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i'm ayman mohyeldin at msnbc world headquarters. a lot to break down this hour. showdown in singapore. president trump and kim jong-un arrive for the historic summit, what trump calls a one-time shot. the sun about to come up and the summit almost 24 hours away. art of the deal. can the president who prides himself on his deal-making skills really talk kim into abandoning his nuclear program? new details on what might be on the table. and the growing divide the
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g7 summit ending with the united states more isolated than ever. the already harsh rhetoric between the trump white house and canada got even rougher today. we begin this hour though with president trump and his unprecedented meeting with one of america's top adversaries. north korean leader kim jong-un who arrived in singapore early this morning hours before the president for the hoy-stakes nuclear summit. the on again, off again meeting is now on just over 24 hours away at the capella hotel on sentosa island and they are set to discuss the future of pyongyang's new jersey program. as for how the president will know if the talks are successful, well, he says he'll know within the first minute by just his touch and feel. more now from nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell who is traveling with the president in singapore. kelly? >> reporter: good afternoon, ayman. still the middle of the night in singapore. time to rest and recharge for president trump and kim jong-un. they are at the respective
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hotels about half a mile apart here in singapore. the closest they have ever been physically and maybe the closest they will ever get prior to sitting down on tuesday to have a conversation about what the future looks like between the united states and north korea on the issue of nuclear weapons. president trump on monday will also take time to thank singapore by meeting with the prime minister. singapore is playing an important role here. it is neutral territory. it recognizes both countries with diplomatic relationships. that's important to give equal footing, and also they have been able to put together the necessary security, logistics and facilities to bring about one of the most hurriedly as bald summits in the modern era, something of this magnitude that came together quickly. president trump will give some time to that. top officials say he'll be working behind the scenes, not a lot of public events where we'll see the president, but meetings with his secretary of state, his national security adviser and others from the national security council team who are working on a lot of the specifics for the conversation.
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by tuesday morning local time the president will meet kim jong-un face to face for the first time. it's notable that the president has repeatedly declined to say if he and kim have spoken by phone, saying he just can't comment on that, so they will take it to the next level and meet in person. initially that will be just the two leaders and then some of the other top officials will join the conversation as things go. one of the big questions. does it go beyond that initial day? president trump has indicated he expects this is a start of a process and additional meetings and possibly additional days will be required. we just don't know the answer to that yet. president trump also said that he thinks he'll be able to assess within the first minute or so if he believes kim jong-un is serious. now, for kim this is a very different kind of experience. requirely has he left his home country since taking power, and he's met very have you world leaders and suddenly he's on the same platform of american
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presidents. something that three generations ruling north korea had wanted, something that will happen here. president trump said the hateers have been criticizing that. he says things done in the past have not worked so he's willing to try this. >> kelly o'donnell in singapore. let's bring in our panel, jean lee, a senior state department national and a former national security state adviser. >> what's at stake at this summit? >> president trump has put everything on the table, and he has essentially hyped his entire pridency it seems on this sum mirkts and so the whole world is watching. >> we've kind of been covering this, you know, asp obviously peace talks with the north koreans with the americans and possibly south koreans. if the these talks fail, are we then on a path to war? >> well, i don't think so. i actually i didn't think that
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we were on the path to war even last year, but it is interesting. president trump has essentially made this almost a reality show so he has really made this everything, and in fact has even put aside the g7 and made this everything his entire presidency. >> to that fact the g7 and the president putting his stakes on it. the president shared how he would know if the talks are in fact successful yesterday in canada. watch this, guys. >> i think within the first minute i'll know. >> how? >> my touch, my feel. that's what i do. you know if you're going like somebody in the first five seconds. you ever hear that? well, i think that very quickly i'll know whether or not something good is going to happen. >> so jean, is this a coherent diplomatic strategy here do you think? >> i'm not sure this is a diplomatic strategy.
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it is a strategy, but this is a president who is operating from the gut, who the operating on instinct and what i'm worried about is that he's walking into this meeting with kim jong-un unprepared, underprepared when the north koreans have been working on this for 25 years. >> to that point the north koreans as you mentioned they have been preparing for this, but when you take a look at the comments coming out of the president in the last 24 hours, what do you think the mindset is of the north koreans going into these talks? how do you think that they are analyzing the president's divisions with the g-7-his comment that you just saw there about his preparations and his feel and his touch? >> i suspect they are nervous about the up predict ann. i mope, i do think that president trump wanted us to see that image, that image of the leaders sort of almost working -- moving toward him in ander because he wants to unnerve north korea. i actually think that he likes that image because it looks like they are coming to him and they are not happy with him and that
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will -- >> do the north koreans get unnerved pretty easily from your experience? >> i think, you know, they have taken advantage of the president's up predictability. the fact that he was willing to do what no other america president has been willing to do and that's to sit down with the north korean leader without any major concessions, that's something that past presidents haven't done because it legitimizes a leader who has carried out provocations, illicit testing, and the north koreans recognize that. from the time president trump was campaigning, he mentioned that he would sit down with the north koreans and they have taken advantage of that, but i imagine they are renervous and that's what president trump wants. >> i want to play this sound bide from former national security adviser susan rice. she issued a warning. >> at every turn the north koreans would make commitments and break them, and we need to be mindful that that is again what might happen in this conexit. i think the question is are we walking in prepared? are we walking in with our allies behind us?
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>> so, greg, will the r.trump administration also fall into another pyongyang ploy? >> well, i think we're very likely to see that. again, there is this long track record going back to the '90s. look how much kim jong-un has gained in the last year. a couple of meetings with the president of china, a couple of meetings with the south korean president. he's being normalized as an international leader. it would very much in his interest to at least dangle something to keep these talks going, to keep himself on the world stage and try to front load it where he could get some sanctions relief or something up front and keep pushing to the back end any serious full-fledged commitment on the nuclear issue, so i think he'll want to encourage the process, and the americans will have to judge whether or not he's serious. >> greg, let me ask you really quickly with the reports that kim jong-un will spend half a day on the ground there. i believe it's a reuters report that's saying he's expected to fly out of there on tuesday by 2:00 p.m. putting them on the
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ground in five hours. is that enough time, do you think? does that show a seriousness on the part of the north koreans' commitment to these summit talks, or are they actually there with the photo-op, the meeting with the president and back to north korea as usual? >> they are there for photo-op, something they will play over and over again and make a big deal out of. again, this is to get things started. you look at every nuclear arms agreement historically. it takes years to negotiate, so it's not something that's done in five hours or a day or two. it's certainly enough time to start a process on a positive note, but not really much more than that. >> all right. jean lee, balbina and greg, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. still ahead, president trump's aides doubling down on his twitter tirade aimed at prime minister justin trudeau. how the spat with our neighbor
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i will say it was not contentiou what was strong was the language that this cannot go on, but the relationships are very good, whether it be president macron or with justin. we had -- justin did a really good job. i think the relationships were outstanding. >> so that was president trump saturday touting his relationship with u.s. allies at the g7 conference. within hours it all changed, and today trade tensions escalated in the midst of a verbal back
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and forth between canada and the united states. >> it would be with absolute certainty and firmness that we move forward with retaliatory measures on july 1st applying equivalent tariffs to the ones that the americans have unjustly applied to us. canadians are polite and we're reasonable but we also will not be pushed around >> you just don't behave that way, okay. it's a betrayal. he essentially double crossed here. he gets up in the airplane and leaves and then trudeau starts blasting him in a domestic news conference. i'm sorry. that is a betrayal. >> canada does not believe that ad hominemttks are a particularly appropriate or useful way to conduct our relations with other countries. >> there's a special place in he for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with president donald j. trump
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and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door, and that's what bad faith justin trudeau did with that stunt press conference. that's what weak dishonest justin trudeau did. >> all right. so the president also lark out and doing an about-face and refusing to sign the g7 communique accusing justin trudeau of bad faith and mocking him by calling him week. great to have all three of you with us. chris, let me begin with you in paris. you can literally take one of america's allies and run down the list and president trump has created some kind of friction with them if not all-out confrontation diplomatically and rhetoric-wise. we just heard that mash-up, the back and forth between the administration officials and the canadians. where does the u.s. go from here
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now that we've picked a fight with, as i mentioned, almost every single one of our allies? >> well, i think what we see is the progressive destruction of america's most important alliances, so it's very hard to know where we go from here. you know, it's -- the is essentially a club of countries that think they share certain basic values about democracy, about the way the global economy works, about, you know, empirical facts and when he went to the g7 it was like he went to a club where everyone is playing poker and we're going to play 52 pickup and i'm going to throw everything up in the end and see where things land. could be good or not. a typical trump approach, but we really don't know where things are going to land, and the fact is neither does he and larry kudlow and the kinds of statements that were made to defend trump is just an example
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of trump's aides sucking up to him in the way they always do when they want to try and stay rather desperately in his good graces. it really doesn't have the anything to do with rational discourse. we're way beyond that. >> brian, from that global perspective from paris and our allies, what is the average american kind of on a street level thinking here when we are saying that the president -- he's selling this narrative that he's fighting for american workers and fighting the narrative i won't be taken to the cleaners, even if it is by the canadians. i'll stand up for free and fair trade for us, but how does this war of words play out for the american people? >> i think the average trump voter like trum himself is not thinking this through. you and i have talked about it. the fact. matter our tariffs and our senator bob corker, and i live in tennessee, our senator bob corker and lamar alexander has pointed out that these tariffs will disproportionately hurt voters in trump country.
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we have volkswagen plant in chattanooga, tennessee, a mercedes-benz plant in alabama and bmw in south carolina, electrolux, sweden appliance manufacturer, has a giant plant in tennessee. they were planning a $250 million reinvestment into that plant. go back to march. trump announces steel tariffs on a thursday. electrolux comes out on friday, let than 24 hours later, saying we're putting on hold this $250 million investment. i mean, this is not just policy hurting the american people. forget about the fact that these tariffs and this economic policy could be a disaster for the global economy. it's a disaster for the economy of trump country, trump voters. >> why do they buy into the narrative then? >> well, that's the mystery, isn't it? i mean, it's -- it's a cultiocc
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personality. >> doesn't make sense. >> there was always the argument to be made republican voters especially in rural areas are voting against their own best interests. >> yes. >> but so many times you maybe have to connect. it's obtuse argument. you have to connect point "a" to "b" to "c." >> he announces the tariffs on thursday and friday electrolux is pulling out. >> friday at 5:00 p.m. trump and trudeau are all smiles is there. shortly after that 10:00 a.m. yesterday president trump says he's got a great relationship with g7 members, calling the summit tremendously successful. fast forward a few hours after that around 4:00 p.m. that day trudeau refuted some of president trump's assertions and said canada would not be pushed around in negotiations. then at 7:00 p.m. president trump on board air force one fired off a pair of tweets
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calling trudeau dishonest and weak and two economic advisers, we played the sound bite, went on the attack saying he stabbed the u.s. president in e back so it seems things have escalated very quickly. i want you to weigh in on a white house strategy here. are you seeing something? do you see something that the rest us are missing in terms of what unfolded over the past 24 hours? >> well, it's just a really incredible overreaction on the part of trump and his advisers. i mean, for peter navarro and larry kudlow and go on tv and say justin trudeau betrayed the united states, that the canadians deserve a special place in hell because he did a press conference and said that the canadians won't be pushed around is really such an overreaction, and i think that larry kudlow really revealed a lot this morning when he said that pretty much the entire reason that trump reacted this way was because he did not want to appear weak before his summit
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with kim jong-un so this really was all in preparation for him to look good in front of a dictator, and this, of course, is a pattern we've seen with the president. i don't think there's necessarily some grand strategy here except for trump trying to kind of, you know, preserve his ego before he meets with kim jong-un, but, of course, like i said, we've seen a the a person here. trump has been kind of courting dictators since he took office. he said that, you know, rodrigo duterte, the filipino dictator is a great guy. he says he wants vladimir putin, who, of course, shot down an airliner over ukraine and invaded crimea and interfered in our elections, that he wants him to be in the g8 and this is something that we'veeen him drawing closer and closer to the dictators and authoritarians in the world rather than our allies. i don't think there's a strategy and it has to do with north korea and wanting to save his skin on that front. >> you brought up an interesting point because it's a perfect segue into something that christopher dickey wrote and i want to read this quote from
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something you recently wrote in "the daily beast." write at trump checked out of the g7ing the impression lingered that he was much more at ease with the tyrants that are adversaries than the leaders who have been our allies for the last 70 years. what did you mean whereby president trump is taking his personal relationships on the world stage? >> well, i think, first of all, you have to understand that he believes in personal relationships, sure. look at his personal relationship with emmanuel macron. the real problem though is the question of values, the question of democratic values, the question of those kinds of points that i was raising before. empirical facts, climate change, things like that. he doesn't want to accept them and doesn't want to believe in them, and he feels he can deal with the dictators and strong men for two reasons. first of all, they don't share those values either, but secondly he likes the idea that
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he's one of the big boys, and he thinks they are the big boys. basically, look at what he was saying about justin trudeau. one of america's closest allies. he calls him weak, essentially calling him small, puny, saying he's not worthy of the presence of donald trump, the great king of the world, and that's clearly the way he sees himself at this point, and i think that's the problem. xi jinping, vladimir putin, those are the big guys in trump's opinion, and it's ironic, you know. he keeps saying russia should be back, should be part of the g8. russia has a real pine economy. its economy is about the size of australia. it never had a place in the g7. it was put there because it supposedly was going to share western values but it doesn't. >> brian, very quickly. are you surprised by the republican silence on the way the president has handled and dealt with some of our allies? >> i'm not really surprised. you know, obviously senators like jeff flake, bob corker,
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they are speaking out, but they are not running for re-election. the rest of -- >> so politics is a factor. >> you can -- many of them are silent. that tells me they know there's a problem. they can't speak out because if they speak out it could be suicide for them politically. >> we'll see how that plays how the in the mid terms. natasha, i'll ask you to stick around and chris dickey, thanks so much for joining from us paris and staying up late. safety in numbers. how tensions with our key allies could make americans less safe, and let's make a deal. what's really on the table when president trump meets with kim jong-un. we'll break it all down. ways to lthe northern belly fat. percussion massage.
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some of its footprint and the americans want to see denuclearization on this. what does the u.s. have in terms of leverage to get what it wants? what does north korea have to get what it wants? >> well, what the u.s. -- the biggest leverage the united states has is economic sanctions. >> right. >> what kim jong-un wants more than anything else is he wants economic sanctions to be eased off, ideally to be removed so that his economy can begin to recover. his country has been essentially under siege for years. he can't trade normally with other countries. he wants to break out of that and run a normal economy. >> is the issue of sanctions solely a united states thing. are these multi-national sanctions or bilateral sanctions and which ones are we likely to see it? >> if the united states sends a signal okay we're doing business with the north koreans everything else dissolves and that's the ace card that president trump is holding, that's the one thing that he can give that kim jong-un wants most
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of all from trump. what kim jong-un has on his side is he has nuclear weapons which president trump has said over and over and over again he wants to see those nuclear weapons gone, gone quickly and unilaterally. >> a lot say nuclear weapons may be tough for the north koreans to give up and they may instead of nuclear weapons they may offer ballistic missiles and intercontinental ballistic missiles. >> keep in mind not only nuclear weapons, he's got chemical and possibly biological weapons. he's got short distance missiles which threaten south korea and range and the long range intercontinental ballistic missiles which threaten the united states, so most probably kim's first gambit is going to be i take the icbms off so the united states is no longer within the range of my nuclears. can we start a conversation there. that's going to most likely be the first thing he puts on the table. >> all right. let's go to u.s. troops for a moment. why is this such a sensitive issue for the north koreans, and states realistically could give
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up if anything on that -- on that front? mean, we have thousands of troops in japan and south korea. we do military exercises, anything likely to change there? >> there have been mixed signals. historically north korea, it's wrangled north korea that there's so many united states troops, the troops that stood between the united states and north korea and more recently signals from the north saying, you know what, we might not insist on those troops being taken away. we might find a way to live with that. we've never heard kim jong-un say that but there's intermediaries saying that, so that may not be a deal-maker ordeal breaker at this stage. >> let mow hone in on these two. these are very interesting. abductees and normalization of relations. obviously that's something that north korea wants big time. they want normalized relations especially with a country like the united states and we're watching the abductees issue. how does that matter. >> remember how enraged the united states was when the north
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koreans took americans hostage and otto warmbier died shortly after being released. if president trump takes any overriding request from our allies into the region it's going to be about the abductees. the japanese want their citizens back and the south koreas want their citizens back. >> there's still human rights and whether north korea will make any progress on that and whether they will get a peace deal. >> the united states has dangled the prospect of aid. it's not necessary that the united states wants aid from the u.s. they are much more likely to get it from the south and chinese. they want the u.s. to take the sanctions off so that that aid can be brought.
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great. thanks for breaking it down. see how it all plays out in 24 hours from now. >> still ahead, the view from above. the canadians react to the smack-down on their prime minister justin trudeau and the picture that sums up the g7 summit. we said, they said is coming up next. not the kind of freak who wears a suit of armor to a renaissance fair. nay, noth mark! mark is a jimmy john's kickin' ranch freak. look at him, pureeing hot cherry peppers into fresh buttermilk with the fervor of a kid at the gates of an amusement park. yes, mark's a glorious kickin' ranch freak. and we totally love him for it. let the dippins beginins. freaky fresh. freaky fast. jimmy john's. freak yeah. you wouldn't accept frfrom any one else. fast. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.
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pressing concerns. the g7 summit isn't usually known for its controversies but this year's fireworks have shown us that the standard rules no longer apply. >> donald trump picking fights over twitter with just about all the leaders present. >> president trump making the cover of "the economist" perch atop a wrecking ball intending to be planet earth inspired by a miley cyrus musi video. just above the illustration the headline reads "america's foreign policy" and another political cartoon, this time in france's publication, trump is depicted as darth said, the phantom menace. trump wasn't exactly looking forward to the summit in the first place, but once there he lashed out against our closest allies for unfairly taking advantage of the united states, he said, and insisting that russia be reinstated after it was kicked out for annexing crimea and invading ukraine four
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years ago. >> he left shaking things up just as he intended. >> the remaining members of the g7 worked late into the night hammering out a communique and what seemed like a done deal fell apart. >> compromise and then conflict. had a showdown of trade over the g7 summit gets nasty. donald trump's jaw dropping reversal on a statement of unity. the character assassination of the prime minister who had signed off on success. >> the headline "withdrawer in chief" and angela merkel calling trump's about-face on twitter sobering and disheartening and if a picture is worth 1,000 words then this one is simply priceless. angry allies are seen pretty much staring down an increasingly isolated president
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trump there with his national security adviser. the meltdown in canada starkly different from another rather harmonious gathering thousands of miles away. al jazeera english holding this summit. china hosted summit and unity and president putin said let's stop babbling and get back to real work. i'm joined by peter mckay, a former member of parliament and former minister in canada. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> let me get your reactions to what happened in the last 24 hours. the sharp words that have come out of this administration towards your country. are you at all surprised by the attacks on the prime minister? >> yes, somewhat. unfortunate, unhelpful to be sure. when you have the iranian regime
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and the russia president telling us we need to start working more haar mopiously this is how things have fallen. i think we need to reset what just happened and try not to overreact or escalate from a trade perspective, from an economic standpoint. this is where these spats, if you will, have a real impact on working people, and that's where i think our concern has to be. >> let me ask you a two-farther. one is the narrative that president trump is pushing is that canada has been taking advantage of the united states, that canadians have a heavily regulated dairy industry that makes it difficult for u.s. farmers to sell across the border. is it safe to say regardless of the tone or rhetoric, does the president have a valid point, that america has been taken care of by its close ale? >> well, no. i don't think that there's valid evidence of that. i do believe all the economic
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numbers will show that in fact the united states has a surplus. in fact, boys more goods from canada than any other country. in fact, we buy more u.s. product, and so to that degree we have a very important intertwined economy. our managed dairy system. there are more dairy cows in wisconsin than in all of canada so we're not having that kind of a negative impact on any sector of the u.s. economy. our steel, aluminum, softwood, these are all integral products for the energy. our energy supplies, and most importantly is our history, our history of working together around security issues, around intelligence-sharing, so that's why i say we need to work towards a de-escalation now and get back to what's important and working with our closest allies and friends. i know this can become personal and an element of that has played out over the last few days at this g-7, but at a person-to-person
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country-to-country level there's no closer two countries on the planet, and we're good friends. i take a lot of solace from the words of senator john mccain and his perspective, and i think we need to get past this -- this particular breakdown in relations and move forward in a much more positive and much more productive communicative way. >> to that point. you brought up the tweet of senator john mccain who reassured canada that america and the majority of americans still believe in a lot of values and principles. are you surprised you're not hearing more support coming out of the president's own party, the republican party, in expressing that kind of solidarity? it's the senators who are either about to leave office or retiring that are the ones critical of this kind of alienation of our allies? >> well, i don't -- i don't want to comment on what their motives are. i think there's a bit of loathing and there's a lot of room for canadians to continue to reach out across the border,
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not only politically but to work with sector representatives, to work with chambers of commerce and work with individuals who we've shared such an historic and abiding relationship. i can speak to the military-to-military relationship which is absolutely critical to north america, and i think that going forward we have to emphasize that importance, and particularly when we see the -- our let's say not so friendly countries who rex pressing in my view a great deal of enjoyment as to what is happening in the fraying of the relationships in the west. we did miss an opportunity, and i want to say it now. we're grateful to president trump for what he's undertaking on the korean peninsula, his efforts in singapore are extremely important and we wish him the very best. this is doing all western countries and peace-loving countries a tremendous service, and so to that degree we're grateful for what he's undertaking. >> very quickly, sir. 30 seconds level. do you agree with your prime
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minister, the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau works sounded pretty tough on the fact that canada would impose tariffs of its own if in fact the united states went ahead with its own set of tariffs. is that the kind of rhetoric that you're talking about wanting both sides to de-escalate, but your canadian prime minister seems to really have ratcheted up some of the rhetoric as well saying canada won't be pushed around. >> well, we don't want to be pushed around. don't want that perception domestically or internationally and we have to play the ball or the man or the puck as we would say in canada. we've got to get beyond any sort of personal slights or difficulties here. there's too much at stake, and on a trade relationship like think believe that we are going to get through this. we'll get back to the discussions at nafta. we'll find a way on autos and just as we will on energy, on softwood, on steel. we have to do so for the good of the people of both countries, and i think history has proven that we are much, much stronger what we're united and we're
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working in a positive fashion so it's my hope that that will occur and cooler heads will prevail. >> peter mackay with the hockey reference and i can only imagine if president trump had said something about the canadian hockey team. that might have been the red line. >> i'll congratulate the washington capitals. >> peter mackay, former foreign minister of canada. thanks for joining us. >> could this war of words with our allies lead to casualties? we'll explore the dangers of breaking up the western alliance and tonight a revolution on the recent code conference attended by many so of the titans technology. a conversation with the state of protection policies at facebook especially after the cambridge analytica scandal. why wasn't anyone fired. >> on all of these fronts we're
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all right. time for our global checkup and a look what the is making headlines around the world. we begin in guatemala where authorities are ordering evacuations as fresh lava pours from mount fuego. it killed 200 people. a fire in a warehouse in baghdad can be seen for miles. the building was used to store ballots for the election and a count of the votes is being planned. their destruction could be a set back and accusations of fraud and finally raphael nadal is the winner of the french open. he beats seventh seeded use dri aus trillion dominic and that's our
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global checkup. one of the biggest global stories remains the fallout from the g 7 summit and president trump's confrontation with key u.s. allies, especially canada. the consequences of the dispute are not just economic but bad relations with u.s. allies actually means an impact on u.s. national security. back with me once again is natasha, staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc terrorism and intelligence analyst. malcolm, let me begin with you. we've talked about the g 7 from an economic perspective, what this means for trade and tariffs but i want you to give us a different perspective. how much do we rely on allies for key intelligence and how does something that what we witnessed over the past 24 hours endanger or how does it endanger that intelligence partnership? >> well, it's absolutely critical that we have these deep international relationships with key allies. the good example of how this impacts our national security is
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the morning after 9/11 when we were struck by al qaeda terrorists, it was canada. the canadian ambassador to the united states that invoked article five of the nato charter bringing about all 28 nations to come to the aid and rescue of the united states after it had been attacked and canada has been in combat in afghanistan, they are still with us in afghanistan and until recently they were fighting with us alongside iraq. when we fray these relationships, when we attack our own allies, we lose our greatest strength that we fought and had men die for in world war ii, which was to create an international order that is rules based and in which all of us have collective security, not just individual security. >> natasha, to that point on the relationship, the president always, you know, makes the
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narrative that the united states is being taken advantage of economically and with the issue of trade but when it comes to security and intelligence, is it an equal playing field? do they need more intelligence than we need more of theirs or how do you see it? >> well, there is no doubt that the u.s. intellige apparatus is the best in the world but there are significant ways that other countries do help the u.s. in terms of intelligence gathering, in terms of disrupting terrorism and geographic access by the u.s. to other countries where there might be a stake or national security interest by the united states. i mean, these are all, it's a really, really common practice for the u.s. to share intelligence but also a very delicate one and relies on trust and i think that one of the biggest issues that we saw arise out of this came last year when the president was in the oval office with the russian al ba
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ambassador and foreign minister and he disclosed intelligence given to the united states by the israelis and the israelis changed the way they shared intelligence with the united states. even the president has shown a track record for this kind of thing before and now that he's drifting closer and closer towards vladimir putin, kim jong-un and farther away from the g 7 and allies we had for hundreds of years, this is something that's going to really start to erode the trust that these countries have in the president's ability to keep his mouth shut. >> so to that point, malcolm, not only will it erode the confidence of our allies and trusting the president to keep his mouth shut, do you think this will give our allies a pause the next time there is a military operation and we need the support of our allies, i think of iraq and afghanistan, i spent a lot of time in both and seen european, canadian troops on the ground fighting among americans trying to stabilize
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the countries. will they be less likely too with us on one of these operations next time? >> no, at the level zero level, the street level where we're carrying out tactical, regional and theater operations, those relationships will endure. as a matter of fact, the only adult left in the room in the white house is secretary of defense mattias and he is a no nonsense form erma reer marine running the department the way it should be. he's keeping those relationships. the problem is, he has to go around like a nurse made and assure our allies, the relationships whether it's operational security, intelligence, the things we cannot trust the president on are secure when we come to the pentagon. it's the more covert operations, the very, very cloperations whe they need support from the cia or csa in which it would have to
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require a national command authority signature. that's the president's authorization for these national mission unit missions. those are the ones that our allies are really going to think twice about before they cooperate with us. >> natasha, very quickly. we have ten seconds. do you think there is any -- are you surprise that republicans have not been more critical of this president on the world stage the way he alienated allies? >> no, given their track record and failing to kind of, you know, hold the president accountable for any of the actions he's taken unprecedented, this is not surprising in the least. >> natasha calling it as she sees it very bluntly. thank you very much that will do it for this week. join me next sunday to break down the stories of the week. reap o reach out to me on social media and join kasie hunt at 7:00 but next is "revolution" tech titans shaping the future.
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