i think within the first minute i'll know. >> how? >> just my touch, my feel. that's what i do. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." the touch, the feel, the fabric of our lives, apparently that's all donald trump needs to figure out north korean dictator kim jong-un as they head into unprecedented nuclear talks on tuesday. not briefing books or studying the complex advertise of the korean peninsula, nope, just his touch, his feel. this is all fine. it follows an unforgettable performance by trump at the g7 summit in canada on saturday, where after showing up late and leaving early and insulting the canadian prime minister, we'll get to that later in the show, trump boarded air force one to get to where he really wanted to be, in singapore, away from america's closest allies and their disapproving looks and in close proximity to one of america's biggest adversaries.
trump landed in singapore early this morning ahead of talks that at times didn't even seem feasible giving the hot and cold tensions between kim jong-un and donald trump who trump use to deride as little rocket n. the two men advising trump ahead of tuesday's summit, mike pompeo and john bolton. bolton who's publicly advocated regime change in both north korea and iran. just weeks ago bolton jeopardize this very meeting after infuriating north korea with this comment. >> we're looking at the libya model of 2003-2004. we're also looking at what north korea itself has committed to previously. >> bolton will reportedly take a backseat at the summit as the administration attempts to soften the tone. even with help like that, trump still remains pretty optimistic ahead of tuesday's meeting. >> i really feel confident. i feel that kim jong-un wants to
do something great for himself, his family. he's got an opportunity the likes of which i think almost, if you look into history, very few people have ever had. he can take that nation with those great people and truly make it great so it's a one-time -- it's a one-time shot. >> so what could possibly go wrong? joining me now is author of the future's history and christine un, cofounder of the korean policy institute. maja, i have to come to you. one of our senior producers brought this up that, the question of what would happen if, in fact, you had a realignment of the world as we know it where we once had the nato alliance, that was built in no matter who the american president was, close alliance
with the western countries of nato, what if the president decided that's not what i want, if i'm going to realign with the russians of the world and the dutertes of the world and how would that look different? donald trump has insulted justin trudeau of canada and called him weak. he has already feuded over the course of time with president enrique pena nieto, malcolm turnbull, angela merkel, with the prime minister of mont negative groe and with justin trudeau of canada. in terms of who he's praised, he's praise the kim jong-un, xi jinping, rodrigo duterte, vladimir putin, conte and the
president of poland which is also moving in an antidemocratic direction. what does that mean if, in fact, we are looking at a realignment or are we? >> we've seen it. we've seen it over theast year and a half. i think that i would talk about it not as a realignment, i would talk about it as the united states basically pulling it out of the business of international politics. politics is figuring out how we inhas been bit the world together and donald trump ever since he became president has been pulling out of international treaties in this teenager sort of way. i am not interested in living together with the rest of you of the we always get the raw deal whether or not this is supported by facts, which it's not actually usually. we've been in this situation for a year and a half. what we have seen over the last couple of days is just the very, very public performance of it but this is something that's been under way. >> christine, donald trump takes
this, his new way of looking at the world, very transactional on who he thinks our enemies are, anybody he thinks is taking advantage of us, that the western allies have been mugging from us and stealing from us so we don't want to deal with them. there's so many opportunities we could make, north korea rich, that's how we can make it work. here's how donald trump preparing for this meeting with kim jong-un which is taking place on tuesday. this was trump on thursday. >> i think i'm very well prepared. i don't think i have to prepare very much. it's about attitude, it's about willingness to get things done. this question of preparation, it's a question of whether people want it to happen and we'll know that very quickly. >> if you have a guy that doesn't prepare and he has a feeling of who's on his team and who's not, who's taking advantage of us and who's not, he's carrying thato a meeting with someone that's very well prepared and who's already gotten what he wants.
he wants to be seen as the equal of the american president. he's already gotten that. how does this meeting shake out in your view? >> i think that donald trump has actually done a great thing for diplomacy by showing that it's not a concession by meeting with historic u.s. adversary. i think that is a significant departure forum for past presidents that haven't been willing to meet with a north korean leader and let's not forget that last year, when we were on the brink of a global nuclear war where up to 300,000 people, namely on the korean peninsula would be instantly killed if there were conventional war and so he has taken us -- he took us there but we're now at a historic moment where the longest standing u.s. conflict of 70 years, this is the korean peninsula that was divided by the united states and the former soviet union, where millions of families still
remain separated, while -- i obviously oppose most of what the trump administration is doing, i agree with masha that the u.s. is definitely going off course in terms of, you know, international diplomacy. this is a very good step in terms of what's good for the korean people and the united states and the point that he's made, that this could be a good thing for the north korean people. i absolutely agree that 70 years of isolation has not served to advance the human rights of the north korean people. what will is engagement, what will is diplomacy, what will is, you know, basically ending 70 years of hostile u.s. policy. >> let's tease out and to take christine's point. let's go back and look at the way that the bush administration talked about north korea and iran and iraq. here's george w. bush declaring an axis of evil in his state of
the union address. >> north korea is a regime armying with missiles of mass destruction while starving its citizens. iran aggressive pursues these weapons and exports terror while an unelected few repress the iranians people hope for freedom. iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward america and to support terror, states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. >> a year later we were inadvocating iraq and eventually you had a lot of same people threaten to go invade iran and make a lot of threatening noises with war of north korea as well. john bolton opposing the sunshine policy which was the previous attempt to try to mediate this 70-year-old war. the u.s. ally receives -- he actually criticized south korea, our allies at the time, the south korean president at the time who was the architect of
the shine policy and oppose it had and seemed to prefer war. that is one of the question here's, right? if the united states is breaking the western alliance, if we are isolating ourselves, if we are completely changing the nature of american leadership on the planet, but the people of the korean peninsula get peace out of it, how do you make the calculation of how much of this is, i don't know, worth doing and worth suffering as a former world power or a world power? >> excellent question, joy. i completely agree with masha's criticism and analysis of what's happening. trump is wrecking a western alliance that has stood for over 70 years and i also agree with christine, who's pointing out the opportunity we have. so this is the dilemma we have. can we separate our personal feelings about donald trump? i don't know about you, but i don't want to be touch and felt by donald trump in any way and
can we separate our disagreements with what he just did in quebec to what he might be doing in singapore? and i with christine share the optimism that we might at last end this conflict. you hear the way donald trump is talking about it. i hear from him that his interest in ending the korean war is as strong as his interest ineneding north korea's nuclear prm and you know what? by flipping the script, by putting the possibility of a peace treaty up front of the process, instead of having it dangle like a carrot at the end, he may have inadvertently stumbled on to a brilliant move. that may be the precondition that allows north korea to take the very risky step for them of getting rid of their nuclear weapons. lots of things could go wrong. there are many ways this could blow up particularly if john bolton reinserts himself in here. you are absolutely correct. it's been bolton that has
blocked the progress towards reaching agreements in the past. it's been the far right of the republican party that has blocked agreements in the past, but trump has done something amazing. he has the right wing of the republican party cheering him on. this might be his major accomplishment, this may be what allows america to come together and support an agreement with the last remaining communist dictator in the world. >> the same republican right excoriated president obama for even the idea of doing this exact same thing with iran, right, of trying to negotiate with iran and treating it as a semi-normal country. so that aside, the complete flip in ideology, you know, joseph stalin sat down with the -- was on the united states' side in world war ii. it isn't unprecedented that had sometimes a world leader who is in every other way objectionable can accomplish one thing that works. i guess i have to ask you the
same question because at the same time that, you know, a good outcome may come of it, and, by the way, that moon jae-in is the driving force here, the south korean president, let's not cut him out. there are other factors and the president of south korea is a huge factor in what's going on in the peninsula. that said, this is donald trump's -- this is who donald trump is in terms of going into this meeting. this is donald trump's indication of how he can tell when leaders are on or not. this is him talking about his interactions with the g7. >> a lot of these countries actually smile at me when i'm talking and the smile is, we couldn't believe we got away with it. that's the smile. so it's going to change. it's going to change. they have no choice. if it's not going to change, we're not going to trade with him. >> he's basically calling of us his previously presidents a sucker. and we know from report in
politico that both he and john bolton have decided they do not want to do high level planning. he wants to just go in and touch and feel. i don't know where you are on this spectrum of whether, even if he's stumbling around the dark but he finds the golden ticket, whether we praise that or whether or not we look at the bigger picture? john mccain is out there assuring allies but tweet that we are still apart of the west. >> i don't see how we're making sure -- can he stumble into a brilliant move or are we always finding it objectionable? no, he cannot stumble into a brilliant move but he can stumble into an effective gesture. it requires such complexity and verifications and requires long-term agreement which donald trump is incapable of and the people he has surrounded himself with is incapable. he wants to get the nobel prize
which is what's motivating him. it is not information or strategic planning or anything that would normally mivate a president in a situation like that and i can't even believe we're talking about it as though this were diplomacy. it is not. >> that's my question, christine. where do you find this confidence in donald trump? what has he done to show you that he is capable of doing the complex negotiations that we are looking at him attempting to do here? >> well, let's just be honest here as you pointed, joy, this is the masterful diplomacy of south korean president moon jae-in. as i noted before, this is a peace train that has already left the station. north and south korea have met numerous times. even though trump says this is a feeling that i'll have in the first minute, mike pompeo, the secretary of state has gone to north korea's met with kim jong-un twice, sung kim the
former ambassador from the obama administration has met with -- we know that moon jae-in has met with chairman kim many times and so we khat there have been several meetings and lots of preparation even though trump about trump himself said he's just going to feel this out. i think that -- that's the reality, is that the korean people have set this in motion and the united states must support it. there's 88% support in south korea for the pan mum jom declaration declaring an end to the war. cnn poll in may found that 77% of americans support this, so let's give it a chance. let's give peace a chance. >> joe, i wonder sometimes whether or not we and maybe in the press or just in the u.s. are falling into this default of
always attempting to assign to the american president responsibility for everything that goes on in the world when you see that donald trump clearly has said he isn't preparing for this meeting. he's trying to angle for a nobel prize. we set it aside to try to assign to him some brilliant back door plan to make this happen when, in fact, maybe the alchemical's razor, maybe the -- i wonder if that is just a default that americans have to try to assign to the american president responsibility and credit. >> we are fascinating by donald trump. we apparently can't get enough of him. it's bizarre, but i think you hit it, joy. i actually think that donald trump is the least important person at this summit. this is been an operation that has been guided by moon jae-in from the early stages. it was he who started the olympic diplomacy, the olympic
truce that made all this possible and by kim. this is been kim's plan for over five years when he laid out what his dual track was. first build up the nuclear force. he wanted the shield to protect but then to pivot to the economic development because he understands the long game here. he knows he has to have a revived economy in korea and all you need for donald trump to do is just nod and to approve the overall framework that the rest of these people can then implement. >> yeah. all he had to do was nod and approve and sign that g7 declaration. he didn't do that. >> and he's perfectly capable of wrecking whater the koreans have been able to do. >> yeah. >> we'll know in about 24 hours. >> thank you for the great discussion. up next, donald trump has figured out a way to take off even the canadians. he made the canadians angry. ♪[upbeat music]
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pulled the u.s. out of the g7 joint communique and called his canadian count part very dishonest and weak. trump was responding it seems to prime minister trudeau's love actually moment saturday afternoon as he promised to retaliate for trump's tariffs. >> it's kind of insulting. canadians are polite, we're reasonable but we also will not be pushed around. >> joining me now natasha bertrand and jason johnson and dana milbank of the "the washington post." thank you all for being here. frank, i'll start with you. the photo that has come to define everything that we understand about the g7 meeting is that classic picture of angela merkel sort of leaning over donald trump, i think we have it. there it is. that photo where it seems that the whole world is bearing down on donald trump and he's defiantly with his arms crossed, but the thing that will define this g7 summit, frank, is the president of the united states
pulling the u.s. out of the final communique, the final joint declaration and attacking one of our very closest allies, canada, calling its prime minister weak. what do you make of the last 24 hours? >> first, if these relationships are a ten, i'd hate to see what a four looks like. where i come from in a career leading counterintelligence for the u.s. government, joy, is i cringe at this. i cringe because i know that behind the scenes we have relationships at an intelligence level with all of these allies and i worry deeply about the impact of these tensions and the eroding of relationships at the leadership level on the level of national security. what do i mean by that? we essentially operate with our allies as one solid country of the we share intelligence. we don't spy on each other. and since the end of world war ii, we've decided that we have common interests, common friends
and common adversaries so when you see the president coming out asking for russia to rejoin the g7, when you see his confusing relationship toward putin, you have to wonder whether at some point our allies are going to say to our intelligence services, we're not sharing sensitive intel on russia or china with you because we no longer trust you. >> natasha, you have john bolton tweeting out that same photo that we just showed, the national security adviser now, a long time war hawk tweeting out and his caption for that photo was, just another g7 where other countries expect america to be their bank. the president made it clear today, no more. attacking our allies, sort of ridiculing them. how is that playing among republicans in washington because they've been awfully quiet other than john mccain tweeting out saying we're still with the west? >> and that will likely continue to be the case. time after time when the
president has up ended norms in terms of the united states' position in the international community, the republicans have been extremely silent even as people like john bolton and larry kudlow this morning have been piling on to one of our closest allies. one of the biggest mysteries about all of this is that, you know, russia can interfere in our elections, they can, you know -- they can work with, you know, allegedly work with the trump campaign to help them win, they can interfere in our democratic process and they are worthy of membership in the g8, president trump wants to make it to the g8. one of our allies, canada pushes back on things that the president has said in a press conference and suddenly the president thinks that, you know, that's worthy of pulling out all together of the communique and i think that larry kudlow especially said something very
revealing which is -- the president did not want to show weakness ahead of this north korea summit and in that sense, he said that this was all in large part due to the president not want to go appear weak on the international stage before this summit and that really is what it comes down to in large part is the president's ego. he felt as though the prime minister of canada was undermining him and before he met with the dictator kim jong-un, he wanted to look good. now he's considering putting an embassy in pyongyang and he's considering, you know -- he's thinking that russia deserves a seat at the table and all the while he's completely alienating some of our closest allies. if republicans don't step up soon it's going to be a problem. >> jason johnson, not wanting to appear weak to fighting with canada? you had republicans claiming that president obama made america look weak by negotiating really an historic deal with iran and suddenly now that the
president is considering putting an embassy in pyongyang, talking up kim jong-un, talking up the now president for life of china, this clip has been making the rounds again. it isn't new but a lot of people have been tweeting it out again this morning that donald trump not only wants russia back in and wants the g7 to be the g8 but has taken their side for quite a long time on the thing that got them kicked out, them seizing crimea. donald trump in 2016 said on this week with george stephanopoulos, the people of crimea would rather be with russia than where they were and you have to look at that also. he was clarifying what he said in a press conference. he would consider recognizing crimea as a part of russia and lifting the sanctions against russia for taking it. >> this is the thing, joy. we've all gone down this just
litany of incompetence and errors that this president and this administration has made at the g7. here's what concerns me most, this glib way that they say, well this will all be fine. we'll work it out. it's just another g7 thing. they all think this is going to be fine down the road and what they don't seem to realize is that every single one of these leaders has to go home to their country and every single one of these leaders now has to have a more emboldened and more anty american stance so they don't look weak in their own countries. the president of the united states simultaneously always sees himself as a victim but seems to perpetuate the kinds of conflicts that make other countries not work with us. that's one of the biggest problems we've got leaving the summit. if you assume the g7's a group project, this attitude that he has that i didn't like suzie over there so i'm out of the group project, what difference does it make if he's happen with trudeau. it's the g7. if the president said i didn't
want to sign the communique because it supported the paris treaty, but instead he turns it into a personal spit fight on the playground. >> donald trump acts as if these other world leaders don't have a public. that president enrique pena nieto could not have been bullied around. they just can't let trump punch them in the face and do tariffs and not do anything. at the same time, he doesn't. he literally does not take the same sort of tough guy stance ever with russia. it stands out -- i have to say in his dealings with these other countries. >> yeah, joy. trudeau was in some domestic trouble at home and this is going to be a huge boost for him. macron in france was getting a lot of grief for being soft on trump and now you see him literally leaving his thumb imprint on the president's hand.
so certainly there will be a backlash here as well there should be. think about the surreal situation of our president making nice with north korea and then having a war of words and setting off a trade war with of all countries, canada which has done nothing hostile to us in its history except for maybe justin bieber. at the same time you have dan coats overseeing intelligence saying just on friday that russia's goal is to interfere in the midterm elections and to split the western alliance that transatlantic alliance. what does donald trump do the next day, he does his best to split the atlantic by trying to inject russia back and make it a g8 again and creating all this division. this was a huge victory for vladimir putin this weekend. >> absolutely. last word to you natasha. any updates on why that might be because every one seems to have noticed that donald trump seems
to want to do whatever russia wants. >> that's the big question. no one seems to know why that is but i will say that one concern that i've been seeing is that trump won't want to blow up two summits in a row, so is that going to give kim jong-un more leverage as trump walks into this summit because he's going to want some kind of success and victory after he became, you know, the pariah in terms of our g7. is he going to walk into that meeting determined to make something happen and will that give kim jong-un the leverage he needs. >> thank you very much. coming up. students from parkland, florida will use their vacation to
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action. joining me now are two members for the march of our lives movement ryan deet and jacques lynn cornyn. ryan, did you just graduate? >> yes, i did just graduate, joy. >> congratulations. i know that jackie you're still a junior i think but congratulations on getting that cap and gown, young man. let's talk about you guys' summer project. this is exciting. this is my favorite thing. voting. so important. we already know that voter registrations in broward county, florida, where you guys live, spiked among young voters, voters 25 and under during the week of march for our lives against gun violence. how do you make that happen? >> simply, there's still people out there who are not registered to vote and if they want to have their voice heard and want to participate in our country and have a say in what we have to do to make the change, then
everybody is going to have to register to vote. >> ultimately we're making voting cool. >> go on. >> ultimately we're making voting cool and on every single stop we're going to whether it be aton hall or rally, we're going to be registering people to vote. we are going to be visiting the 27 congressional districts in florida and over 70 districts around the nation and making sure every single person that attends our events is registered to vote. >> jackie, you've already been -- we've already started to see younger people taking a greater interest in making change by voting, by registering and voting just in florida. new voter registrations among voters under 26 years old, we still have this challenge. i'll start with you. voter turnout in midterm
elections versus presidentials goes down any way of the it does go down particularly among younger people. give us the case that you're making when you're talking to your peers about why they should vote in midterms? >> well, midterm elections are ultimately just as important as presidential elections, even more so, because those -- the decisions that congress makes are ultimately what just runs this country and people need to understand and be informed of who those elected officials are, because far too often people don't even know their senators and that's a shame because these people run your lives every single day whether you know it or not and we didn't know it before our school got shot up and we don't want any other kid to have to go through what we are going through because these politicians aren't listening to their constituents. >> ryan, we've seen one of the things that you guys have already accomplished in march for our lives has gotten people
to really focus on the issue of gun violence in schools. you've been very smart about saying it's not just schools. the polling shows that people now in april of -- at least as of april, definitely feel it's more important to control gun violence. that's the chart on the right. more important than it is to do more to protect gun rights. so you've got people trending in your direction. traditionally younger voters focus on presidential. they get enamored or president obama and they're into that but when midterms come along, there's so many more people that younger people just get board of it and don't focus on it. is there a way you can translate the message you guys have had to get your peers to understand that voting for that congress person is the way to change this? >> simply, young people just really need to focus on what effects them and how they can be effected by the political
process. certain things like college payments, college loans and health care and legalization of various narcotics and drugs and things like that, just things that effect young people and really just lay in to their everyday lives, that if they could realize that they can make a difference on those fronts, then they'll look into the candidates that follow their viewpoints, their belief symptoms and then just really vote in everything that they need to make sure that they can live their lives. >> i have to let you two respond to betsy devos, the secretary of education. i wanted to give you guys a chance to respond to her. she was at a hearing and she was asked by senator patrick leahy of vermont whether or not her study of gun violence in schools will include guns. take a listen. >> will your commission look at the role of firearms as it relates to gun violence in our school. >> that is not part of the
commission's charge per se. >> i see. so you're studying gun violence but not concerning the role of guns. >> we're studying school safety and how we can ensure our students are safe at school. >> your reaction. >> ultimately, betsy devos needs to understand that there have been over 20 school shootings in 2018 alone and if our secretary of education fails to recognize the role that guns play in our schools, she doesn't represent the students of america. >> i lost all respect for ms. devos after she visited our school, after our tragedy. she came in one morning to secretly just lurk the halls. i had to film her going about this. he was whisper to staff members. she would sit down with grieving students when they were in a
private counseling session, fully breaking the privacy session they needed after they lost their friends. she couldn't even look at one of the leading causes of just death in schools which shouldn't be a classic thing in america. this shouldn't be a classic thing in the 21st century that we're talking about how many kids are dying in schools and how to stop it, let alone ignoring something as obvious as the gun. >> i have to say, i have to commend both of you. you're using part of your summer vacation to do good things and important things. if you guys ever run for office, i suspect that either of you, if you get elect today pretty much you want and you can do anything you want in your futures. thank you so much. coming up in our next hour, those kids are awesome. trump holds a press conference for the first time in over a year. some cash back cards send you on a journey
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experiences in my life. the challenge of having breast cancer and losing my son to a senseless act of gun violence. i will put georgia first and i will always look for common sense solutions by building bridges, not tearing people apart. >> lucy is hoping to win georgia's 6th congressional district in november. but first she faces a democratic runoff against kevin able next month. the shooting death of her teenage son by a man who complained that jordan and his friends' you music was too loud, as well as other senseless acts of gun violence since then, inspired her to run for the congressional seat. and joining me now is the candidate for the 6th congressional district. great to see you, lucy, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> so let's first congratulate you on advancing to the runoff. you won 36.3% of the vote to kevin abel's 30%.
there is the result. you have been inspired by death of your son, jordan davis, and there is an interview with mother jones in which you talk about the fact that you are running to make sure this never happens again. tell me how as a member of congress you would try to ensure that what happened to your son doesn't happen to other kids. >> well, joy, i am the face of gun violence, unnecessary gun violence. and that is my realty. i think that gives me a lot of credibility to really speak very concretely to this crisis. i think that it is outrageous to me that, you know, you would have state governments or the government overall just not really taking very seriously how important it is that we change this culture. and so it is a matter of me trying to build bridges in washington even with republicans and people that don't always necessarily agree with my standpoint. but being able to concrete these changes and some head way on
this issue to continue to save lives. >> and obviously you are in a state that is an open on carry state to the maximum. even conceal carry, a lot of bars in georgia which is pretty scary. among the things that are on your platform that we pulled from your platform, background checks for a firearm purchases, raising the minimum age to purchase a gun to 21, defeating conceal carry reciprocity, legislation to keep gun out of the hands of domestic violence and other criminals. we've seen in florida they admit that had they failed to do thousands and thousands and background checks because the administrator apparently couldn't get into the computer. even if we have stronger gun laws, how do we combat against people that just oppose the idea of them and not enforcing them? >> i think that was very reckless for that to happen because they just did not put gun safety first. and i think these kinds of things will continue to happen. but there again, it is about legislation. it is about putting people in place, our legislators in place
that have a very watchful eye over these kinds ever thinof th happening. this has to be their focus, not the only focus, but understanding how important it is that we are always keeping a watchful eye, putting in place bills and initiatives to prevent these kinds ever thiof things f happening. >> and improving gun laws is particularly important to democratic voters. only 49% of republicans saying it is important. and stacey abrams is running for governor. she is actually doing really well. does her race and the fact that you are both women of color, both african-american women, ga can her race help you? >> i'm absolutely sure of it. i think that, you know, actually georgia is trending democratic basically. we're really pretty much trending even if you look at my
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who are you with out of curiosity? >> cnn. >> i figured. fake news cnn. the worst. our farmers have been hurt. our workers have been hurt. our companies have moved out and moved to mexico and other countries including canada. now, we have going to fix that situation. and if it is not fixed, we're t going to deal with these countries. but the relationship that i've had is great. so you can tell that to your fake friends at cnn. >> wow. welcome back to "a.m. joy." for someone so obsessed with the media and seeing position on television, donald trump has all but abandoned the traditional press conference. sure we've seen him answer shouted questions before building marine one. despite his track record of alienating heads of state especially the ones who are
supposed to be our allies, we do see him in joint press conferences sharing the stage with a foreign counterpart. but a solo press conference, formal and in the books where the president of the united states steps up to the microphone and takes reporter's questions about any topic they choose, that has become rare. so rare in fact that trump's last press conference was almost 500 days ago on february 16, 2017. and then on saturday trump gave an impromptu press briefing in similar charlevoix canada beforg out early to meet kim jung-un in singapore. to be clear, this was his first solo press conference in nearly 500 days. and the very first question thrown at him by a member of the traveling press pool was not about russian collusion or missing immigrant children or his cabinet's many scandals over ethics and spending, no, it was about trump's feelings. >> we're about to embark on what
i may be the most important meeting in your life. what is in your gut, steel nerves our butterflies? >> i feel confident. i feel kim jung-un wants to do something great for his people. and he has that opportunity. >> joining me now is president and found of the media group. and also gabriel sherman. and dana milbank. and our national security analyst. and maria, i have to come to you. donald trump -- the media finally has him in front of them. they can ask anything they want. and first question goes right to how he feels. and there still does seem to be a difficulty in figuring out how do you deal with a president like this that is so atypical that is so abnormal in the way he behaves. i feel like a lot of it devolves back to let's treat him as some regular normal. >> and i want to talk about whether or not the united states and we are exceptional in a second, but the first thing,
joy, is that if we are to believe estimates from the harvard school of health, public health, more people potentially died in puerto rico than 9/11 and katrina combined. >> correct. >> i don't know, request questi a question about that. i don't know. if suburban and i mean middle americanquest a question about that. i don't know. if suburban and i mean middle american children were being -- toddlers were being held in cages, if they were ripped apart from suburban moms and put into cages, that indignation in the journalists would have been felt and that would have been the first question. so already it is just like how did it happen that our journalists, our colleagues are put into this situation and responding this way, which makes me think to the conversation that i had with a fellow journalist from npr who has covered regimes all over the world and she said i talk about this administration like i covered every other administration. so how do we talk about a
propagandist administration that deals in lies and that is authoritarian. how do we as journalists do that. and we don't as you know all the kaubl he cable heads don't get in a room. we need atlly and we should probably be looking to places like the country that i was born into journalists, to independent media producer, how do you handle dealing with an administration and government that perpetually lies bases on propaganda. and to do that, we as a country have to accept that this is not normal and we can't play by the same rules. >> and not just not normal, but not normal for the united states. but to your point, that maybe we need to start thinking about how is due ttert ecovduterte covere. we are sort of trying to treat trump as the other 44 american presidents rather than thinking about the fact that in many ways
he sort of styled himself more like sort of foreign heads of state that we're used to covering from the outside looking in. >> one of the things that i was struck by, you have a president who goes abroad, granted canada is one of our closest allies if not the closest, but he steps on all of the traditions and conventions that made us such a special country mainly our free press. you saw in those comments about cnn, you can critique their reporting if you want, but to dismiss them as fake out of hand and to delegitimize them on the world stage to me as a journalist and reporter it is incredibly corrosive. and to send the message that it sends to other regimes where journalists are in prisons, sometimes murdered, this is a president who has contempt for the media and he sends that message to the world. >> and i think that is an important point. because what you then have is he is now before he's even attempted to answer the cnn reporter's question, he has dismissed them as de facto illegitimate. so that is a tactic that you do see in authoritarian regimes.
i don't have to deal with your question because of the outlet that you come from. and so then you are also sending a message to other media outlets that there is a way i'm going to deal with you if you are not nice to me. these are not the ways american presidents normally behave. >> it is not. and we've seen strong men around the world use the fake news argument that donald trump has made. and you'd suggested maybe we should see how the media deal with erdogan in turkey. well, they don't really deal with him, he throws the media in jail there. so we are not used to dealing with somebody along these lines. i think if you look at that news conference there, you could say the press was fairlies do stil t overall i don't think they have been in donald trump's presence. what the media seemed to be trying to do and i've talked to white house reporters who ask these questions in the pools and their idea is that you get the best result out of donald trump
in these news conferences if you come in with an open-ended thing and just let him talk. but i certainly agree with the point that, yeah, there are a lot of important topics and i think people may have been caught off guard by a full fledge news conference there when directing questions almost solely on trade and singapore rather than all these other calamitous things going on. >> and to be fair, this was called that morning. none of us were prepared. it was not on his original schedule. you could see them putting the podium together while we had it in the split screen to do it. but there are a lot of top of mind things that i don't think you need a lot of prepare for that these are important things that you probably can't ask again. and the other way in which donald trump sort of behaves toward the press, the way we see a lot of foreign leaders from more authoritarian countries do is ridicule and treating the person as sort of less than a serious actor. one of the reporters who has
been very challenging in these press conferences is april ryan. and april ryan has been subjected to a lot of blowback. the last press conference donald trump did in which she asked him a question, this is the way that donald trump treated april ryan who is a long time journalist. >> am i going to -- >> are you going to include the congressional black caucus and congressional -- >> well, i would. do you want to set up the meeting? >> no, no, no. >> are they friends of your? set up the meeting. >> i know some of them, but -- >> set up a meeting. i would love to meet with the black caucus. i think it is great, the congressional black caucus. >> that is just denigration, right? you're a black person so get me the black caucus. >> it is important to remember where he came from. he made much of his money licensing his brand and mihis lo and slapping his logo on something from neck ties to
wine. so we're seeing a logical extension of brand management. which is if you attack my brand, who i am, i'm going to attack you. he used to sue people who wouldn't license properly or who degraded the quality of his brand and that is what he sees the media doing. and just this week we've seen a reporter, we've learned that the department of justice has gone after a "new york times" reporter at the time for receiving and working a source inside the senate intelligence committee, but we've seen something done very differently, which is that the fbi and doj decided to take the reporter's electronic communications, year's worth of those, and we have to wonder whether this is also part of brand management for the president which is to attack journalists in leak investigations as opposed to going after the leaker himself. >> and to that very point that you made, frank, and also not being clear and not being honest about even what is happening. this is nald trump claiming
that they caught a leaker, this is donald trump on friday. >> it's very interesting that they caught a leaker and a very important -- it's a very important leaker. so it is very interesting. i'm getting information on it now. happened last night. it could be a terrific thing. i know i believe strongly in freedom of the press. i'm a big, big believer in freedom of the press. but i'm also a believer in classified information. has to remain classified. and that includes comey and his band of thieves who leaked classified information all over the place. >> so let's start with the facts here. james wolfe who is a former top senate intelligence committee staffer was indicted by the trump department of justice charged with lying to investigators about the potential leaking of classified information. he was in court on thursday. the "new york times" -- a "new york times" reporter as frank
mentioned phone and e-mail records have been seized as a part of that investigation. but this is key. wolfe is not being charged with leaking classified information. so when trump says we caught a leaker, that is not what wolfe is being charged with. he is being charged of lying to the fbi when he denied having contact with certain reporters. so trump throwing a lot of things in that are not quite true but throwing it back to comey leaked classified information. no, he released his own notes. those were not class fid. and donald trump had the russian foreign minister and top spy in the oval office and leaked like actual secrets to they said. >> so as we have been seeing, why should we be surprised that this president is going after journalists, going after sources, going after leakers. he has been saying this all along. so i'm just kind of like we the independent press, journalists of conscious, have been trying to say you need to pay attention. i mean of course all
journalists, we kind of wake up and we're like are we next. are we next. are we the next ones who will be found. and certainly at this point we're depending so much on whistleblowers. if it isn't for whistle blowers, who can we depend on. i was in wichita, kansas, great place. and as usual i'm always talking politics with the drive person the guy was a 62-year-old. he was i'm a republican. i'm not a social conservative, but a fiscal conservative. i didn't vote for donald trump. and he said you know what scares me, the people that are here he said, they talk about donald trump as if he is a god. he can do no wrong. and he said as a republican i'm scared. and so i think again we have to put it into context, we're raising really important issues here. but these are words that are coming out of the president's mouth, he is -- he does not -- he diminishes the press at every possible moment. >> and gabe, donald trump already has in his back pocket a
conservative media that is all in, right? he's already got a republican party that but for a few stragglers is all in, where the leadership has said we won't touch him. and so you are building sort of the building blocks of authoritarian inch. and there does seem to be a reluctance to confront that. >> and one of the challenges i think we should point out the other thing that i took away from that press conference, one of his early influences was dr. norman vincent peale, power of positive thinking. our relationship is xwratgreat,r better. it is not true, but he asserts it as true therefore his followers believe it and it is gas lighting on an industrial scale. and it is difficult if you challenge someone that is objectively not true, how do you -- at some point you can bang your head against the wall, but that is the definition of insanity. >> who is not being gaslighted
is angela merkel. >> and i'll give you one more word to you on this, frank, because i wonder how the international intel he will against community then looks at this. when you see an american president shifting into this kind of leader and to maria's point with a following among his base that is immovable and with a party, a political party that is signaling, not just signaling, but saying we won't stop him, we won't touch him. >> yeah, this is where i get really concerned about the relationships amongst our allies and the intelligence services. i can't emphasize enough that america is safe because of allied intelligence relationships. we're in this together. and it is nice to have friends in the world. and so when we see the president saying i can do this alone, showing disdain for the allied relationship, it impacts the relationships amongst the intelligence partners whether it is uk, australia, canada. you name it. we're suffering because of our
own president and his lack of understanding i believe of the value of this intelligence. remember, this is a president that doesn't take daily intelligence briefings, that dismisses his own intelligence reporting from his own agencies. so he can't possible understand the level of complexity and the level ever contribution that intel makes to keeping our country safe >> and he is walking into a meeting with one of the world's most pernicious dictators on tuesday and bragging that he isn't going to prepare. and this is incredible stuff. thank you all. next up, the trump policy that is literally ripping children out of their parents' arms. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪
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this is a former walmart that has been turned into a center for children. let's see if we can get into this building. i'm guessing that is about what is to happen. >> what was your name again? >> senator jeff merkley. u.s. senator jeff merkley. me rch m m-e-r-k-l-e-y. >> and your date of birth? >> october 24, 1956. >> and you say you are a
senator? >> u.s. senator. and u.s. policy is involved right now with children -- are you familiar with this policy? >> this is not something that we specifically deal with. but just so i get an idea and advise my sergeant that you are here. >> i've been asked to leave the property. and so i'll comply with that. >> oh, wow. what is the federal government so key to hide that they will not let a understand senator, a member of the congress take a look? jeff merkley was a blockednd se member of the congress take a look? jeff merkley was a blocked from centering this facility in texas where child migrants are being leld. some likely victims of trump administration policy to separate children from parents. when asked, trump defaults to what really can only be described as a complete and total lie. >> samantha bee says you are breaking up families. >> democrats -- this is a democrat bill. the democrats can end in a very quickly. all they have to do is sit down
with us and negotiate a real bill that allows us to keep criminals out of this country. >> okay. back with me are my panel. first of all, there is no bill. this is his own policy announced by his own department of justice head, his own attorney general. it is a policy of even separating children from people seeking asylum. let me play you one more sound bite of jeff merkley describing a processing center that he attempted to visit. >> the first room had a series of cages that look a lot like dog kennels in which people had recently arrived and been put into them, they were very crowded. the individuals had space blankets, so you had all these silver space blankets, no mattresses. and people looking very distressed and upset. a number of women holding children in their arms. and then adjacent to that is a very large warehouse with much
larger cages. and in those the children have already been separated away from the parent. >> the u.n. commissioner on human rights has already rebuked the united states. the united states of america. for that policy. kennels, cages. dog kennels for human beings. >> you know, there are terms that journalists should know that the entire country needs to know, but that people who have been through this talk about by the way again this is -- this part is new of the separating. but a lot of the whole machinery is not. two words. the first one is the ice box. this is where people are subjected to being placed -- so they have just come from the very hot desert. they are in a sweating cold wet t-shirt for example and they are put into what is known -- every, every immigrant, every person delivering your pizza, you ask them do you know this and they go yes. it is like 50, 60 degrees so on you are freezing. how do you show that you have
been tortured. the other word mean dog cage. our children effectively as the senator said are being put into dog cages. and what happens, the human cost of this is that as we're talking about suicide, i want to call out a name who marco, when his 3-year-old was ripped away from him, he committed suicide. we have to talk about the trauma that is being passed down. but this is something happening in our country today. and again, where is -- where are the bodies protesting in front of the buses that are delivering, where are the bodies. and i'm saying this not as an actity vis, but as a journalist looking at american history, there is that question. >> yeah. and there is the story now we're putting up. a family was separated at the border, and this distraught father took his own life. this is a "washington post" article. the family arrived at a processing plant and said that they wanted to apply fors asyl.
border patrol agents told them that they would be separated and the family lost it. this is horrifying. the dad ended up killing himself. that policy was not worthy of even a single question during the press pool at the g-7 yesterday. and it strikes me that it is something barbaric being done in our name and we're only hearing about it in drips and drabs. >> this is disgusting. and the public needs to understand there are different reasons that people are coming to this country. you have some people who are coming here and they are breaking a law, they are undocumented. you have some people who came here legally, lost their documents or had them stolen. you have some people coming here seeking asylum and sometimes there is individual, sometimes family, sometimes minors. they are supposed to be treated differently. but it shouldn't include throwing human beings in cages. this would be wrong to do to
p.o.w.s. this would be wrong to do to fi terrorists. and it is being done to 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds and 5-year-olds. and the fact that a senator from access to somethinghat is t being paid for with our tax -- what is this, jonestown, where members of congress can't find out what is going on? this is an abomination that everyone should be ashamed of. and it is not just because it is make folks feel bad, not just because we have white nationalists running the country. it is because this goes back to what we were talking about in the g-7. it erodes our global reputation. how do we expect anyone to respect our policies. >> and throughout the cold war, maria, the then soviet union used america's treatment of african-americans as a propaganda tool against the united states when we would try to argue that we're the good by, you're the bad guy, they would say look how you are -- they used it as a propaganda too many. so this can only be helpful one
would think to those who want to propagandize against the united states. you have the united states se, democratic party, sending a letter to the trump administration asking him to please stop separating children from their moms and dads. and probably going to get a no from mitch mcconnell to get that on the floor. >> again, you brought up history. we need to remember, right, they were separating our first peoples, our native american children because they called us savages. they separated african children because they called us property. they separated japanese american citizens because they said we were infiltrators and distrust worthy. we are now animals and therefore we can be separated. and look, this is really -- how do we get in? because journalists, we can't get in. i'm barred from several detention camps because they are privately run so they are making a profit off of everybody that is being held there. i can't get in as a journalist. they won't let me in. so i'm like how do we get in,
they won't let the senator in. and i know people will get really upset about this, but i was like who could get in, who needs -- obviously melania. that won't happen. that would make it worse probably. donald trump make it worse. he would glory in seeing animals in cages. and then it actually has to be president obama and michelle obama and janet napolitano and senator lindsey graham. they should form a national -- domestic commission and then if need be an international commission that gives them access. because who else can get in there? they are not going to let us in as journalists. so that is not a plea because i'm mexican. it is a journalist plea. and don't try to make this into a racial issue. because as you know, there are black children who are being held in those cages. they are afro latino, honduran, jamaican, african. so all races of children are being held in those cages. this is not a race issue.
this is an international human rights crisis. and we can't even tell the story because we can't see it. >> and this happened with gitmo by the way. before we go, i want to play just so we don't get this twisted, this is donald trump's attorney general jeff session, again, their policy. so before you hear the president trying to pretend this is a democratic policy, here is jeff sessions just filing separating parents from their kids. >> ifs it absolutely knows separate parents from children when they are detained or apprehended at the border? >> yes. what's happening is we're having more people coming, bringing children with them, entering between the ports of entry, between the 30r9s ports of entr illegally. you can't give them immunity.
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the park is in the past. run! we're not on an island anymore. there is a town five miles from here. am i dead? not yet, kid. change was inevitable and it's happening now. welcome to jurassic world. rated pg-13. president trump is not weak. he will be strong as he always is. so those were my points. this was an ill advised statement. he ought to come out and apologize in the name of the western allies. okay? he ought to come out today and wish president trump well in the negotiation instead of taking pot shots. >> i highly doubt that that will happen. larry kudlow. donald trump's economic adviser went on the sunday shows to bash
justin trudeau and his criticism of donald trump at the g-7 summit. joining me now, our business and political consultant and dana and jason are back with me. tara, here is a bit more of larry kudlow on cnn earlier today again going after justin trudeau. and just to be clear, what they are mad at him for saying is that it is a bit insulting to put tariffs on canada when canada is an ally. they are mad about juistin trudeau defending his country. >> you you just don't behave that way, okay? it is a betrayal. essentially double crossing. not just double crossing president trump, but the other members of the g-7 who were working together and pulling together this communique. so i ask you, he gets up in the airplane and leaves, and then trudeau starts blasting him at a domestic news conference? i'm sorry, it is a betrayal.
that is a double cross. >> he actually said that trudeau stabbed him in the back and now he is trying to claim that everyone else, it was all good, they came together. can we show that picture again of them all coming cool and they were all fine? we'll leave that up. okay. i mean, they are attacking -- >> there it is. that is them all coming together and then justin trudeau messed it up. >> everything is fine. it's all good. >> this is their tactic. distract, deflect and play the victim. and so everything that they do now -- because i'm now not convinced that there some strategy involved. i know trump shoots from the cuff and he does all these things off the top of his head, but at the same time, there is still a strategy in place in addition to that. and that strategy as i said, it is distract, deflect and play the victim. the base wants to see -- the base feels like they are victims. trump reflects that with what he says and does. and as you can see, the line, it
is throughout the entire administration. it is not just trump anymore. this is about messaging. this is -- and people should take this far more seriously, especially democrats. this is a messaging strategy and it is a messaging strategy that is working. >> and to that point, dana milbank, here is the one, two, three. donald trump in the "washington post" claimed that canada misstreets u.s. farmers under the system, limits how much milk canadian farmers can produce, requiring them to purchase a production quota. the government limits moisture milk and dairy comes into the country slapiping excess import. here is larry kudlow slamming canadian dairy tariffs earlier today on cnn. >> he holds a press conference and he said the u.s. is insulting. he said that sccanada has to std up for itself, he says we are the problem with tariffs.
the nonfactual part of this was, they have tariffs on certain dairy and food products of a 200,295 percent. he was polarizing. >> and i won't read it, but then donald trump of course has his tweet on friday criticizing dairy tariffs. we have a free trade pact with canada, it is called nafta. canada is not doing to us what the high tariff countries like china are doing, but donald trump has decided if his folks feel like victims, do they feel like victims of canada? >> it is quite bizarre. i mean if you look at donald trump's own u.s. trade representative says we have a trade surplus with canada. and you can quarrel about how you count it here and there, but one thing that is not in dispute is canada is the single largest buyer of u.s. products in the entire world. so here you have a member of the trump administration lecturing others on what is good behavior
and what is not good behavior. and saying this fairly mild criticism from the canadian prime minister is a knife in the back. now, if that is a knife in the back, what president trump is doing on a daily basis to people domestically and abroad is chopping them up into pieces and sticking them in the freezer. >> absolutely. and lindsey graham actually said something that is quite true. because if kind of almost didn't matter what the facts are. donald trump blowing up nafta would really only hurt his own country. would ruin texas's economy. they don't seem to necessarily care about that. but it is true. this is what they care about. lindsey graham gets to it, the idea that underlies sort of the things that trump says. take a listen. >> there is a movement in our party that trump seized that got hip the nomination and eventually become president of the united states. so i'm not so sure a majority of americans believe that globe allegization and free trade is in our interests. i believe that.
john mccain believes it. but the reason we're having these problems here at home, brexit, italy, there is a movement all over the world to look in-ward, not outward. and i think it is a mistake. >> and therein lies the point that there is in fact the point is that free trade zones like nafta actually make goods chooper for americans, it actually makes the economy better. but a lot of people around the world do not believe that, they just want to have these in-ward looking policies, whether immigration or trade. >> and there are problems with globalization. there are. there are many ways that globalization has not been beneficial because corporations can move more than labor. because you can have all sorts of rules and regulations that aren't necessarily beneficial. but what donald trump is doing doesn't make globalization better. the response to globalization is to not turn inward and say everybody is terrible. the response is to make sure that both labor and corporations are involved in building a new world that we all know is closer
anyw anyway. but there is something more fundamental that people need to understand about donald trump's psychology. and i hate arm chair quarterbacking him. but donald trump didn't believe in any deal that does not result in some side getting fleeced. so if he sees any sort of negotiation where both sides leave happy, he assumes that somebody got screwed over. so he destroys all of these deals because he is like if they are happy and we're happy, it can't be right. the only deals that work is if i go away as winner. >> and you would know better than anybody else here. you're also a business other than. i want to quickly put up this tweet. the u.s. is a pretty low tariff country. canada is an even lower average tariff country. the average tariffs out of canada, 0.8%. the average tariff -- there they are, 1 ppts .6% in the u.s. but in donald trump's mind, somebody has to be screwing us over. >> and look, the u.s. is a
consumer driven economy. that is part of why we have our economic structure the way that it is. whereas china is an export-led economy. but what trump is doing is capitalizing on the fact that most americans don't understand these nuances and larry kudlow, who does understand these is capitalizing on these nuances. if you look at singapore, singapore has high tariffs, but there is a reason because they want fewer cars in their country. they want certain things. there is a reason why countries make the choices that they make and is driven by the structure of their economy. >> and i cannot say it enough, donald trump and his daughter manufacture their goods not in ohio, in china. >> and ethiopia you nnow. >> chinese steel built those towers, guys -- or chinese concrete, not american steel. he is a globalist. let me throw this stuff.
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first of all, i don't get to sneak out, period. >> we're actually talking about building a wall around our country. and yet you have been reaching out to people who don't ney agre with us, gaza, iran, cuba, i mean, i just wish more americans had passports. the extent to which you can see how other people live seems useful at worst and incredibly pleasurable and interesting at best. >> president obama is among the many fans around the globe paying tribute to legendary chef, world traveler, and tv host anthony bourdain, who took his own life friday while traveling in tranfrance at age . president obama tweeted out a picture of himself sharing a meal with bourdain in vietnam during "parts unknown." he summed up his legacy, "he taught us about food but more importantly about its ability to
bring us together and make us a little more unafraid of the unknown." jackie, another colleague at cnn, don lemon, said this about anthony bourdain. >> his stories weren't about food. food was a conduit. it was the thing that drew you in and once you were drawn in, it was about the experience. it wasbout the connection. it was his interaction, his interactions with people. >> i feel like that is so well encapsulated. it was about his culture connection. >> definitely. you were less likely to see an anthony bourdain at some place like a black live s matter rall. instead he traveled to parts of the world and broke bread with these people and not really deal with politics but their lives.
what was it we found interesting about their culture. in doing that, people who also -- a pig part big part of audience would attend marches or rallies or agree with those places and politics but were learning about those people. he humanized so many parts of the world people were disconnected from. >> his episode on the bronx was one of the best things i'd ever seen. he was traveling inewyork. >> and houston. he said to his producers, i don't want any white people in this. i want to cemex can see mexican asians and people who make up this community. >> let's to listen to anthony talk about his relationship to food, because he was also a chef. take a listen. >> as i've gotten older, i'm moving more and more away from fine dining. let's put it that way. and i'm moving towards those meals and foods that make me happy, food i can eat with my
hand, peasant food, home cooking, small, casual businesses. say i'm suffering from fine dining exhaustion. there will always be aspects to-that world that, you know, it's the world i came out of, but i like to experience food emotionally whenever possible. >> i feel like this is an irreplaceable person on television. i mean, you know, a lot of us have taken it hard. he was our travel friend in our head. how revolutionary in your view as somebody who's studied the tv industry was anthony bourdain and the programs? >> without question he is a media pioneer. he broadened what he think of as news on television. you know, several years ago i wrote a profile of cnn head jeff zucker who was really trying to figure out in this fractured media landscape how do you draw in an audience when there's not breaking news? one of the shows that was working so well was bourdain's show because people, even if there wasn't a breaking news story, they would tune in because he was such an authentic
personality and opened up the world to so many viewers. at his best, he was a journalist, a foreign correspondent, yes, he covered food, be, he traveled the world and took places so they could see there is a commonality through these cultures. >> now unfortunately he's taught us the realities of depression, no matter how fabulous and amazing your life seems, you just don't know. >> so true. what has happened in light of his death is so many people are checking on each other. i can't tell you the e-mails and messages from friends, how are you doing, are you really okay? it's unfortunate this is the reason we're doing this because the lesson maybe we walk away with us is we should be doing this more and more every day. >> thank you. he had an amazing show. he made such an impact on the road. gabe sherman, jackie reid, thank you for being here. on a happier note, i want to wish a happy birthday to a very special person, my sister. we call her june buggy.
june carroll, actress extraordinaire. there we are taking selfies together. i'm so to proud of her. she's an amazing actress. i have to play a clip. can we play a clip of my sister doing her acting thing? let's play it. >> i have to get out of my booth and put down my puzzle. i had to grab him and pull him back over the turnst then he starts crying. i said, what is wrong with you as a person? >> my sister has been the surly secretary, has been in a little piece of scandal, in all these incredible shows. look at us back in the '80s. that's her graduating from brown university. my big sister is one of the most awesome, ferocious, fierce, fabulous black girl magic women i've ever known. she's my surrogate play mommy. she does everything for myself, my brother. happy birthday, june buggy. love you, love you. everything for his well-being.
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that is our show for today. we'll be back next saturday 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, alex witt not only has the latest, but i did my sister's birthday and a little birdie tells me you have something special. >> my parents' wedding anniversary. 62 years. i mean, come on. >> that doesn't happen hardly anymore. >> it doesn't. what an example. i'll never live up to it, but -- >> obviously they did an amazing job raising a brilliant daughter. you are such a role mod toll women in this business, so