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>> that's tonight's last word. president trump is going to singapore this weekend where he will meet the north korean dictator, kim jong-un, early next week. you can learn everything you've early next week. you can learn anything you've ever wanted to know about the north korea ab dictator, "head liners: kim jong un" airs. up next, "the 11th hour" with brian williams. >> tonight there are new charges for paul manafort as robert mueller alleges obstruction of justice, false statements and conspiracy against the united states. plus, you don't see this every day. our president with a straight face making an argument for russia joining the g7 after russia hacked our presidential election. as one person says of this moment right now, "this is not a
drill". and the president and the north korean dictator will meet in singapore. good evening, day 505 of the trump administration and special council robert mueller has filed new charges against the former trump campaign chairman. it is even more clear tonight that paul manafort is in a world of trouble. earlier today manafort was indicted on charges of on vuks of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice for allegedly trying to tamper with witnesses in his case. as we reported, mueller's team is seeking to be manafort's bail revised or taken away skpierl over he's allegations. there was a response saying the accusations of attempted witness tampering are based on the thinnest of evidence. it will be june 15 before he'll
know whether he'll head immediately to jail. manafort arson longtime associate konstantin kilimnick. around april of this year, the defendants and kilimnick knowingly and intentionally cop spider to per wait another person to nunes, delay and prevent testimony. a source familiar with the case called the indictment brutal for manafort. paul's problem is he doesn't have anything to trait. cooperating isn't an option because he didn't really collude with the russians. paul manafort's team had no comment but earlier, a spokesperson said he's president in and nothing about the
allegations changes his defense. ken vogel over at the new york times reports that manafort's associate, this konstantin kilimnick has studied at the ministry of defense in mid-atlantic. he worked as a translator for him and became a more integral member of mr. manafort's team. well, early today former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall spoke to ari melber about this kilimnick's possible ties to russian intelligence agencies. >> he was working in ukrainian, but he's a russian national working in ukraine. the world of intelligence service it is jimmy is murky and to say hoe worked for the svr or gru, i don't know that for sure.
>> right. >> but from my experience, would he have relationships that those kinds of organizations? my answer would be, probably yes. >> meanwhile on his way to the g7 summit in canada earlier today president trump spoke about a whole host of issues from porn stars to his upcoming summit with kim jong un. he also discussed his pardons and the russia investigation. >> do you believe that you are above the law? >> no, no, no. i'm not above the law. i never ever want anybody to be above the law. i think you see the way i'm using pardons and yes i have an absolute right to pardon myself but i'll never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong and everybody knows it. there's been no collusion, it's no obstruction. it's a made-up fantasy, a witch hint. i haven't even thought about it.
i haven't even thought -- i haven't thought about any of it. it certainly is far too early to be thinking about that. they vice president been convicted of anything. there's nothing to pardon. i'd far too early -- it is far too early to be thinking about it. . >> as the president and rudy guiliani continue to paint the russia investigation as a witch hunt and a hoax, phillip bump of the washington post points out that today's news brings the investigation by mueller to a total of 20 individuals and three businesses that have either been indicted or admitted guilt in 75 charges filed by the-year-old probe. one third of the counts included in mueller's indictments, 25 of them target manafort. let's bring in our panel tonight. josh ger steen for politico, jeremy bash, norm and john wine
banks, veteran attorney. welcome to you all. josh, i want to begin with you. because you were present or part of this, even before a point when you knew you were witnessing. fells what you saw. jiefs at the federal courthouse and there was considerable more activity than usual regarding the mueller team. we saw the lead prosecutor on the case and one of mueller's top deputies come and go from the courthouse. kyle freeney and several fbi agents, there were snls with them going back and forth into the clerk's office that perhaps the grand jury was preparing to return an indictment and by the middle of the afternoon, there was a post that an indictment had been handed up, although it was not immediately clear who
was being indicted or why, it seems like the possibility of the third indictment total in washington, d.c. given the very serious tampering allegations that mueller leveled earlier in the week. >> an indictment means 23 members of a grand jury have found reasonable cause that a crime might have been committed. and jeremy bash, the presence of this russian in today's document, the presence of this russian perhaps in our society, how was today different? what just happened in this case? >> it's the first time that the mueller special counsel team has drawn a link between chairman paul maup fort and an official with ties to the russian government. there are other russians who have been indicted by the special council but here to for we do not have one with specific ties to russia. this one, kilimnick was a
lipping wisconsin doing pro-russian propaganda in the ukraine for the yanacovic team. actually having no ties to the russian government, but doing their bidding. people don't believe that. they believe he has a russian lexus. >> what is it alleged that he was doing in our country, especially in and around our presidential election? >> well, if there is an effort by manafort and a russian government official, to advance pro-russian propaganda to advance the view of policy and to inject themselves into applicatio politics, that's what they were doing in the 2015 election. it shows a level of
sophistication in doing exactly that. that's a possibility that's exactly what they were doing during the 2016 election. >> so there's a chaps that this paul manafort, american citizen, was working during a presidential campaign. how was the screw further turned on manafort today and what are your remaining questions about this case? >> i have very few remaining questions. it's just question of how soon he'll end up in jail. these are serious charges and are grounds for row volcanoing his bail and putting him in jail. this isn't the first time he's violated his conditions. he wrote an op ed that he wasn't supposed to have written but he stayed free after that. this is the second time. the indictment had some very specific pieces of information, texts that were written and
exchanged and a phone call that showed they really were trying to hide the fact that they were colluding in america to influence policy toward russia and the ukraine. >> these charges are heavy federal time. some of these are 20 years each. if he gets nicked by a portion of these, he dies in prison. >> well, on the indictment even before today, he would have had a life's sentence if you add up all the charges currently pending. if he's convicted on the substantive charges, without having tampering with witnesses, which is one of the most serious things to be concerned about is when people try to change the testimony of witnesses. >> josh, what do we make of manforlt's team response tonight? we'll remind everybody it gets complicated. they were responding to this threat to revoke his bail to
just bring him in and that's his last day of freedom is some day next week. >> yeah. it was a pretty interesting response to those claims that were leveled earlier this week. essentially, the defense is saying there's not much to see here, maybe there were a couple of text messages reaching out to some former associates. they say there was never any warning by a judge or probation officer by manfort that he could not directly contact witnesses with in the case. they look at this sort of witness tampering as a separate ibd pent crime. there's some pushback where the manafort team starts to lay out their own narrative. they chamber that they were working against the russians during this russian-influenced campaign years ago. they said the main goal was getting russia into the european
union. clearly that's an idea that all these ideas bring about some grand scheme with milwaukee. -- moscow. >> now the whole world is pondering why paul manafort hasn't flipped. we heard the president talk about pardons. i heard an attorney on this network early today speculate about what the president's doing with talk of muhammad ali and others, normalizing handing out pardons. so that when it comes down to it, it won't seem that dramatic if a manafort is pardoned. could there be any truth that? >> there absolutely can be. i believed from his first pardon of joe arpaio that the president was trying to send messages, don't cooperate, you can
obstruct justice, you can be in contempt of court, i have your back, don't worried about it. the problem is a hardened fifth amendment witness -- it's not necessarily in the president's best interest to pardon people because them they can testify against him. so we have to assume that paul manafort was there long enough to know enough to be dangerous to him, so it may not help to pardon paul manafort. >> jeremy, you get the big wrap-up question. how did our understanding of this case advance today and, part two, what in your view should we not lose sight of right here an now? >> i don't think we should lose sight of the fact that there's a russian government official indicted by the special council for colluding with the chairman of the trump campaign to influence american and european politics.
that's effectually what council mueller is investigating. if you focus on the big picture it shows a clear conspiracy so under mine our politics. >> our thanks to joe who is here to graduate. did on you. appreciate all of you being part of our discussion friday night. coming up, president trump thinks the g7 should really go back to being the g 8 and it's the nation that hacked our presidential election that he feels should be added to the list of nations. remember the man who called himself a cook but became one of the great storytellers of his time? celebrating the life and death of anthony bourdain all a part of our friday night.
. has agreed to cut all tariffs and all trade barriers between canada and the united states, so i'm very happy. >> nafta's in good shape. >> we are actually working on it. we are actually working on cutting tariffs and making it fair for both countries. we've made a lot of progress. we'll see how it works out but we've made a lot of progress. [ overlapping speakers ] >> he's happy. >> perhaps an otherwise attempt at levity at this meeting. remember, president trump landed in canada at this summit with a looming trade war of his open making an having criticized our
close allies, at least, and you won't hear this often, the president of the united states arguing on behalf of russia and again with a straight face, the g7 used to be the g 8 before russia was kicked out for invading ukraine. the president said today he'd like to see russia back in. >> i would recommend -- and it's up to them -- but russia should be in the meeting. it should be a part of it. you know, whether you like it or not -- and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run and in the g7, which used on the the g 8, they threw russia out. they should let russia come back in. we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> the effort to kiblg russia out of the gnks 8 was -- this is the same russia that hacked our
presidential election. susan glasser ray lays out the potential ramifications of trump's actions under the new yorker. she writes "as trump's dramatic moves have played out this spring and hardened into a presidential narrative at the hand of free riding allies, sister government officials and in washington have told me they worry that trump may be a greater immediate threat to the alliance than even great power rivals such as russia and china. here with us, susan glasser and jonathan allen at quebec city covering this summit. susan, when i heard what you said at 4:00 on this network it
stopped me in my tracks. you said this is not a drill. tell the folks what you mean. >> well, you know, for a year and a half we have been wondering with trepidation what's going to happen with president trump and the rest of the world. a lot of chest beating about the death of the liberal international order. what does that mean? will we recognize it when it actually happened? in my view, what's happened of the past few weeks and in particular the past few days looked pretty much like the death of the international liberal order. the thing about russia rejoining the g7, donald trump is not subscribing to the basic tenets that brought the world eats leading democracies together. it's not a club that anyone thinks vunlt should join. but donald trump said the world should be organized in a different way than it is right now and rather that our alliance
with europe we should have a partnership of cold-eyed realists. china and russia and the united states should run the world. it's just a flabbergasting day. i know we get lost in details and kim kardashian and everything but this is a big deal. >> do you put this down adds that kind of trumpian method of overtime owning the worst possible thing he could say and saying enough times to normalize it? >> i think so. the rest of the world hasn't normalized trump in the way we have. we've become dessens tiesed to it. even talking with officials, leaders in other countries, you realize, they're not dessens tiesed to this. when donald trump hate tweets at our allies and is attacking the president of france and the prime minister of canada hours
before the g7 summit, the rest of the world is not used to that. this is not normal behavior by the president of the united states. and what's crazy to me is we've all accepted it as normal behavior. our partners and allies, they haven't. this is shocking stuff. >> jonathan, you're up there among our neighbors to the north, at least they were until we angered them recently. what has the reception been like? that family photo was the most uncomfortable photo i've watched get taken. >> brian, they're still our neighbors, whether or not they're our friends and i think what's clear here is that it's becoming murkier as to who an american adversary is and who an american friend is. the president has slapped our allies with tariffs. he's now said that he wants to bring russia back into the community of nations, the g 8, and there's a hot of confusion
about both things. certainly people here i think are focused mostly on trade issues. they're very upset with where the president is. but to susan's point before, i spoke to a national security council that said they were not planned. i spoke to another national security representative in trump administration, what's this about what he said? and the response was probably just about the way everyone else responded to it. i think this was a surprise today to a lot of people and certainly shocking. one other thing i think was interesting because we've seen the united states so isolated that people are sort of referring to this conference somewhat jokingly as a g 6 plus one with america being the plus one. you saw kante say he would
support russia joining the g7 again. >> he leaves for singapore, and oh look at the time, the event his missing is about climate change, correct? >> he is. the president came lead to this meeting. he's leaving early. he insulted the hosts and several other of the countries through the week, increasingly angry rhetoric. we got some photo ops and some niceties today but i don't think anybody's moved on their positions. what you have is a divided g7. i spoke to a national security official in several administrati administrations, both republican and democrat and said vladimir putin and the kremlin are sitting back now very happy pause the president has, in his word, provided another opportunity to exploit divisions that now in kpits in these g7 kansas city royals. >> susan, you and i remember there were different strategies
toward different nations in europe. did you think you'd live to see a day when eu member nations now have to have a "how to handle the united states" astrodome? >> brian, that's right. i reported in my piece that germany embarked upon this effort to come up with an america strategy in the wake of president trump's up august race. it's hitting at the core of our allies and partners in a way that they never imagined. many of them use the analogy with me of a dysfunctional family. one german official said to me as if your father didn't love you anymore and may even beat you. this is pretty profound stuff. we treat it sometimes as a sk s circus. >> we hope our viewers read the piece you've written in the new yorker. susan glasser, jonathan allen,
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. an hour late president trump will be leaving the summit early to fly ahead to sipping pour for his meeting with the northern dictator. trump said yesterday he didn't need to people much, that attitude is more important. he followed that up with these remarks today. >> were you serious about really not needing to prepare for the summit sh. >> i didn't say that. i said i've be preparing all my life. i always believe in preparation, but i've be preparing all my life. you know, these one-week preparations, they don't work. just ask hillary and what happened to her in the debate. >> here to talk about this is a former senior analyst at the cia and was in charge of that region while on the white house national security council. also with us, retired four star
retired general barry mccaffrey. his global portfolio and it is vaths, includes the crane peninsula as well. sue, i'd like to begin with you here in new york. what -- i know you'll be part of our coverage monday, but what will you be watching for? what should our viewers be watching for when these two emerge? >> the first optics is going to be good because they're vested in having good optics. right now, there are plenty for a second dap if the first day goes well. honestly, after this meeting we've got to have more than a broad joint station, something about north korea being committed to denukization. dismantlement of their nuclear program and produce some sort of time line that korea give a time
line that says we're going to move towards verification and implementation. outside of that, if just a joint broad statement after two days of meeting, i don't think that's success. >> general mccaffrey, you are a warrior, you spent most of your adult life in uniform. when you hear susan glasser say this is not a drill and talk the way she is talking, she doesn't toss language around casualliant the post world war ii alliance on this week when we're marking yet another d-day anniversary, how do you react to that. >> well, i think it's appalling, to be blunt. theis international alliances that have sustained us both economically and national security are now being called
into question. particularly with the russians, it's so bizarre. mr. putin is running a clubaccra si. nobody cares anything about russia except for their nuclear weapons and their oil and natural gas. their economy is less than that of italy. what the president is up to is beyond most of us, who have watched this situation over the last several decades. >> i will only add mr. ovechkin of the capitals had a good week, the great number 8 on the ice. so general, the president likes to complain that no one dealt with the korea issue before him. the truth probably is that because a bunch of presidents has dealt with it, that has kept the peace on the peninsula. what will you be watching for as we get under way on monday. >> by the way, i think you made
an extremely important point. an ally, with a massive well-equipped and trained military force and the japanese are our allies in the region. poor north korea represent -- these are bad people exploiting the north korean population. they're in penury. they're not military but they have icbms who can reachous. but now we've got to try and get them to reduce the military tension on the pens ha. the north koreans want the u.s. armed forces out of the region. they want to be accepted as a nuclear power and they need the economic constraints lifted. if mr. trump thinks it's just altitude, then we're about to get greater risk in the korean peninsula than we had before. >> sue, that means that across
this country there are 38,000 families who have at least one loved one on that peninsula. i want to show you some measure of the popularity of kim kim. we have new abc news/wall street journal polling numbers. let's put him as unpopular in this country. how do you think he is preparing for this meeting with donald trump? >> well, first of all, north cranes have been preparing for after a century, i would say. kim kim is probably prepared for all kinds of scenarios and he's hundred percent focussed on the u.s. obviously, we focus -- we have million and a half issues distracting us and president trump doesn't feel like he needs to be prepared or read the briefing book that i'm sure national security staff prepared for him. kim k
he thinks he's coming into this meeting from a position of strength because he has reached certain capability in his nuclear missile program and he's trying to see what he can get out of the united states. i hope he reads the briefing book on his way to singapore and think about this. >> barry mccaffrey, even at a car dealership, you can say be prepared to walk away. do you think the president at the end of the day is prepared to walk away? >> we're about to find out. i think going into the negotiations he's played an unusual set of cards, revealing, i think most of us would agree, a predisposition to not demanding immediate irreversible verifiable denuclearization, not demanding a time line, a shortened time line, so i think we ought you to be very cautious an this. the key to north korea is china and unified allies in south
korea, australia and japan. i think the president actually in a raw military power has the upper happened. i hope he understands that going into the negotiations. >> well put. two of the great thinkers of this era. thanks for joining us. coming up for us, the man in the shadow of the president si might be just exactly where he wants to be. more on that when we continue.
bottle of water on the floor and vice president pence decided to do the same thing. you may see it in a new patriotism on a new book about our current president and vice president the write writes -- well, journalist and arthur kate anderson brouwer is with us tonight. her most recent book just out is called "first in line --
presidents, vice presidents and the pursuit of power." welcome. this is full of great stories that people perhaps need a refresher on. i hope it's successful. start with our current president and the relationship with the vice president and even parts of it that involve the first lady and mrs. pence. >> i interviewed every former vice president for this book. >> with one exception. >> with one exception. who i was on the verge of interviewing. i was told there's nothing in it for them to talk about this. if pence looks really good, trump will be upset. if pence looks really bad, it won't help him in 2024, because he is going to run. somebody said donald trump reminds me of our father.
their father was a difficult personality. he would make six children stand when an adult entered the room, beat them with a belt, a difficult guy. so there's something there that i think pence is used to being in the situation, not talking, being very careful with what he says. he never disagrees with trump, ever. he knows he could have lost govern in indiana. the only reason he's where he is is because of donald trump. >> i found a fascinating passage, you wrote it, about the politician pence unified on the in indiana. he was a lot of things. he was a radio talk show host. this shows his kind of elasticity in the republican party. you write -- i think people will be interested to hear this --
you do on to write -- so we've become used to certain stories about mike pence. mike pence, the tough as nails politician is a story line you bring out in this book that is not in the public realm. >> ya. he's very, very ambitious and he will do almost anything to get to the top. i interviewed one of his bosses
and he described him as rush limbaugh on decaf at the time. he said he's never met a more directble talent. he asked that pence not be too long winded. the very next day pence was spot on perfect. he is somebody who is always anling. he beat phil sharp many this contentious election. pence wrote an op about it. apologizing for being a negative campaigner. phil sharp said i never got a call from him. he's midwest nice. he was nice to his face but said all sorts of nasty things behind his back and never permanently apologized to him for that race. i think that says a lot about him. he has she's chaperon lunches but with vice president pence
and president trump they have their chief of staffs sit in, to mind the conversation. al gore said that was pressurci time with the president, i could talk to him about issues i cared about. it seems odd their relationship seems to need to be managed this way. >> there are stories in this book about melania's role in the pence selection. stories about people like paul agnew. walter mon dame and a human role he played in the history of the modern vice presidency. all part of kate brouwer's new book "first in line." thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> coming up, the wide ranging comments of our president on the
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together, we're building a better california. . welcome back. as we mentioned yerld president trump spoke to reporters today on the way to that summit in canada about the technical term is "a whole bunch of issues," including in no particular order, north korea summit, rudy guiliani, dennis rodman, pardons, scott pruitt, his own wife, russia, porn stars, and marijuana, to name a few. so in case you missed it, here's a quick recap of just some of his remarks. >> rudy is great but rudy is rudy. rudy is doing a very good job, actually. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> he said what? >> he said being a porn star was not respectable work. >> i'm not going to necessarily
disagree with that. scott pruitt is doing a great job within the walls of the e.p.a. we're setting records. outside he's being attacked viciously by the press. i'm not saying he's blameless, but we'll see what happens. >> was he invited to go to canada? >> no -- south korea? >> no. he wasn't. one thing talking about sports guys, the power to pardon is a beautiful thing. you got to get it right. you got to get the right people. i am looking at muhammad ali but those are the famous people. in one way it's easier and people find it fascinated but i want to do people that are unfairly treated like an alice where she comes out and -- >> we should say an attorney for the late muhammad ali had this
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him noticed, but his writing made him stand out. he was an elegant author who rhapsodizes about those in the trade. he was known to his friends as taupe and to the rest of us as the guy so many guys would like to be, either for an hour or a day. he seemed equal parts honest and gamed for anything. when he was eating, nothing was safe. he got as excited over a snail or a splout as he was a hand-rubbed side of beef. he ate anything and everything that was put in front of him, even if it was still moving, still fighting for its life. he dug into things on plate large enough to be considered pets. we watched him hang out with peasants and presidents. he made us want to ride that train in myanmar and kiss that
fish in newfoundland. he explained places like iran and gaza. no matter where he went he always knew a guy or a woman who was the very best local tour guide and like our favorite relatives he got hammered and high regularly and swore tlustily and often. he was a foodie who loved street food and was never above a waffle house frito pie. anthony bourdain's favorite book was "heart of darkness." he was a recovering heroin addict among other things. the man we were allowed to see on tv seemed to be a mix of fatalist and romantic, light and dark. in the end we know dark won. he took his own life while shooting a tv episode in france. he was 61 years old.
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