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trump is fryitrying his luck wi one of america's adversaries, kim jong-un in the hope meeting donald trump kim will agree to denuclearize north korea. the complete and verifiable denuclearization of north korea. and here's how long the president is going to give it. >> i think within the first minute i'll know. >> how? >> just my touch, my feel. that's what i do. how long will it take to figure out whether or not they're serious? i said maybe in the first minute. you know, the way they say that you know if you're going to like somebody in the first five seconds, you ever hear that one? well, i think that very quickly i'll know whether or not something good is going to happen. >> five seconds. the president already showing some daylight with his secretary of state on expectations for the
summit. >> by the minimum i do believe at least we'll have met each other. we will have seen each other, hopefully we will have liked each other and we'll start that process. i would say that would be the minimal. and the maximum, i think you know the answer to that. but i think that will take a little bit of time. >> see each other. i hate to break this to the advance teams, but if that was all he was after, they could have skyped. here to break i all fors very special guests from the washington post washington reporter ashley parker. deputy security advisor to president obama and now msnbc contributor and he's out with a brand-new book, the world as it is. a memoir of the obama white house. journalist mara gay, member of the "the new york times" editorial board is here. north korea analyst and former director for korean japanese and oceanic affairs at the national security council under the bush and obama administrations. and jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon. jeremy, let me start with you
and the set-up. it's impossible to divorce the debacle that was, what is by any objective analysis, low-hanging diplomatic fruit a stop at the g7. for that to have been so botched and r the predento place all his eggs in the dictator basket seems ludicrous at best. i actually thought the design, nicolle, was we'd go have a warm fuzzy with our allies, get our posse together and go in for the tough fight against north korea. but, in fact, actually it was an epic foreign policy fail because on the way out of canada, the president basically lamb basted our allies and fractured the alliance which is not what vladimir putin wants but puts us in a worse position vis-a-vis the north korea opportunity. >> it's difficult to fight with canada. it can be done, but it's hard to make them mad. super harsh tweets, very personal attacks. and this idea, strategically speaking as a country, it's in all of our interest for the
summit to go well. but to go in -- you're talking about, you know, instead of riding any head of steam into this consequential summit he's doing a standing jump. >> i mean, look. the g7 is a summit you go to to align the strategy. >> right. >> you're not usually confronting -- >> like ehud l then go face the world. >> usually we're the quarterback, w make the huddle and make the play. >> it's really unprecedented fracture for us to have that kind of blow up with canada and the europeans. what i worry about is a signal it sends to the world. as he goes to the summit we're split from our closest countries in the world. south korea and japan who count on us for their security, who have to be with us for any play with north korea, and they're probably looking at this and thinking can we count on the united states. that's a dangerous time-out. >> the way you treat -- it's
like dating. the way you treated the last girl is how you're going to treat the next girl. the way we treat our allies like france and the e.u., it's likely how we are going to treat south korea and the allies that we rely on that we used to rely on to deal with north korea. how do they feel as we walk into the high stakes summit where their lives are at stake, their lives are on the line? >> first, i think our allies count on us being the most prepared, most ready for any diplomatic confrontation. when we telegraph, hey, we're not preparing, we're not trying to figure out exactly what may or may not happen, we're making nonsensical comments we're going to know in the first minute whether or not north korea will denuclearize, i think it causes them to scratch their heads and say, i hope this guy has a plan. >> let me read some of the reporting from the weekend. let me bring you in, ashley. you and your colleague phil rucker, doesn't look like you slept all weekend.
reporting trump considers kim a rational actor. trump considers kim a rational actor and the president flat erred the dictator with praise. he's banking on his forceful personality. he sees a sing lal lar ability to size up and manipulate competitors. never mind the difference between property development and details. it is trivial relative to the chem dri he could forge with his north korean counterpart and the possibility of breaking down the thick geopolitical barrier. can you speak to -- i think that people who don't have their nose pressed against the glass like you and your colleagues do don't understand that in trump's mind there is no difference between real estate negotiations and nuclear arms negotiations. >> well, look, the president first, he thinks kim is a rational actor, in part, because that is the impression that secretary pompeo got when he met with him and conveyed to the president. but at the end of the day, you're right. he views this no differently
than any other negotiation he's been in, whether it was running a new york real estate business or some negotiations he's done while in office. and so he -- for him, again, it's all about chemistry, sort of personal interaction, getting in the room with someone and it's very transactional. so, as you saw at the g7, sort of these traditional world orders and, you know, alliances can very easily be blown up. and in a certain way, although i don't think the president would put it this bluntly, but my colleague phil rucker certainly did. the president recognizes a bit of himself in kim. there's a lot of similarities in terms of what they want, in terms of a deal, in terms of optics and what they want to project back home, in terms of mercurial moods andhims and ways they approach situations and he sort of sees someone he thinks he can get in a room --
again, i'm not saying this is the correct approach necessarily, but sort of recognize within the first minute how it's going to go. >> let me ask you to take a look at this picture and answer this question. has kim jong-un already won? >> well, he has gained tremendously. he's so much better off now than where he was a few months ago, even last november and december. look what all the summit and diplomacy has brought him. he has already weakened political will to implement sanctions on the ground. we have reports that china is now -- they are loosening sanctions on the ground. look at the image make over that he had after he met with president xi jinping twice, president moon-in hosting the foreign minister. he's out and about in sipping a po -- singapore taking a selfie. he killed his half brother in malaysia. he executed his uncle. he's treated like a rock star and now the u.s. president is going to sit down with him.
no u.s. president ever sit down with a north korean leader. of course we have given him legitimacy. so he has gained. >> can you speak to sort of the dangers of ignorance? i mean, let's not ignore the elephant in the room. this is a president whose friends will acknowledge they've never seen him hold or read a book. there are dangers to not understanding why george w. bush, bill clinton, or president obama ever got to this stage with kim jong-un or his father. >> yeah. well, first of all, what north korea wants is to keep its nuclear weapons and gain international legitimacy as we are already seeing kim do and get some measure of sanctions relief. so kim is running a pretty obvious play here. after trump came into office, he accelerated his nuclear testing to consolidate that nuclear deterrent. nowe's pivoting to diplomacy. we can laugh, it's like a reality show, we'll know in the first few seconds. >> dennis rodman is there. >> dennis rodman is there. the rest of the world is looking and thinking do they know what
they're doing? the intricacies of the nuclear weapons, we don't know if he's sitting in the room with the right people. we heard him say he wants chemistry. and you have pence saying we want the complete and verifiable denuclearization of the korean peninsula. >> pompeo. >> the gulf between those two things is enormous. the administration has president been clear about what they are trying to achieve here. >> president obama was. when they met after the election, was president this one of the single issues he tried to pull out and highlight and warn incoming president trump about this? those who worked on the national security staff -- their excuse for not catching all the loony tweets is they were in the sit room dealing with north korea. >> we did warn him this was likely to be front and center national security issue one for them. but the problem i see here is
you have a south korean president who is understandably alarmed by the direction things are taking and didn't want a war on the korean peninsula. so they took the diplomatic initiative. >> inviting kim down. >> invited kim down. trump kind much dove into this thing and accelerated the process because he wanted this show. he wanted this summit in front of all the cameras. nicolle, one of the things i talk about in my buick, i did the normalization of cuba. i met 20 times with castro's son before we put president obama in the room with raul castro. they had a more accelerated time line. that is giving kim all the rewards before they've taken any action. >> and some of that, mara is how desperately the president needs this win politically. some of that isn't because there aren't people around him that understand. i have to believe that people like mike pompeo, i wonder if you guys jump in if you agree. there are people who understand the value of those 20 premeetings. very few preconditions have been met other than the release of the detainees. this is not just a meeting about
foreign policy. this is about donald trump's political survival. he has said to friends he plans on taking a win in north korea to the voters. that's their med term message. that's all they've got. >> that's what's so terrifying in part. wee going to this, if we're thinking about this realistically, we know enough about president trump he's not going to come home and say that he failed. he's going to call this a win no matter what. >> he has rick perry over there to say we won, we're in charge now. >> we're already at such a disadvantage, i think, going into this. and so then the question becomes, well, if he's going to frame this as a win, what's that going to look like? what does that look like in terms of sanctions, in terms of giving kim international legitimacy that he didn't otherwise have? and quite frankly, you look at the polls. it's really interesting because the more we're talking about north korea, like the less we're talking about russia. the less we're talking about issues at ho. and i think you see that's true
for kim i'm sure as well. >> and ashley parker, that is politics 101. you become president by winning on two counts. one, strong leader. two, understands the problems of people like you. this squarely pluses up his strong leader numbers among his base. can you talk about sort of the crass political calculation s? this summit as i understand it from senior national security officials was never off. that was a trumpian head fake. it was always on. that was a negotiating ploy. the advance operations were ongoing. one of the president's closest advisors said whenever there is a stage and cameras, president trump will be there. this was always the plan to be on the stage with kim jong-un, policy fallout bedamned. >> that's exactly right. even when it was called off, our understanding is the same as yours. that everything was proceeding apace behind the scenes exactly as it would have had the summit been on the entire time. and there was a sense from his aides that there was no way that
president trump was going to pass up this opportunity. so, we've talked a little bit about -- and it's sort of twofold, how it plays with the mid terms. i don't want to say it is purely a crass political calculation, although there is an awareness this is something that does get to, you know, his strength, him being a tough leader, him doing things no previous president -- certainly president obama who he always likes to one up. he said other presidents, too, have not been able to do. and then there is a sense i think that is less associated with any possibl political gains in november, and is just that what president trump wants at its core is a deal, is a win, is a photo op, is to be able to do what no one else has done, and he finds this idea incredibly appealing and enticing and intriguing and that has made all the more so by the fact as we mentioned earlier on the show, former president obama
when they met in the oval office, the one thing he warned him about was the threat from north korea. and so the president doesn't have that many hard and fast achievements to point to. and this is something he feels like was the biggest challenge, even according to president obama. and if he could m any headwa to him feels like a tremendous victory. >> i want to ask you, jeremy bash, to get into the how. you helped produce and you helped consume the presidential daily brief much of your time in government. this is a president who doesn't read his and i want to read you some "the new york times" reporting about drama action and emotional powers exhaust the exits trump reenergized. trump dictates to aides what he would like to see happen as opposed to psyching a range of views. one example, john bolton national security advisor has mostly followed the president's lead instead of making efforts to maintain detailed briefings for him. i want you to speak to that as no way to run a rodeo on foreign policy, but you also saw it
coming out of larry kudlow, a respectable person with a formed reputation who basically shelled for the president, is trash talking our closest a on trade. that is the new m.o. at donald trump's west wing. >> when you read the intelligence briefings in the morning, you focus on substance. let's pull the politics and pageantry aside. we know the president is going to claim victory either way. let's focus on the substance. what would be a success for the united states? i think the only yardstick really matters is at the end of the day there is complete verifiable denuclearization. we're not going to see it tonight. the north koreans want normalization, peace treaty. donald trump is probably going to sign a document here in the next8 hours that says the words peace or peace treaty. that is exactly what the north wants. that's a give to them. without specifics, without drilling down specifically about uranium enrichment, plutonium production, we are left with a trail of unending promises which
the north has proven in the 90s and 2000s they won't live up to. >> do you agree with that? he >> absolutely. peace declaration is fine. korea, that's okay.e with north but peace treaty is not okay. that should come at the end of the process. with peace treaty, it sounds great and it will be historic because it ends the war. it also undermines the justification of our troops staying in south korea. we should not be working with korea with peace treaty, it has to come at the end. president trump by scrapping the deal, the iran deal the worst deal ever, i'd like to see what he comes up with. it had invasive verification process. they gave up 9 of itnuclear material. >> right. >> i don't see north korea getting to that. and anywhere near that, and certainly not preverifiable dismantlement of their parade. >> i watch their parades. we have to sneak in our first break. when we come back, donald trump plans to rely wholly on his personal charm with north korean
leader kim jong-un, charm is the last thing on his mind this weekend when he gathered with america's most reliable allies. we'll show you those sharp attacks launched by the president and his inner circle. also ahead, vladimir putin pulled off the greatest foreign policy achievement of all time by separating america from her allies and pushing us closer to our foes. how putin stands to gain from donald trump's wrecking ball diplomacy and west wing chaos r 430. we'll tell you who is eyeing the exits and what one very senior white house official called a, quote, miserable place to work. stay with us. one second. barely enough time for this man to take a bite of turkey. but for cyber criminals it's plenty of time to launch thousands of attacks. luckily security analysts and watson are on his side. spotting threats faster and protecting his data with the most securely encrypted main frame in the world. it's a smart way to eat lunch in peace.
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we appreciate the working together with north korea. they're really working very well with us. some people like the idea of bringing russia back in. i think it would be an asset to have russia back in nortrea will be a tremendous place in a very short period of time. i would rather see russia in the g8 adds opposed to the g7. i would say that the g8 is a more meaningful group than the g7, absolutely. >> what? trump spent the weekend raining flattery down on u.s. adversaries, for allies he had only barbs and vit rio le. prime minister trudeau was meek and mild, very dishonest and weak after accusing him of making false statements. trump refusing to sign onto a joint statement or communique with our six closest allies to show solidarity. jennifer ruben calls it a temper
tr tantrum. it's hard to decide which is worse, his destruction of america's alliances or willingness to be taken in by thugs such as putin and kim. panel is still here along with ashley parker. ashley, some of the reporters who covered that trip said they've never seen anything like it. i used to get to go on those trips because i was outranked by dan and others. nothing ever happens. there is never any news. everybody getsalong. there's a photo op and you go home. but not donald trump. >> no, you're right. those are sort of the easy trips, the prelude to the summit. but the thing that was most striking about the president's behavior in canada, in a sort of classic to himn general is that, yes, we have reports that inside the room he arrived at the summit late. he left early. he did that very trumpian body language where he tells you he's unhappy by scowling and crossing his arms. you know, kind of hitting the
leaders here and there especially on trade. but again, what was striking was that the president, while he loves a good enemy or adversary and loves to be a counter puncher, he's not actually that great at doing it person to person when he's in the room. so, he left the summit agreeing to sign this very carefully worded and negotiated communique. he said the relationships were, you know, very much a 10. it's not until he's on air force one heading out of canadian air space that he actually has the courage to go afriter canadian prime minister trudeau. he's not willing to do that in person, he'll do it out of the way. it raises questions going back to north korea if these are the same kid gloves he will treat kim with. he doesn't want to be rude to his face. he wants to declare it's a victory, it's a 10, and only maybe afterwards will we hear or will we realize this wasn't quite all we thought it was going to be or even was a bit of
a diplomatic nightmare. >> i have a 6-year-old. you have little kids. i'm already worried about cyber bullies. the president gets on twitter and attacks people. i want to read you something david leonard wrote in "the new york times" today. trump tries to destroy the west. it's time to take seriously the explanation for all of trump's behavior. he wants to destroy the western alliance. he prefers putin's style of authoritarianism of democracy. or maybe he has no strategy or maybe trump likes being against what every modern american president was for. his response is as serious as the threat. >> i think it is important to remember why did g8 kick russia out. it is because they invaded another country, ukraine. which was the whole basis the nato alliance was for to protect europe from soviet russian aggression. then they engage in
cyberattacks, shooting down civilian airliners. recently going to the streets of an american ally in the united kingdom and killing an individual who the united states helped free. so, there is ample basis to exclude russia from the international community. the fact that donald trump wants to include them now, i think begs the question why. >> can you help us answer that? why? >> i don't know. i think it's -- >> you have to have a theory. you theorize that the russians had a possibly a plant in the trump campaign once and you blew my mind. why? what are the explanations? >> i think there is a -- there are long-standing relationships between the trump organization and the russian federation, long-standing business relationships. i think overtime trump has basically been attracted to moscow and i think he's basically developed an admiration for people who have funded his business enterprises. and i think fundamentally there are ties there that have yet to be explained and uncovered by the special counsel, the extent to which they reach into violations of law. but there is unmistakably
something drawing the american president to do things in favor of russia against the western alliance that no president would ever contemplate doing. >> steve schmidt laid it out bluntly as he often does on twitter. i think it's time to give vladimir p h due. he's clearly the greatest intelligence agent ever. he's engineered the unraveling of the western alliance, fidelity to democracy of the united states and severing the u.k. from the e.u. a remarkable achievement. and director of national intelligence dan coates says russia is attempting to influence u.s. midterms and devise alliances. western ideals and democratic norms. talk about the conundrum for men like d.n.i. coates with someone as jeremy bash said, attracted to moscow. >> russia hasn't been subtle in its actions, right? and they didn't like the
encroachment of nato on its borders. they didn't like protest of ukraine friendly to . they developed this information warfare capability they first used in ukraine, social media bots, creating fake news. >> they all follow me on twitter now. >> my they brought it to the united states. why would putin do this? does he want sanctions relief? he wants what we just saw at the g7. that's the return on their investment. >> an american president talking about adding him back to the g7, make it the g8. >> the division with the allies. donald trump has done what russia couldn't do for decades, which is divide the transatlantic alliance, united states and our closest allies in the world. if you're someone like dan coates and you're coming to work trying to do your job, you know russia is going to do the same thing in this midterm in 2016, same thing in 2020 that they
did. donald trump won't even acknowledge the fact that russia meddled. >> why do you stay in your job? >> i think this is a verygh call for anyone -- >> but are you complicit in handing over western democracies to russia if you stay in your job? >> at the end of the day, you can't escape the fact that that's what the boss ask doing. and, look -- >> should they quit? are you surprised no international security figure quit while we basically allowed for putin's goals to be realized? >> i'd like to see them speak out. the d.n.i. is senate confirmed. if he sees something he doesn't like, he should say something about it right now what we have is essentially the unraveling of the post world war ii international order. president bush and president obama for all their differences believed in america's leadership of democratic alliances around the world. america's leadership in this international system. this wasn't a crazy g7. this was a truly historic event where you saw seismic ruptures in the atlantic alliance. that's something -- those are the countries, nicolle, we're going to call when there is a
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like anything we've seen before. this time policy is taking a back seat to personality. in other words, as "the new york times" analysis states, how mr. trump and mr. kim both thin skinned and eager never to show weakness promises great drama at the summit. a year in the making, a view of trump's counterpart seems to have evolved over time. >> if you look at north korea, this guy, this -- he's like a okay. >> what would you do to deal with that reclusive country? >> i would get china to make that guy disappear in one form or another very quickly. he's a pretty smart cookie. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. rocketman is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.
kim jong-un was -- he really has been very open and i think very honorable from everything we're seeing. >> honorable, how did we get here? >> it's truly incredible. and by the way, i think today is the one year anniversary of otto warmbier when he returned home in a coma state. honorable, kim jong-un is named as a man who commits crime against humanity by united nations. they came out with a 400-page commission on human rights, a guy who runs crime against humanity, separate from the penal system. so, honorable, i don't think he's quite honorable. but i do think that kim jong-un is -- there is a high possibility that is duping president trump because just trump deciding to meet with kim jong-un, we talked about what door that opens, right? that's what led to xi jinping inviting kim jong-un meeting with him twice and he had this
image make over. regardless of what the summit result is, kim jong-un isng back, in terms of the sanctions, it's hard to go back to maximum prnting sanctions. it's going to be hard to go back to that talk of preemptive strike. how can we do that when kim jong-un is making selfies and image make over? it's hard to go back to that strategy. kim jong-un has already gained and done quite well. >> let me play that sound. former cia director john brennan who said president trump is being duped. >> kim jong-un, who i dee spies because of the brutality that he has put upon the north korean people, but unfortunately i think he has been masterful in how he has manipulated perceptions and manipulated, quite frankly duped mr. trump. >> well, look, i think we want to encourage diplomacy. like all americans, we want this summit to succeed. >> i think there is a 10% chance it is going to result in the
complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearization of north korea. >> that is a.m. pompeo's goal. not donald trump's goal. >> his goal is to get to see you, like the bachelorette. you're going to know in five seconds whether they like each other. i think there is a 10% chance that we'll get the whole denuclearization. i think there is a 40% chance it's going to be kind of a muddle and we're going to go through this process. we'll continue to verify and they'll declare, there will be violns. i ink there is a 50% chance that this could descend into a much more confrontational situation in which there are hurt feelings on both sides and there are misplayed expectations. we get into a much more militaristic posture. >> it is really hard to get back to that confron tagsal stag-- confrontational stage. >> where do you put it? >> zero to 1.
i'm being generous here with 1%. >> let me introduce keir simmons who knows this region better than anybody at nbc news. weigh in on everything we've talked about. we pyed former cia director john brennan who said president trump has been duped. we started the show with donald trump saying he's going to know in the first minute how this is going to go down. we're having a debate 0% to 1% chance the secretary of state's goal of complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula. >> yeah, let me just quickly correct -- i'm not sure why i'm the person at nbc news who knows the most about north korea, but i guess i know a little bit about north korea. at the risk of having everyone around the table hate me, look, i don't think we know who kim jong-un really is. clearly you have rightfully pointed out, there were shades. are there shades of gorbachev? i'll tell you, for our reporting we went to switzerland to speak to a man who believes he taught
kim jong-un. there are interesting aspects of that. there are stories of kim jong-un walkg to school, of him listening to music on an mp3 player, of him loving basketball and him not being surrounded by body guards. take a listen to that. was there anything unusual, did he have security? >> no, no. i never saw a body guard or something like this. he came to school by foot. really, he was a boy, a teenager from next door, never saw something -- recognized something special. >> he would walk to school every day? >> yeah, yeah. he came by rocket or something like this -- no, like any other. >> a few points to make, nicolle. it raises the question whether kim jong-un has a pole to the west having been educated by the west. he was under an alias the entire time he was at the high school.
he is somebody who is practiced in lying. that is something president trump should be deeply worried about. but just one other thing - >> that might be something, keir, that unites them. two liars, who knows what's going to happen when they're one on one. >> i guess. i want to make one other point. maybe this is a tiny little exclusive if you like for you. there is all this reporting western intelligence and the cia and the like have scanned the world and know kim jong-un incredibly well. well, that alleged teacher of kim jong-un doesn't believe that he was ever interviewed by any member of western intelligence. i think when we paint the picture that president trump is going in blind, there are all these experts in the west who could help him if he would just let them, i'm not sure that's entirely right. i don't think anyone in the west really understands kim jong-un or what is happening right now from the north korean perspective. >> so, he speaks english, though. that's clear from his swiss education. >> it looks like it. he certainly would have had to have spoken german. he's gone through english
lessons. that teacher says he wasn't the most studious of students, but i suspect he will walk into the room and be potentially be able to have an english conversation with president trump, to impress president trump. that's the kind of thing we need to worry about. >> you're putting back on personalities. i want to get back to the substance and what's been lost on the united states. all the reporting here stateside is we've already moved toward the communique that pyongyang would like us to release. there is report we have already given up and agreed not to raise human rights abuses. this is a country where, you know, above the line, you know, above the dmz people are a fraction of the size of the people below because they're malnourished. you've read george bush made us read aquariums of pyongyang. this is a horrific dictator, he's taking selfies on the streets of singapore. he was sort of unremarkable at
his private school. may end up being gorbachev. how much has the united states given up before we even walk into the summit? >> it's a very good point, i guess. without in any sense kind of lessening those very important points, i guess, you know, diplomacy is all about difficult choices. you don't negotiate with people that you like or that you necessarily respect or that you think have had a great history. that's the nature of -- that's the nature of international politics. that's one point that is worth making. you know, i think you're right to raise the questions of the practicalities as opposed to the personalities. and another point is simply this. look, kim jong-un has always been absolutely clear that he wants to see the nuclearization -- have nuclear weapons and see his country gain economically and that is what i suspect we should continue to expect from him. >> keir simmons, thank you so much for staying up with us. we're happy to see your face. >> you bet. >> mara, let me get your
reaction to keir's reporting. >> i can't get over these competing visuals and images of what happened at the g7 over the weekend. >> right. >> then of this kind of lifting up of the this dictator who is going to -- >> horrific murderer. >> right, horrific murderous thug. we have the president of the united states 18 minutes late to a session on gender equality. not putting on his headphones to listen to president macron speak. and then at one point apparently, apparently -- according to those who were in the room -- dozing off. just how embarrassing, how shameful, but also how sinister. when you think about the people around the world who wish americans and others -- and others in their own countries harm vladimir putin. >> they're yelling at me we have a break. i need to hear your thoughts about the president at the summit. >> the rest of the world looks
at us to be the leader on those issues. >> at least within the range of normal. >> when they see the united states not leading on the issue, but behaving in this disrespectful manner to them, it really takes us outs of that position of leader of the free world. we no longer represent the aspirations of people around the world for a better life, for the types of values -- >> are we a laughing stock? >> we're an embarrassment. here we're used to the reality show here. around the world, they don't care about our politics and who is up and who is down. they're like who is this guy who is the american president -- >> all right. when we comeack the trump doctrine as you've never, ever, ever heard it before. billions of mouths.
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he writes, quote, the best distillation of the trump doctrine i heard, though, came from a senior white house official with direct access to the president and his thinking. i said by way of introduction that i thought it might be too early to discern a definitive trump doctrine. no, the official said, there is definitely a trump doctrine. what is it, i asked? here's the answer i received. quote, the trump doctrine is, we're america, bitch. that's the trump doctrine. back on the farm, not everyone seems to be on board "the new york times" reports some burned out aides are eyeing the exits. jeremy bash, i can't even say it again. >> well, putting aside the obvious misogyny and the obvious analogy to an abusive man against a woman, there is a larger kind of feign policy doctrinal point which is basically it's our way or the highway. america first really means america alone and we're going to go out in this world and try to solve every problem by pulling up the draw bridge, pursuing a
needle isolationist approach and et willing the rest of the world alone. obviously as people around this table and people watching know, the world's problems need allies, need alliances to solve some very diproblems and what wre going to encounter in singapore tonight is one of them. >> well, i think that's exactly right. and i think this is why countries like japan are ally i the region. this is why prime minister abe came multiple times, one of the last persons to meet with president trump to say he probably wants war. please don't make a deal that does not protect ally's interest, japan's interest. for example, if president trump makes a deal with north korea because it protects our u.s. homeland but it doesn't protect japan or south korea, if north korea gets to keep medium and ange missiles. >> that's the likely scenario, right? that is what gives the national security officials grave concern, right? >> absolutely. secretary pompeo repeatedly said multiple times, sometimes, our number one priority is our homeland, protecting our homeland in this context.
this is why it's a concern. >> let me press you, how weird is it for an american president not to use the power of the american presidency to arti oen th world? >> well, you know, he changes what he says. we went to the kim jong-un thing. it was rocketman a year ago, now he's an honorable man. >> nato was a bad deal -- >> i worry the rest of the world is looking at this and they're thinking, we cannot count on these people any more. >> right. >> if you're in japan or south korea, you have banked your existence on america for decades. if you're in europe, you have banked in many ways, outsourced some of your foreign policy to us because we keep europe secure. we get huge benefits from that, we've gotten to be able to set the world's agenda for decades which has been very good for us. >> we're the only people that cashed in on the pledge to nato article 5 where we have taken them -- >> now you're looking at this and seeing people in the white house saying, we're america,
bitch. you know, who likes the sound of that? china because what china is saying is we're not going to do that. suddenly xi jinping talking about he's the leader of the international order the way he talks. i describe in describe this in . the last meeting we had with xi jinping, obama as saying trump might act on this trade stuff. xi said if an immature leader throws the world into chaos, the world will know who to blame. they are not waiting to take advantage of this enormous vacuum. i worry that by the time we get to the end of the trump presidency america's leadership role in the world which we have had for several decades. eep if there were disagreements we were all invested in the same system of values and alliances. he us doesn't articulate support for human rights. he puts down our allies, cozies up to dictators. weary vading our role as leader
of the free world. >> where are the congress members? >> i think they are embarrassed. >> why not say something. >> if you are embarrassed, why not, i agree. building on what you said, i mean, what the president is signale' snaling to th wormed that he thinks dipt that's and democracy is weakness. >> right. >> how scary is that. >> pretty scary. if anyone missed it, we're america bitch, that's the trump doctrine according to a senior white house official. we'll be right back. it can take more than 10 years to develop single medication. and only 1 in 10,000 ever make it to market. but what if ai could find connections faster. to help this researcher discovew treatments. that's why she's working with watson. it's a smart way to find new hope, which really can't wait. ♪ ♪
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papers when he is done with them. >> it's probably a habitual exercise for him to tear up papers and for people to tell him you cannot do that under the law. >> i tear up papers when i have to read something outrageous that donald trump says. but destroying thing with notes on them -- when you work in the white house everything gets saved. you know it's going the exist forever. >> every record created belongs to posterity. i used to get ten, 15 stretch drafts from president obama and the first thing i would have to do is hand to it the archivers. >> i want to interview that guy. when you are ready to talk. we are here. we have to sneak in a break. we'll be right back. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin,
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everybody is coming back tonight. we are all going to be here all night long. you guys better come with us. too. brian williams, rachel maddow, chris matthews, all of us will be here for special coverage of the summit starting at 8:00 p.m. on msnbc. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace "mtp daily" starts right now. >> where are you? >> theyed me tother studio. i will note here tonight, but i will be watching at home from my couch. >> okay. that's good. i wish i were on your couch. >> you will be with me, sort of. just on television. nicolle wallace, thank you very much. if it's mondaye have almost reached the summit. >> tonight, just fall. how the trump brand of international diplomacy is rocking american allies' faith in the u.s. >> i want to say that canada picked a fight with us. >> plus