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well, today, speaking over the noise of his helicopter at the white house, trump said that the g-7 countries should allow russia to be readmitted. >> russia should be in this meeting. why are we having a meeting without russia being in the meeting? and i would recommend and it's up to them, but russia should be in the meeting. should be a part of it. you know, whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. and in the g-7, which used to be the g-8, they threw russia out. they should let russia come back in because we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> we got a world to run. nbc news reports that the president's comments on russia were not planned. and caught some white house officials off guard. at the same time that the trump seems toe be advancing russia's interests, his tough talk on
trade is alienating america's usual allies at the g-7. yesterday, trump publicly lashed out at canadian prime minister justin trudeau and french president emmanuel macron saying please tell prime minister trudeau and president macron they are charging the u.s. massive tariffs and create nonmonastery barriers. when it comes to the uk's prime minister, theresa may "the telegraph is reporting trump will not hold formal talks with her according to the telegraph." allies to the president say, "trump has grown frustrated with may's school mistress tone." and expressed annoyance at her frequent demands. and now an advisor to trudeau told the new yorker magazine the goal of the g-7 summit has become to get allies together to try to contain the amount of damage trump is doing. well, president trump's expected to cut short his time at the summit to to singapore in advance of his meeting with kim
jong-un next week. i'm joined by susan page, mother jones bureau chief and contributor david corn and weekly standard contributor cheryl sykes. well, okay, susan, this is a cartoon. i mean he's always been accused of being in cahoots with russia and he's acting like moscow's guy in quebec this weekend. >> without addressing any of the things that got them kicked out. >> grabbing crimea. wasn't that part of the republican platform as adjusted by the trump people? >> yeah, that was then. this is pretty remarkable. what he's going to now is beak a g-6 summit plus the united states. since they started holding these in 1975, we have never had a situation where we are so at odds with our traditional allies. >> french president macron responded to trump's trade threats say the u.s. is also at risk of being kicked out. the american president may not
mind being ice located but neither do we will signing a six-country agreement if need be. as democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut said today, this is the kind of chaos and instability that vladimir putin was hoping for when he intervened in the 2016 election to help trump. let's watch chris murphy. >> listen, you can now see why the president -- why the russian government cared so much about getting donald trump elected. i think that putin is getting what he wanted. he has paid no substantial price for interfering in our election. he has not moved one inch inside crimea or ukraine and now being let back into the club and so the message coming from last week and this week seems to be that if you're a friend of the united states, you get treated shably. if you're an enemy of the united states, you get top class treatment. >> this is weird. it's like we hear the republican members of the congress are
afraid to challenge trump. trump's afraid to challenge russia. he's backing away. he acts like vice president pence acts towards him towards russia. >> i don't think he's afraid. i don't think he cares that russia attacked the united states in 2016. we say meddled, intervened. it was an information warfare attack. he doesn't give a darn about maintaining relationships or more importantly values with our allies. it seems to me he wants not a g-7 but really a g-2. him and putin. he sfwhoonts jihad right now. >> it's him. >> another unfortunate phrase. >> he has this affinity this psychological affinity for putin to talk about him joining the g-7 putting aside crimea after what he did to the united states. a basic fact that he has not recognized or talked about in public. and you know, there are a lot of ways you can run the world
without letting putin in the door and giving him a seat at the table to reward his bad behavior in ukraine, united states and syria and elsewhere. is he outliers right oblivious to that. i think he really wants it to be he and putin rule the world together that's not fear. it's a dark bromance. >> you know, charlie, back in the first gulf war, i have to give credit to certainly jimmy baker, u.s. secretary of state and the first george bush president because they're able to be put together a world coalition the chinese, checkbook power so-called even japan and the germans. they paid for the money to pay for the war. the arab league. they got everybody on our side. this guy, president trump seems to only want to go into the fight with his fists and nobody else on his side in the fight. he doesn't want any allies as we go to singapore. we'll need them. these sanctions we nail against the north koreans have to be backed up by the world or else they're useless.
why doesn't he want allies going to singapore? he's making enemies. >> several things jump out at me. a reminder, what a lousy negotiator donald trump is despite the image, the fact that he would give up something this valuableable to vladimir putin and getting nothing in return, that he would give it to him for free. the second thing is just the hubris of all of this with all the questions about his ties to putin, all of the questions about whether he's beholden to russia, the fact that he would sort of go out there and say you know what, i don't care what anybody says, i'm going to destabilize this alliance. i'm going to alienate our friends and apiece vladimir putin on the world stage. think about that that here's a guy who is acting like he's -- he's bulletproof that he doesn't need any allies, he done need any of that coalition to do what he wants to do. even by trumpian standards, it is an extraordinary moment. >> this is what they said of john foster dulles under
eisenhower. he was the bull that carried the china shop around with him. this isn't the first time trump's supported russia's occupation of crimea. back in 2016, he denied having involvement in changing the republican platform to reflect a softer position toward russia on ukraine. he still defended the change saying the people of crimea preferred to be part of russia. >> why did you soften the gop platform on ukraine? >> i wasn't involved in that. the people of crimea from what i've heard would rather be with russia and where they were. and you have to look at that also. >> that same summer, trump also said he would consider recognizing crimea as part of russia. susan, i don't know return together scene of the crime, i'm trying to find out why he keeps going backing to this love of russia. i was watching the pictures. this is superficial but i'm watching what's got to be the prettiest g-7 in history. the part overlooking the st.
lawrence was extraordinary today. everybody looked great. everybody looked like they were part of a happy party getting together, coalition confident world, japanese, everybody there. we're the ot guy out, the bull in the china shop. >> this is quite consistent with president trump's view of the world from the start which does not respect traditional alliances the way previous presidents has, america first america alone quality. doesn't want free trade in the same way previous presidents wanted about. >> why? is this a psychological condition? >> i don't know how to explain his attitude toward russia. i think his attitude toward america is a kind of for res america. that is his view of the world. >> look at these guys. look at these guys. this as interesting bromance going on here. he's not doing that with any of our allies from the west. >> that's interesting. >> he's in ca hoots with this guy. >> it's not just putin. putin is the number one guy, but with the chinese president, with the north korean dictator. >> he likes butties. >> he wants to make friends with
these people more than maintain the existing relationships where even if we have trade disputes and policies we share values. there's a liberal western democracies and japan, we share a set of values in a world that's increasingly polarized where these values are under attack. he has no regard for that and feels drawn to the people who would attack these values whether it's putin or china or a dictator like kim jong-un. that is explicable. >> he likes butties and wants the world run by bluies not like it's run where you have little countries we recognize their rights not to be overrun. he doesn't recognize that. charlie, your thoughts? >> well you know, i agree with everything that's been said here. but part of there is how dangerous this is not just for the economy and the country and the alliance but also trump himself. when think about all the things
that can go wrong if you break up this alliance, we are on the brink of a trade war, a tariff war. all the kinds of things that might derail the economic bloom that he's obviously has been touting for some time. not to mention you mentioned before, the destabilization of our ability to negotiate with the chinese, with the north koreans, iranians. all after that is in play. he's destroying something that he doesn't appreciate, he doesn't understand. and he doesn't appear to care about the consequences of all of these things that he's doing. >> yesterday, mr. trump said he doesn't need to prepare very much for the summit with kim because as he put it, it's about attitude. he's showing a lot of attitude. today he told reporters he's been preparing all his life for the meeting in singapore. let's watch him. >> were you serious about really not needing to prepare for the summit? >> i didn't say that. i said i've been preparing all
my life. i always believe in preparation but i've been preparing all my life. you know these one-week preparations, they don't work. just ask hillary what happened to her in the debates. so i've been preparing for this all my life. >> what, is he going to lover over kim jong-un like he did in the debate over hillary like a helicopter? i don't know what he means. >> the trouble is you can bluster your way through a real estate negotiation, i haven't done that. maybe you can. when it comes to -- >> i'm sure you've decided not to buy a house. >> nuclear weapons seem something that have a lot of details involved with them. you know the north koreans will come in meticulously prepared for what kind of deal they want to strike. you worry the president will in there and not be able to kind of make a smart deal because he won't understand all the details. >> they want to keep their missiles and grab south korea. how does he win? >> you know, when reagan was in office, he wanted to be appointed a special ambassador
to solve the cold war. he said he could figure it out and within an hour have an arms deal with the russians and everything would move on. this was 30 years ago. i do believe he thinks he's been preparing for there this whole life. susan said these things are resolved before the summit begins. none of that has happened. if you get to any of these issues he can't talk about a single one of them. >> we'll see starting monday. thank you, susan page, cheryl sykes on the road to singapore, david corn. coming up, special counsel robert mueller is turning up the heat on paul manafort. he's facing decades of prison. manafort's been hit with another indictment for obstruction and conspiracy charges for tampering with witnesses. the new indictments come hours after president trump insisted once again he has the absolute right to pardon himself. we'll get to that next. plus, mitt romney makes a bold
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welcome back to "hardball." there was breaking news today in the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller filed new criminal charges against trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort. and also one of his long-time business associates. according to the new documents, prosecutors accuse the two of witness tampering. federal prosecutors have asked that a federal judge revoke or revise manafort's parole. president trump was asked if he was considering a pardon for him. here's what the president said. >> no, no, no, i'm not above the
law. i never want anybody to be above the law. but the pardons are a very positive thing for a president. i think you see the way i'm using them. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. i'll never have to because i didn't do anything wrong. everybody knows it. there's been no collusion, there's been no obstruction. >> and here's what he said about manafort. >> i haven't even -- i haven't even thought about it. i haven't even thought -- i haven't thought about any of it. it's far too early to be thinking about that. mr. president -- >> they haven't been convicted of anything. there's nothing to pardon. >> well, why would he be talking about pardoning himself then? ruth marcus editor of the west and a contributor and paul butler msnbc analyst. let's start with the law.
you have an adjudicated the issue of pardoning yourself yet? >> i'll pardon you for obstruction and you for collusion. >> no collusion. just to let you know. >> that's right. so the president has extraordinary power pardon authority. it comes from the divine right of kings which is why trump loves it so much. i don't think he could pardon himself. again, it's not an issue that the supreme court has ever considered. if you look at the structure of the constitution, it's all about no one being above the law. impeachment is a process to get rid of a high official but the constitution specifically says after impeachment, that person can be indicted. can be charged with a crime. >> so therefore pardoning yourself would be a relevant to a president who wants to avoid being convicted after he leaves office? >> by implication you shouldn't be able to be pardon yourself if you could be subject to criminal prosecution after you leave office. >> exactly.
then anybody who was impeached would just, okay, i'll pardon myself. >> you can commit any crime you wish including someone technically on fifth avenue. >> why wouldn't every president just pardon himself on day one in office, executive order, i pardon myself. >> it's like giving yourself a nobel peace prize coming in the door. >> if he could do that too, that part's not in the constitution. >> let's talk about manafort. we watch him doing these walks back and forth to the courthouse each time carrying a heavier burden of a potential sanction, imprisonment. what is it adding up to 30 or 40 years? do i trust trump for a pardon? do i trust special counsel mule fer he'll give me a break be? that's a hell of a choice. >> robert mueller is going in on paul manafort. money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the united states. failure to register and now obstruction of justice. even just with the failure to
register we see how aggressive mueller is being. only seven people have been charged with that crime in the last 40 years. so again, it's all about squeezing manafort. here this is when we understand that robert mueller knows a whole lot more than we do. rick gates, manafort's guy is cooperating with mueller. i think he's got to have told mueller something. mueller really wants manafort to strike a deal to cooperate. >> the question is. >> is this because he needs manafort to nail him on collusion? this is his big star witness? after all, manafort has all these relations with ukraine. if he worked for trump as he did all those months as his top guy, trump would have talked to him about all this. he wouldn't have been outside the loop. that's why if i were the prosecutor, i would say this guy we're looking at was part of the whole thing from the beginning all those months we're talking about russian collusion
potentially. if i get him, i get the story. >> maybe. we don't know yet what the manafort has. we know he is taking what was a very bad hand because there's a lot of very easily proven money crimes, you know, you've got to file the bank statements, things like that. he's taking that very weak hand or a good hand for pluler and made it that much worse with these witness tampering allegations. >> wouldn't you being manafort common sense saying i wouldn't be in any of this trouble, the government would not have come after me if i hadn't hooked up with trump. i'm going to unhook myself with trump. >> dude is 70 years old. many of these are 20-year felonies. mueller's obviously very eager to cut a deal. why doesn't he do what michael fly flynn, george papadopoulos, carter page has done and make a deal? this is the time. >> here's more. manafort and his long-time associate with russia
intelligence ties konstantin kilimnik have been charged with two new counts of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct accused of knowingly to corruptly persuade another person with attempt to influence, delay and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding. sounds like tampering. >> it sounds also like sneshl counsel mueller has a bad attitude about trying to interfere with the process. >> he's not the only one, too. >> judges take that more seriously than a lot of prosecutors. so what that means is sometimes we think what if there's only evidence of obstruction, not evidence of collusion. >> only evidence of obstruction. >> again, there's been a question what mueller would do. this sends a signal he would bring a case if it's just obstruction. >> on the other side of the fight, this is of course, stormy daniels. why do you think rudy is going out there so far on a limb
trashing this woman? president trump told report rowers he's considering -- just a minute. president trump asked by reporters if he inspired rudy giuliani's comments that women like stormy daniel who's work in pornographic films don't deserve respect. here's what trump said. >> but rudy is rudy. but rudy is doing a very good job actually. doing a very good job. >> is being a porn star respectable work? he said a porn star is not respectable work. >> i'm not going to disagree with him on that. >> in other words, a porn star is not to be believed. according "the new york times" the president recently eninstructed his lawyer what to say about mrs. clifford and the special counsel investigation. recently rudy's comments earned redukes from the first lady and the secretary of state. the president has been three
cameos in three movies. >> it should be noted whether president trump had affair with stormy daniels or sexual encounter, we saw him in a very happy picture with her. >> does anybody on the planet not believe her? everybody believes her. >> i'm told by rudy goou that the first lady doesn't believe her. >> we don't believe. her press secretary said he's never talked to her about such a thing. why is rudy doing this? paul, making up conversations had he with the first lady he never had with her? why is he trashing this woman? he's getting into the muck here. >> he's a tv lawyer and in some ways it's working. his job is to attack the prosecutor. you don't have a defense, you go after the prosecutor. and again. >> he's not even representing are the president in the stormy daniels case. >> it's true but again, when you look at how a lot of folks are responding to the investigation now, they're buying this line. it's time to wrap it up. it's political. again, ultimately this is going
to be a political decision. it's impeachment and that's his base. >> you want to keep your credibility, mr. mayor, stop saying things that nobody believes that this thing didn't happen. trump told reporters he's considering granting an posthumous pardon to muhammad ali convicted of draft evision in '67. here's the president on this topic. >> i'm thinking about muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously. and some others and some folks that having sentences that aren't there. but i am thinking about muhammad ali. >> what will it take for you to fire -- >> we're doing recommendations right now on frankly we're doing recommendations on muhammad ali. >> here's the thing, the supreme court overturned that conviction against ali in '71. the family lawyer said as much in a statement released to the president "we appreciate president trump's sentiment but a pardon is unnecessary. the u.s. supreme court overturned the conviction of ali in a unanimous decision in 1971.
there is no conviction for which a pardon is needed." >> what i would like to understand about this is not just why he's thinking about muhammad ali. >> you know why, he's popular. >> but here's the thing. he has a problem with current nfl players who are protesting violence against black men by taking a knee, not respecting according to president the anthem. but he doesn't -- but he's considering pardoning muhammad ali who didn't want to be his country for better or worse during the war. put those two thoughts together. >> i don't think he ever did -- i don't think ruch says let me see, am i being consistent. paul? >> if you pardon 50 people or talk about it every day, by the time you get around to pardoning paul manafort and roger stone, it won't be a big deal. sometimes you can do the right thing for the wrong reason and so this pardon of mrs. johnson
this weekend who had a crazy long sentence for a nonviolent drug crime, that was the right thing. >> he's setting up the standard. i do the right thing on pardons and keep doing it when it affects my case. up next, president trump's called mitt romney, a failure, poor and mocked the way romney walks. he says he walks like a penguin. now that he's predicting trump will win in 2020, trump loves him. that's how it works. that's ahead. this is "hardball" where the action is. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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giuliani. and let me put it very plainly. if we republicans choose donald trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished. his domestic policies would lead to recession. his foreign policies would make america and the world less safe. he has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president, and his personal qualities would mean that america would cease to be a shining city on a hill. >> i don't know what to make of that. that was mitt romney warning americans in 2016 of the dangers of electing donald trump president but now in the midst of his utah senate race where he needs republicans romney's changed his colors according to politico he told a group of republican donors last night that "i think president trump will be renominated by our party, my party easily and i think he'll be re-elected
solidly. i think not just because of the strong economy and because people are increasingly seeing rising wages but also true because i think our democrat friends are likely to nominate someone out of the mainstream of american thought." here's how trump responded to that little joy this morning. >> well, we're doing well. mitt's a straight shooter. whether people love him or don't. >> you called him a con man. >> he's a straight shooter. that's very nice things to say. that's good. >> i'm joined by dana milbank. a little shot right there. there he was at the university of utah saying how awful this guy is and here he is lavishing praise upon him. >> i think the problem is mitt romney is a principled man trapped in the body of a very timid politician. he's got a primary june 26th. he wasn't expectsing to have a primary but he's got an opponent
hugging trump and surgically attaching himself to trump. he's way ahead in the polls, you should win it but he's so timid he doesn't want to take chances. he saw what happened to martha roby in alabama this week. >> i had hopes for him a few weeks ago. he said that he would be -- sought of take on the role john mccain has been playing being the leader of the reasonable republican party against trump. look like he's not ready for the role yet. >> i believe i used the word savior. >> we've both been flummoxed by this guy. >> romney said today, that doesn't mean what he's going to say tomorrow. i suspect when the primary is in his rearview mirror he'll go back to the hinckley institute that trump and romney have frequently traded insults in the past. these are real personal things, not political lines. these are personal. let's watch him. >> there's plent plenty of evidence that plef trump is a con man, a fake. he's playing the members of the american public for suckers.
he gets a free ride to the white house and all we get is a lousy hat. >> plit is a failed candidate. he failed. he failed who areally. that was a race that should have been won. i don't know what happened to him. >> creates scapegoats of muslims and mexican immigrants. he calls for the use of torture. this is the very brand offing ander that has led other nations into the abyss. >> poor mitt romney. poor mitt. i have a sore that's worth more money than is he. >> donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> and he walks like a penguin onto the stage. like a penguin. >> i don't know what to say. i mean it's funny because i've never heard a politics say another guy walks like a penguin even if he does. >> he does kind of like walk like a penguin. >> charlie chaplin walked like a
penguin. one guy calls him a crook. now they're buddies again. >> look, romney shot at trump and missed and now he doesn't have the power in this relationship. trump has a lot of power with one treat he can make mitt romney's life miserable. >> everybody fegs six years ago, 201312 romney goes out and kowtows to trump in vegas. remember that scene? no, this is the reality of politics now with these two guys. >> of course. romney in the first place was sort of the original flip-flopper before the situation, but you have to understand the stranglehold donald trump has over republicans right now. you're with him or you're out of there like bob corker and jeff flake. >> romney has a pattern of using trump when he needs politically. here's trump endorsing romney in 2012. i was talking about this. >> it's my honor, real honor and privileging to endorse mitt romney, governor romney? go out and get them.
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and now russia is not in it. now, i love our country. i have been russia's worst nightmare. hillary got in, i think putin is probably going man, i wish hillary won because you see what i do. >> wow. his most recent embrace of russian interests obviously suggests otherwise. let's bring in the lb roundtable, geoff bennett, shannon pettypiece for bloomberg and jeremy peters reporter for "the new york times" and contributor. explain, why is he so russia's man up in quebec today? he's carrying their water again even though everybody's watching him carrying their water. >> it's a huge concession to russia absent any sort of reciprocity. the one thing we know it has been putin's goal for decades to drive a wedge between the u.s. and allies. whether by design or by accident, the president is bringing that into fruition. it's not as if he hasn't been warned. when he floated in idea of a summit between him and putin,
there are people in the white house who warned him against it, and yet the president has this is warm embrace of vladimir putin. >> how can you be head of the free world if nobody's following you? >> he seems to like his adversaries more than his friends. he has been told by the national security and foreign policy establishment in his own administration do not do a summit in austria with putin. he does it anyway. his lawyers warn him, do not do an interview with mueller. he wants to anyway. >> says that. >> he's meeting with the north koreans to see the handshake and that warmth between him and north korean delegation. is he closer appearing to his adversaries than allies at this point. >> either he's dealing with russia in plain sight and he dealt with them during the election and they did stuff for him, gave him all the dirt on hillary and all that stuff. now he's paying it back so openly. what's going on. >> >> i think it's much more base than that. he's acting out. he's doing exactly what everyone
is telling him not to do because they're telling him not to do it. we've seen this with him time and time again. the whole charlottesville eruption both sides are very fine people, that ultimately had more to do with people saying, trump won't condemn these folks. >> was he trying to get people to attack him because that helps him politically when the media attacks him, when normal people attack him as abnormal, he seems to benefit. >> that's certainly the case. this whole g-7 issue be a symptom of the larger issue here which is the u.s. realignment to allies. the west has been imploring the president to stay in the iran deal, to stay in the climate accord. >> these people -- look, macron is a popular figure in this country and justin trudeau is. maybe they're young attractstive -- >> i think they like putin for being strong and standing up to -- i think they might like
putin better. >> health karat home matters to more voters than a lot of this stuff. jeremy what, do you think about the fact that our polling is showing among the issues vote ares are cite, they side obamacare as their core issue. >> that's going to change. >> it's not a huge lead. it is number one. >> it's number one and number one is always economy and jobs. always. i think this is. >> that isn't economy and jobs. it's health care into it is but that's related to economy and jobs, too. i don't think that this election is going to be lit guyed over obama care. i really don't. i think it's going to be driven over impulses of -- are you satisfied with the direction of this country or you are not? health care plays into that, of course, but it's ultimately going to be about what do you want to do. >> do you want a change in november after this or do you think we're just fine. >> we worked for large organizations that give you health care as part of your package. people that don't have it, it would seem to be very important. >> what's the republicans' plan
to fix it? the problem is the parties aren't talking about issues right now. they're not. they're talking whether or not donald trump is the worst president in history or whether or not he's the greatest president in history. >> i was going to say i covered health care for ten years. every two years everyone told me this is the health care election. the one time it was it was about getting rid of health care and blocking people from having health care. so despite the fact that health care of is eating peopling people's paychecks, it is complicated. >> despite it's the top of our issue list in our polling, on thursday the justice department told a fer government it considers key provisions of obamacare unconstitutional and the justice department would no longer defend core provisions of the act that protect consumers with pre-existing conditions. people do care about being able to buy health care even though they've got health problems. >> that's right. >> real people. >> republicans are attacking the
most popular part of the affordable care act which is there prohibition against targeting people with pre-exi pre-existing conditions. in covering more trump rallies across the country, talking to trump supporters the thing they say they care about the most is health care. >> how are they going to get from him. >> democrats think this is a winning issue. chuck schumer said thael they'll spend august on health care. >> we'll see. >> he's not calling the shots in the senate. finally the scandals around administrator scott pruitt keep piling up. among the ones just this week, ordering a staffer to get a used mattress from a trump hotel. trying to get a chick-fil-a franchise for his wife, having his security detail fetch his favorite moisturizing lotion. despite all that, president trump still a fan at least for now. >> scott pru sit doing a great job within the walls of the epa. we're setting records outside he's being attacked viciously by the president. and i'm not saying that he's
blameless, but we'll see what happens. >> i'm not saying he's blameless. he's doing a good job inside that building but he's ordering his moisturizer inside that building. the guy has got radio activity all around him. >> absolutely. and you know, if this were a different situation with fewer cabinet defections and firings and exits you would probably see pruitt gone. what's going on the key words that trump said right there, were that he is being attacked by the press. that is what trump is responding to. trump just liking with roy moore in alabama, the reason that trump supported roy moore wasn't because he thought he would and a great senator. he identified with persecution that he believed roy moore was suffering. he sees a fellow persecuted soul in scott pru night here's the thing, two months ago, white house officials would say if there's one more controversy, that's the end of the line for scott pruitt. that was six or seven scandals
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trump/mueller interview watch for months now it seems. i just talked to giuliani last night. he said he is leaning pretty far against doing an interview at this point. they're preparing for a subpoena fight. that could be our next show at the supreme court. >> so the trump pardons that he keeps issuing and floating today it was muhammad ali, there is a certain method to that even though it seems a little bit crazy. he's trying to rile up black voters because he knows in tern states like missouri, claire mccaskill a democrat is not popular at all with black votes are. he's doing what he does best, trolling. > kim kardashian was an example he admitted. >> thank you geoff bennett, shannon pettypiece. jeremy peters. let me finish tonight with trump watch. it will be interesting for him, too. you're watching "hardball."
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trump watch friday, june 8th, 2018. i wish our president godspeed on his way to singapore along with a warning. north korea does not want what we want. they want south korea. have wanted it since they invaded and nearly overrun that country in june of 1950. to reach that goal going forward, they want the united states to end its strategic alliance with the south removing our 32,000 troops from the 38th parallel. the president should not be taken in by kim jong-un's talk of writing a peace treaty between north and south korea.
it will have one purpose to remove the justification for our keeping the troops in the way of another invasion from the north. the danger is that the president will agree to removing our troops in exchange for a promise from north korea to kill its nuclear weapons program. such a promise is worthless. the only real step by the north would be to declare the number of weapons they have and stay where they are and allow them to be inspected. reagan said trust but verify. without verification, there's flow reason to believe a word kim jong-un says. a final warning. we need to be specific what we agree to do. if we agree to denuclearize the entire peninsula, we need to specify that does not mean removing our troops and ending our alliance with south korea. we remove our weapons from south korea under the first president bush. it's time for kim jong-un to do the same with his weapons under president trump. what matters is not the smiles or words of next week or the cheerfulness of the occasion, it's the reality that arises
from it. will we be safer or not? we've had munich,ity ta, let's not let singapore join that list. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> why are we having a meeting without russia being in the meeting? >> the president stumps for the kremlin. >> russia should be in this meeting. > as the man who ran his campaign is indicted for conspiring with a suspected russian agent. >> but that's what he said -- i -- that it's what i said. >> tonight what we know about the new charges from the special counsel. >> will you pardon paul manafort? >> and senator chris murphy on president's attack on western alliances, plus how trump world is using the arrest of a senate intel staffer to undermine robert mueller. >> happened last night. it could be a terrific thing. >> and how the latest trump sneak attack on obamacare doubles a