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denuclearization of north korea will begin quickly, there's another "v" word that statement the leader signed does not include, verify. over night we've seen kim jong-un safe vorg the spot lite getting that perch. he's wanted the world stage promising to least past behind but we nont know when and how he'll step into the future. cae i did will of all of this, tens of thousands of troops, president trump brushing off the idea of cutting back the number of forces on the korean peninsula, but calling off joint military exercises in the region. >> can you be specific about what assurances you are willing to give to kim jong-un? does that include r milita capabilities? >> we're not reducing anything. i want to get our soldiers out. i want to bring our soldiers we will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money. we have right now 32,000 soldiers in south korea. and i'd like to beaible able tg them back home.
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i haven't slept in 25 hours. it does take a long stime to pull off complete denuclearization. it takes a long time. we will do it as fast as it can mechanically and physically be done. means it's pretty much over. we'll be verifying. the sanctions will come off when we are sure that the nukes are no longer a factor. honestly, think he's going to do these things. i may be wrong. >> kim jong-un, as you know, has killed family members, starved his own people. why are you comfortable calling him very talented? >> is he very talented. was discussed, it will be dussed is more in the future, human rights. it's rough, it's rough in a lot of places by the way. i think the meeting was every bit as good for thestates as it korea. >> so it has been a remarkable six or so hours here as we take a look now on one side of your screen at pictures live right
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now of kim jong-un getting ready to leave singapore. we have our team set up and ready to go from right here in singapore and from around the world as well. and i want to start with my colleae kelly o'donnell who is just across the way from us here on set. kelly, listen, when we talk about what's next, when we talk about where this is going, the biggest headline it seems coming out of this, in addition to obviously the historic nature of this handshake heard round the world between these two leaders, is the idea that the president will call off what he called war games, end these military exercises. we are already seeing that reverberating throughout the world. here's a little bit more about what the president had to say ton that. >> can you be specific about what assurances you are willing to give to kim jong-un? does that include reducing military capabilities and just to follow up on your answer? >> no, we're not reducing anything. at some point i have to be honest and i used to say this during my campaign as you know probably better than most, i want to get our soldiers out. i want to bring our soldiers back home. we have right now 32,000
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soldiers in south korea. and i'd like to be able to bring them back home. but that's not part of the equation right now. at some point i hope it will be, but not right now. we will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money. >> so, kelly, we knew that our lies in the region were hing this summit and then the news conference that you just saw intently. now we're starting to see some reaction from them, right? >> reporter: well, hallie, yes. the president may be ion summit ut some of theeres in this region, the allies and long-time friends of the united states are watching it carefully. they are in some ways silent partners all through this. president trump saying that he had been keeping president moon of south korea informed along the way and contacted him by phone as well. there will ba visit from secretary pompeo to south korea, japan, and china. but on the issue of u.s. personnel in this region, that,
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ofurse, has long been the case for deterrence to support our allies like south korea and japan. a deterrent that is not a hot war, we see the exercise happen, the training, the ready to fight tonight mantra of some of the personnel, but it has been forture that this is good for the united states to have this det effect in this part of the world. an official from south korea, let us know part of what they are responding to in the moment. and that say big question mark regarding the u.s., president trump's comments conceing the end of the combined military drill, and so on, we need to find out the exacteaning or intention behind his comments at this point. so question marks linger. what will it look like? what will it mean? how will it affect our partners? that's a big storyline going forward. and it will be a challenge for the president to reassure allies and to work with them and with secretary mattis at the department of defense to find
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out what kind of military posture's appropriate and that's war games, he's likes to call it, have long been a reassurance to our partners and a show of might to those who might cause trouble. >> right? >> reporter: so this will be something the president will have to really kind of keep negotiating with friends and even with the american people. >> kelly o'donnell with us here in singapore. thank you much, my friend. i appreciate it. i want to bring in now speaking of the department of defense, hans nichols who's back home in washington. so, hans, if that statement from south korea was the equivalent of an emoji shrug, are we getting anymore details from the pentagon about what it means? >> we're gagtd pledge to work with allies and partners and to on th page as the white house. let me read you the official statement here. it's really an attempt to make sure there isn't any daylight between the white house and pentagon when publicly there obviously is. here's what they say. the department of defense continues to work with the white house, the inner agency and our allies and partners on the way forward following the u.s. dprk
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summit. we will provide additional formation as it becomes available. ercises, the nex ones that tend to take place august, you have something called ufg, these are table talk exercises. they don't cost a lot of money. the idea that you're going to save a tremendous amount of money by canceling these exercises doesn't seem to wash. and then in general when you talk to offic here about military exercises, whether it's the annual spring exercisesors whenever they are, they always stress that they're defensive in nature. that's why it's so critical when president trump called them provocative, trump was taking kim jong-un's line and that is that these are provocative, they're planning on invading north korea. all along the posture from officials they talked to, they can almost give it to you on muscle memory. e.ese military exercises ansay you need t train to stay ready and if you don't train, if you don't do bomber flights or any of this stuff you'll have more kpents e
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accidents and more fatalities like we've had really dangerous training here over the last 12 months. there needs to be a synchronizing between what the pentagon's official statements are and what the president just said. hallie. >> hans nichols there at the pentagon. thanks. with is now it william cohen, form ore secretary of state under president clinton. the director for korea and japan at the national security council, she's now at the center of strategic studies. and onset staying up late josh letterman along with asia correspondent for npr elise who. there's some reaction coming in fromlol hil and senators. listen. >> i don't think canceling a war game is going to matter over the arc of time. the one thing i would violently
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disagree with is removing our troops. i can't imagine i would vote for any agreement that requires us to withdraw our forces because that would destabilize asia. that's what china wants. that doesn't make the world for peaceful, it makes it more dangerous. >> secretary, is lindsey graham right here? do you agree? >> absolutely. and i would take issue with the characterization of war games. these are exercises in order to prevent a war, to deter war. and when we don't exercise and train, then you increase the risk of harm to our individual soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines. exercises are key to readiness, readiness is key to being successful in your defense or offense if it should become necessary. but to call them a war game and they are provocative is just the opposite. they are preventing war rather than provoking it. so i take issue with that. number two, i would be worried all the countries in the region,
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i was in singapore just about a week ago at the security conference of the shangri-la dialogue. all of the minutencesters of defense from the entire theater plus prime ministerodie there. they were boopeful and apprehensive. they were hopeful the meet would go forward. they were very apprehensive what the president might say or do. i think their apprehension is now warrant. he sent the signal he wants our troops out of south korea and as far as japan is concerned, maybe the japanese now have to worry whether he wants our troops oufts japan. and that certainly would change the calculus and the geopolitical dynamic in the entire region. i think you have to be very careful, i think he used inappropriate language and sent the wrong signals. >> and the other piece of it, as we show the numbers of american troops that are stationed in asia and elsewhere around the world, are there once troops come out of a region, for fex they were to come out of south korea or possibly even japan, real tough to get them back in, right? it's tough to pull them out and
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then try to reinstate those troops, secretary? >> right. number one, you have to get the consent of the country, south korea or any other country that you pull out fro number two, if you try to put them back in after you pull them hat in itself can be seen as a provocation, provocation and a preparation for war which would then increase tensions throughout the world. so it's a mistake to do this. i think it's a mistake to talk about it now. even though he signaled it may not come for some time, the mere fact that it's on the table had made this concession, you want to get the troops out, i think that tells all the countries in the region you better be prepared do it on your own. >> one of the most remarkable things about watching what has unfolded in singapore these last eight hours or so has been thinking about how far we've come from fire and furry and from little rocket man. the president, in addition to that news conference, in addition to what we saw at sentosa island, the president
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also did some interviews including with fox news's sean hannity, but hannity asked him specifically about those little rocket man comments and whether he regretted them. listen. >> i think without the rhetoric we wouldn't have been here. i really believe that. you know, we did sanctions and all of the things that you would do. but i think without the rhetoric, other administrations i don't want to get specific on that, but they had a policy of silence. if they said something very bad, very threatening and horrible, just don't answer. that's not the answer. that's not what you have to do. so i think the rhetoric, i hate dodd it, sometimes i felt foolish doing it, but we had no choice. >> do you really think lig rocket man, the insult have what got kim jong-un to the table here? >> no, it's not the insult, not calling him little rocket m on a sue sid mission or totalling destroying north korea. but it is maximum pressure policy did play a part,
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particularly sanctions trying to get to pressure north korea through sanctions an getting china do more on the sanctio front. but also it's really north korea. they achieved certain level in their nuclear missile program and kim jong-un also felt that this was a right time to sit down with president trump because he thought this was a maximum leverage point for north korea as well. so maximum pressure in part, but it's not insult. >> yeah. what's interesting, too, josh, and elise you heard the man say, what we got, what we gained and what we gave up here. that was a real question coming into this how much was president trump willing to concede what woe get out of this. we saw that joint statement the two signed, basically a page and a half, four bullet points and a couple paragraphs that kim jong-un committing to complete denuclearization, not a lot of specifics specifics on what ma meant. walk through the gains and gives. >> what wag, strik hallie, about this military freeze conference that made the news
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today was how unaware the president seemed to be that he was dropping a huge bomb into the middle of this by disclosing not even in the joint statement with kim jong-un but kind of as an after fact, oh, by the way, we're going to freeze these things. a major concession to north korea that they've been seek firing long time and how he didn't seem to realize that mentioning these kinds of things that these concessions were just something that our allies are going to be really nervous about. >> do you you think he walks it back? >> it's possible because we don't really know what south korea and what the u.s. forces in korea right now are planning to do next. as kelly o'donnell mention, u.s. forces korea said we don't know whether we're going to, you know, stop the exercises, suspend the ones coming up in august or continue to execute them. and those are the ones that aren't so offensive, not considered a threat to north korea anyway because they i don't clued the live fire drills. >> so jump back in here and secretary coheb i'll give you a chance to respond to this as
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well. what wheredoes this go from here? we know secretary pompeo is meeting with for example national security adviser john bolton and others next week according to the president after secretary pompeo gets back from a visit to the region here with our allies and he's up in china believe, he's headed to beijing. what happens in a week from now when we're sitting around in our set back in washington talking through this? >> well, i think you need to keep up the momentum. otherwise, it's going to all fizzle out. so they're going to continue to talk to the north koreans and try to set up a second meeting at perhaps secretary pompeo will meet again or go to north korea again or working level officials like ambassador song kim has to meet with his counterpart and continually work at this. right now we have this largely aspirational statement and we really didn't get anything from north korea. so we just need to keep up the momentum and continue on if we're thoen gaugement track.
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>> and secretary cohen, if we look at what's in this agreement, the president, ever the businessman called a contract, f real estate terms earlier today, i asked the same question to you. what happens next? >> well, the first thing that should happens the president should pull out the iran agreement that was negotiated by president obama and look at all the things that he claimed were insufficient and wrong and bad for the country. >> yeah. >> start there and say, okay, now we're going to on an agreement specifically with great specificity here are the things that we have to do and you have to do and don't be ambiguous about it, no lack of clarity and take those steps on each and every point and negotiate those down. i think he's gone about it in ngs in reverse.s done a number but let's take this moment and say let's go forward now and see if you can measure up to what your rhetoric has been in the past. you'll have a great deal, much better than we had in iran and start with that as a baseline
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and go from there. >> former defenseretary bill ho cohen it's a pleasure to have your analysis and perspective here. thank you very much. we have a lot of breakdowns of all the angles coming up, including what a full denuclearization of north korea will really look we're talking with two people who know more about this than just about anybody else on the planet. didsident trump just supply kung with tim jong-e mother of all photo ops? all of it a propaganda push and all of it as we wrap up a full day in singapore and president trump heads home on air force one. your getting serious thing. that moving out of the friend zone, moving in together and getting two of everything thing. those fur babies preparing you for real babies thing. that one for me, one for you, us together for the rest of everything. buy one iphone 8 and get one iphone 8 on us.
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welcome to jurassic world. rated pg-13. his is complete denuclearization of north korea and it will be verified. >> but is it really? and will it be? really? because there's talk and the there's reality. the word verification is nowhere in the document signed by president trump and north korean dictator kim jong-un here in singapore. and as we referenced, that document has also been short on specifics of what exactly denuclearization will look like. we got a statement just in the last few hours from the head of the international atomic energy agency who welcomed the joint statement and said, quote, the iaea stands ready to undertake any verification activities in north korea that it maybe requested to conduct by the countries concerned. okay. they're ready to go. but what about north korea? joining me now from new york is
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msnbc former secretary of state nightmares, securing the of world before its too late and bomb scare, the history and future of nuclear weapon he also happens to be pulling an all nighter. we're joined by wendy sherman, a formerundersecretary of state, wainvolved in iran's nuclear deal and a friend of the show. to you both welcome on this big morning. joe, let me start with you because i want to get your reaction to what you heard from president trump, what you saw in that brief statement that as we've been talking about didn't have too many specifics in it. what do you need to see to feel confident in what's coming out of the summit? >> you just heard the president say this is the complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula. well, that statement says that, but doesn't provide any details. so we start off with a handicap. there's less verification, less details in this than in any other agreement previously
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negotiated with the north koreans. >> and, joe, i'm interrupting you rudely because we're taking a live look at what appears to be kim jong-un's motorcade leaving his hotel after this summit. wanted to make sure folks know what we're looking at on screen here. >> sure. >> remember it was just about 24 hours ago that kim was in his motorcade for a different reason. he was checking out the tourist sites. he was on the pist 4 floor of the marina bay casino and resort taking in some of the things to see here in singapore. and you can see that motorcade pulling away now. joe, we're going to keep this up on screen, but please finish your sentence, sir. >> sure. well, we have to hope that kim jong-un was impress wednesdaed singapore and like to have pyongyang look like singapore and is willing to trade his nuclear weapons for economic incentives. the document doesn't spell out exactly whathat is so we have to get secretary pompeo to work immediately nailing down the details on this. and outlining a process where
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you can have teams of people working step by step, phase by phase on detailing and getting a complete declaration of what north korea has everywhere, material, weapons, missile sites, manufacturing facilities, getting verification mechanisms put in place. >> yeah. >> and then a process to detail when they're going to dismantle what. that's the promise of this process, but we are a long way away from seeing any implementation of this. >> so, ambassador sherman, was tay mistake not to include that word? not to include verification in this joint statement these two signed? >> it's the first time in the agreements that have been written in the past where there was no reference to either have a fa occasion or inspections all the way back in 1992, north and south korea signed a joint declaration of denuclearization when they -- where they laid out all the facilities and programs that had to end, the inspections that had to happen. so that didn't even involve the united states. and then in 2005 ambassador
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chris hill as part of the six-party talks was part of negotiating a statement by all six parties that used the word verification of the denuclearization. we've goa very long way to go here. and the steps that joe laid out are exactly the ones that are needed. and most importantly, a framework for the negotiators who can really get to work and a team that has all the experts on it that are needed to do something this complicated and this difficult. >> when we talk about nuclear deals, ambassador, we know the president wants them with north korea. we know the president hated the one that you helped negotiate with iran, he's called it the worst deal ever, horrible, major embarrassment, et cetera, et cetera. what do you think he can learn good and bad from the experience you went through with respect to conventional weapons and with the nukes? >> before we got into the real intense negotiations during the
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twist period, i asked our team to write an entire document based on the presentation that president obama had given to us to stop all the pathways for material for nuclear weapon and make sure iran couldn't get a nuke wrar weapon. iran didn't have nuclear weapons but it had a plutonium program that could would have given them the material. my team wrote a document that was 100 pages long and we sat the entire team for two days in a conference reem and went over it line by line, not because we thought we'd get that exact deal. we of of course in a multilateral setting negotiating with all the members of the -- permanent members of the security council in germany and the european union. but we knew what we were trying to get and we knew all the detail that was required and who on our team were the experts that we should count on and turn to to make those decisions. and the last thing i'll say, is the president obama was very clear about what we had to
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accomplish. what the president and kim jong-un needed to do, w secretary pompeo and his counterpart if it's going to be kim yong-chol has to do is what are those right and left margins that the negotiators need. and finally they're going to need persistence and patience, which isn't exactly the hallmark of this administration. >> ambassador wendy sherman, joe, time for you to hit the sack. thank you both for being with us. up next, pomp, circumstance, and propaganda. the flags, the touching, the warm words, how kim jong-un might be able to use all of these opt ticks to his advantage once he's back on home turf. but first, president trump's not alone in thinking kim jong-un's a good guy. here's dennis rodnesota weighing in from the sidelines. >> i don't look at him as a dictator, i look at him as a person that wants to try to blend in with the world. i try to convey that to people but people looked at me like i
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good morning. we are back live from singapore and we're going to quickly recap where we are right now after the historic one on one between trump and north korean dictator kim jong-un. you have the presidentaboard
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air force one right now. he is on his way back home after reaching a nuclear agreement that was big on symbolism but short on substance. they signed a documeor what they call the complete denuclearization ofhe korean peninsula. but there was no timeline, nothing spelled out about what denuclearization would look like. as part of the negotiation, president trump said the u.s. would suspend longstanding military drills between u.s. and south korean forces. he also placed a lot of emphasis on the personal relationship he forthed with kim jong-un in the span of just about five hours. watch. >> president, what's the -- about chairman kim? >> great personality and very smart. he's a very talented man. he's got a great personality. he's a, you know, funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. >> nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely is here in singapore with me. the big question is hows all of this going to play at home for kim jong-un?
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we saw his motorcade leaving the hotel here in singapore heading presumably out to the airport to catch his flight back to pyongyang. what happens when he lands? >> reporter: well, hallie, i think it must be party time in pyongyang. the elite must be pinching themselves because they've got the prize that they always hoped to get for decades, the respect of the one country they've always wanted, the united states. and recognition as if you like an equal partner. and for kim, he's out of international isolation and he's being praised not as a pariah but as a partner. so what's going to be in the north korean media tomorrow morning? let's start with the first ten seconds of the summit and have a look at what's behind the two leaders. there are 12 flags there, six north korean, six american. so equal status. at the meetings, the same number of officials from north korea as there were from the united states. equal treatment. in the agreement, well, fine
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words from pyongyang but the same ones than they've been using for 26 years. so nice and comfortable for pyongyang. meanwhile, the united states agrees to security guarantees and then president trump drops the bombshell that pyongyang has been dreaming about for ten years, he says military exercises are off. now, when i've been in north korea they've always said these exercises are so provocative, call them off. well, they're finished and south korea, the old enemy, is in a complete spin because the presidency and the military apparently now nothing about this. we basically had two statements from those two places from the blue house in the military saition saying basically, what? you know, we need time to work out what the president said. so i think for kim jong-un, for his people, and you will see this in the media because the north korean media has been all over this summit in a way certainly i've never seen
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before. it's been all over the newspapers, all over north korean television, and of course there is only state media so there will be no opposition that says this was not a good deal. kim will come across as the great leader who has managed to drag or get the united states to the negotiating table. hallie. >> bill neely, somebody who knows this area well, you've been to north korea, bill, a you've talked about. and so that is some invaluable perspective. i want to bring back in the former analyst for korea as well as the director of korean and japan. josh lertman with the associated pression. and asian correspondent. as i'm sitting in the room as the president is holding this press conference, it started off with these video screens popping up and that video playing slickly produced if the was like a movie trail, he the deep hollywood voice, destiny pictures presents, and it was
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basically propaganda for why north korea should get on board with the idea of denuclearization in exchange for investment from western countries. i think we have a little bit to play you of that here. watch. >> a new world can begin today. one of friendship, respect, and good will. be part of that world where the doors of opportunity are ready to be opened. investment from around the world where you can have medical breakthroughs and abundance of resources, innovative technology, and new discoveries. >> so, the u.s. delegation showed that to kim and his delegation on an ipad in the table inside that expanded bilateral meeting. do you think it was effective? >> i don't think that video was effective. we still have not got a commitment from north korea, clear commitment that they will
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denuclearize and complete vooir vary fire irreversible way. that statement was largely aspirational, there was no details there at all. but i want to say a little bit about this domestic propaganda. kim jong-un there are was a huge coming-out party for him for north korea as the newest member of the nuclear state in the world stage. and he had his north korean camera crew follow him everywhere, even as he was taking a selfie. had say huge boost for kim. what he wanted as international legitimacy, prestige, respect, he was to be treated as equal with the united states. he got all of that. and in return what did he really give in and we still have long way to go. we don't even have a commitment, i don't think, by kim jong-un that north korea will really un laterally dismantle all of their nuclear weapons program. >> alesion, touch on the propaganda piece of this. >> north koras made the bet this was going to be successful and look good for them because typically north korean media waits a couple days after summits to then show images and
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report on what happened. in this summit's case, north korean media has already shown images of the singapore walk about, the singapore sightseeing that happened last night. it seems to be taking that risk and betting that it would play well for them. >> u.s. officials that were involved in the planning for this tell us that throughout the run-up to this, north korean officials were very set on maintaining parody between what the u.s. had and the north koreans had. >> equal flags. >> five security guys here, five on this side. that shows you how they want to make it look like president trump and kim jong-un were equal. >> president trump dodged that question when asked specific will if he believed he and kim jong-un were equals he said well, i wouldn't go that far. something to watch for sure. stick around. back home in the u.s. we're gregt action from lawmakers on capitol hill this morning and it is coming in fast and furious.
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snart democratic leader schumer is life giving his thoughts on north korea. garrett haake got some other thoughts from some other lawmakers there because in an unusual twist when we're talking about donald trump, everybody loves a microphone it seems like this morning. they want to talk to you, garrett, for a change. >> reporter: they want to talk, they want to weigh in. and so far there's been sort of a consensus what we've heard from senators in both parties, a certain degree of cautious optimism about this with the sliding scale being between how cautious and how optimistic we are. we've heard from senators saying we know last night wasn't a lot, it was a starting point. senator cornyn said it was touching gloves with the north koreans. but it gives us the opportunity to potentially create something much better down the line. here's some of what we heard from senators so far today. >> the proof is going to be in the pudding. and quite frankly he's got some ress reservations or he wouldn't have said that maybe six months from now i could tell you i'm wrong. >> i think it was worth to
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leaders our country and north korea in view of the history getting together and creating a situation where they can work together. >> kim jong-un has put himself in a box. you met with the president, you shook his hand, you've been elevated by president trump. if you try to back out or cheatr you. >> >> reporter: and so the bottom line, this will be all about the follow-up. congress wants to be in the follow-up. senators say they want to vote on what deal comes out of this. you're hearing some pushback in how much we're willing to give newspaper terms of security on the korean peninsula. so congress i think now is going to at least they're talking about stepping up into more of this oversight role to make sure that the follow through gets done after the big night last night. >> lawmakers flexing they're muscles a little bit. thank you, sir. apiate it. inside north korea, not much is known about life in the hermit kingdom. but coming up next, i'm tauging to two people who have made out to alive. one of them, he joseph 6 kim, is
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but one of the big questions overnight has been something else. will the president bring up the serious human rights abuses in that conversation with kim jong-un zmt president said, yeah, that did actually come up. listen. >> it was discussed, it was discussed relatively briefly compared to denuclearization. they will be doing things and i think he wants to do things. i think he wants to -- you'd be very surprised, very smart, very good negotiator. wants do the right thing. >> so here's what we know about what has happened in north korea. the united nations zridescribin things like extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, the list goes on. and we're talking one person who has seen some of these terrible conditions first hand. joseph kim, who fled north korea at the age of 16, he defected to china and then made his way into the foster system in the united states. his father died of starvation and his mother and sister disappeared before he escaped. and joseph kim is joining us
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now. joseph, thank you for coming on the program. and i have to ask you, you and your family have suffered so much at the hands of the nor korean regime. can you tell me what went through your mind when you saw some of these images today? when you saw that handshake between donald trump and kim jong-un. >> well, you know, it was my work. i was watching this through my work. i had very mixed feeling in the sense that, you know, it was very interesting that, you know, people were already celebrating as if everything is going well. but, you know, i think that everyone can agree that it's still early to tell what to expect. so, you know, i had very mixed feelings and i don't know if i have the right word to describe. >> understandable, joseph. the president, one of the things he said today was that he believes kim will, quote, be doing things related to these human rights abuses we talked about. he says that kim loves his
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people. do you think that's true? >> i'm very glad that at least humahts issues has been discussed. it has been very difficult to assess whether he genuinely cares about human rights issues or human rights issues have become a great tool, a political tool for his own objectives. but talking about it is not enough. and, you know, i mean, i think that's just common sense. >> let me ask you this. i was struck as you're talking i'm thinking ban interview that you did with a magazine in new york where you talked about believing that change will happen. you talked about having the faith that change will happen. today that the moment do you still have that optimism? do joao you still have that nath things will get better for people in north korea? >> i think things can and will be better. i have belief in my people, north korean people that they will eventually overcome this
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dictatorship. to some it is -- you k we come development. but i think there is still a big question mark whether this summit will actually introduce tangible result that everyone is expecting, right? so, you know, i like that we have been hearing back and forth and i'm not sure if anyone can actually provide a tangible measurement, say, as to whether it's going to and how it's going to happen. >> joseph kim, thank you very much for being on with us today. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. joining me now is journalist una wlee was arrested and detained back in 2009. she's now an executive producer at voice of america, korean service. thank you for coming on the show. let me start with getting your reaction to what you heard from joseph kim.
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i'm wondering if you say his faith, his optimism about what could happen inkorea? >> i'm surpris to hear that he's very optimistic about the positive outcome can come very soon after going through that many difficulties when he escaped north korea. but what came to my mind after watching the summit was people in north korea, what theyhink about this summit. they are -- it they grew up listening and being taught and watching strong propaganda towards -- against the u.s. and to these people, this relationship it would be kind of -- it would be big puzzle to them. and these people don't even know what human rights are. like joseph kim, his exposure to the outside information now, he's out of his country, north korea. so people who are in north korea
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are very controlled with information. so without getting those informat i don't think they would know that they are in that humarights abuse. >> we know it, obviously. and while this was not as the president talked about, a focus of the conversation today, it was a focus of some of the questions the president got at that news conference after and some of the interviews as well. he sat down with greta van success tran, also a voice of america who really pushed him on this. i want to play you that interaction. >> nobody has to tell me he's a rough guy, he has to be a rough guy or he has been a rough person. but we get a long very well. he's smart. loves his people. he loves his country. he wants a lot of good things and that's why he's doing this. >> but he's starved them, been brutal to them, he still loves his people? >> look, he's doing what he's seen done. if you look at it. but i really have to go by today and by yesterday and by a couple of weeks ago because that's really when this whole thing
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started. >> so he's doing what he's seen done in the president's words. does that hold water with you? >> oh, kim jong-un at the beginning of this year expresse prosperity of his country, so he definitely want to bring better to his people, a better life for his people according to that statement. but this first step, i hope this summit is the first step for north korea to make that better change for the pe >> you also have the state department that wrote this back in october of 2017. the human rights abuses by the dprk regime remain among the worst in the world. many of the country's human rights abuses rwrite the regime's weapons program. can you explain how that works? what is the kind of context that people should understand that in? >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry, i did not hear you at
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all. >> oh, that's okay. we're just talking about the idea that, yeah, human rights abuses underwrite, according to the state department, the regime's weapons program. explain that. >> i'm sorry, i can'tell this, but the human rights abuse really in north korea according to u.n. reports we hear in 2014, there are from over 300 people defectors testified that they're abused brutally in north korea. and we also are talking about these abductees from japan and south korea th we have to think about those people as well. >> euna lee, thank you very much for joining us on the show, i appreciate it. coming up after the break, president trump tries to explain his harsh rhetoric towards canada's justin trudeau even as he praises kim jong-un.
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semi-famous picture, she was looking at me. you hat we were doing? erealking while we were waiting for the final copy of the document. we put out that picture. that was put out by my people. that was really a picture of me sitting -- and i'm waiting for the documents so we can final read it. >> that's president trump talking this morning about the summit before the summit. and what led to this kind of amazing photo you've seen a lot from the g7 from a few days ago, the president claiming twice in that interview this photo was put out by his people. that was not the case. it was germany who put out what ended up being a viral snapshot. ambassador wendy sherman is back with us. here's more of the president explaining why he decided to back out of that economic statement at the g7 summit as he was on his way to singapore for the talks with kim jong-un. listen.
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>> so we had a document. i get into air force one. the television is on and i see a news conference being given by the prime minister of canada. and i said, oh, that's nice, justin is -- and then he talked about how they won't be bullied. i said what's this all t. he didn't do this to my face, what's this all about. but here's what the story is. we have been taken advantage of as a country for decades by friends and enemies both. >> so ambassador if you're justin trudeau or angela merkel d watching everything unfold as you wake up this morning, what is going through your mind? how are you feeling? >> you're feeling like you are out there on your own, that your strongesy and partner, the united states of america, is no more, and to your last segment, i have to say, hallie, for a president of the united states saying that those in the labor camps in north korea will be winners, that otto warmbier's death brought us to this summit,
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that kim jong-un is honest, trustwort trustworthy, smart, those are not comments worthy of a president of the united states. so for justin trudeau who was quite mild in her statement and angela merl has known the history of her country as an east german zen before germany was reunited, they understand war and peace, life an death, and what's important to work and play well with others to get things done in the world. >> and speaking of kim jong-un, we have seen his motorcade and we've been showing it to you on the move as he gets ready to depart singapore and head bang to pyongyang. josh, the u.s. favorability ratings in these g7 countries are slipping down the toilet basically in the administration of donald trump. donald trump really doesn't care how people internationally see him. but does what happened here in singapore help or hurt that? >> difficult to tell. it's probably not going to have a large effect on the g7 countries. but the president, even if he
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doesn't care what they think about so much he definitely cares what the people in the united states think. he's trying to say everything is gi fine with the g7. his trade advisor said there was a special place in hell for justin trudeau. people can see what's going on and they can tell how much damage is being done. >> one of the pieces the president has touted and talked about is bringing back the remains of the p.o.w./m.i.a.s. >> it is something that has happened before. we've talked about these four points and a lot of these four points or all of the four points have been part of agreements that north korea has signed onto in the past. this is something north korea had signed ontoously in the clinton administration. >> thank you for dipping into your singapore evening and hanging out with me on set. ambassador wendy sherman, thank you for dipping into your morning and hanging out with me. we want to end with today's big picture. check it out, this is a picture
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of people in seoul, in south korea, holding a candlelight vigil in front of the u.s. embassy. they're hoping for a successful summit between the president and kim jong-un. we've talked a lot about implications for the u.s., but in seoul this stuff hits very close to home. the photographer here, kim hohon hong gi from reuters. for now, back to the u.s., stephanie ruhle and ali velshi. >> just stephanie ruhle today, ali velshi is off. hallie jackson, i am begging you, you need to take a rest. >> eight more hours to go, that's it. nightly news and then i'm on a plane, steph, coming back to you in the u.s. >> superwoman, thank you so much. good morning, everybody, i'm stephanie ruhle. my partner, ali velshi, off today. it is june 12th. let's try to get a little smarter. >> thank you. thank you, everybody.

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