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thanks much for watching, everyone. i'm alex witt. a very historic day in news. a big week ahead here. have a great week, everybody. i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in europe. the art of diplomacy -- president trump in singapore this hour ahead of tuesday's his stork summit with north korea's kim jong-un. when the two leaders will come face to face for the first time. a one-time shot? that's what the commander in chief is calling the meeting, claiming he'll know right away if north korea means business. and the president versus the prime minister en route to singapore for that meeting with a long-time adversary.
president trump launched a twitter attack on our closest allies. we begin this afternoon with history in the making. president donald trump and north korean leader kim jong-un both in singapore setting the stage for tuesday's nuclear summit. with a build-up has been similar to what you'd see before a championship prize fight with all the hype, the spectacle, the bluster, and the name-calling. now there are reports the two leaders are going to meet one-on-one first. joining us now from singapore, bill neely, chief global correspondent for nbc news. eugene scott is political reporter for "the washington post." lock lynn markey -- loughlin ma. singapore is not a big place, it is you and 3,000 other reporters descending on it to see what happens here on tuesday. set the scene for us. what happens between now and then. >> yeah, david, you are absolutely right. at the moment the two leaders are in their respective hotels, i assume, since 2:00 in the
morning that they are asleep. but with president trump you never can be sure. and tomorrow there is one visit by president trump to singapore's prime minister li. tim jong kim jong-un saw him this afternoon after he arrived. kim jong-un looking very relashgserela relaxed. he thanked li for hosting the summit, saying the whole world will be watching. that is absolutely true. they'll be watching in russia, in china, especially, of course, in japan and south korea where north korea's nuclear weapons have been a threat for decades. this is an extraordinary historic summit. the two men are within blocks of each other really, a three-minute car ride, if that. on tuesday here, a heavily secured part of singapore, they will meet for that historic summit. you're going to hear that word,
historic, quite a lot. just before he left quebec, president trump was asked about how he felt about the upcoming summit. here's what he said. >> we're about to embark on what may be the most important meeting you've ever had in your life. what's in your gut? steel nerves or butterflies? >> i really feel confident. i feel that kim jong-un wants to do something great for his people and he has that opportunity. >> reporter: and he also said that he won't have that opportunity again. it wasn't a menacing comment, but it is a warning that this is, as president trump said, a one-time shot, a unique opportunity for these two men who come at this whole problem of denuclearization from very different angles. they still don't have a common definition of what denuclearization means. as far as the summit is concerned, we don't have an
agenda. we don't know what they'll be talking about. we don't know how long they'll talk for. there is a report that they may talk one-on-one in the room with just a translator between them. but, david, there really is so much we don't know about this meeting which will take place here tuesday just after 9:00 in the morning. >> you travel the world more than many of my colleagues. you mention that summit that took place in quebec. the comments that we heard from president trump while he was there, the tweet that he fired off afterward about how he didn't want to sign on to the joint communique. how does that kind of rhetoric reverberate around the world? you were traveling often and everywhere. what effect is that having on our relationship with other countries, as you see it? >> reporter: well, you know what happened in quebec might horrify america's european allies and canada, but it will not have gone unnoticed by kim jong-un and the north koreans. what lessons will they draw from
that? well, we don't know. but it is possible that they feel it undermines anything president trump says because if he agrees to acommunique, and then gets on a plane and disavows it, then what is his signature on any agreement worth? and that's always been their paranoia about libya and what happened to colonel gadhafi. the world said to colonel gadhafi, hey, give up your nuclear weapons, we'll look after you, it will be all right, you'll come in from the international cold and be a global figure. he did that and of course within a number of years he was murdered after air strikes by britain, france and the united states. so that has always been a concern from the north koreans. and they'll also be looking at that meeting. as you said, i've covered g7 summits many, many times before. they are usually predictable affairs, usually friendly. apart from one in 2003 directly
after -- or during the iraq war. but usually entirely predictable. not this one. so the north koreans may be saying, hey, if that's what happens at a summit with friends and allies, what can we expe? xpect the unexpected. this will be unpredictable. probably unscripted. remember at the g7 summit, president trump before it even began talked about russia rejoining the g7 to make it the g8. again that was an unscripted remark, apparently not agreed with any national security officials or foreign policy officials. so i think this will be a seat of the pants affair. president trump -- i mean the eyes of the world will be on this, but we'll all be looking very closely at the first minute because that's when president trump says he will basically look into kim jong-un's eyes and decide if he's serious or not about denuclearization. he will know, says president trump, by his feel, by his touch. so, you know, both men are
extremely aware of tv cameras, of their image, of how this goes down with their own population. so even the first minute of this meeting will be absolutely crucial and absolutely fascinating for the likes of us, david. >> bill neely, my colleague in singapore. eugene scott with loughlin markey. eugene, start with you for a sense of what you are looking for in light of what i was just discussing with bill neely, that is you are looking at this through the prism of what happened in quebec over the last couple of days. how does that change what you are going to be looking for, eugene? >> i think what i'm looking for is looking specifically to see if president trump is going to prove that he actually has some type of nj and insight into what could make north korea move towards peace and denuclearization which is what he ultimately wants, in a way that he has not communicated before. we have some background reporting saying that one of the main motivations for donald
trump with this whole summit with north korea is that when president obama and trump met shortly before the inauguration, obama made it very clear to president trump that north korea would be one of his biggest challenges. so trump is trying to communicate that he is solve a problem that obama was not able to. but he hasn't communicated how exactly, so we are looking to see if there is any way that he can make clear that he has some answers to questions and problems that obama did not. >> loughlin markey, let me turn to you. what do we know about the kind of prep going into this summit? as we look at things beginning to unfold there in singapore, we saw a lot more enthusiasm for the summit in singapore than quebec. what's the white house saying about how president trump is preparing for this unprecedented meeting? >> i think he sees the most viable course as building sort of a personal rapport with kim jong-un. as bill just told us, there's talk of it being a one-on-one meeting between the two leaders. i think president trump really wants to build a relationship and he thinks that's the right
way forward. i do think though that that creates a lot of interest region dynamics in terms of opti especially coming out of this g7 where you've had the president and his advisors really lashing out at a major u.s. ally. so if that's immediately followed up by photo-ops of smiling and handshaking between the leaders of the u.s. and north korea, that's definitely -- it puts a dent in our standing as sort of a moral leader on the world stage if we're treating the leader of north korea much better than we're treating the leader of canada. so i think that's going to be a challenge. >> carl, if i turn to you for historic perspective. we've heard, this is an unprecedented thing, there hachbt be hasn't been a meeting like this before. situate this for us in history. how big a deal is it? >> well, it is a big deal because we've tried to have a relationship with, in for so long and they are a nuclear power, and as such, a danger to the world's peace. i covered a number of summits in the '70s and '80s involving the
united states and the soviet union. one of the dangers in these kinds of summits was exemplified by what happened in iceland when president reagan and president gorbachev met. they met by themselves, pretty much, and they got off on a discussion of whether they should get rid of all nuclear weapons in the world. and while that sounds like a great idea, most arms control experts and most people who studied these things didn't think it was a very great idea. and it ultimately didn't happen because gorbachev wouldn't allow reagan to continue testing on the "star wars" defense system he was so enamored of. but it really shows that when two leaders get in a room, anything can happen. the question, once they're in the room, is how eager will each of them -- especially president trump -- be to get some kind of a deal. >> eugene, relationships like this, conversations like this, one-on-one conversations, are built on trust. you look back at what happened
in quebec. i don't think we're picking up the pieces yet. i think we're trying to assess what the pieces are that are on the ground. you have larry kudlow, the president's economic advisor, talking about what transpired there. he was standing next to president trump at the press conference yesterday morning. take a listen to what larry kudlow had to say about what happened. >> we went through it. we agreed. we compromised on the communique. we joined the communique. in good faith. he holds a press conference and he says the u.s. is insulting. he said that canada has to stand up for itself. he says that we are the problem with tariffs. he really kind of stabbed us in the back. he really -- actually, you know what? he did a great disservice to the whole g7. >> eugene, we can say wither the alliance. we can say wither the trust. larry kudlow sowing the seeds of
trust or mistrust. that's at least how i see it. >> yes. i think even if what larry kudlow said about justin trudeau was accurate, you have to look at the track record between the united states and canada. this is not something that has been common throughout this relationship. but what is true is that north korea has not proven that they are a country and leader that we can actually trust. but trump is speaking about north korea as if they good actor and have a history of showing themselves to be. so it is not clear why he has such confidence in north korea to go ahead and do what it is that he ultimately wants and has so little confidence in canada despite america's lg history with the country. >> loughlin, lastly to you. i talked about picking up the pieces. the senior senator from arizona, john mccain, trying to do that in a tweet to our allies. in 209 characters a message to them. i'll read here -- to our allies. bo bipartisan majorities of americans remain pro free trade,
pro globalization and supportive of alliances based ond 70 years of shared values. americans stand with you even if our president doesn't. that's an extraordinary statement. how much are we seeing that echoed by otherembe of the congress? >> yeah. i mean there is increasing distrust among republicans of the trump trade agenda when you see the president coming out and tweeting, for instance, that the steel and aluminum tariffs are in retaliation for tariffs on dairy imposed by canada when the initial justification for the u.s. tariffs was on national security grounds. meanwhile, you have the president simultaneously this week lifting sanctions on the chinese technology company zte which a lot of republican members of congress have said is a grave mistake from a national security perspective. i think a lot of people are recognizing that disconnect, not just senator mccain but senator rubio's been outspoken. even folks who are close to the president like senator tom cotton have voiced a little bit of skepticism. i would imagine that's only going to increase as the simple matter of international alliances with some of our biggest allies become sort of
front and center in this debate. >> appreciate the time. looking ahead to tuesday's summit, the president spoke about his approach to reading the north korean leader. we don't have it? wendy sherman, an msnbc global affairs contributor, former under secretary of state for political affairs at the u.s. department of of state. you were of course the point person on north korea during the clinton administration. we'll get to that in just a moment but i can't have you here without asking about what you saw unfold yesterday. yes, on the shores of the st. lawrence river but once that plane took off and began to make its way to singapore, what do you make of the move the president made yesterday of vis-a-vis his relationship -- our relationship -- to this group of allies? >> well, clearly i think it is quite concerning. the president has made a career in the last few months of
showing that our strongest allies, the people who have stood with us to fight battle after battle in afghanistan, in iraq, in all over the world, to really thwart isis, that he's going to abandon them. he did on climate change. did he on the iran deal. he's done that on nato. he's done it in any kind of multi-lateral trade deal. in so many ways on the iran deal. he has done it again. but i think, david, what was really going on at the g7 is his prism wasn't the g7. it was this summit that was about to come up and i even think that his gambit saying russia should join the g7 to become the g8 again was in part looking tough, looking strong, and saying to russia i need you on my side for the summit with kim jong-un. it had more to do with the summit, all of these shenanigans, than it had to do with the g7. >> we throw around this word, communique. i just want you to explain what this is exactly. my understanding is it is a joint statement, common at
meetings like these, and they are agreed to, maybe not signed but agreed to weeks, if not months, beforehand. talk about the extraordinary of that. there waspeculation here on the first day of this summit the president might not sign it. but customarily, at least again, as i understand it, these things are agreed to in advance. >> indeed. there are many, many meetings that take place in front of the g7, including a g7 ministerial. that is the foreign ministers. there is a g7 finance minister's meeting. all through all of thee meetings and was well as the subsherpas, the people who are not the major negotiator but the subnegotiators representing different cabinet secretaries, are working on what the communique will say. it is quite a lengthy document. has all kinds of financial steps in it that are going to be taken. concerns about climate. concerns about gender equality, which was on the canadian agenda. of course, whatever is the common and most critical foreign policy issue of the day. so i'm sure there was even language in there about north
korea and the upcoming summit. so, yes, these things are put together far in advance. sometimes there is some negotiating right at the end. there certainly has been on foreign policy. i represented our government in several g7 meetings going with the president of the united states. we did have some late night negotiating sessions. but larry kudlow was there doing the financial aspects for the president. and he has said on this morning's networks that he supported this final communique and only agreed with the president when the president got his back up after justin true bow basically just spoke the facts as he saw them. >> let's turn to north korea now, something with which you have a lot of experience. i saw jennifer jacobs of bloomberg news reporting the president intends to meet with kim jong-un one-on-one in a room with just their interpreters. how extraordinary is that? how worried does that make you that they would be meeting without the panoply of policy advisors? >> my guess is that when that interpreter comes out, the president's advisors will want
to have all of the notes of the interpreter, know what went on in that meeting. i can understand the president wanting to get a feel for kim jong-un and believing that he can, one-on-one, size him up and see what's going on. the interpretation actually is helpful because it gives each of the leaders a few moments to consider how they want to respond next, which is useful when you're just getting to know someone. but i'm sure his advisors, if it goes on for too long, will get a little anxious about what's being decided and what they'll have to sort out and fix once the two leaders step away from that one-on-one. >> we were talking a few moments ago about trust and what has happened to trust. you worked intimately on the iran nuclear deal. the president has withdrawn from that. we've seen what happened at the g7. we see what's happening with the paris climate accord, as well. how worried are you about the word of the u.s.? yes, in this negotiation, but in subsequent ones, as well. >> i've always worried about
this where president trump is concerned. he thinks that leaving the iran deal, leaving climate, really pushing back against our strongest partners is a way to say he's tough, that he will only negotiate the toughest deals, and to really try to set kim jong-un on his back feet. i think it has the opposite reaction. it makes it look like we aren't a credible partner. we aren't a reliable partner. and it is not only a concern with kim jong-un. it's a concern that south korea and japan, our allies and partners in this regard, will not see us as trustworthy and reliab reliable. and of course china's already concerned about that reliability and credibility. >> last question just about the remaining prep that the president is going to go through, presumably. he has ambassador sung kim there, the u.s. ambassador to the philippines who was previously the u.s. ambassador to south korea. he's been a point person on this, along with mike pompeo, the current secretary of state.
sarah huckabee sanders incysist on that flight over from canada he was poring over the information. >> the president has told us he really bases what he does on instinct and guts. there is is no question he can get a declaration which i'm sure ambassador sung kim has been negotiating with the south koreans -- i'm sorry, with the north koreans. and ambassador kim is an excellent very able career diplomat and i think he'll bring a lot to the table if the president will listen to him. but ultimately what has to get neglect aed here is a very detailed technical document which isn't going to be done here at this summit. it is going to be done, i hope, by a panoply of experts. and the last thick i want to say, david, is in september 2005, as part of the six-party talks, led by china, with the u.s. at the table and north korea, south korea, japan, russia, there was an agreement that north korea would abandon its nuclear weapons, its current
program, any future program. basically what we're trying to get today, not about missiles, but about nuclear weapons, that was in september 2005. it never happened. so whatever nice words we hear out of this summit -- i'm sure we will, and i want it to succeed. i'ather us be talking than be at war. indeed, it is going to be the devil will be in the details that will be negotiated after this summit is finished. so although the president may get a good photo-op, a good declaration, may even declare peace and the armistice abandon and on to peace on the korean peninsula. there will still be a lot of negotiating ahead. the devil will not only be in the details but what north korea does and whether it in fact fulfills its promises. >> few americans have sat across the table from north korean leadership. ambassador wendy sherman is one of them. thank you very much for the time this afternoon. >> thank you, david. inside the arsenal, exactly what weapons will kim jong-un offer up if that summit in singapore is successful. we'll take a look at the military might of north korea next. when i kept finding myself smoking in my attic.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. with the singapore summit focused on north korea's nuclear program, what are the capabilities of those weapons? u.s. intelligence officials estimate that north korea has between 30 and 60 warheads in the country's atomic arsenal. to date north korea has conducted six knee clear tests since october 2006. four of them were conducted under kim jong-un's leadership. in july 2017 north korea fired its first land-based intercontinental little bit aa missile which flew for 37 minutes and landed in the korean peninsula. experts say the ballistic missile launch put alaska within reach. today there's not much we know about what the u.s. wants and what north korea wants. the big question is whether kim jong-un is willing to give up his weapons. john park, from the harvard kennedy school. patricia kim, nuclear security fellow at the council on foreign
relations. we were just speaking about ambassador wendy sherman about the term "denuclearization." how much of this is just ensuring that the u.s. and north korea are reading from the same book, chapter and verse, that their definition of this term is the same? >> well, david, that's an aspirational goal. they have to work towards that. there's still a lot of gop in terms of understanding denuclearization, what does what, when, where and how. the core purpose of this singapore summit is to see if there is enough there to delaunch this process that president trump has been talking about. this idea that there is a lot of work ahead as opposed to solving everything in one meeting. >> patricia, john talks about that mechanism. what would it look like? what's the time horizon that we are talking about here? it is not as if you could flip a switch or snap a finger and this country could be rid of these weapons. how long would it take? >> right. i think, david, there's some debate on how long denuclearization would actually take and exactly what it would look like. the white house has said that it
wants north korea to denuclearize quickly or at least take concrete steps towards denuclearization in the next two years. it hasn't laid out the specific steps, and perhaps this is something we'll see coming out of the singapore meeting. whereas north korea has made clear that it wants to go slowly, it wants a phased, syncronist mechanism where the u.s. makes concessions, north korea makes concessions. we have yet to get a road map. perhaps that's something we'll see out of sync pore. >> y singapore. >> this is a country that possesses biological, chemical weapons, this is a country that possesses just ballistic missiles unto themselves. how much does that need to be on the table for a deal that works, that has lasting power and significance? >> patricia mentioned in terms of a phased approach. from a u.s. perspective sequencing is critical. in this respect as there is progress on the denuclearization mechanism, they would get to
other elements, but it is really a task now of prioritization. what initiates this overall process and dealing with other contentious issues. the main thing here store president trump to look across the table and see if he has a negotiation partner, someone with whom he can go over these hurdles as they arise. because definitely won't be smooth sailing ahead. >> patricia, i want to read from something you wrote for the washington here. you said, for north korea to lay down its nuclear weapons, kim must be genuinely convinced that the united states will not harm his regime. just want you to take stock of what we've heard over these last many months. john bolton talked about the libya model. there was a whole conversation about a bloody nose strike, a strategy that the u.s. might employ on north korea. how much do you think that's changed on sobered the perspective north korea has on these talks? >> i think in a sense the threat north korea felt from the sorts of rhetoric coming from the white house certainly brought them to the negotiating table. in the same sense, i think it
becomes harder to convince them that the united states can extend a genuine security guarantee. i think north korea i a paranoid state to begin with. it is a dictatorship. kim jong-un has always felt that he needs to fight for his survival. that's why he needs nuclear weapons. so it will be very difficult to convince him that he can lay those weapons down. i think the white house -- the great thing about our country is that we have a democracy and we have a change in leadership every four to eight years. but also that could be and obstacle where kim jong-un feels -- he may be able to strike a deal with president trump, but the next president may not necessarily stay with the deal as we saw president trump withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. so i think there are some hurdles for us to cross here. >> patricia kim there with cfr, john park with the harvard kennedy school, thank you both for your time. vladimir putin offers to host the g7 after president trump's push to welcome russia back into the fold. how a leader expelled from the
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welcome back. i'm david gura. america's relationship to some of its closest allies changed when president trump refused to sign on to a statement at the end of the g7 summit in canada. it may have been a win for russian president vladimir putin who was not even there. russia was kicked out of the group of nations in 2014 after that country annexed crimea. the g8 became the g7. when asked about crimea, president trump blamed former president obama, not vladimir putin. the president also repeated his call for russia to be re-admitted to the group. joining me now, malcolm nance, msnbc intelligence and terrorism analyst. author of the book, "the plot to hack america." malcolm, let me start just by getting your reaction to what you saw play out yesterday. i heard you on my colleague, joy reid's show, yesterday shortly
after president trump made his remarks. what do you make after that press conference took place? >> if we're grading the president of the united states on scale of to 10 and 10 is dignified and respectful, that was a 1. might even have been a minus 5. what we are seeing here is donald trump who does not believe in national and international global alliances. all of the alliances which were established on d-day. right? after world war ii. donald trump does in the believe in these things. i think what we are doing is we are on the precipice of a global re-alignment where our traditional allies are now becoming in his mind our enemies. our traditional enemies are the autocrats that he wants to be part of in their own little club. . malcolm, you were in navy intelligence, an astute student of an individual's behavior.
i want to play a quick clip of larry kudlow this morning, the president's economic advisor, talking about his sense of what happened at the g7 and get your reaction to it. >> you just don't behave that way. okay? it is a betrayal. okay? he's essentially double crossing. he gets up in the airplane and leaves, then trudeau starts blasting him in a domestic news conference? i'm sorry, that is a betrayal. >> again, i think you are equipped to read behavior maybe better than larry kudlow is. what do you make just about the way this administration is acting from the top on down? >> well, this is just bullying vi. let's just be honest here. so what larry kudlow is saying is that the president of the united states, donald trump, can attack any foreign leader by twitter, to their face, in conferences, can have his entire staff insult them, treat them in a bullying manner, and then when they stand up for themselves, or as a collective, it is a betrayal. you know, international politics goes both ways.
and although trump is not a believer in diplomacy, he is a believer in this bully form of politics. and again, he is not comfortable with people who work collectively, who work as allies and through diplomacy. he is comfortable with autocrats. and this again is dangerous for this nation because we have a president of the united states who is closer to king george iii prior to the american revolution than he is to george washington, by any stretch of the imagination. >> malcolm, you and i have talked a lot about this widening gulf between the administration and the intelligence community in this country. i think we both agree the president has been fomenting that, making that divide even wider. i just want to read a quotation from the director of national inteigence. this is dan coats. he was speaking yesterday as all of this unfolded. he was in europe. he said, vladimir putin's actions demonstrate that he seeks to sow divisions within and between those in the west,
degrading our democratic values and weakening our alliances. the contrast couldn't be starker, could it, malcolm? >> no. it can't be. dan coats, i've met dan coats. you know, he is toeing the policy line forhe continuity of government and the u.s. intelligence community. when you're confronted with hard-core facts, with data as it flows in from multi-sources, you can only come up with one result. and dan coats is maintaining that. so long as he does not say that in front of donald trump or cross the president, his job is safe. but, donald trump doesn't believe in intelligence. he doesn't believe in the fundamental correctness of empirical data. as you see with his north korean summit, it is all about his gut. and that means whatever misperceptions he has in his head or whatever framings our enemies such as puvladimir puti
a form er russian intelligence officers, any framing to put around trump to make him believe what they want him to believe, trump will go with it. >> malcolm nance, thank you for your interpretation. will north korea really give up its nukes or will it settle for a fast food joint? contrasting what president trump says and what the cia says is possible in north korea. the middle seat... rough if you're on vacation. but the best seat in the house if you're at outback.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. there are high hopes for the historic summit between kim jong-un and president trump. but will north korea actually commit to ending its weapons program? new u.s. intelligence submits that it is a finding that conflicts with recent statements by president donald trump that pyongyang intends to cooperate in the future. cia analysis gave a few possible
concessions, that kim may consider opening a western burger joint as a sign of good will. the president whose love of fast food burger is no secret has previous said he wanted to talk nukes over a burger with the north korean leader. yong ha beyond the hamburger, will there be anything left to chew over? sumi terri was in the krae under both presidents bush and obama. what we've heard from president trump about what's possible and what you know about what north korea might be willing to entertain, how big a gap is there between those two? >> there is a wide gap. we talked about this before. north koreans always had a different definition of denuclearization. your previous guests on this show talked about that. denuclearization for them always meant korean peninsula, if the reduction is guaranteed, if the u.s. policy ends, right? yadda, yadda, yadda. pull out u.s. troop commitments
and we're talking about u.n. la -- unilateral dismantlement. we'll see what happens if we can narrow this gap. >> you look at this assessment based on reporting of my colleagues. there is a load of moderate confidence in what we know. this has been the challenge of dealing with this country. it is a hard country to read. are we getting better at it? as president trump goes into this meeting, how confident should he be in the sense of what the regime is willing to do? >> right now i don't think we have a whole lot of confidence. we'll see if trump can actually get something out of kim jong-un. i do think something will come out of it, some sort of agreement. kim jong-un might put something on the table. i think even partial -- putting some -- getting rid of some element of nuclear program on the table but not all. not complete verifiable. but in terms of intelligence, the fact that kim jong-un is meeting with all these people
and all these dimtplomats, thiss jackpot for intelligence. kim jong-un has met with trump? the only person in the past years he's met with is dennis rodman. at least something good is coming out of this. >> how much did the picture change when kim jong-un came to power? we don't know if he's traveled that widely. we don't know much about him on the international stage. did things change markedly in terms of the north koreans' perspective on the world when he took over? >> when he took over, he has gone out at all until just couple months ago when he went -- took the train to china. it was the first time that he went outside of the country. the only person that he has hosted was dennis rodman. but now he's shifted gear. after seven years of trying to just complete the nuclear program, accelerating towards perfect being the nuc arsenal, now he's turned to this charm offensive, symmetry and diplomacy. now he thinks he's sitting down
with president trump from position of strength or at least at equal partner to see what north korea can get out of the united states in this negotiation. >> what is your sense of what north korea wants at this point? when you look at incentives that the u.s. could employ, that south korea could deploy, you had that summit between north and south korea, the first one, in which south korea agreed to do some spending on infrastructure in the country. is it that? is it infrastructure investment? >> i think that's secondary. first thing is security guarantee. now is there any way that u.s. can really guarantee regime security for north korea? i don't think so. but what they will be asking for is a peace treaty to normalize relations with ooh states. what that does is it undermines rationale for u.s. troop presence in south korea. it undermines rationale for u.s./south korea alliance commitment. i think peace treaty and getting some sort of security guarantee would be the first thing they are looking for. then sure, if there is economic investment or relief from sanctions, that would be good.
more than anything else, i think they want to be internationally recognized as nuclear weapons power. they want some respect. he has it now. right? he now looks like world leader. normal leader of a normal country. wants a little respect and those are the combination of things that he is looking for. >> you bring up that peace treaty. there has been a lot of commentary about whether or not that should be on the table. as you listen to president trump, he raises it, talk about the prospects for signing a peace treaty, for changing that armistice. should it be on the table? is that something that you see as better at the end of the journey than here at the beginning of it? >> it absolutely has to be at the end of the journey. they can just do peace declaration. declare the war is over. maybe even open offices in each other's capitals. but peace treaty because it undermines rationale for troop presence, it has to be at the end of this road when north korea does completely verify,
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for your free home care planning guide. welcome back. i want to turn to a topic that affects many people every day. this week celebrity chef anthony bourdain and fashion designer kate spade took their own lives. according to the cdc, the suicide rate has gone up 30% since 1999. it's not the tenth leading cause of death in the u.s. 45,000 died in 2016 according to the national institute of mentality health. joining miss is sheryl mccray, also a leading voice in the thrive campaign.
the world lost a brilliant soul, inspiring artist and powerful businesswoman. my thoughts are with her loved one. this news is tragic and painful. you can have is all and also have a -- it was brutal to see them in quick succession. a lot of this is invisible to most of us. >> that's right. theaters, but these are diseases that are treatable. it would be helpful if more of us could understand that sometimes there argns that we could do something about. we all have a role to play in helping people understand mental illness is a disease, a chronic disease, it is treatable, but we can do something about it. you have worked hard to reduce
the stigma on mental health services. what's the biggest barrier you have encountered to do that. a lot of people don tal about it. >> stigma. >> it's stigma? >> yes itches so many people have so many misconceptions about what mental illness is. there's a great fear, lack of understanding, we don't grow up with an understanding of all of this. we know what to do when someone is bleeding, all of us know. it's basic information, but we don't know what to do when someone is suffering from depression or a panic attack. we don't know what to do about them. >> are we getting better at recognizing it with other. you grew up with parents who suffered from depression. do you remember when you first recognized it as being something different? do you remember what led you to that conclusion? are we getting better at that. >> you know, i didn't recognize what they are going through as
an adult until i saw other families. >> what do you hear from folks you have talked to who having through -- i know your husband lost his father to suicide. >> that's right. >> what has he told you about how he dealt with that or reckoned with it, what that process is like? i imagine it lasts an awful long time. it lasts a very, very long time, especially if people don't talk about it. it's a pain that never goes away, but people need to talk about it for the pain to lessen. what has happened is tragic and painful, but it has sparked a conferring that will help people to talk about others and their lives, and hopefully get them to reach out. glee it is chang that you
have -- is to maybe it something that will engage but every day. how are you doing that in new york? how are other cities modeling programs? >> well, we're taking a public health approach in new york city with thrive nyc. that's giving a lot of information. i talk about how we don't grow up learning about this. we want everyone to have a vocabulary and talk about this and know they need to talk about this. so mental health is something we need to encourage in new york. we have made it available, the people, for free, so we've trained roughly 60,000 new yorkers so far, which teaches them, you know, what are the signs of someone who is suffing from -- someone who is in emotional distress. what do you do about it? what do you do -- how do you connect someone to care?
and mental health first aid is available as a course all around the country. so i encourage anyone who is listening right now to take that course. in new york city we also have a help line, that anyone can call, 24 hours a day, seven days a week for free, and it's confidential, and offered in many languages. they did call that number, speak to a trained counselor or peer counselor, and find out what they can do to help themselves or a loved one if they're in e lp is there.ress. nice to meet you. thank you very much. chillane mccray, first lady of of new york city. next how should, a warm exit in singapore. will president trump's departure from diplomacy in canada affect his ability to close the deal in north korea? stay with us. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill
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hey, everybody. i'm david gurra. president trump in singapore, preparing for a historic meeting after attacking some of our oldest allies, the president target canada's prime minister in a twitter tirade over trade, pulling u.s. support from the joint statement. that acrimonious end to the g7 raising questions on whether the president will be able to play nice when it comes to kim jong-un. let's start there.