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press" team and not me, because i'm usually in new york. and chuck todd went to meet justin trudeau in canada. your cup literally runeth over. i think it's fair to say, so does ours. that's it for tonight. we'll be back monday with more. "the beat" starts with ari melber. >> thank you. bob mueller indicts to 20th person in the russia probe. bob mueller making two big moves late today, charging a new person in this russia probe, a russian national linked to putin's intelligence services who spent years working for paul manafort. mueller adding new charges in this indictment. that includes witness tampering. the definite is konstantin.
now, when that news broke, basically everyone understood it because mueller was asking a judge to revoke manafort's bail over the allegations that he was trying to get witnesses to lie for him. the people turned over text messages from manafort and he had been trying to conceal all that effort to encrypted messaging apps. tonight, mueller is not only say thoegz everies should land manafort in trial, as we learned earlier, tonight, bob mueller is saying those efforts constitute new crimes and thus man stay fort and his employee should be sentenced for that obstruction and conspiracy. whatever paul manafort did, it was all old stuff before 2016. well, tonight's news, these new indictments the 20th indictment
in the mueller probe, this is new stuff. this is all about manafort did things this year, specifically around the time in february when more heat was on him as his closest aide, rick gates flipped. mueller, while he shuns the spotlight and doesn't do interviews he does sign the big moves in this case, and that's his signature on these indictments. manafort is the only american charged in this investigation who has not flipped. donald trump batted away questions about a potential pardon for him. >> i haven't even thought about it. i haven't thought about any of it. certainly it's far too early to be thinking about that. they haven't been convicted of anything. there's nothing to pardon. it's far too early to be thinking about it. >> we have several experts lined
up. we begin with daniel. does it mean to go at both manafort who's got a stack of charges against him, but also bring in this new definite over obstruction? >> it means bob mueller is continuing with his pattern of being aggressive and charging whatever it is that. cos across him. what's really shocking about this turn of events this week -- and given the bail revocation earlier this week, this is not really a sprurprise to charge them. they laid out the case in detail. if you go back to the indictment, there is -- i was looking over it. there's a sentence in there that says a principle for what's called company "a" got talking points fromle paul manafort about what they should say about their inquiries into lobbying in the united states. the guy writes, the principle
for that company "a" writes. we'll do that, but heaven knows what the employees might say. immediately after that indictment is filed, paul manafort reaches out to those employees and tries to convince them to lie, to stick with his talking points, which is an outright lie. the hutzpa that paul manafort has shown in the face of these charges is shocking. he's using his alley who has been reference in the some of mueller's papers as person "a," he used him as an intermediary to do this obstruction. right now, he's in russia and i don't think there's any expectation to bring hime here. >> do you think this was inevitable that clemmenic was going do get indicted?
>> enevidentable from tuesday or previously? i think there were indications that he had a close relationship with manafort and to the extent that manafort was engage in the criminal activity it's not surprised that he was, as of tuesday for sure, lumped in. there might be more. >> i'll just tell you because we keep it real here, i don't know whether you can say it's a surprise or not. all of this looks more logical as the case was laid out. this is the year anniversary of james comey's original testimony about obstruction. i don't think anyone knew we would be a year in, 20 indictments in. >> i don't think anybody had any expectation of that. and we are not done. what you have to remember as it relates to paul manafort and everybody wondering why he's doing what he's doing, mueller
has been cleared to investigate manafort on the collusion, which is separate from what he's doing here. it would not surprise me if further indictments come down and involve him. >> as dan mentions this originally came out in the attempt to jail manafort before his trial with the argument he's basically tampering. february 24th he says this is paul. he said, we should talk. he said i've made clear they work in europe, which is significant. then he goes on in the message here with person "a," who we assume is klimnik. these are the spaer lines.
bob mueller firing back saying those are evidence of new crimes. >> that's right. i think hutzpa is the perfect world for paul manafort trying to shift the way the investigation. today i believe, besides the day he was first indicted today was probably the worst day thus far for paul manafort, and that's because today dramatically ratcheted up the likelihood that he could end up going jail. earlier this week when the motion came down from mueller's team saying that manafort appeared to have obstructed justice, it was unclear on what kind of impact that could have had on paul manafort's freedom. his attorneys could have argued if there's an allegation but no indictment, then the obstruction of justice charges couldn't have been that bad. however now we have this indictment. we have bob mueller himself
signing his name on the dotted line saying paul manafort tried to get in the way of my investigation. a judge is going to have to look at that very seriously. the a grand jury signed off on this indictment. that raises the likelihood paul manafort could be incarcerated before trial. >> a pretrial detention is nothing to mez witss with. howard dean and jennifer reuben. governor dean, what politicians and other political figures say is generally outside of the courtroom, but we would be remissed not to note that these new obstruction charges for mueller come down in a period of time when people like rudy giuliani and sean hannity have been talking about obstruction as something people do and the president can do and it's not a crime. >> well, first of all, it is a crime. the question is whether or not the president can be indicted
and convicted. there's a difference op opinion on that. most scholars think he can be indicted. secondly, this is what crooks do. i once had a conversation with a state police officer in vermont vermont and i said, boy, we are talking about a case. i said this guy is really smart. he said no crooks are smart, because they always think it's never going happen to them. this is trump's m.o. he says the most outrageous things because he never thinks it's going effect him and it always does. that's what happened to paul manafort and it's going happen to trump. >> jennifer, on that point, there's some reporting about how manafort views all this in his kirk circle. his friends abandoned him. he feels betrayed by journalists turning on him.
i mean, just in a basic level of amoral real politics -- put aside your cooperation with legal authorities or the legal obligation on a bail deal, just in terms of legal interest, how does paul manafort think he's the person that everyone should be siding with over mueller or aka,the department of justice. >> it's completely unrealistic. i think the rch goer is right. crooks think loyalty to them is absolute. their loyalty to others is another matter altogether. i want to pick up on something betsy was saying that i think the crucial here. there's been much talk that not only the president can't commit obstruction of justice, but there's nothing there that ties trump to any of this. what we know already is the trump tower meeting is out there, in which he's accused of having drafted a false statement and we are finding out about
other meetings his son was involved in. these are real crimes. these aren't just trifles that are different, aside from the real meet of the case. these are real felonies. people go jail for them. i think to a certain extent, bob mueller is underscoring all of that. we are now up to 20 people that have been indicted. people have flipped. we are nowhere near the end of this. to the extend other witnesses are denying testimony, this is a big sign we are coming after you to. >> for folks that feel like, gosh, they are getting away with it, who's they? the campaign chair got hit with new indictment as did his aide. manafort's manafort as they call him. who's getting away with it?
there's a lot of accountability it would seem. governor dean, as you know, donald trump is vladimir putin's worst nightmare. everybody knows that. that's just a fact that the president said today. take a look. >> i have been russia's worst nightmare, but, with that being said, russia should be in this meeting. why are we having a meeting without russia being in the meeting? russia should be in the meeting. and should be a part of it. they threw russia out. they should let russia come back in because we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> governor? >> i would say vladimir putin is getting a pretty good return on his investmentment what this means is trump now wants the europeans to turn a blind eye to the fact that the russians seized part of the ukraine and are okay pieing another part of ukraine killed 10,000 ukrainians in their annexing of property in
crimea and trump wants this all to be forgotten. putin is getting a pretty good deal. he made a good buy here. >> that's if you believe that not only did putin intersede the way they say. can paul manafort help answer that question? i don't think we know. he's so central to so much of this there's a forrest gump quality. you think he was around at the trump tower meeting. he's only one degree of separation of people linked to the kgb, et cetera, and yet that's not proof. that's just circumstance. i want to reed you some of the reporting and get your view on it. a source familiar with the case says the indictment is brutal for manafort. he doesn't have anything to
trade. cooperating didn't possible because he didn't collude are the russians at the trump campaign's request. at the trump campaign's q meaning he could have done something solo. what does your reporting say about if there is anything to cooperate on? >> that's the question. anybody who knows what paul manafort knows would likely have something to be able to proffer to mueller and his team. mueller is working with anybody willing to work with him. he's working with george papadopoulos, other folks from the campaign, rick gates -- he clearly wants manafort. >> i'll let you finish, but all papadopoulos has is the latte instructions. that's all he knows as a coffee boy. >> exactly. why would mueller loop him in?
yes, he has. manafort knows something bob mueller wants to get out of him. i find it unbelievable that manafort wouldn't have access to some information bob mueller wants. >> i think it's completely entirely reasonable to think that manafort might be the top here. as you're working your way up, you always keep going, but given what we know about donald trump and how he operates and given the connections and contacts that we know manafort has and had during the campaign, given the flip in the platform as it relates to russia and ukraine at the convention that manafort was in charge of, it could be there was collusion, but it's isolated with manafort or stopped with manafort. that's consistent with what we know so far. at least not inconsistent. and it's conceivable that he is
the end game here. >> not inconsistent. dan with the big double negative. jennifer, close us out. >> it actually is inconsistent, because there was collusion in the trump tower meeting. when you offer dirt on your opponent and your son says i would love to have it, that is collusion. so it doesn't stop with manafort. the question is, how much and how secretive donald trump was. >> is that collusion or attempted collusion if you don't get the stuff? >> first of all, collusion, as you know, because you're a lawyer, ari s not a crime in and of itself. if you're talking about coordination, cooperation, an attempt to solicit something of value from a foreigner, which is the standard in the campaign laws, yes, it's illegal. >> yeah. you're putting your finger on something that's so important here, which is the trump defense has gone from we didn't do anything, we didn't know about it to we just weren't good at it to what rudy said, if we did that, it would still be look.
the federal campaign election act, some other laws beg to differ. big breaking news night, thank you for joining us. the mystery man charged by mueller. this russian operative is known at manafort's manafort. we'll break down why his charge matters. these charges come one year to the day after james comey's testimony. and from mattress gate to moisture gate, scott prosecute is getting roasted by comedians and members of congress. >> you can just go on the internet, search for ritz carlton lotion, he could have just ordered it. more on that. and tonight we are getting ready for the hot 97's takeover. with powerload™ technology. feed the line.
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bob mueller indicting a new person in the russia probe late today. this is the 20th person indicted a long-term employee of paul manafort with ties to russian military services and charged with obstruction and conspiracy. his name, konstantin kilimnik. he keeps a very low profile. our researchers have tried to find reliable photos of him. there are very few on the internet. he served as a fixer for trump's
campaign aides and it was lied about this man, kilimnik that led to mueller jailing that dutch lawyer in london. if you remember that. he acted as a go between for putin and oleg. mueller is investigating the changes that are made to help russia in the 2016 gop platform and this man allegedly bragged about pulling that off but denied any links to russian intelligence. >> if there had been any questions about my reel allegiance, he would have thrown me out of this administration. i have my own various trump rez evasions but his being prorussian, i was working with manafort. >> as experienced as you are in the region, how significant is it to see this russian indicted?
>> well, first, ari, i don't know him. i want to be clear about that. i have never met him. i used to follow manafort, and i would see him, his operations in ukraine -- >> ambassador, we could go one-on-one if we are doing full disclosure. i don't know him either. >> i know mr. deriposka for instance. we could go back to that in a minute. but he was well known working for manafort. he's working in ukraine, but he's a russian national. the world of intelligence services is generally murky. so say he worked for the gru or svr, i don't know that for sure. from my general experience in the region, would he have relationships with those kind of things until region?
my answer would be yes. >> he did invoke them, telling a journalist, don't show this picture of me. if you show that picture, i will kill you, the kgb will kill you the g rrk u will kill you as well. that alone could be tough talk, but combined with the case mueller is making makes this a pretty interesting individual. >> i agree. remember, their number one client in ukraine was victor yan kovich. he was support in the other ways by putten. in 2010 he wanted him to win the election. russian oilgarches supported him. they were all intertwined. >> when he hear this person dwriebed at manafort's manafort, the key native speaker,
operative, person on the ground -- you can read from his profile that serkz after he started working for manafort, he started adopting a flashier style, a suits, a mans with a pool. he was always smart enough to get close to the moneyment whatever anyone thinks of this, that sounds like business. at what point does someone like this in that world do business that's personally enriching but also do something else that could tie back to one of the issues under mueller's investigation? which is whether this was money and also putin goals? >> all the time in that part of the world. again, i don't know the details of this particular gentleman. right, we need bob mueller to do his work and reveal that, but do those things go hand and hand generally? the answer to that is absolutely yes. does putin and his proxies use
money to create leverage with people? the answer to that is absolutely yes. do people report back to the russian government, whether they're formally orpt members of the government or intelligence officers? in that part of the world, it doesn't matter. the lynns are murkier. the lines are blurred. i have seen that in other cases i know well. >> that's something experts like you have been educating us on that the distinctions here in the united states are not right to project on how this works. the cutouts are key parts of these influence operations which raises the key question of what mueller is pulling at when he files the indictments. ambassador, thank you. i now turn to mazie, senator from hawaii. what does it mean that mueller
is issue a 20th indictment and accusing donald trump's former campaign chair? >> i think the plot thickens. that is why mueller's investigation, from all appearances is being conducted in a very meticulous way, needs to proceed. only in a fake world that is donald trump's world is donald trump putin's worst nightmare. >> does it concern you that these new obstruction charges come at a time when people in trump's orbit speak openly that the obstruction is okay if it comes from the president? >> they're taking the extraordinary position that the president is above the law. i think that they feel the news closing and they're just basically saying all kinds of things. i find their comments just extraordinarily dangerous. we are in a democracy after all
and trump is not king. >> while i have you, another big story we have been covering is what appears to be a widespread abuse and corruption by scott pruitt at the epa. are you concerned about this kind of corruption in the trump administration? what can the senate do about it? >> of course i'm concerned. and in fact, when tom price did certain things and he resigned -- or pretty much pushed out -- the tolerance for this kind of corrupt behavior seems to rise with this administration by the day. because pruitt is doing certain thing that is eviscerates so many of the environmental protections. as far as trump is concerned, pruitt is doing a great job. so this is yet another conflict of interest. those kind of issues don't seem to matter to this administration
hasa z they seem to go about doing thing that is enrich themselves. for trump, it's all about him. up ahead, i have a "beat" special report about key questions in the mueller probe. one year after comey's famous testimony on the issue. and more of scott pruitt, roasting. when we come back in 60 seconds. for my constipation, my doctor recommended
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mattress gate to moisture gate. this is not "snl." this is congress roasting pruitt with props, citing his odd scandals from having aides try to get him a used trump tower mat res and having his aides driving around looking for lotion he could have bought online. >> he's using taxpayer dollars to ask for and try to find used trump mattresses. >> he had his personal security detail, paid for at taxpayer expension drive around to ritz carlton's trying to find lotion. there is this thing known as an internet. he could have just ordered it. >> to paraphrase lauren hill, pruitt may think he's more uncomfortable than two cleopatras, but he's still
willing to flip it in the swamp on a dirty mat res. pruitt found himself facing protests today by -- i want to be fair. this is something many, many politicians do have to deal with. you have probably seen it before. i'm talking about, of course, lotion he can hcklers. >> i was there with that pastor. >> leave, leave! >> get out of here! >> just classic lotion heckling right there. >> as for the rest of the culture, the jokes write themselves. >> pruitt sent his security detail to get him lotion from a ritz carlton hotel. he asked his taxpayer funded security to protect him from ashy angles. >> he enlisted an e prk a aide
to help find his wife a job with chick-fil-a, particularly a chick-fil-a franchisee. wow, scott, even the chick-fil-a cows think you should be more ethical. >> i'm joined by michael steel. are you ready to go from ashy to classy? >> yes, indeed. let's roll. i got my moisturizer. i'm set. >> is this washington's first lotion scandal? >> is this washington's first lotion scandal? well, not really. there have been some in the past that involved lotion, but those more discreet than this. >> what does it say about scott pruitt that the people closest to him are leaking these truly bizarre petty, and sometimes humiliating things? >> probably because they are not on the tip to get the mat res or the lotion or the chick-fil-a
franchise. within any agency you find staff gets en vie use. so here we are, we find ourselves in the this mess. of course it can kingpin here, the president cease nothing wrong with this. that further alienates folks. >> can you as someone who understands the washington mind without being coopted by it, can you shed any light on us why if you are trying to get a mattress on the cheap, why you would want one from a hotel where it's going to have a lot of different people involved with it? >> well, there is that. i mean, again, that relates back to the other lotion scandal which i didn't want to get into. there's this idea that people have that, you know, maybe someone has already kind of gotten out the kinks in the
mattress, so he wouldn't have to worry about finding that sweet spot. >> what is it going take for donald trump who at least pays attention to the optics of things, what's it going to take for him to see is optics of this grifting and swamping to move on from this appointee? or do you see him moving on because he's frustrating with the negative backlash? >> i think that's the big question. it's a heavy question for the president. right now, he's comfortable with the way the narrative is playing out. you can see the smile on his face when he talked about scott pruitt. even when he referenced just how difficult things are for him on the outside, he's handling business on theed in, for donald trump that's all that matters. >> does donald trump know what scott pruitt is doing inside the epa? >> no. >> i didn't think so. are you comfortable with the term moisture gate?
>> i think we can stick with moisture gate so to speak. >> my producers are telling me we are out of time. i don't know if that's because we are out of time or because we are done with this. it is friday. >> it is. freaky friday. >> michael steel, i don't know if we'll ever do another conversation like this, so i thank you. coming up. one year anniversary of comey's block buster testimony and how it looks today with the new indictments. new york's 87 radio crew who had me on their show. we talk politics, culture and even dogs. >> we watches the early snop dog video where they turn into dogs? >> they get together giggling at schoolgirls like core gis. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely.
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it's friday on "the beat." you know what that means. it's time to fall back. it's a takeover. we have a very hot fallback today. the hosts of hot 86. ,ebro. pete rosenberg. they have interviewed everyone from 50 to cardi to the h-bomb. to bernie, to always the h-bomb. hillary clinton is in there somewhere. you can catch the 20th anniversary of hot 97 assist summer jam. congratulations. i'm glad you're here. who needs to fall back? >> i know everybody saw this video. you need to have seen this video. the fbi agent that decided to go to the club, starts break dancing, does a back flip, forgets and he has a gun in his pocket. >> here it is.
how are his moves? >> terrible. >> that's a gunshot. they blur his face now. his face didn't used to be blurred the. face he makes after the shot -- is crazy. >> you think he needs to fall back rather than doing shootings. that wasn't part of the dance move, right? >> why one the safety on the gun? >> impressive gun talk, laura. >> i've heard of gun talk, but this is gun safety talk. >> wow. >> poor guy. >> rosenberg, who needs fall back. >> as the great beat nuts once said, take it or squeeze. what was it? >> you just ruined it. >> i think the great beat nut says you better watch your step. >> we could do that or watch out now. >> then you're going to have to hire pitch. >> mine, i'm going to start out with fox news.
it's not like i want to start beef, because i know we are on msnbc. here's my truth, though. they were so excited about the donald trump disinvitation of the philadelphia eagles, some producer was like, we need to get footage of the eagles kneeling. they find stock photos of eagles kneeling. great. here's the problem -- no eagles kneeled during the national anthem last year. they were kneeling in prayer. i don't know if you ever saw a football game. that's not where players line up during the national anthem. shout out to the great chris long and zach ertz who jumped on social media and said, fox news, we need you to apologize to these good christian men who were doing their pregame prayers and you accused them of doing something you didn't do. >> i heard you have a secret fallback. >> it's not a secret. we are on your show. you need to fall back and not
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probably better at the job if you care about it, but sometimes if you care too much you can lose the judgment that also people rely on you for, right? >> yeah, absolutely. but the thing that we often -- or i try to say on the show all the time is on all the shows i try to do, i'm not a journalist. i'm a broadcaster who tries to tell mien thes on music. >> you're in the a promoter. >> i'm in the middle. sometimes i'm skewed. even in the conversation i said, i know i'm being biassed because he hurt my feelings before. that's on the list of not cool things i've said, but we are human beings. we are different. >> i can't believe you got into the cool and tough when you have the same shirt on. like, how did that even come up? >> we should wrap this up. why didn't you tell me -- why didn't your producer -- who is it samantha?
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bob mueller indicted two people for obstruction today. this is the fifth time mueller's charged or secured guilty pleas to people for crimes related to obstruction in the russia probe exactly a year to the day that james comey testified for the first and well, it was the only time he ever testified about another type of potential obstruction. presidential obstruction. comey telling congress he thought trump tried to direct him to drop the criminal investigation of mike flynn.
>> i took it as a direction. >> right. >> i mean this is the president of the united states with me alone saying i hope this, i took it as this is what he wants me to do. i didn't obey that, but that's the way i took it. >> that was pretty damning testimony alleging trump tried to commit obstruction but couldn't pull it off because comey would not obey. when pressed whether those conversations were an effort to legally obstruct justice, comey was measured. it's up to mueller and perhaps the legal process to decide if a president obstructs, not a single witness in a case which is what comey became after his firing. > i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing, concerning. that's a conclusion i'm sure the special counsel will try to understand what the intention was there. >> the special counsel has been working for that conclusion for
manafort, flynn, kilimnik, papadopoulos, gates and many of mueller's proposed questions for trump bear down what he said and meant when talking to comey. meantime, trump's lawyers arguing that one, there's no obstruction if the probe continued, two, trump didn't say the probe should end and three, presidents have the constitutional authority to fbi directors. trump's lawyers also argue that even if that infamous lester holt interview looks bad because trump bizarrely admitted the one thing you can't admit about fire agfbi director that he did it with a probe on his mind, but in the same interview is, trump also said something that his lawyers argue now provides a defense to obstruction. that he knew the investigation would continue. >> very simply want a great fbi director. i want to get to the bottom of everything. having to do with this and many
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that's what we call a friday show. one more note, you can check out our new podcast that posts nightly wherever you get your podcast. i'll be back monday at 6:00 p.m. eastern. more importantly, "hardball" with chris matthews start right now. >> rolling seven. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. once again, trump's out there defending russia while snub package america's allies. departing today for the g-7 up in canada, the president called for russia, for russia to rejoin the group of seven. the international organization comprised of the world's leading economies. he wants them back in. russia used to be a member but their invasion of ukraine and subsequent occupation of crimea got them ejected back