach of trust and potentially ethics rules surrounding a very prominent figure and the type of offenses that have really dogged other trump cabinet secretaries, in particularerans affairs secretary actual kinn s.
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>> he's still there, eric, but as you've written two of his aides left just this week. right? half dozen since april? what's going on? >> i think you would expect political people who he surrounded himself with to be some of his biggest loyalists but there -- they've been dropping recently and i hear some real sense of frustration when i talk to people about their sense that -- that they are being thrown under the bus. that this is all about scott pruitt, and -- so it's not only the career folks at the agency that have worked there for in some cases decades, but the people he brought in with them questioning some of his management decisions. this is not about the press attacking scott pruitt. i mean, when you look at e-mails and you see one of his senior aides using the epa e-mail address to contact a ceo of a fast food franchise to ask about a business opportunity, i mean, i rarely see something like that, and that seems -- in terms
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of an ethics issue that's a real one. >> they weren't even trying to hide it, it seems. you've been following him, as you wed. there is something rich about somebody who was an attorney general to enforce laws now being the subject of 15, maybe 16 investigations. should the white house based on his record back home have seen this coming? >> well, i mean, what you know about scott pru sitt is he want to listen to -- industry advocates and often is pushing an agenda aligned with them and to some extent questions the regulatory reach of the federal government and the wants to roll it back and that's something the trump administration wanted. >> to that point, what are you hearing from sources at the white house? as long as scott pruitt is running a business-friendly epa does it seem like he's safe? what other people in the white house -- what do they think? >> policy perspective, in the
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mainstream of the trump administration, but for months now a lot of folks, high-level people inside the white house have gotten very frustrated with pruitt. how he's handled some of the scandals. the fact they've taken place in the first place and i think people at epa recognized they don't have too many friends inside the white house with one very major exception, and that is the president himself. so scott pruitt feels and his staff feels if they can stay on the president's good side he'll be safe regardless what john kelly or any other white house staffer thinks about him. >> you both have done remarkable reporting on this and i'm sure you will continue to. thanks so much for being on. prior to t. you bet. coming up, as a general rule, would you say it's probably not a good idea to talk about your boss' marriage in public? has rudy giuliani crossed a line? - i love my grandma. - anncr: as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory.
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hands and knees and begged for it, which is exactly the position you want to put him in. >> i'm sorry, i don't respect a porn star. she believes in her husband. >> the first lady's office pushed back on that last statement. i don't believe mrs. trump has ever discussed her thoughts on anything with mr. giuliani. that's to the point from stephanie grisham. despite it all, the president backed giuliani just a few hours ago. >> rudy's great. rudy's rudy. but rudy is doing a very good job actually. [ inaudible ] >> he said what? >> he said being a porn star is not respectable work. >> i'm not going to disagree with imhad on that. >> eli stokols is an msnbc political analyst and reporter for "the new york times." president publicly backing this guy. privately, there's some report being that melania obviously
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wasn't happy. when stephanie grisham puts out a statement and he wasn't happy that that was something that crossed a line. what are you hearing? is it. >> the same. trump sort of judges each thing in the most immediate context, and if it is getting a bad reaction generally, he may be more skeptical. he may not like it. but rudy was brought on -- we say as attorney but we really mean spokesperson. he was brought in to act as an attorney but really to go on tv -- he's been doing a ton of it -- and stir things up, to attacks the president's rivals, to say things the president may not want to say quite as vociferously and really to make a muddle of the facts. this is a very political response, for the most part to this criminal investigation. and mr. giuliani is trying to prejudice the public further against the mueller probe and whatever findings are forthcoming. my understanding is that on that, which is his main task, the president thinks he's done a reasonably good job. >> i think you can put it into two camps. gossipy stuff like the trump
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marriage. you kind of wonder why anyone would, frankly, insert themselves into their boss' marriage in a very pub wlic way. so there's that. giuliani just suggested kim jong-un came crawling back on his hands and knees. the secretary of state was asked about that. >> right. i know rudy. rudy doesn't speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. >> there's -- so i'm wondering, he clearly is making what's already a heavy lift even heavier. does that not register with the president? >> i think it may to some degree. rudy has been now rebuked -- you've shown two examples. he's also purported to speak for the mueller probe and said things that have been contradicted like mueller's going to wrap this up by the end of the year. he's really freelancing to an astonishing degree, and most of the comments -- many of the comments, i'll say, turn out to
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not necessarily be fact-based. you just sort of have to wonder whether this is a net positive or a net negative at the end of the day for the president and what he is trying to accomplish in terms of persuading the american public. it does not seem to be a net positive for mr. giuliani. this is a guy, america's mayor years ago, after 9/11, and was at a yankees game getting booed a couple weeks ago. really telling. >> eli stokols, thank you very much. we have some breaking news for you. paul manafort has been hit with a second superseding indictment. we're working to get more information on this right now. we'll be back with more on this breaking news after a quick break.
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that's going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." katy tur, i don't even know what to say. it's almost always i'm handing off to you with breaking news. >> 2:00 p.m. wichg hour. the news is in the manafort case it is a superseding indictment against one of manafort's associates, konstantin kilimnik, and it does name manafort as well. is another superseding indictment. we are working on getting more information about that. in the meantime, it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in quebec city where president trump is walking into a meeting with some of his closest allies dukes up. any minute now he'll join the rest of the g7 leaders, what they call a "family photo." a snapshot though of a dysfunctional family right now. a familyha


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