tv MSNBC Live With Katy Tur MSNBC June 8, 2018 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
that's going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." katy tur, i don't even know what to say. it's almost always i'm handing off to you with breaking news. >> 2:00 p.m. wichg hour. the news is in the manafort case it is a superseding indictment against one of manafort's associates, konstantin kilimnik, and it does name manafort as well. is another superseding indictment. we are working on getting more information about that. in the meantime, it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in quebec city where president trump is walking into a meeting with some of his closest allies dukes up. any minute now he'll join the rest of the g7 leaders, what they call a "family photo." a snapshot though of a dysfunctional family right now. a family that fights over trade,
security, climate change. a family that is threatening to turn against one of its own. the u.s. what president trump might need right now is a friend, so who does it appear he's reaching out to? who do you think? >> g7, which used to be the g8. they threw russia out. they should let russia come back in. because we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> that was just the beginning of an avalanche of news the president made before heading to canada this morning. there was this on his preparations for the north korea summit. >> i said i've been preparing all my life. i always believe in preparation. but i've been preparing all my life. >> on leakers after a senate intel staffer was arrested last night in connection with a leak investigation, though to be clear, he was arrested for lying to the fbi. not for leaking.
>> i'm a big, big believer in freedom of the press. but i'm also a believer in classified information. has to remain classified. that includes comey and his band of thieves who leaked classified information all over the place. >> on his pardon power. >> there will be more pardons. i'm thinking about muhammad ali. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. but i'll never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong. and naturally, on rudy giuliani and stormy daniels. >> rudy's great. rudy's rudy. but rudy is doing a very good job actually. he said what? >> he said being a porn star is not respectable work. >> i'm not going to disagree with him on that. >> so our big question today is -- where do we even begin?
nbc's kristen welker is traveling with the president in canada. nbc's ali velshi is here in the newsroom with me on his phone breaking some news -- or looking into breaking news, at least. in d.c., politico senior writer jake sherman. along with bloomberg white house reporter shannon pettypiece. kristen, what's the latest at the g7, including the response to donald trump wanting russia back in? >> well, katy, the president had already enflamed this summit, which is typically a meeting of allies who are coming to discuss the economy, foreign policy, a range of issues. but in the wake of imposing harsh new tariffs, he infuriated just about everyone here. so we all woke up to this war of words this morning between president trump and a number of the leaders here. but it only escalated when he made those truly remarkable comments on the white house
south lawn saying that russia should rejoin the g7. just to remind our viewers, the reason why russia was suspended back in 2014 was because it invaded crimea. and his suggestion this morning was met with a sharp backlash from the other world leaders. canada saying we don't support russian re-entry to the table as long as they continue to illegally occupy crimea. and then you had lawmakers, republicans, weighing in. ben sass saying this is weak. russia is not our friend. an even stronger statement from senator john mccain, katy, who said this -- vladimir putin chose to make russia unworthy of membership in the g8 by invading ukraine and annexing crimea. nothing he has done since then has changed that most obvious fact. the president has inexplicably shown our adversaries the deference and esteem that should be reserved is for our closest allies. so that's the backdrop as the president prepares to discuss a range of thorny topics, but
trade, tariffs, really being at the top of that list. he's going to be sitting down with the prime minister of canada in just a few hours from now. ultimately we expect him to meet with president macron of france, but that meeting, if it happens, katy, significantly pushed back because the president was an hour late getting here and he's leaving early tomorrow, sending a number of signals that he's just not interested in being here. now a white house official telling me, look, that's overblown. the president's a busy leader, he has a lot on his plate and that accounts for why he was delayed. but the optics of it, katy, this is a president who is poised for a fight. some of those images that you played, all smiles. what happens when they actually sit down. that's what we'll be watching for. >> he's got time to stand and talk to reporters for 20 minutes. he's got to tweet a lot. there's a lot of executive time in the morning. so yeah, certainly, pretty busy. ali, if tim's overstating this, tell me. it does kind of feel like donald trump is almost out to create a new world order. >> yeah.
>> he's punishing our allies. he's not showing them very much respect. showing up at this meeting late. at the same time, he's embracing vladimir putin. he embraced the king of saudi arabia. he is talking very friendly towards kim jong-un. certainly very friendly toward xi jinping. >> and he said good things about erdogan and he said good things about other leaders who have not sort of had a wholesome respect for both democracy and the media. what's important here with these trade deals, or even those associations like g7, it is not about tariffs on pork or tomatoes or whatever the case is. these are dispute settling mechanisms. the reason you get into these things, you say we're going to be doing a lot of business together. we're allies. we're going to figure out ways to solve our problems and they are in these deals, the way you solve these problems. go to canada and wherever the g7 meeting is going to be held. deal with issues like syria, the
iran deal. donald trump's saying i don't care not for the particular deal, but i don't care about the dispute settling mechanism. you are not important to me because you are an ally. that's the disruption of the world order. the canadian/u.s. alliance. the european/u.s. alliance. these are decades old. in the case of canada, it is 150 years old. to just toss these aside is very disruptive. what you are seeing is the tariffs that canada wants to impose on american goods are triple what mexico and the european union are. it is almost $13 billion worth of stuff for canadians, this is a big deal. right? america is the 800-pound gorilla. it is all the business you do. so to annoy canadians to that degree, to have justin trudeau who like emmanuel macron goes out of his way to be friendly with donald trump and find common ground to say the dplovz a gloves are off, we are going to dispute this, this is very serious on a world stage perspective. >> why does he continue to run towards controversy?
he has all this smoke surrounding what may or may not have happened during the campaign with russia and with his campaign. and instead of backing off of it, instead of distancing himself, we continue to see him run directly towards vladimir putin, almost as if there is no concern whatsoever for vladimir putin meddling in our election for russians shooting down a commercial plane may 17. for russia annexing crimea, which is the reason why they're not in the g8. reason why it is not the g8 any longer and now it is the g7. >> and the president is certainly aware of all these arguments. because our reporting indicates that they have been made to him and that he has been warned that this proposed summit with putin is not a good idea by people in his own administration who have cautioned him against doing this. the latest we've heard is that there is a proposal to have a summit between trump and putin in vienna that the president is really eager to do. and despite the cautions of his
own administration. i mean the president's allies would say that he feels this need to bring his adversaries close and they use north korea as an example of that, that in some instances it is more important to bring your adversaries in than your friends because those are the ones you have to worry about. but i guess the most heads-scratching thing of this administration for people in the foreign policy community has continued to be, yes, this continued deference towards russia, this continued desire from day one, from the transition, as we now know, based on some of the reporting and indictments that came out around flynn then, to show a positive attitude towards russia. >> it is not just deference. it is flattery. it is positive attitude, as shannon, you are saying. jake, emmanuel macron, the french president, said today they don't mind being a g6. meaning they don't mind kicking the united states out of this. how are republican lawmakers on
capitol hill likely to respond to that? >> i think a few issues on the electoral consequences of all this. number one, the republicans i talked to -- i was speaking to a senior republican this morning which says all of this russia stuff looks like hysteria on the campaign trail. we're not worried about it. though almost uniformly at the top of the party, the most senior lawmakers up here, they believe that the tariff issue is going to cost them their majority if they don't settle it in the next month. they believe it is going to severely impact american businesses. they are extraordinarily afraid of the electoral consequences here, the political consequences five months before an election. on other fronts, the economy's continuing. low unemployment, stock market is soaring. but again, they are really begging the president to do something to back off of these threats. but, when they watch these tweets and they see what he is saying in advance of the g7, it doesn't look like he is going in
that direction in any way, shape or form. so t >> as a wise man once said, each betrayal begins with trust. thank you all very much. we do have some breaking news as i mentioned at the top of this hour. a new superseding indictment has been filed by the special counsel in the robert mueller sorry, by special counsel robert mueller in connection with paul manafort's case. nbc news investigative reporter tom winter is here with me in the newsroom. tom, explain this to us. >> so, katy, paul manafort's been hit with another indictment in his d.c. case. we have a new name in this, although it is a name we have reported about before. that's konstantin kilimnik. he is an individual that worked with paul manafort in ukraine. he is known as a kind of political fixer, political ideologue in that part of the world. he's also somebody that the u.s. government has linked with
russian intelligence, somebody that paul manafort has done business with for a significant period of time. here's what's new today. there's been two counts of obstruction of justice. one count each -- obstruction of justice, and another count of conspiracy to obstruct justice. this goes to the witness tampering allegations that we first heard about earlier this week in that paul manafort and konstantin kilimnik, according to this indictment, did conspire to influence, delay and prevent the testimony of several people that they had done business with as part of this pro-ukrainian lobbying effort that had been going on several years ago. so the charges -- new charges today relate to that. it is the first time that we are seeing konstantin kilimnik being named in robert mueller's papers. in addition to that, paul manafort is also going to be facing some new charges of false and misleading fara statements. >> foreign lobbiest registration. >> that you have to do. if you are working for another government within the united
states lobbying, doing media outreach, certain efforts on their behalf, you have to register with the justice department. so manafort has gotten in trouble with this before tied with this case. today we see some additional counts and some additional information about those efforts in what he didn't do to register. >> last we heard about manafort, we heard about these messages he was sending over encrypted apps to try and get people on the same page with their testimony, it seems. robert mueller wanted to put him in jail. revoke his bail. >> revoke or modify. >> it was a violation of that. where does that stand? when is the judge going to decide on that. >> we had anticipated hearing from paul manafort's attorneys today. they had to file by the end of the day today a filing with the judge stating what their response was to all of this. and what he was doing reaching out to these people and providing some sort of a court filing response. and then next friday paul manafort is due to be in court where a judge may make a decision there on the spot and
either revoke his bail or find some way to further restrict it. that's what he's looking at but today he's now been hit with actual charges. we knew there was a flurry of activity in the grand jury area of the d.c. district courthouse today. we have one of our producers there so we know that the people that were handling or been involved with the manafort case were there today so we assume that the grand jury perhaps voted on this and the superseding indictment filed just a few moments ago. >> it seems like robert mueller's really turning the screws on manafort. >> every single way that manafort has turned here where he was done something that may be afoul of the law -- again, he hasn't gone to trial. he's said he's not guilty of all this conduct. but every single time he has taken a turn, robert mueller has been there to meet him with new charges. they've been there to meet him when he's reached out to people in the past. they've been there to reach out when he tried to ghost write an article in violation of a gag order. everything he is doing -- and we know because they've executed search warrants according to court filings on his phone since
he's been arrested. at every turn is he doing something that they think runs afoul of the legal process. they are there to meet him with new charges, new filings and they've been very open about it. >> again, the only hints we are getting in the special counsel investigation come from their court filings. a lot of those court filings have pertained directly to paul manafort like they did again today. tom winter, thank you so much for reading that so quickly and rushing on set to sort it out for us. we appreciate it. now over to capitol hill where a long-time senate intel staffer was arrested on thursday night. james wolfe, a former security director for the senate intelligence committee, was charged with lying to federal agents investigating a potential leak of classified information. he is accused of making false statements in december about his contacts with three reporters. nbc's garrett haake is in baltimore where wolfe is in court this hour for the first time to be charged. and nbc's julia ainsley is one of the reporters who broke this story. garrett, what do you expect out
of the hearing? >> well, katy, these preliminary hearings are generally a pretty quick affair. we may get a plea, we may find out something about conditions of release and we may potentially find out what more the government has up its sleeve other than what was released in the indictment released last night. what's gotten a lot of play on this, including from the president, is that somehow this was a leak of classified information. but the reality in the indictment, the language here is that wolfe is charged with lying to the fbi about his contact with reporters, not actually with leaking classified information. so we have yet to see if that loop can be closed there and if indeed there is classified information that showed up in these reports so that the government is aware of wolfe leaking. we could potentially find out some of that today, but likely not. >> julia, how does this tie in to the news that a "new york times" reporter's phone calls and her -- not personal information, but her reporting information was being secretly gathered by the government?
>> so it fits very closely. there are four reporters named in that indictment, reporters number one, two, three and four. they aren't named but we know the identity of one, ali watkins, now at "the new york times." they were focused on a particular article that she wrote about a year ago when she was at buzzfeed about carter page's involvement. carter page, of course, working for the trump campaign for a period of time. carter page's involvement with a spy based in moscow. they thought that she had information in that material that was classified, and they started looking into james wolfe as a potential leak of that information. but what they found -- i think garrett's right to point to this word classified here because it is important -- is that the information wolfe shared was sensiti sensitive. they talked about how he had a mishandling of sensitive information. he obviously should have known better being the security director of that committee for decades. that's his number one job to protect information like that, but it wasn't classified. we also know that there are three other reporters out there
who apparently also had contact with him and he's been asked about them as well. >> julia ainsley, garrett haake, guys, thank you very much. we're just getting this family photo of the leaders of the g7 summit. you can see right there, donald trump towards the center, next to canada's prime minister, justin trudeau. canada is hosting this summit. there is theresa may, angela merkel, as well. donald trump is getting a bit of a frosty reception here today. these tariffs that he's imposing on our allies, canada, mexico, et cetera, the eu, are not going over well. in fact, emmanuel macron, the french president who seemed to have such a cozy relationship with donald trump, a special relationship, as it was described, said something pretty striking today that they are perfectly fine with this being a g6. as in, they don't need america. let that sink in.
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my life. i always believe in preparation. but i've been preparing all my life. you know these one-week preparations? they don't work. just ask hillary what happened to her in the debates. >> ben rhodes served as former deputy national security advisor to president obama and is now an msnbc political contributor. he's also the author of a new book, "the world as it is." ben, it's good to see you. donald trump says he's been preparing his whole life for this meeting with kim jong-un. what in his life experience could be preparing him for something like this? >> well, unless he has like a degree in nuclear physics that i'm not aware of, i think he needs to be doing a lot more preparation. the fact is, this is an incredibly complicated negotiation. we went through six, seven years to get to the iran deal. frankly, it involves complex sanctions policy. it involves, again, what is our
analysis of the north korean nuclear program. a lot of diplomatic prep work that needs to be done. in order to pull something like this off and to get a deal in place that actually rolls back north korea's nuclear program you've got to do the homework if you want to pass the test. >> how much of it is about attitude, about personal charisma? >> you know, that's important. it could help build a relationship and build some sense of mutual trust in the room. but frankly, katy, i don't even know what they're trying to achieve in the summit. what would they define as success? what kind of deal are they trying to get with the north koreans? so attitude can get you a relationship with the person across the table. but it is not going to get you the deal that you want. that's whatstaking work. >> if you were advising the president, what would be your top thing to prepare for and top thing to not do? >> one, i would have taken more time to get to it.
i did the negotiations with cuba in normalizing relations with them, another country with whom we had no relationship. i met probably 20 times with raul castro's son before president obama actually met with raul castro. when you have no relationship you have to plow a lot of ground and set up a lot of the agenda before you put the president in that kind of situation. so i would advise doing more work. i'd also avoid, frankly, telegraphing that you need this deal. i worry when he is awarding himself the nobel peace prize and kind of declaring victory just because he's having the meeting, i worry that that sends a message to north korea that if they make some kind of hollow commitment to some day give up their nuclear weapons, that they could get what they want which is international legacy and sanctions relief without actually having a deal in place that accomplishes rolling back their nuclear program and that has inspections to see that they are keeping their commitments. >> so china may not be in the room for this negotiation, but they're the big elephant in the room trying to play an outsized
role in any negotiations that might involve north korea or even in the asian region. in your book, you talk a little bit about what it was like for president obama to go around the world and discuss donald trump's election with other foreign leaders. you do talk about a discussion he had with china's president after the election. this is xi jinping saying, we prefer to have a good relationship with the u.s., he said, holding his hands in front of him. that is good for the world. but every action will have a reaction. and if an immature leader throws the world into chaos, then the world will know who to blame. obviously donald trump campaigned on us having unfair trade agreements with china. but he's also gone over there and he's embraced the chinese president and he's flattered him quite a bit. looking back on that conversation and that moment in time, how do you see it now? >> well, it's kind of haunting to read those words. that was the final summit that obama had with xi in peru in
november 2016. frankly, what xi said is exactly what is happening now, because what he was referring to was actually trade. obama had been saying, trump may actually take trade actions. xi said, look, we're fine with that because the world will blame trump. frankly, what's happened is even worse because trump has targeted not just china but he's targeted our closest allies. what you're watching at the g7 is literally before our eyes kind of the unraveling of the post world war ii order, the alliances that we depended upon. that's being brought about not because of russia or china but because of the president of the united states and his actions. that's a really shocking development. the fact is all these issues are connected. and if the world sees us as more isolated, and not being able to count on our closest allies, and frankly, us picking fights with you a our closest ally, it opens a door for china to say we're a better bet than the americans. that's what i really worry
about, is that president xi's words are really coming true. >> this struck me and my team on your book. you write, i wanted a hero, someone who could make sense of what was happening around me and in some way redeem it. that's why you wanted to work with barack obama as he was running for election the first time around. it made me think in particular of this john dickerson piece in "the atlantic" where he writes the presidency hasn't grown in power, it's grown in scope, complexity, degree of difficulty. each time a president has added to the job description. a president must now be able to jolt the economy like franklin roosevelt. tame congress like lyndon johnson. comfort the nation like ronald reagan. what do you make of that? do you think that we have set our expectations too high for an american president that they have to be everything and all things to all people? >> i think so, katy. i write about the world as it is. part of the point that i was making in the book is that, there's this expectation that
the u.s. president is going to solve literally every problem in the world. crisis takes place on the other side of the globe. there could be many different factors that are at play there. the question here is what is the u.s. president going to do to solve that problem. frankly the world is not something that any one person can solve on their own. i do think that a lot of this comes to the president. what i do worry about though is that what the president has is all of these institutions that have been built up over years. the capability of our own government. the capability of our allies. and president trump's actually making this impossible job even harder because he's denying himself the benefit of our own agencies who he seems to be attacking on a regular basis, our intelligence and law enforcement and diplomatic agencies, and also the help of our allies. it is hard enough to deal with the world as it is for any president. it is so much harder if you cannot count on that machinery that has been built over decades that a u.s. president can usually turn to. >> final question i want to talk to you about. the leak investigations and
targeting journalists is not something that donald trump is unique in doing. this certainly was happening during the obama administration. what is your opinion of the federal government reaching in to the phone records, the reporting records of a journalist? does that violate freedom of the press. >> yes. i'm uncomfortable with it. i was uncomfortable with it in our administration. i write in the book about having the bizarre circumstance of being swept up in some of these leak investigations. i was never a target. but just because i talked to reporters, i inevitably got hauled in front of prosecutors and the fbi. so at the same time that i was getting all of these incoming questions from reporters about our leak investigations, i was getting mounting legal bills because of them. the fact of the matter is, there is a dialogue between the press and the administration that needs to take place about issues. i do believe there needs to be strict protections on classified information. but i worry that if they get too aggressive, you start undermining the basic trust that reporters have to have to be
able to do their job, that they're not going to get somebody who they pick up the phone and call in prison. because the fact is, sometimes reporters get access to some information. they start calling around people. if suddenly there is a chilling effect that nobody can explain these complicated issues or put some context around them, i do believe that undermines tfreedo of the press in this country. >> ben rhodes, "the world as it is, a memoir of the obama white house." ben, thanks for being with us. and welcome to the team. nbc team, at least. >> thanks a lot. in an open letter to president trump, senate democrats are calling on the administration to reverse course on its policy of separating immigrant children from their parents at the border. citing findings from the american academy of pediatrics, the senators write, this policy has traumatized children who are fleeing extreme violence. our government has a humanitarian duty to the children and families seeking asylum in the u.s. to end this policy immediately."
today the president blamed democrats again though for that policy. >> the democrats -- this is a democrat bill. the democrats can end that very quickly. all they have to do is sit down with us and negotiate a real bill that allows us to keep criminals out of this country. >> joining me now, democratic senator chris murphy who represents the state of connecticut. senator murphy is 1 of the 40 senators who signed that open letter to donald trump. he's also a member of the foreign relations committee. senator, thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the president keeps saying this is a democrats' policy, not his. >> yeah. two plus two equals 75. i mean what's up is down. listen, what he's doing essentially is terrorizing children as a means of trying to get his wall built. he can't convince america to support his wall. he can't convince mexico to pay for it. he can't get republicans to pass legislation in congress to build
his wall so he's now terrorizing little kids, ripping them away from their parents, as a bargaining chip with congress to try to get us to build that wall. that's what he's talking about when he says that if we do an immigration bill, we can fix the problem he's created and get his political problem solved as well. and that's absolutely unconscionable. >> part of the problem here for many folks is just there is a basic lack of transparency. you can't get into these detention centers. reporters have a really hard time getting in to the hearings, those immigration hearings, that are being done en masse now at the border with something like 40 immigrants in the courtroom at one time. all pleading at the same time. senator merckley went down there and they wouldn't let him in. >> think about that. think about a united states senator asking to be admitted to a federal building and being told that he can't get in. this is not a cia facility. this is not some terrorist
detention center. this is an immigration facility where little children are being held. those are the lengths that the trump administration is going to try to make sure that america doesn't see what's happening. because if senator merckley had gotten into that building and seen these little kids, these 5 year-olds, these 8 year-olds, literally having their lives change by this separation trauma he would have been able to tell a story that might have changed the minds of lots of people all across this country. so i'm disturbed at the practice. i'm disturbed at the lack of transparency and i'm disturbed at this tactic that the president has chosen to undertake. >> if you are so disturbed, does it take more than a letter to the president to change things? >> i mean, listen. it takes this entire country to rise up and tell him and the republican party that this isn't acceptable. but i can go over and try to break down the doors of the white house but the president knows what he's doing is wrong.
he is doing it because he knows that it drives democrats crazy and that it drives many people across this country crazy. he's hoping that what he's doing is so abhorrent that he can ultimately get his wall funded. the problem is if we give in on this, then he will take other vulnerable populations hostage all across this country as a means of getting the rest of his agenda today. >> so you're seeing no compromise whatsoever when it comes to his border wall, no compromise for drooe.r.e.a.m.ero compromise for this policy that's currently ripping family members apart. >> remember, we were very willing to compromise for full protection of d.r.e.a.m.ers. it would have given the president substantial funding towards the wall he wants in exchange for protection for these kids. but again, these kind of tactics that he's employing, the terrorizing of these little kids, that's a tactic that won't end if collectively a congress
we give in to it. you should just be a good person. he should be a human being. and he should stop terrorizing these kids. >> senator, sounds like what you're saying is you don't negotiate with terrorists and you're calling the president a terrorist in this scenario. >> no, i'm not -- >> you're saying he's terrorizing kids. the policy is don't negotiate with terrorists because when you give them what they want they'll only hold more people hostage, et cetera. that is what you just said. if you give the president what he wants, he'll hold more vulnerable population groups hostage. >> well, i did not call the president that name. but what i did say is what he is doing to these kids is terrorizing these kids. it is inflicting terror on them. it is fundamentally traumatizing them in a way that they will not recover from. that is an accurate description of what he is doing. >> finally, what do you think of the president wanting russia back in the -- to make the g7 a g8 again and add russia back in? >> i don't know. now it seems like it is going to
be a g6. looks like we are on the verge of getting kicked out of the g7. they are going to do some of these agreements without us. you can now see why the president -- why the russian government cared so much about getting donald trump elected. i think that putin is getting exactly what he wanted. he has paid no substantial price for interfering in our election. he has not one inch inside crimea or ukraine and he is now being let back in to the club. so the message coming from last week and this week seems to be that if you're a friend of the united states, you get treated really shabbily. if you're an enemy of the united states, you get top class treatment. >> connecticut senator chris murphy of the foreign relations committee. senator, thank you very much. anyone who is interested in this immigration story as i am, go out, do yourself a favor. read a "new york times" article called "it's horrendous, the heartache of a migrant boy taken from his father." it is the sort of story that will break your heart.
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with scott pruitt? who wants a used mattress? >> someone who potentially wants a free -- or at least a very cheap mattress, courtesy of the trump hotel in washington, d.c. possibly. but -- >> there are a ton of mattresses on the street here in new york city. i can point scott pruitt to any number of them. >> only some of those are quite as clean as the ones at the trump hotel in washington, d.c. look, in terms of what is actually going on with scott pruitt, if you created this character in a writer's room two years ago to appear grift or alleged corruption, emblematic of the swamp president trump to enthusiastically vowed, falsely, to drain, you would probably be laughed out of the hollywood writers' room. some of this stuff is just too comically over the top in terms of his ethical lapses, in terms of the different stories and the
different flourishes such as you brought up earlier, the favorite snacks and cookies and ritz-carlton hand moisturizer. he's getting to the point where the satire is sort of supplanting the actual trumpian reality that we're choking on right now. >> talking about just what the security detail is doing running him errands, remind our folks that according to the "washington post," that security detail cost taxpayers nearly $3.5 million during pruitt's first year on the job alone. that's according to data from the epa itself. when donald trump goes out and says he is doing a great, great job, is donald trump basically saying it doesn't matter what he does on the side, he's rolling back regulations at the epa, and so he can do whatever he wants. >> well, if you look at some of the high-ranking officials in the trump administration who have been ousted since donald trump came into the office, whether they're tom price or david shulkin, if you talk to
people who are allies of theirs, even people who agree, yes, they did do things or allegedly do things beyond the pale, they'd probably compare those things they did to a parking ticket compared to the mass murder under scott pruitt at the epa, all under president trump's watch. it seems that, at least for now, and at least publicly, he seemed to have the pseudo support of the president, that as long as scott pruitt's epa keeps slashing environmental regulations and re-making it in this conservative image, he can get away with ethical lapse after ethical lapse after ethical lapse. because, look, i'm not suggesting that all these sort of darkly surreally funny details coming out about scott pruitt over the last couple of weeks are on the level of iran-contra, but this is on the taxpayer dime. >> good point. thank you very much. >> thank you. and he always left us
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a food writer, story teller. but the bioon anthony bourdain's twitter profile was just one word, enthusiast. today he was found dead in france from an apparent suicide at the age of 61. his body was discovered by long time friend and fellow chef. cnn confirms the parts unknown host was in strasburg filming an episode of the show. while he perhaps was best known for that show, he rose to fame by giving voice to the real, raw, underbelly of the food world. he once wrote of the kitchens he worked in, i love the sheer weirdness of the kitchen life, the dreamers, the crackpots, the refugees and the sociopaths with whom i continue to work. the ever present smell of roasting bones, searing fish and simmering liquids. the noise and clatder, the hiss and spray, the flames, the smoke, and the steam. but above all, bourdain was an
adventurer. he travelled. he explored. he drank, and he ate. he gave readers a bond an teeth this advice about travel, i would say just be open. don't be afraid. if it's appropriate to drink alcohol, drink heavily. be smart, but be open to the world. among those he shared a meal and beer with was former president barack obama. he said of bourdain today, low plastic stool, cheap but delicious noodles, cold hanoi beer, this is how i'll remember tony. he taught us about food, but more importantly, about its ability to bring us together, to make us a little less afraid of the unknown. we'll miss him. bourdain's death marks the second high-profile suicide in a matter of days. just yesterday authorities here in new york confirmed that kate spade also died from suicide. took her own life. the question after these unsettling stories is why? joining me now is dr. douglas jacobs, associate professional
of psychiatry at harvard medical school and a consultant for the massachusetts adult suicide prevention project. doctor, thanks so much for coming. >> you are welcome, katy. >> in talking about what the cause of suicide is, i mean it's been on a dramatic rise now for decades. and it seems the majority of the people that are on the rise are people in middle age, men and women who should be entering the golden years of their life that are choosing to take their own lives. it's not just about young people any longer. what do you make of that? >> well, i think a way of thinking about it, katy, is it's not what is the cause, but there are causes. there is a mental illness. there are social factors. there are risky behaviors. but a common denominator, i believe, is what i refer to as inextinguishable anguish,
intolerable psychological pain that a person has reached in which suicide not only becomes a option, but it becomes the only option. and part of what we have to communicate, and a way of also thinking about it is that the prevention of suicide is everybody's business. your covering of the story today about a man who reached so many lives, who brought entertainment, who was admired -- how does that happen? and look upon it as that people do communicate their pain. they do communicate their despair. and we have to take those communications seriously. we know that 70% of person who is complete suicide communicate their intention to a significant other. and it's -- by making sure that we take those communications,
whether they are verbal or written, as if the same way we take it when a person is choking or in chest pain -- we need to get that person help. >> i was reading about a leading psychologist on suicide at florida state university. and he has this ven diagram, if you will, for risk. he says it's the intersection of i am alone, i am a burden, and i am not afraid to die. what do you make of those -- of that theory? it is thomas joyner's theory. >> yes. i'm familiar with dr. joyner. he has brought a lot to our understanding of suicide. but if you take those three investigators, first, i am alone. >> i am a burden. i'm not afraid to die. sorry. >> disconnected -- so you have i am alone, which is a disconnect. i'm a burden, feeling that i
can't live up to my responsibilities. and then i'm not afraid to die. and the way i look at that last one is that suicidal people are -- have two forces, the fwih to die, and the wish to live. and it is a battle. it is a struggle. the idea -- if we can make a connection with somebody as they are making that struggle, so that they feel they are not alone, the issue of being a burden, you know, that of course has to do with a lot of economic support. but one point about that, katy, is that the perception that one is a burden is in one's mind. >> yeah. >> and people need to be reassured that because they feel like a burden, that's a feeling. that's not the reality. >> dr. douglas jacobs. doctor, thank you so much for coming on and helping us understand. we appreciate it. >> thank you. as we head to break we want
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