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that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm chris jansing. katy tur picks up our coverage. >> what a day! >> cannot make it up. >> if you did, people would laugh at you. it's 2:00 p.m. here in the east and 2:00 a.m. in singapore where in just seven hours president trump will confront what barack obama told him would be the most urgen problem he would face as leader of the free world. trump's high-stakes sums with kim jong-un is scheduled to start at 9:00 p.m. eastern.
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but no matter what happens tonight, the fact that these two men will even occupy the same space is in and of itself historic. it is the first time a sitting u.s. president has met with a north korean leader. and it is a meeting that just last year seemed improbable. remember back when trump and kim were trading crazy sounding insults on the world stage. they went after each other's perm appearance, agpersonal app and the size of their nuclear buttons. today kim andrump will come face to face. kim jong-un was out on the town in advance of the meeting. snapping sell fi inping selfies. secretary of state pompeo providing some insight into president trump's mindset with
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just hours to go. >> the complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the only outcome that the united states will accept. thanks sanctions will remain until north korea completely and verifiably abandons its nuclear weapons program. those two people will be sitting in a room together tomorrow. and then there was this. former nba star dennis rodman is also in singapore. for some reason. he told reporters to couch their expectations. >> people should not expect so much for the firstme. the door'sopen. >> is this exciting for you, mr. rodman, to be here? >> it is exciting to be a part of it. that's the main thing. exciting to be a part of it. >> the big question we are asking today, how much progress will president trump, alone, be able to make with kim jong-un other than the photo-op?
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kelly o'donnell and bill neely are both in singapore. the choreography of this event which is tonight for us, today for you over there in singapore, how is it going to go down? the two men are coming in from different sides of the room? >> yes. what we expect that will be most notable is that there will be time for donald trump and kim jong-un and their translators to be alone togetr and to have an opportunity to size each other up, to get to know each other, to continue whatever sort of communication has existed between them up until now. n that the president has not publicly answered the question when asked if they have spoken in the past. we know that there have been letters exchangesed betwed betw. this will be a real test by both men of what do they want out of this? with the flashes and celebrity that's surrounded this, the interest and attention from a serious point of view, as well as just the event quality of some big thing that's happening
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which you could get really anywhere in the world and singapore has certainly embraced this as the host country, that this is an important event and they are happy to be a part of it. so you'll have this chance for the sort of stage craft of seeing the two men approach each other. they'll have time to speak alone. that is so notable because typically in high-stakes diplomatic encounters there is a note taker, a series of -- if nothing more, witnesses. and certainly serious high-level associates of each person to help with the conversation. that will not be taking place as far as we know. so the world will have to rely on the memories of donald trump and kim jong-un, their own assessment of what that meeting is, what words are exchanged between them, what promises, if any. and then later in the day they will have a chance to have a more traditional type of delegation to delegation meeting. president trump had forecast willingness to stay for a couple of days, if that was required. so in some ways, when the
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updated white house guidance of his planned departure not long after the day's events, that seems a bit of a surprise. although they had never declared when he would be leaving. but he had left that door open. so it is curious to see, is there still any wiggle room or really the result of the meetings going to be something that -- when you have dennis rodman managing expectations, perhaps we should all take note of that. that perhaps they're dialing back what could be achieved here. of course the president has said it is really about building a relationship. >> bill, the optics already are, let's just put it -- interesting. kelly mentioned dennis rodman who showed up in singapore for some reason. kim jong-un though, such a notoriously reclusive guy, out on the town in singapore. what do you make of all that? >> absolutely extraordinary. remember the phrase "expect the unexpected," katy? not only was he out of his hotel tonight, i think he's out of his international isolation.
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and that's a win for kim jong-un already before that historic handshake even takes place. and that will take his reputation just that little bit further because it will be recognition from the united states. but really, extraordinary images tonight as kim jong-un left his hotel for at least two hours. he toured some of the sights here at the water front in singapo singapore. there were selfies with the singapore education minister. he was greeted like a rock star at a luxury hotel. in the lobby they were cheering. he went up to the 57th floor to have a look at a city say the that he would like pyongyang to be like. i mean this is an asian success story here. a financial center. a place that came from relative poverty. and i think this is what perhaps kim jong-un was anxious to see. because that's the promise that's at the end of what the
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united states is suggesting if he gives up nuclear weapons, there could be peace and prosperity. so kim jong-un had an extraordinary evening, but he's also being, we assume, preparing for this summit and preparing his people, katy. because unusually, on north korean television, and in the north korean newspapers, they've almost been covering it not live, but as it's happened. now normally -- for example, the visit to china, we didn't know about that until kim jong-un was back in pyongyang. this visit is being reported the main news anchor, the famous woman who anchors north korea's news has been talking about wonderful singapore. they've been talking about a meeting with donald j. trump. on the front page of the newspaper, they've been talking about a new opportunity and a new era, which north korea will grasp. so people in north korea are being prepared for a possible shift in relations.
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but of course, we won't know anything concrete until the meeting in a few hours' time. >> it seems like, bill, they're declaring victory before meeting even started. the optics of kim jong-un walking around singapore being ted, as you said, as a rock star in a hotel when the reputation for this man has always been that he is a dictator and a murderer and extraordinarily oppressive. for him to be fetted the way it seems like he's been fetted from this news coverage, seals like it is a win for him. >> let's just say there are two faces for kim jong-un. there's kim jong-un the human rights abuser. the u.n. says north korea is among the worst human rights abusing states in the world. the man who poisoned with nerve agent his half brother who knew this city very well and indeed who knew the st. regis hotel
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where kim jong-un is staying. there's that kim jong-un. and there's what we saw this evening, the smiling, relaxed leader who wants to be out of international isolation. but, y know, which was it? was this a genuine attempt to show his new face? or was this some kind of cynical diplomatic moment.age of of tth i suppose that question lies at the heart of what might happen tomorrow and in the months to come. is he sincere or is he just the smiling face behind a cunning dictator that has not changed his ways. and again, the cynics would say -- i, frankly, haven't talked to any expert that really thinks kim jong-un is going to give up his nuclear weapons. you know, we simply don't know if that so-called transformation is genuine or not. >> which brings us back to our big question, how much progress account president really make one-on-one with kim jong-un after the cameras leave.
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nbc's kelly o'donnell and bill neely in singapore, guys, get some rest. big, big day tomorrow. appreciate it. christopher hill, former u.s. ambassador to south korea. he's also an msnbc diplomacy expert. su mi teri and mike the beschloss. so glad you are here to make sense of all this with us. i saw the three of you all chuckling as bill talk about the north korea leader being greeted as a rock star and paraded around singapore with all this confidence as if he is not the man that the world has gotten used to or known up until now. what was your initial impress n impression? >> this is exactly what kim jong-un was looking and hope in for. he's very different from his father in that regard. it's his father who was
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introverted. he likes to go around and be social. >> but not in foreign countries. >> but getting a lot of international recognition and legacy as a normal leader of a normal country. he now gets to sit down with president of the united states. so i think he's already gained by having this meeting with president trump. i think he is also gained by having all this diplomacy in the last few months because again he looks like a normal leader. he has already weakened a political will for sanctions implementation. we've heard of china loosening implementation of sanctions on the ground. what happens with this summit it is very hard for us to get back to maximum pressure and he has gained. the bar is so low, the fact that when they got nuclear weapons, everyone said we got to figure out what to do about this now. the bar is so low, so him just going out and walking around and taking selfies, suddenly i guess we can deal with this guy? >> well, frankly, in all this hoopla you don't get a sense the
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north koreans are going to give up their weapons. i think it is important to understa that what makes this historical is president trump is the first u.s. president to agree to meet with these guys. when i was working on the north korean negotiations, i tried to get president bush to send kim jong-un a letter and he looked at me like i was crazy. this was the attitude and quite understandably because the north koreans had done so little and were just looking for so muchn terms of international recognition. so we have a long way to go on this. >> what is a win for president trump? what's a win for this administration? >> judging from the fact that is he going to leave early. that's already a win. i was worried that he'd stay a couple of days and actually try to negotiate nuclear weapons. so this suggests, actually, that he's going to somehow have an introductory meeting and say, look, we're going to continue this and i'm going to have my experts meet with their experts and see what we can do. so that is kind of some return to professionalism. i hope that's really what's happening. at any rate, it really kind of
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scares me to have our president with kim jong-il -- kim jong-un with a couple of interpreters in the room. i hope that doesn't go too long. >> i want to get to that in a moment, but i want the historical significance of this. give us a bigger picture, michael. >> i feel the same as chris, it stairs me, too. this is weird. this is not the way presidents operate. the other thing that presidents do normally in history that you don't see here is normally they've had a -- some history in diplomacy. nixon did. ronald reagan did. years of dealing with other leaders. and they also had some modesty about what they do not know. so if nixon, for instance, at the beginning of his presidentdy did not know a lot about china, he read and he talked to experts and he realized that he had a lot to learn. what i'm really worried about with president trump is this whole thing, i'm god's gift, i will go in this a moment and i will know within 30 seconds
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whether there will be a deal or not, and whether i know the history of north korea doesn't matter. it does matter. >> what traps could he fall into with the north koreans if the president and kim jong-un are just meeting one-on-one with just interpreters? >> first, i'm glad this is now 45 minutes versus two hours. but that he could give away too much right away. he's already talk about concluding a peace treaty which would be historic and sounds great in theory and end the korean war. but it does undermine rationale for u.s. troop presence in south korea and on. that should come at the end of the process, not at the beginning. i'm very concerned president trump would put all of this on the table too fast when again as ambassador hill said, north korea has no shown they are truly willing to denuclearize as we define them. >> how do they define denuclearization? >> they define it as denuclearization of the korean peninsula if the region and security is guaranteed, if the u.s. hostile policy ends. what does that mean? end of u.s./south korea
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alliance. if u.s. ends the extended nuclear umbrella we have over south korea and japan. this white different definition has not been narrowed yet. >> the president campaigned though on this idea that there's too many troops around the world, we're not the world peacekeepers, we're spending too much money having military bases in other places. he saw it not as our protection but as protecting other countries. so given that, would he potentially be willing to take our troops off the korean nsular umbrella there? >> you bet. what we saw from this g7 summit was this is a president with a really illusive sense of what an alliance is, so there is a lot of reasons to be concerned. and he might say something like, yeah, i'd like to reduce the u.s. presence in south korea and then talk about somehow the dollars and cents of it. but in fact, in north korea it would be read as a huge win. by the way, i'd be careful of
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the no eggs that somehow north korea fears for their safety where their they need nuclear weapons. i feel it's far more complex than that, and frankly, far more offensive than that. >> elaborate on that. >> well, the idea that somehow wee are plottinto attack them and therefore they need nuclear weapons, there's no evidence for that, we've never done that. more likely they're trying to say to the americans, if you get involved in one of our issues on the korean peninsula -- we will target your civilians. and hoping that over the years this will weaken the u.s. resolve to be involved in case we have to be on the korean peninsula. so it is basically a strategy aimed at decoupling the u.s. from our ally south korea, which is bad enough there. but can take place elsewhere. we are a country that depends on these alliances worldwide. which is why everyone was so shocked at what happened at the g7. >> we're going to have a lot more on that in jus a moment. but specifically back to north korea.
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what do you say to those people who are making comparisons to nixon and china, trump metering with kim jong-un? >> depends on what the result is. i mean, yes, he's meeting with him and it is historic. but any president could have done this, had the meeting. because the north korean leaders were desperate for it. so that's not the accomplishment. if this leads to something, i think what chris was saying earlier, i would agree with, which is i'm glad to see them together, if this is -- the two leaders giving their blessing to a long process that leads to serious denuclearization of north korea, absolutely terrific. but if this is a big publicity show, it could lead in dangerous directions. >> is this something that could have only happened now with this erratic north korean dictator who people can't seem to get pulse on, our president who people can't seem to get a pulse on, and then you have the south korean president who is looking for peace, peace -- >> i think the north korean leadership would have taken this
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at any time in any decade. i think the big difference is we have a president who doesn't feel constrained by our policy interests, and frankly, is i think prepared to move ahead in the absence of full denuclearization, notwithsg whatecretary pompano tries to say every day. so it really is a cliffhanger. i think that's why we're all kind of anxiously waiting for these last few hours. >> ambassador chris hill, sue mi ter terry, thank you very much. michael beschloss. thank you. tonight we will be watching brian williams, rachel maddow and next coiclaceor a prime time special at 8:00 p.m. eastern. all eyes right here on msnbc. next up, canada says it won't be bullied as the president goes on a twitter iidra... ...the only eye drop... ...approved for the signs... ...and symptoms of dry eye. because dry eye can mean... ...more than... ...just dryness. xiidra may provide lasting relief... ...starting in two weeks. one drop in each eye, twice a day.
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german chancellor angela merkel called it sobering, and a little depressing. a statement from french president emmanuel macron's statement said international cooperation cannot be based on little fits. justin trudeau, big tough guy once he a he back on his airplane. can't do it in person and knows it which makes him feel weak. adding he's a pathetic little man child. also look at this. germany posted this picture on its official social media feeds. president trump sitting with his arms crossed, allies looking as
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if they're pleading with him to listen. suffice it to say, america's friends are not happy with america's president and the way that he behaved at the g7, arriving late, leaving and abruptly pulling out of the traditional joint statement. jonathan lemire from the associated press, and an msnbc political asian-americnalyst. eli stokols. jennifer reuben, "the washington post"'s blog. just tin trudeau going after president trump and the president's advisors saying there is a special place in hell for trudeau. why is the president going after our allies to the north which have been nothing but nice to us? >> for generations.
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yeah. the rhetoric really escalating. for saying a special place in hell for -- >> as he with kim jong-un, accused of murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people. the dichotomy is very crazy. >> that incendiary rhetoric is reminiscent of what president trump acted last summer, now calling him very honorable. president trump's made so much of his message about the idea the nation is being treated unfairly by even its long-time allies. he has little to no respect for the historical tradition here of how long and how closely aligned nations like canada or the uk or france or germany have been to the united states. that's not how he thinks. it is about upheaval. he respects other strong itaria.
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and when trudeau's remarks after the summit ended were relatively mild. he was saying that he would defend canada's own self interest, something the president has said he respects, he understands nations have to stand up for themselvesbut in t an insult and lashed out from a rather petulant fashion. >> we have a trade surplus with canada, fyi, president trump. there is an interesting quote from a white house official defining the trump doctrine. i asked trump what his doctrine was during the campaign. he didn't want to put a name on it. "we're america," "b"-word. take it away. >> they put it another way.
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basically their foreign policy means to "f" obama, which is undoing everything that obama did. there's this sense of sort of destruction and chaos in trump's view, a very mercantilist of america's policy. what happened at the g7 in canada over the weekend is arguably a bigger story than whatever comes out of this mostly superficial first meeting in singapore tonight because we're watching the sort of disillusion of this hugely important alliance, stabilizing force in the world for nearly 80 years.disintegrates, that is going to make the world a less safe place and the president doesn't really seem to worry about that and he doesn't seem to value the values that have held that coalition together. him saying that russia should be reason sta reenstate at the beginning of the g7 underlines that. russia was kick out because they annexed crimea.
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that's something that based on the shared values, small d democratic values, g7 countries do not believe that's a value any share. with donald trump that's sort of out the window. donald trump lashed out at trudeau after trudeau said the said thing he'd been saying for a week standing up for his only national interests just like donald trump says he respects and understands when foreign leaders do it. >> people are surprised when donald trump goes out and behaves like this. but if you watched him during the campaign, if you watched him throughout his life, this should not be surprising, jennifer. this is the way he operates. i can do this alone. he believes america can go at it alone, america is in his mind the 400-pound gorilla in the room and everybody needs us more than we need them and who cares what our allies think, they're push-overs, i'm going to go and do this historic summit with kim jong-un. and then nobody can question my authority or my abilities. is that the sense that you're getting? >> absolutely. none of this is a surprise.
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in fact, many of us who warned that this would happen were called som hysterical. but of course he is, as he has always been. not only is he taking this nationalistic tone, but it is really just about him personally. it's not in america's interests to destroy the international trading system. it may be in his because he's been a mercantilist and protectionist his entire life based upon a complete non-understanding of international trade. but it doesn't inure to america's benefit. i think he sees himself as the only test of whether something is successful. if he's at the center of attention, if he's creating controversy, if he's creating a disturbance, if the press is all talking about him, that is a good day for him. and it doesn't really matter how it all turns out. >> it doesn't matter what anyone is saying. he will burley one headline with the next headline.
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during the campaign when he wasn't getting a lot of attention because everybody was talking about president obama's tariff speech, few hours later he came out with a muslim ban. suddenly headlines were all back on him. where are the republicans, though, jennifer? where are the republicans, especially when you think of what mitch mcconnell said or what paul ryan said in 2012, blasting the obama administration for leaving allies to doubt us and adversies to test us. where are the republicans speaking out against this other than john mccain who's been pretty staunchly against the president since the campaign. >> they're hiding under their desks. this is really the shame of it. this is really the moral outrage. people have spent their entire lives talking about a strong america, america leading the west, american values, are absolutely mute when it comes to president trump. where is tom cotton? where is ted cruz? where is marco rubio? these people are hiding under the desk. you know what marco rubio was
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tweeting about today? chick-fil-a. i don't know what oession he has but you think he might say something about the attack on on ourlosest allies. these people are running scared. they have somehow convinced hem selves that by tying themselves as tightly to trump as possible, their base will turn out and save them. in the meantime, they've really sacrificed an entire career's worth of rhetoric, of beliefs, of work. and it is nothing less than shameful. >> let's talk about that base. nbc's vaughn hilliard talked to some farmers who would be affected by the tariffs on canada. listen. >> we don't want to see protectionist policies come into place. that's not going to get us where we want to be. >> these tariffs though at this moment, you're okay with? >> well, i'm not shaking in my boots but i don't like them. >> hardball may play out. but in the meantime, since the first day of june to today the price of corn has dropped 8% or 9%. >> eli, what's going to happen
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to donald trump's base? >> i mean for everything we've seen no matter what he does, most of the base will stay with him. we've even seen people who have been directly affected, whether they're farmers, whether they're people in the seafood industry on the eastern shore of maryland, by this administration's policies. we've seen them say into the camera, i don't like this policy but i still support this president. and the people who are less rectly affected seems like nothing is going to change their support. donald trump -- trumpism is about trump. at the end of the day. it is not about policy. and i think this may affect things on the margins but there's no indication it will be more than that. >> what do you make of this blind devotion to a man, even when it is not in your even self-interests? how does he get that? is it because donald trump supporters hate everybody else more than they don't like or don't care for our policy or what the president is doing? do they hate the media? do they hate washington? do they hate the coast so much that they're willing to hurt
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themselves? >> first, there is just this culture of grievance. things have not gone right for them in terms of -- i don't want to paint with a broad brush but some of trump' supporters, the argument he articulated during the campaign was you have been lefd behind, thatthereople have got a better deal, whether -- some international organization is doing better and your expense. he tapped into that anger. at least at this point they are willing to follow that along even though their actual day to day lives are negativity impacted by a lot of what he proposes. but they believe in him, they think is he a champion for them and they seem to believe that at least at some point down the road he'll win. and if if he wins, they'll win. >> despite it, they believe the media, some of them, at least, are a bunch of liars. i had this amazing conversation with a trump supporter about immigration and obama's deportation policy and how many deportations he had done. i presented this person with pew stats. i mean everything.
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the guy looked at me and said i don't believe you. i don't believe you. >> part of what trump has done so effectively is undermine the credibility of institutions. the federal government. justice department. in particular the media. where we're in a position where it is hard to present facts and have them be accepted at face value. >> pew stats, guys. pew stats. no one's arguing with pew. guys, thank you very much. next up, the one issue president trump will not bring up with north korea's dictator. stay with us. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too. mbc doesn't take a day off, and neither will i. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio- the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. in fact, verzenio is a cdk4 & 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- mbc, approved, with hormonal therapy, as an everyday treatment
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much of president trump's upcoming summit with north korean leader kim jong-un is shrouded in mystery but we do know that one topic will not be on the table. that topic is human rights violations in the hermit kingdom. a 2014 united nations report accused north korea of, quote, unspeakable atrocities that resembled the horrors of camps that totalitarian states established during the 20th century. a lot ask if not now, when?
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>> with me now, "new york times" opinion columnist nicholas ch s christoff. i know we use vague conditions to describe conditions in north korea. 80,000 to 130,000 political prisoners. forced starvation. routine public executions. torture. al and sexual assaults. the president's not bringing it up. should he? >> absolutely. i mean this is a betrayal of otto warmbier, the university of virginia student who died after he was arrested in north korea. it is a betrayal of a 13-year-old japanese girl who was kidnapped by north koreans. it is a betrayal of these 100,000, or so, north koreans who are in prison for things like having south korean pop music and when you are arrested -- when there is an arrest in north korea, it is not just the one individual who has committed the sin of having pop
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music or something. it is a three-generational model. three generations of the family are sent together to a labor camp. and -- >> if i'm caught with something that they don't want, some sort of contraband, it is not onl me it is my parents and my grandparents or my parents and my kids. >> that's exactly right. the whole family. >> even small kids? >> even small kids. this is just revolting. this is -- the report that you cited earlier, the u.n. report. it noted that north korea has no parallel in the world today. and that's exactly right. i've been -- we denounced human rights abuses in iran. i've reported in iran multiple times. i've b arrested in iran. iran is nothing compared to north korea on human rights. and there is this odd juxtaposition where we are now embracing north korea which may be the country most antithetical to the values we purport to live by at the same time we're about
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to go to war with canada, which is maybe our closest ally in values. >> the president's transactional. that's how people describe him when they try to make sense of why he would ignore something and embrace another thing, ignore human rights in order to get a deal on denuclearization. what do you say to those who say it is worth it. i'm sorry about the human rights, i know it is awful but what we need is to make the world safer and denuclearization would get to that point. so a utilitarian view. >> i'm sympathetic to the view that the priority should be denuclearization and i would not want to make human rights a condition of some kind of agreement on nuclear weapons. but, i think there is a difference between making human rights a condition and simply refusing to let the words "human rights" pass the president's lips. >> what do you think about the way kim jong-un's being fetted, the way the president's speaking about him, calling him an "honorable" man. >> i think you can be respectful
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but it doesn't mean you lionize someone in a situation like that. reporters when in north korea are in the situation all the time. we want visas. when there we don't want to be arrested. yet we don't call kim jong-un an honorable man or great person at the same time we avoid discourtesy. it can be done. north koreans are willing to talk about human rights, as lon as they feel that somebody's actually listening, that they're not being lectured. so of course we shouldn't say we're not going to reach a nuclear agreement with the u.n. unless you open up your labor camps. but it is certainly fair for president trump to say, look, if you want better relations with the ode world that's not just a matter of opening up a mcdonald's. it is also a matter of beginning to allow some freedom. they don't have radios in north korea. you can't get a dial radio because then people might get south korean or chinese broadcasts so radios have fixed stations that you can get. you tinker with that and you and
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your whole family are sent off to a labor camp. >> thank you so much for being here. good reminder, you can be respectful without praising somebody. thanks for coming in, as always. . the trump administration's zero tolerance immigration policy is getting more aggressive. while the u.s. continues to separate parents and children at the border. their stories next. it took a whole lot more. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything buy. everything. and that 2% cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year... so i can keep growing my business in big leaps! what's in your wallet? like nothing you, ncy or she, has ever seen. filets of 100% real natural chicken or seafood. handcrafted, and served any way she wants. purely fancy feast filets. love is in the details.
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this morning sessions told immigration judges in washington that the justice department will "redefine" u.s. asylum laws. >> asylum was never meant to alleviate all problems, even all serious problems, if people face every day all over the world. >> according to new federal numbers released last week, 50,000 immigrants tried to come into the u.s. through the mexico border in may, despite what the administration has framed as new deterrent measures. but numbers do not tell the whole story, they don't tell the human story. journalists do. down on the border there is a new trail of tears, reads this headline in the "boston globe." it tells the story of 6-year-old will separated from his father six months ago when they arrived at the boarder from honduras. he watched as his father was taken away in handcuffs, joining
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a long line of other chained men. now before he goes to bed every night he says his prayers and kissed a picture of his parents. he cries and says his stomach hurts. in the "new york times," another story. this one of 5-year-old jose. quote, when he landed in michigan in late may, all of the weary little boy carried was a trash bag stuffed with dirty clothes from his days' long trek across mexico and two small pieces of paper. one, a stick figure drawing of his family from honduras. the other, a sketch of his father who had been arrested and led away after they arrived at the u.s. border in el paso. the first few nights he was with his foster family, he cried himself to sleep. then it turned into just
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moaninged a momoaning ed and moaning. he sleeps through the night but still insists is on tucking the family pictures under his pillow. in an aclu lawsuit against the government, a mother wrote the immigration officers made me walk out with my son to a government vehicle and place my son if a car seat in the vehicle. my son was crying as i put him in the seat. i did not even have a chance to comfort my son because the officers slammed the door shut as soon as he was in the seat. a public defenders told "the boston globe," several of her clients have told her their children were taken away from them by border patrol agents who said they were going to give them a bath. as the hours passed, it dawned on the mothers the kids were not coming back. again this is all happening right now on our southern border, on u.s. soil. while we weren't looking. up next, the end of the internet, as we know it? to be two hundred years old.
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as this morning, the free and open internet as we know it is on life support. trump's fcc has repealed a series of obama era regulations and consumer protections known as net neutrality.
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under the old rules priors like at&t,s verizon and our parent company comcast were required to not prioritize oneebsite over another. now those regulations are gone. we don't know yet how the internet might change going forward. suffice to say without net neutrality in place many warn access to your favorite sites like facebook netflix and amazon cod all become slower and more expensive. with me now, a tech policy reporter for the "washington post." to those of you out there who heard net neutrality and turned the television off i hope you turned it back on. this is important. a lot of folks could see sites that they go to every day slow down. why? >> net neutrality is the idea that a provider has to treat all web traffic equally. under former president president obama the fcc had in place tough rules that prevented internet
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service providers from blocking or slowing down the website and services your user visits and from forcing content companies to pay more in order to have faster delivery of their music and tv shows. but the chairman now has been opposed to the regulations us a he feels it crimps investment by telecom companies. his approach essentially splips net neutrality rules from the federal rules buchter and shifts to it the federal trump administration commission that can go after companies for hurting companies or competition. >> explain what pi is arguing. he is saying it will be a benefit for consumers because there will be a cheaper internet? >> the argument by pi is that the government has other tools to police net neutrality. currently companies have to he
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will tell you what their network management practices are. if at&t or comcast wants to give preference to sites or services it now has to tell consumers it's doing that. the argument by pi is that if you are a company and you lie about it you mislead consumers the trade commission agency can police ith it. if you are on the opposite side of the ledger that's not enough. the ftc hasn't been as robust when it comes to telecommunications agencies as has the federal communications commission. and it is afraid they don't have the right teeth to stop the companies from hurting consumers. the obama administration thought they had to be bright lines in place on net neutrality. >> i hope that the great british bakeoff doesn't slow down. you should watch that show. you should watch it. it is soothing. everyone is making picks they are happy. no one is mean.
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that wraps things up for this hour. ali val she pick your head up? are you ready to go yet? i'm ready to go. it is going to be a long night and there is going to be interesting stuff. >> are you around later. >> i will be around. but i'm interested in seeing what the outcome of this summit schl it's not something we can presuppose. it's unusual. given how g7 went i'm hoping this can't be worse. that's my main goal.
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>> that's what he operates on, incredibly low bars. >> that's right. >> incredibly low bars. just don't insult the person to your face and all of a sudden it is a success. >> there may be complexity to not getting a good result out of this one. i'm ali velshi, exactly six hours from now, 9500 miles from washington president trump is expected to meet north korean leader kim jong-un. to say this historic high stakes moment is an understatement. it's the first time a american president has met with north korea's leader. they have a hefty goal, to erase seven decades of hostility and nuclear threats. the administration remained tightipped how it will achieve its goal of complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula. we heard from one guest who showed up in singapore hours before the


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