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incredibly low bars. >> that's right. >> incredibly low bars. just don't insult the person to your face and all of a sudden it is a success. >> there may be complexity to not getting a good result out of this one. i'm ali velshi, exactly six hours from now, 9500 miles from washington president trump is expected to meet north korean leader kim jong-un. to say this historic high stakes moment is an understatement. it's the first time a american president has met with north korea's leader. they have a hefty goal, to erase seven decades of hostility and nuclear threats. the administration remained tightipped how it will achieve its goal of complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula. we heard from one guest who showed up in singapore hours before the meeting. >> the door is open.
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>> is it exciting for you to be here? >> exciting to be a part of it. >> the summit comes on the heels of trump's controversial showing at the g.. over the weekend, the president went after one of america's closest allies, unleashing a scathing sear of tweets slamming canada's prime minister, justin trudeau. now germany's chancellor angela merkel hayes any response on the tariffs are going to come at a quote european level. with me now, nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, and nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. kelly, we are six hours away from the beginning of this. >> there is a lot of anticipation here, as there would be for any sort of gleebl event beyond the serious subject matter of nuclear talks there is an energy that has come to this city state of singapore and
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certainly a lot of attention around the world. when you consider the time difference a morning meeting of 9:00 a.m. here in singapore results in a candidate p.m. in the united states. which is typically the time if the president wanted to make a serious announcement to the nation he would ask the networks for that time slot. the president gets primetime slot when it comes to this first encounter with kim jong-un. they have 15 minutes in the schedule for the initial meeting. it will be recorded here and perhaps replayed for years or decades to come to show that image of an american president and a north korean leader one with a history of deception and misdeeds on the human scale, come together for this turn of perhaps new relationships. then there will be an opportunity, 45 minutes built in for the president and kim to have a bilateral conversation. that's documentic talk for just the two of them. and their translators. then it will be expanded to
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include the delegations, people with expertise and support for each leader so that -- consider that the secretary of state, the national security adviser, the top working group negotiators for both countries who have been dealing with all of the detail about what is on the table. and then there will be a lunch. in part, this give us -- i think this is the influence the president not the north korean leader. there are intervals throughout this series of meetings where there will be some degree of press coverage, wch is certainly unusual. and singapore not the most open in terms of press coverage so there are some redescriptions. but we will have opportunities to see and have the american people assess themselves the body language, the sort of -- what you can learn from seeing interaction. do they look at ease? are they smiling? are they talking? there will be those sorts of opportunities, which gives us some bit of insight until later when we learn the results. >> right.
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>> also interesting, the president had forecast he was willing to stay a day, maybe three. i think when we look back on this, ali, it will be important to see what caused the sort of hurry-up schedule based on what the president was willing to do. now it's a more condensed schedule. he will do a news conference with the credentialed media, the president by himself, to th with kim. and then begin the journey home. the president anticipated and forecast a willingness to stay longer. that is not the plan now unless that's tactical to say we are going to extend and that means things are going well. we on the know yet. but that will be determined later on when we learn what is going to go on in the time line that we don't yet see. >> bill neely, let's assume this doesn't implode, it's already been something of a success for kim jong-un because he had the media following him around today as he walked around singapore in the late evening singapore time.
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tell me about what his preparation for this summit is looking like. >> well, guess who hogged the limelight today? guess who will get the photographs on the front pages of newspapers? it was kim jong-un, who left the hotel for just two hours, but in a wholly unexpected fashion. we think he was preparing earlier on, but for two hours he was out of the hotel, and i think ali, we can now say he is out of international isation. because this was like the tour of some kind of rock star, at least that's how he was greeted in one luxury hotel where he went up to the 57th floor to admire singapore's skyline, a skyline i think he would like the replicate in his capital, pyongyang. so what was this all about? was this a natural curiosity of a 34-year-old leader who frankly hasn't been out very much? was it the cynical ploy of a man who loves to manipulate images? or was this part of his simple
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makeover, his charm offensive, his desire to be seen as a normal leader of a normal auntry? hfterll is behind the north korean push. that's what he wants tomorrow with the hand shake and with the summit. he wants international recognition. but most of all, the respect of the united states, something that his father and his grandfather failed to get that he hopes to get. he has also been preparing his people. on north korean trefls and in the north korean newspaper they have been preparing people for what they have been calling a new beginning and a new era. on north korean tv their most famous anchor has been talking gushingly about beautiful singapore and mentioning in his full name the words donald j. trump. so north koreans are prepared for what might happen tomorrow.
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one thing about the schedule ali struck me. i think it is a risk worth highlighting is the one on one, the 45 minutes or so that have been set aside when the two leaders just sit down with translators. in other words, no note takers, no written record of what is agreed by the two men. so they can come out -- actually, they can tell the world entirely different things, or donald trump could tweet something maybe based on his memory or maybe based on something else. i mean, this, along with all the opportunities at this summit there are ge risks. that strikes me as just the first of them. >> bill neely, thanks very much. kelly o'donnell. much the cover. we begin our full time coverage of the at 8:00 p.m. top. hours before the meeting mike pompeo called this a quote
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mission of peace but also affirmed that firm american objective. >> the ultimate objective we seek with diplomacy of north korea has not changed. the complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the yoenl outcome that the united states will accept. >> questions remain over what exactly that complete verifiable denuclearization entails and what diplomacy looks will like. let's bring in michael allen, worked with george w. bush and now the managing director of beacon global strategy. also with us, mike fuchs, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for east asia and pacific affairs. now a senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you for being here. michaelen, let's start with you. we are just not going into this summit, this meeting with a clear view of what is supposed to -- what success looks like on the other side.
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mike pompeo stated what complete verifiable denuclearization as a goal looks like. but this is -- this doesn't look like enough of a summit to actually achieve that sort of a goal. >> i think that's exactly right. it's going to take too long to hammer out those details. i think what they have set expectations for tonight is sort of a great public relations bonanza for both leaders. and i think the united states is signed up to a fundamental bargain here, which is that as the secretary of state said this morning, we are willing to put fundamental security assurances on the table. what does that mean? that means we are likely to offer to reduce the number of u.s. troops on the korean peninsula in exchange for real denuclearization. i think that is what pompeo is signaling this morning. we'll see if it comes to fruition when the leaders meet tonight. >> mike fuchs, i want to just put something up on the screen that was in the "washington
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post." it says with smiles and a handshake, trump and kim could mask the gulf on nuclear arms. discussions led by secretary of state mike pompeo floundered repeatedly over basic issues of what the summit should be about and inability to close fundamental gaps over understanding north korean denuclearization. mike, the issue here is it's complicated. denuclearization is complicated. president trump has said he hasn't had to prepare much for this meeting. he said he will know within the first minute whether this is going well. he is not taking skooin scientific and technical experts. he doesn't have a scientific adviser. as bill neely said a few minutes ago is what we have seen is the coming out party for kim jong-un. the coming out of global isolation party. >> absolutely right. i think if that reporting is correct and there is really a very serious gap between the two parties going into the summit in the coming hours, then this
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spells deep trouble. as you mentioned before, kim jongrl is going into this summit already in many ways pocketing a victory, getting a face to face meeting with the president of the united states, the first time that will ever happen, something that his father and his grandfather both sought for decades but neither of them were able to achieve. as you said, he is going to couple out on the world stage looking like a rock star testimony question the what is the united states going to get out of this summit? right now, i think all we are looking for is some very concrete specific declarations from the north koreans about what they are willing to do. and here the reality, though. even if they some of those very extreme and maximalist promises from the north koreans, you can't trust them. you have to verify what they will actually do. we don't know what they are actually willing to to for weeks, months, maybe even years. again, we are not really going to know what's going to come ott of this summit probably for
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quite some time. >> michael allen, in fact when we look at the iran nuclear deal it accelerated inside the course of two years when the united states got heavily involved but it was ten years of negotiations to get to that deal that the united states has now stepped away from. but president trump likes to talk about the fact that his predecessors did not do this. when you were working for george w. bush why did presidents of the united states not take the opportunity to meet the leaders of north korea. >> they were worried, especially president bush, on giving the north korean leaders some sort of acceptance by the international community, the conference of legitimacy by the leader of the free world. i think, though, president trump, you know, to put this in its best light i think what he's trying to do here is say look this guy is 34. he's at least been in the west a little bit for his education. let's test his intentions. i would have rather gone through hard negotiations over a long period of time and put a leader
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visit -- a visit with the u.s. president at the end of the process. but i guess since we are already there and already here let's test this guy's intentions, see if he is for real, and see if we can do a historic break through, which i agree will take years, though. >> mike fuchs, there are many who would say dialogue is better than the absence of dialogue and isolation. for those of us who want to put this in the best light it is still worth reminding people of what the kim regime is about in north korea. it is an pressive, repressive, cruel regime with human rights violations that donald trump says he's not bringing up in this meeting? >> no. absolutely right. and the news that the president very well may not raise human rights is absolutely shameful. this is a core value of the united states and an international norm that absolutely must be on the agenda of any talks. now, that said, you don't make
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peace with your friends. and so we absolutely need to be talking with the north koreans. diplomacy frankly is an essential component of any effective way to address the entire panoply of north korean threats and challenges. but we are obviously here, by meeting with the leader of north korea face to face with all the world watching, legitimatizing kim jong-un, and again, in some ways, many people will see the united states, unfortunately, as whitewashing some of the absolutely brutal human rights violations that go on in north korea if the president is not going the raise the issue. >> guys, thanks very much for your analysis. michael allen, former senior director for counter-proliferation strategy at the national security counsel. and mike fuchs former assistant secretary of state for east asian and pacific affairs. coming up, president trump accuses the prime minister of canada of being dishonest. you may not realize just how
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but that's comments sent president trump into a trirt frenzy. the canadian prime minister was talking about retaliatory tariffs on nearly $13 billion in u.s. goods that starts on july 1st. hours later the president tweeted that trudeau is quote dishonest and weak saying he was meek and mild when they were together. a trade war between the united states and kanka could effect your bottom line. you may not realize that canadian products and services are part of our everyday lives here in united states. your car for instance may be using gas made from canadian oil. almost all of canada's oil exsports end up in the united states. the united states gets 40% of its oil from north of the border. most of that oil comes from the alberta oil sands. our home may have been built with canadian lumber. the u.s. imported nearly $6 billion in canadian softwood lumber in 2016. the trump administration accuses canada of subsidizing the
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commodity because most of the lumber comes from government-owned land. and the car you drive may have been built in a canadian fay. vehicles make up 3% of the country's exports. it is the legacy of a 1960s agreement that allows american companies to set up plants in canada and ship parts and vehicles across the border. that auto pack became the free trade agreement between canada and the united states which became nafta. more than one quarter of the trade between the united states and canada comes across the ambassador bridge. it links detroit to windsor canada. that doesn't include all of the services that go between these two countries, both canada and the united states are service-oriented countries. joining us now is dominic barton, a global managing
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partner at mckenzie and company. also the chair of the canadian finance minister's advisory council on economic growth. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> this is one of those remarkable relationships, strategic, military, economic, and otherwise relationships between two countries that most people don't know about. >> exactly. i mean it is a deep, long standing relationship. and hopefully it will strengthen even through these bit of rough times right now. >> what is interesting about deals like nafta or the free trade agreement or the auto pact before it is there are really -- i call it the engine. the content is the stuff that goes through it that can be adjusted the tariffs and the rates and stuff. but this is really a system that says if we are going to import and export food there will be uniform measures for figuring out whether the standards are maintained, security protocols, dispute settling mechanisms. to suggest dismantling these deals is a bigger deal than donald trump seems to acknowledge.
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>> i think it is. i personally think it is an amazing agreement. it's the largest free trade agreement in the world. we haveot $20 trillion worth of economic activity in it. it's created a huge number of jobs in all three countries. just in the u.s. it's responsible for getting 14 million jobs. about .5% of gdp growth since that period, 1994 to today has come from that. as you say it's complicated because you can't sort of pinpoi this a say that product was made here and shipped over. >> right. >> the supply chains are completely intertwined. that's one of the beauties of this agreement. you can't snip it like is a getty and say let's cut that piece off. >> donald trump has been focusing on dairy, for instance, and there are or a lot of reasons that are too detailed to get into there are duties on american dairy. america exports five times more milk to canada than canada does
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to the united states. it's one of those parameters that's outside of the deal. it is a not in nafta. when you look at everything that is in nafta it is frustrating to canadian workers as well. there are some factory workers in canada that think the dole was bad for them. >> there are pockets. but i think we have to always remind ourselves when we get into this, this is -- i think it is an amazing economic system that's actually creating a lot of jobs for everyone. you know, 36 states in the u.s. have a trade surplus with canada. that's why you see people like the u.s. chamber of commerce, the manufacturing association, all getting agitated about this becais is gng to be self harm if we don't continue this. everyone is benefiting. >> there is a small group of people in all of these countries of people who felt they have been dealt a blow. if you are a higher wage earner,
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these deals are generally not great for your job. our dea there is a failing of governments to deal with their work force. >> i think it is a failure of all of us to recognize that people get dislocated in trade. net/net, i don't think there is anyone who has an economics background wouldn't say there is a net benefit to free trade. this is the ideal free trade market, if you will. for sure people get dislocated. i think we didn't spend enough time thinking about what happened to those people, whether high or low wage. the challenges that we are going to be knee capping because we are going to reduce the pie overall. also, the uncertainty here is having other consequences. people are nervous now and not making vemts. i mean n a period of robust growth we should be doubling down on the investment.
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right now people are nervous. where is this going to go? hopefully it's more rhetoric as opposed to what is really happening and we continue the keep our heads down and negotiate. but it creates uncertainty. and that reduces investment, which then also reduces jobs. so this is -- it's costing all of us, all three countries. >> dominic, good to see you. dominic barton is the global managing partner for mckenzie and company. up next, dennis rodman may be there, but donald trump is the first president since 1941 not to have a science adviser, a role perhaps never more crucial than now. hours ahead of denuclearization negotiations with kim jong-un. that's next. [thoughtful sigh] still nervous about buying a house? a little. thought i could de-stress with some zen gardening.
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we are five and a half hours from the summit. what exactly constitutes denuclearization, and what does the president need the know? for more i'm joined by the president of the global security foundation the plow shares fund. he has written several books on nuclear weapons in the world. joe, i want to have a positive attitude about this. right? i want this to work. i want to think that donald trump's approach to this is untraditional and unorthodox but he is somehow sitting down with kim jong-un. >> yes. >> he is not there -- he doesn't
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have a science adviser. >> right. >> he didn't think he needed a lot of preparation. tell i'm wrong. tell me that the government is involved in these talks. there are people who understand and are sophisticated about denuclearization who are there in singapore? >> kind of. >> okay. >> you don't have anybody like john holen who you talked to earlier in this morning. >> obama's science adviser. >>a or a former secretary of energy. >> who was a physicist. >> the head of the physics department at mit. you don't have anybody like them who can do that. you have some smart people. andy kim, the head of the cia on north korea, been tracking this for years. not a scientist or a technical person but somebody familiar with the issues. it is a handicap but it's to the something they can overcome if they take their time. as long as he doesn't rush into a feel and allows them to bring it back and be vetted.
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>> that's my concern. they can come to some sort of a handshake as to what they want to happen. but the technical deals, i'm thinking back to iran, which in totality was ten years of negotiation. >> and a 150 page document that felt out everything how we were going to track the uranium from the mine >> i remember reading that on that morning. it was hard to understand, it was technical. >> he had you are looking at north korea, this is a much bigger problem than iran. s that much -- these people have nuclear weapons. they have an extensive -- >> iran didn't actually have them. >> they have spent five or six decades building this program up. they are not going to take it down overnight. especially not on a smile and hand shake with donald trump. >> mike pompeo calked about cvid. complete elevator by irreversible denuclearization. there seems to be an expectation of what success looks like. >> yes, you can then track this
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into very specific steps. for example, the missiles. we want them to stop building more missiles. we would like them to stop testing more missiles. we would like to take down the missile stands, you know, take down the missile facilities. then you go to fissile material, uranium, plutonium. we have a rough idea of where it's being manufactured. we want to complete list of every place they have got of we want to be able to go into those facilities, stop doing and it start rolling it back. then the machinery, et cetera. as you start to go through, this you have five, six, seven, maybe eight silos of technical manufacturing and development capabilities that you want to tag and then start reducing. >> it is a important for people to know as they watch starting at 8:00 tonight and through the night that success is not going to look like the iran nuclear deal. at least at this point. it is neat going to have that level of detail? >> exactly. it will be like the beginning process when john kerry first met with the foreign minister in september of 2013.
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it too two years to get the deal. >> joe, thas for hng us through this. the "new york times" reports that trump is the first prident since 1941 not to name a science adviser. he also heads into these talks without a senior down setter trained in nuclear physic. to explain why this matters i'm joined by carl davon report is of the nooip who wrote that piece. this is part and parcel of a larger problem with this being a little bit of an anti-science administration? >> yes, and what people close to the president have said is that it's not so much that the president, you know s actively trying to dismiss or marginalize science. it's just not a priority. it's just ended up being neglected. as a result of that, as you said, there is no white house science adviser a position that has been filled since world war ii. traditionally, there has been
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also for over 50 years a white house council of senior appointed scientists by the president. no one has been appointed to that council. there are senior scientific advisory positions across the federal government that are left empty including there is no science adviser at the state deputy. and just across the federal government there, no -- there are councils, advisory commissions, advisory boards of science that have all just been left empty. the as a result of that is that there is no scientist who has the president's ear? in the end, mike pompeo did say that this is -- you know, three months of preparations have gone into these meetings. 100 experts across government agencies including experts from the military dealing with nuclear weapons, the department of energy. do you get the fact that they understand that they are not moving forward with a comprehensive deal like the iran deal at this stage?
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whatever comes out of today's meetings will be a handshake and an agreement that they need to move forward but they are going to have to get some scientific chops in order to get ts done? >> that is what people who worked on previous nuclear deals have said. there is no way to get any kind of deal at the end of the day without a lot of agreement and understanding on scientific technical points. ultimately, these deals about denuclearization come down to really specific technical agreements and experts who worked on this said there i no question that t north koreans have a lot of technical expertise and senior technical experts on this. but whatever an ultimate deal is going to look like, it will really depend not just on hand shakes, not just on broad political strokes, but on really nuts and bolts technical decisions.
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and that's why they, the scientists i talked to say this is a concern. the government is certainly full of career scientists, nuclear ph.d.s but there isn't a senior person who has both the political chops and the expertise in science and nuclear weapo weapons. >> thank you for your reporting on this. up necks, we will go live to kentucky where the bore bond industry is bracing itself for the retaliatory 25% tariff on bourbon imports. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor-positive her2- metastatic breast cancer
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this week get boise case paper for only $29.99 at office depot office max. breaking news from the pentagon as president trump prepares to meet with north korean leader kim jong-un in less than six hours. james mattis, the secretary of defense finished with a gaggle of reporters. hans nichols joins us now. what's the news. >> the news is that mattis didn't rule out entirely the idea that you would have a troop withdrawal, u.s. troops from south korea being part of the negotiations between president trump and kim jong-un. the reason that's significant, ali, is because the secretary of defense has been clear all along saying that any discussion of u.s. troops in south korea needs to be separate and distinct from the nuclear issue. when we just pressed him on this just moments ago, and i did as well, he said i don't know, i don't believe it's on the ajen dark you will have to ask them. he was clearly leaving open the
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possibility approximatet space for president trump to negotiate with kim jong-un potentially meaning that you could have a withdrawal of u.s. troops creeping into the negotiations. that seems what mattis was hinting at. he didn't say it entirely affirmatively saying it will absolutely be on the agenda but he left open the possibility, ali, and that is significant. >> that is, yeah. >> one other quick note. we asked if we would see any change in military posture among the north koreans. he gave an affirmative no. he said several times all is quiet. they are not seeing military activity north of the 38th parallel. >> 5:18 before the summit begins. you can watch it all here on msnbc. we will continue to countdown to the summit and a big focus f north korea is their economy and relief from sanctions. while the trump administration is looking at possibly helping the north economically, the concern here at home is where is the economic relief from the president's self-made tariff war
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with our allies? msnbc has been. treeing the country talking to farmers and workers about h tariffs ar going to affect their lives. our next focus is on bourbon. there is a 25% tariff at the inbeginning of the month. canada is looking at a 10% tariff starting july 1st. vaughn hillyard is in kentucky. the year journal published an op ed about the tariffs. the first line is where are you senator mitch mcconnell? ken condition need you. >> ali, i asked larry butler th exact question yesterday. we visited him out on his farm. he is a third generation farmer. i was out there alone with his brother and his son. i asked him that question about his home state senator. he produces corn and grain. and i asked him about senator mitch mcconnell.
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your message to the senator? >> what can you do? how how can you get this back to a way that we can still keep farming with the price this tariff that's going on all of our commodity products? and he tells you that they are working on it. that's where it -- at the end of the day, that's where it has to come from. it has to come from washington, d.c. one way or another. i can't just pick up the phone and call somebody in china say look you can't charge that much money. >> ali, if you want to talk about american businesses, american success stories, american products, you are talking about bourbon, 95% of the world's bourbon comes from here in kentucky. in just the last ten years, exports increased by 42%, just like you have coal or steel towns, places like here and across kentucky you have distillery towns. 700 people live here. we are at makers mark distillry
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where they have 200 employees in littleton. 700 people here. for this issue, it's not just the employees here, but also the fas at cultivate the corn and crops that go into making makers mark. >> it is a thin line. if we had a major breakdown and we would have to replace a 250,000 combine that's going to do it. >> your profit margin? >> it's down here. we ly don't farm for the profit in it we have to have it to continue fng we farm because belove doing it. it is a wave life and we enjoy doing it. you we have to make money. >> to have somebody throw us over the cliff so they can bluster around it makes no sense. >> when you hear the president
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calling prime minister justice ten trudeau meek does that make you g at all? are you support of i have that tough talk. >> the president has his style. i don't -- it's not particularly a style that's my style, necessarily. but through his life he has made it work by negotiating in this way. whether it's the best way, probably not. but i don't know that we are going to change that. >> does it make you anxious that essentially our closest allies our closing trading partners. >> yes. >> are united on a united front and the united states is isolated? >> of course. >> and your message to president trump would be? >> keep free trade. yeah. keep the trade open. >> this is the kentucky.
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people here are on edge about the future and demand for the product they want to put out into the when you talk to these and large a lot of them voted for donald trump. they say while they continue the maintain hopeful for the president they say they want a better deal. but in the same breath they struggle in finding exactly what the better deal is. statement they want to return to a stable market. they have potatoes, pork, corn ready to be bought and sold. >> thank you for reportingor us. plenty of uncertainty remains over the president's trade war as vaughn was just saying. it seems much othe pain being felt in areas that voted toer the president. the concern is that if this continues it could have a big impact on the midterm elections. for more i'm joined by mark wayne mullen, a republican
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congressman from oklahoma. your support of the president's imposition of the steel and aluminum tariffs which kicked this all off is stronger than that of your congressional delegation from oklahoma. >> right. >> why are you so deep in the president's corner on this? >> this is about bringing people back to the table. we have been having a lot of people from a lot of countries over the last 20 or 30 years taking advantage of our economy. and not allowing us to do business in their countries. you know, we talk a lot about canada. and i get th. look, we do -- oklahoma ds a lot of trade with canada ourselves. but this is about taking care of a bigger issue,too. you have raw material that's bypassing our laws coming through canada into the united states. and the president is looking at this as a whole picture. not just canada. this isn't just about canada. this isn't about mexico. is is about having a free trade or a fair trade for all of
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our businesses to do business and other countries that are doing business inside our country. the president is a negotiator and he is allowing people to say if you want to do business with us, then we want to do business with you. >> i hear you, this started with china and aluminum and steel but it's not effecting china. >> it's also coming through canada that way. >> not really. >> raw material is coming through china and canada and mexico to. >> steel and aluminum is coming through canada illegally into the united states without tariffs? you are one of the biggest steel users in oklahoma because of your oil and natural gas hubs. >> it's coming through canada. canada is a trade partner. we want to do business with canada. i get that. but we -- this isn't just about canada. and i know we are focusing on canada. but this is about a larger economy. a lot of these companies that are inside the united states just got a 14% tax cut. and they are doing great and our
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economy is responding to it. we see that. right now is the best time to renegotiate our deal. if we are going to do it, we do it now because we -- >> you understand we are in the midst of routine nafta renegotiations when president trump does these things like insulting trade partners. you can't -- you are a business man. you are a business man. you can't mossbly think that's a good way of negotiating with your closest partners, right, insulting them, calling them names. you can be supportive of the president's tweet about prime minister trudeau yet. >> what i am supportive of is the president's ability to negotiate. he has proven over and over again that he is a master at negotiating. what he is doing right now is put youing our country first. and the president of canada is doing the same thing. he's putting canada first. and they should. both of them should be putting their countries first. but the president ran on putting america first, and making us great again. and you can see that our economy is responding to that.
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our economy is responding in a great way to that. we have job reports that are repeating over and over, breaking records of expectations. we have over a million jobs that's been war and jobs -- >> it does. >> when, how? >> well -- this has to do with moving our economy first. as a business owner, as you said yourself i'm a business owner. every business owner wants to expand our market. we have companies from other countries doing business inside our country and we're not able to do business in their country. that's what we're talking about having free trade. >> that's not the case with canada and mexico, sir. i don't know what you're talking about. this is puzzling to me. can you give me one example of raw materials getting snuck through canada and not being charged adequate tariffs and duties? i don't know what you're saying. >> let's talk -- you said that's not accurate with mexico and canada. let's talk about mexico themselves. you've got our products, you've got ford or not ford, but wranglers that used to be made
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in my district in oklahoma that are now being produced in mexico and bought and sold. i have a pair on as we speak. you have, you have fords, the trucks and other parts that are being made down in mexico -- >> but that's under nafta. that's not illegal. >> i know it's not illegal. what i'm saying is we're trying to renegotiate nafta. >> therere renegotiations going on when president trump came in and dropped this bomb -- >> no, there wasn't. they weren't really wanting to talk to us. why would they? it's been great for their country. the only way it's going to happen is if the president forces them to come back to the table. that's what we're doing. we want to keep canada as a trade partner. >> this is nonsense. they were actually at the table. all of the countries, all three countries had their delegations at a nafta renegotiation. this has been going on. >> and what was the outcome of that? >> they've been negotiating. they were doing things until president trump decided that --
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>> what were they negotiating on? they were trying to protect what they had. mexico was trying to protect what they had and they weren't willing to give anywhere. this is us going forward. i want to have a good strong nafta deal but not the one we have now. i want one that creates jobs in the united states, not mexico. >> you weren't here earlier. the jobs created by nafta in the united states are probably in the hundreds of thousands. >> we've also lost a lot of jobs inside the united states, too. >> we lose jobs every single month. every single month that's how it goes. we've had years of job creation since 2009, since april of 2009 we've had job creation. >> we were losing a lot of jobs, too. that's why our economy was flat. >> our economy has president been flat. congressman, i don't understand what you're saying. you're making up facts in front of me. you know i'm a business journalist, right? i didn't just fall off the
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canadi canadian turnip truck >> our economy was strong before the president came in -- >> yeah, that's actually what i said. the u.s. economy was strong before donald trump became president. you're not going to deny that to me now. >> it was cmbing at a very snail pace. are you saying that the economy isn't better than it is now than it was before the president came in? >> this is a weird circular conversation, sir. maybe we'll get a chance to do it again. that doesn't make any sense. when there is economic growth every month over the growth before, you can't say the economy is stronger now than it was then. >> it is. you can't deny it is. look at the growth we've had. >> lower for the last nine years? sir, this is -- i don't understand this. >> inside the united states you have people wanting a job. you have 6.5 million job openings and 6.2 million people on unemployment. what the president is doing is being extremely effective. we've seen faster growth in our economy right now than we've seen since 2000. it's moving forward and moving
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in the right direction. it's because of our tax plan and the tax relief we gave to the american people. >> all right, congressman, good to talk to you. thank you for joining me. congressman mark wayne mullen from oklahoma. the federal communications commission has officially repealed net neutrality and prevented internet service provider from intngsally speeding up or slowing down traffic. it wasn't until 2015 that the federal communications commission made it official policy giving the commission moreover site powe moreover -- more oversight powers. verizon, charter, comcast, the parent company of this network could play a role in determining which websites survive and which don't. they could slow down traffic to competing services. that's known as throttling. or they could slow all the traffic on their network forcing consumers to pay more to access popular high bandwidth sites like youtube, netflix, you name
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it. the chair said removing the rules makes the internet more competitive including isps verizon and comcast said they will not and do not block content. this is michael furtik at the venture capital firm heroic ventures. michael, what's your take away from the fact that this is going away? aj ajit paiv said they're going to make sure they monitor and take action if internet servicer do throttle or block content. he saidt' not going to happen. if that was the goal, why not keep net neutrality? >> my first take away, ali, you and nbc kick arce. you're not letting this administration get away with total crap claims before the arrival of donald trump. consider for that. i was sitting here listening. second, on the question, i do hope the fcc will be watching to see if there is a throttling
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of content especially certain kinds of content. one of the arguments in favor of net neutrality's repeal by this administration is for example it has been reported netflix represents half the traffic on the internet in the evening hours in the united states. that's a lot of traffic from one company because people are viewing their streaming movies. it might be fair for the isps to say look, comcast, we need to put new pipe in the ground. we can't afford to do it unless we are throttling certain vendors like netflix. we need to be incentivized to invest by putting new cable infrastructure in the ground. the argument against net neutrality, the argumen for, net neutrality helps the little guy. it helps start ups, innovation. what's the mechanics? consumers might fear net neutrality but they don't have to. the repeal of net neutrality might be met by the subsidy of your comcast bill or google. you can get a basic cable package for free. you can get your internet for
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free if you basically get only facebook or just certain pages that have been approved and blessed by google. that would be okay maybe on the face of it if you're aegular user of facebook or regular user of basic internet. but if you are a start-up trying to bring new and innovative services to the market -- >> you're not included in that. >> you're not included in that. now the consumer has to pay 1 shun bucks hundred bucks a month. if you're a beverage business, you have to deal with a small number of distributors who control the access. >> they don't take your beverage, it doesn't matter how good it is. >> you don't exist. exactly. in the same way this could happen with the repeal of net neutrality to internet companies so i am worried as an investor, entrepreneur, i'm worried about that for sure. >> sure an investor in companies that could in theory become big companies in years to come. when you look at the beginnings of google, beginnings of facebook, you're worried about
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those beginnings without net neutrality may not become successful companies in the future. >> right. every company wants to clip the green chutes arouon the ground around it. that's a natural act. you can blame themay it's not fair, but that's a natural act. if you're one of the big behemoth's amazon, netflix, google or facebook, you might be inclined to subsidize the at&t's and comcast to offer a free deal to the end user. if you're on an airplane, you might get free tv stations free on the wi-fi of that airplane flight but you might need to pay for say e-mail or browsing the internet. in the same way that is an experience that could happen at your house. that could be a big problem for start ups. i don't blame the large companies for trying to keep themselves alive at the expense of start-ups, but i think if you level the playing field and the regulator here with net
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neutrality, you can have a great deal of sponsored innovation and get the blood flowing in our eco system. i hope we don't lose that. >> michael, i love how you explain this. it makes a complicated issue clear to me. thank you so much for always being around to help us get great analogies and analysis on these problems. michael is the founder and managing partner at heroic ventures, hoping to make some of the companies he invests in big companies. that brings this busy hour to a close. joint brian williams with live reports from correspondents from singapore throughout the region. that is starting 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york fresh off the heels of a diplomatic debacle in canada in which donald trump managed to clash with some of america's oldest and closest allies.
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trump is fryitrying his luck wi one of america's adversaries, kim jong-un in the hope meeting donald trump kim will agree to denuclearize north korea. the complete and verifiable denuclearization of north korea. and here's how long the president is going to give it. >> i think within the first minute i'll know. >> how? >> just my touch, my feel. that's what i do. how long will it take to figure out whether or not they're serious? i said maybe in the first minute. you know, the way they say that you know if you're going to like somebody in the first five seconds, you ever hear that one? well, i think that very quickly i'll know whether or not something good is going to happen. >> five seconds. the president already showing some daylight with his secretary of state on expectations for the

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