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great. what did he get from that boss? what did kim jong-un say about inspections to make sure it's done? the answer is he didn't say anything. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on allin. >> they have great beaches. you see that whenever threw exploding their cannon into the ocean. >> the president sells america >> think of it from a real estate perspective. >> new confusion what the president agreed to. >> we will be stopping the war games. >> and the high stakes of donald trump's sales job. >> i just raised the stakes. >> new reporting that michael cohen is preparing for arrest. new details on the russian full-court press on the nra. as the trump policy of family separation continues. >> it is so morally wrong what we are doing to these people. >> -- a congresswoman who toured
a facility separated from their drenoins me . >> literally these womene noide these cases where the children are. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm cis hayes. curbsly optimistic has been the main response frns political observers to the president's political summit with north korea. just ask trump university students how far cautious optism got them. they know better than anyone how much a handshake deal and one-page agreement with donald trump is worth. summit concluded we're getti conflicting stories about a major concessions the u.s. will cease joint military exercises with south korea. >> we will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money unle and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should.
we'll be saving a tremendous apartment of money. plus it's very provocative. >> south korea was said to be blindsided by the announcement while the chinese announced it before the president said it at his press conference. republican senator cory gardner said mike pence contradicted the president today saying the vp was very clear, training exchanges will continue. after the vice president's office disputed that account, gardener clarified he was referring to one kind of specific military exercise. "war games will not occur." >> fine, but all this confusion is the completely predictable result of two volatile leaders meeting one-on-one behind closed doors without anyone taking notes and shows why any efforts to understand what happened in singapore are in some senses beside the point because there is simply no answer to that
question. certainly not right now. as long as we're being asked to take donald trump's word what was agreed to or what will happen in the future, any commitments are meaningless and the president himself just said as much. >> i think he's -- i think honestly, i think he's going to do these things. i may be wrong. i may stand before you in six months and say hey, i was wrong. i don't know that i'll admit that but i'll find some kind of excuse. >> right, i'll find an excuse. that gives away the whole game. the president admitting six months from now it may wel none of this had happened before and he'll deserve willing to lie about how it fell apart. we know that's his m.o., how he left investors with a bill for atlantic city bankruptcies and how he couldn't thousands of people into paying for seminars at trump university. it's the same way he just treated the canadian prime who gritted his teething to u secure the president's signature
only to see the efforts blown up over nothing at all once air force one took off. for more makethe su'm joined from singapore by political analyst phillip rucker. one thing that's striking to me is the way the president's body language was and the way he talked about kim jong-un who runs the sort of most isolated and arguably odious regime on the planet versus the way he talked about justin trudeau, our closest trading partner. the level of enjoy thement he got out of the two engagements. it was clear what he was happier doing. >> yeah, it's markable. he talked about kim jong-un as a talented man as someone whose people have a great fervor for him. this is a dictator, one of the greatest human rights abusers in the world, a totalitarian, a collector of nuclear weapons, a different kind of leader than justin trudeau, the prime minister of our friendly neighbor to the north canada. trump was bothered by trudeau
after that g-7 meeting, called him weak, dishonest. but clearly was dazzled by kim, fields a connection with him. said he trusts kim jong-un and is very comfortable going forward to try to come up with some sort of substantive deal in the monthsad to denuclearize the korean peninsula. >> is there any sense of what the actual forward motion looks like. >> well, it's going to be more meetings. trump indicated that kim jong-un would be invited to the white house at the appropriate time for a visit 0 washington. i think they intend to meet there in the future. they may meet other places, as well. clearly there's a beginning of normalization of relations between the u.s. and north korea. the centerpiece of that is trump's relationship with kim jong-un. they both indicated they wanted to continue that. what you s at the top of the show is right. there's not a lot of substance written d in word in this agreement that cases how exactly
north korea wok abandon these nuclear weapons and how the could trust they're doing what they say they're going to do. >> do you think g the way the prd about kim and talked about him on the campaign trail, a young guy, he kills can the uncle, he's killing everybody, he's aough guy. there's a certain admiration the president has for kim or at least his ability to manage the country in the way he does. >> i think that's right. it's the same kind of admiration he's shown for people like putin of russia, he's admired his strength, the rule in which he commands his authority in his country. he's had similar things to say about erdogan everyone had turkey, duterte in the philippines. he admir men who command their militaries and who are able to be rule to govern with real authority in their countries because of the police state them have and because of the sortf
unchecked political opposition they have, but that's a very differentind of environment the democracy in the united states or frankly in most of our traditional allies around the world. >> were any of you able to get josh bolten with a few drinks and ask him what he made of all this? >> i would love to hear that. john bolton was here. he attend aid number of the bilateral meetings yesterday. he was at the lunch with kim jong-un and the long press conference that president trump had where i was there, too. observing.n was off to the side this was clearly the mike pompeo show, the secretary of state was very much front and center, a front row seat during the press conference. he briefed reporters in advance of the summit, not bolton. this was very much a moment where pompeo was out front ading the face of this approach unlike john bolton, the national security adviser. >> phillip rucker, thanks for joining me. >> thank you.
>> i'm joined by a supporter of president trump and his diplomatic effort where north korea this congressman lee zell done. my sense is you're encouraged by what you saw in singapore. >> well, sure. you see a document being signed after the meeting. there's more work that needs to get done. it's good to see pen to paper wherjong-un is signing on to complete denuclearization. we need more information to ensure that gets done. i don't want to see a sunset provision where eight or ten years down the road, all of a sudden, waresg the sam dynamic, the dilemma we faced with regard to the iran nuclear deal. north korea may make additional requests for concessions on our part. obviouslyhave a sanctions regime in place. part of the debate with regards to the iran nuclear deal was whether or not sanctions relief would be immediate no suspension or phased in over time based on
compliance. so there's obviously a lot of conversation still to be had. it's going to take a while to denucleaze north korea. i am encouraged by the fact that pen went to paper with a commitment for complete denuclearization. >> do you think fact he signed something is going to make kim jong-un think twice? if he encounters he wants to go back on, he'll be like i did sign that piece of paper. >> i think what brought him to the table is not a detire to be able to sign a document. i think kim jong-un and the north koreans have a desire to get the sanctions relief, toe able to normalize relations within the region arod the world, to be able to improve the fiscal situation of their country and to become prosperous. that's what brought them to the table and why kim jong-un signed. >> there's a certain kind of critique that goes if you want to help the oppressed people of north korea, you don'tave to go kiss the kim jong-un.
what do you say to people who blanch at watching this? >> well, as a challenge whether he you're trying to get a nat to agree toe denuclearizing and you want to pursue a long elusive peace on the korean peninsula and potentially bring north and south together, this is something that sly has been going on a lot longer than kim jong-un has been alive and president trump has experienced nearly his entire life this forgotten war and we have a lot of korean vets here. go ahead. >> no, but the point is, there's a form of critique, we've seen it a little bit around this, but we've seen it in the past that basically you are legitimate mating someone who does all these terrible things standing there shoulder to shoulder with him and that's bad. what do you say to that idea? >> yeah, -- that's just part of the chal. are we going to be able to get the deal if you are not getting
along with him, if you are insisting on not having any north korean flags, if you -- when you have a press op, when they go into the room and you know, you want to stand instead of seated because one leader of one country is so much taller than the other, i would imagine that the staging and the conversations of who is arriving first and all of that probably had its own negotiation in and of itself. now, i wasn't in the room. you weren't in the room. but there was some indication given by president trump that they did breach the topic of human rights. however, the purpose of being there at this meeting wasn't to confront that head-on but obviously what loomed large was otto warmbier and the fact that there is a long human rights list of vlations onhe part of the north koreans. so that's true. i just don't know if it's the best negotiating tactic.
>> right. >> to confront that head-on before getting through some of had other stuff. >> i am inclined to agree. this is something that you had said about when you're critiquing president obama meeting with raul castro, no nuclear weapon there. i want to play what you had to say as a critique which represented a of republican party ctique of that effort. take a listen. >> the castro regime is made up of bad dangerous people. if president obama wants to help oppressed cuban people, he doesn't have to kiss the ring of raul castro in the process. when the president was sitting there with raul castro i'm thering to myself, you are not equals with this man. >> do you understand why people feel like there's maybe bad faith or double standard here? >> this negotiationings with cuba, have you cuban people who have long been oppressed. >> so have the north koreans. >> except here with regards to cuba, we wereaking dozens of
concessions and not getting reciprocation. that was a big issue. >> you were criticizing them sitting there as equals like that's the whole point. >> because we were sitting down with the cubans and we were making dozens of concessions on our part. >> he just sat down with kim. >> but president trump wasn't sitting down with kim jong-un and making dozens of concessions and not asking for anything in return. additionally, let's just say president trump did sit down to make dozens of concessions with kim jong-un. my problem with that situation is that kim jong-un similarly to the castr family, they won't deliver that sanctions relief to tear oppressed people. the way the system is in place in north korea similar to the way the situation is in cuba. >> right. >> it stays at the top and doesn't help the people. >> eventually that's got to be the road map. the point of all there is there's going to be quid pro quos if this is going to work out. >> you know, the cuba example
and there are other nations where we haved are negotiations in years past. i hav a problem with sitting down at the table with a foreign dictator and just unilaterally making all sorts of concessions. >> well -- >> and not getting the ruts we're looking >> the context of a negotiation. let me ask you this though. i tend to think that talking is better than war. i thinkt's good they met. that's my own perl editorial position on this. but you would agree it's a crazy thing to say that kim jong-un loves his people which is what the president said toda >> yeah, there's a -- there's a relationship that goes on between kim jong-un and his people that is is certainly unique. what's interesting so kim jong. >> congressman, that is a. >> let me get the point out. >> so kim jong-un oh preys his people. they're living in poverty. you know imprisonment. the prosperity doesn't get to
the people. >> labor camps. >> what's very interested in the north korean example, we operate in this country under the dime principle with our diplomacy military information economics. in, have you millions of iranians who want a free stable democratic iran and would love to overthrow the party in power. in north korea, the north korean pele believe the troubles they face are not in spite of kim jong-un's best efforts. >> because it's totalitarian state whereas iran does. >> and state media and you know, they have not been westernized. >> congressman, honestly, you don't th that it is fair to say that kim jong u.p. loves his people? it's the largest prison camp in the world. >> i didn't say that i never said that. >> wouldn't you agree that's a crazy thing to say that kim jong-un loves his people? >> i believe it would be better for him to do what he can in his power and there's a lot more that he can do to improve the lives of his people. >> for sure. >> that i think we agree.
>> i would add one other thing we don't know all of the details on is while we've known of all the fiscal issues happening within their nation, it seems like those fiscal challenges have worked its way further up the government and somethi that may actually be driving kim jong-un to the table is last august, there was a u.n. security council resolution effect forgive live cut off over e-third of north korean exports. it's possible kim jong-un knows he needs to pursue a different path for his country. their naths won't survive. >> congressman lee zeld inand now a critic to the president's approach to diplomacy. ed markey. what do you make of all this. >> well, we welcome engagement with north korea but this is one of the weakest agreements that we have ever seen.
what happened here was another kim family playbook where they pocket the rewards, pocket the benefits to north korea while simultaneously delaying on the concessions which are made to the united states or and to the rest of the world. here they have received from president trump an agreement that there will be a curtailment of military exercises between the south koreans and the united states. ch already saying that this is now the signal to reduce economic sanctions on the north koreans and we know that actually trade has been increasing with north korea and china in the last couple of months. so from the kim perspective, going back through his father and his grandfather, this just fits in perfectly with what has been happening in their negotiatio over the past. there is nothing tangible in
this agreement that we can point to which w towards denuclearization, lead towards a verifiable inspection of nuclear and ballistic missile sites inde of that country. >> i want to get your reaction what the president had to say about kim. let me play about him talking about kim jong-un and his character and leadership style. take a lis. >> and this is going to leado more and more and more and it's an honor to be with you. very great honor. >> he's a very talented man. i also learned that he loves his country very much. >> already, he's got a great personality. he's a funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. he loves his people, not that i'm surprised by that. >> but he starves him. he's been brutal. he still loves his people? >> he's doing what he's seen done. i have to go by today and by yesterday and by a couple of weeks ago.
that's when this whole thing started. >> he is very talented. anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to be run it and run it tough, i don't sa he was nice or i don't say anything about it, he ra he ran it. eople at that age, you can take one out of 10,000 probably couldn't do it. >> what do you make of that? >> well, you know, except for the fact that he's assassinated his relatives, that he's imprisoned tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people in his own country, that he's been shooting ballistic missiles over japan, detonating thermonuclear weapons, yeah, he seems like a nice guy. and so what we're dealing with here is a president who at the g-7 is insulting our closest allies while here, in korea, he's treating kim as though he's
his buddy. the truth is, kim u the whole playbook that his father and graer used right now is smiling like a cheshire cat back in pyongyang because so far, there have been no concession that have been given to donald trump or to the united states in this negotiation. >> there's an argument to be made that the g-7 of the two things that happened the g-7 and this the g-7 in some ways was more significant what it means for the sort of enduring long-term american alliances than the sort of photo op in singapore. what do you there of that argument? >> at the g-7, donald trump decided to insult trudeau. now, if the united states runs a afraid surplus was canada. canada buys more of our goods and services than we buy from canada.
so instead of thanking the canadians, working in a cooperative fashion with the canadians, he insults trudeau d ofsing theg-7 as a way to isolate china which is engaging in predatory international trading are policy. so the contrast between there insulting of our friends who are with us on every issue around the world and the coziying up to kim while receiving no real concessions is a very troubling picture of a president who clearly is unprepared for the negotiations with our friends or with our foes. andton does not portend well for the future of his negotiations on any of these issues globally. >> senator ed markey, thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. next the president's largest financial backer in the election the nra reportedly met with a
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among the many threads to the story of russian interference in the 2016 election in the russian connection to the national rifle association. the fbi's already reportedly investigating ties between the president's son and the kremlin-lynched russian banker and nra member aleksander torshin that met an anra meeting. now a new story suggests russians were trying to cultivate a much deeper relationship than previously reported. some prominent rsians high in the russian orthodox church have been identified as having contact with the nra officials during the 2016 u.s. election campaign. with me now co-author of that piece, peter stone. peter, we sort of knew about torsion. you guys found a bunk of new stuff. what's new in your reporting
that you found? >> we've identified a couple of new people, one of whom dimitri regozin ran their deputy defense minister with a lot of the ties to the country's and oversight of the country's arms companies. regozan had been a former minister ambassador to nato and has a reputation as kind of a far right ultranationalist in russia. on the extreme side. the other person we identified who had not been at all written about is sergei rudolph who runs a very conservative charity called st. basil the gat charitable foundation which is tied into one of the country's leading billionaires, a man named constantine malafayev who founded it. it is a little empire of far
right institutions he's built in russia. one is a think tank and another is a media company called grad. the man behind the foundati. rudov has been running it for him and it's been seen as a vehicle for again, the far right in russia. >> so you've got sort of far right russian figures and this picture of a meeting in 2016 with nra execs and sheriff david clark, a milwaukee county company sheriff and there you have the outgoing nra president. the nra is a political entity that protects the second amendment. what possible interests do the russians have in that in. >> it seemed to me, we've talked to people who were dealing with torsion over the years. one is a conservative activist
named paul erickson. he was on an earlier trip in 2013. and erickson told me over a year ago that it was a moral support mission he called it both ways. they bill it as an effort to promote a like-minded group in russia. i think the russians, the group that torsion set up there which was the host of the 2015 meeting, a group called right to bear arms which he founded a few years before, right 0 bear arms was seen as a vehicle to spur some private gun ownership in russia. but it also was obviously used as a wedge to build ties to the nra. and it a have been an effort to cozy up to the nra for various reasons. some of which are under under investigation now obviously. >> reporting says there's an investigation. you know the that the nra was trump's biggest financial backer, spent more than $30
billion, more than double what it laid out for mitt romney and the nra money started flowing much earlier in the cycle for trump. we don't have a definitive accounting whereheir nations come from, correct? >> no, we don't. a lot of money is so-called dark money. it doesn't have to be identified. it goes to a c-4 organization, non-profit. and you know, a large part of that $30 million does not have to be disclosed publicly. we don't really know. we're relying on the nra's word as their scrutinizing their books to verify or try to verify that there were no russian donations that came in which would be illegal if russian donations came if abwere used in the campaign, foreign money is not allowed to used in t campaign, that would be illegal. russians can contribute to the nra and they've acknowledged some russians did contribute. ry, very small amount.
torsion apparently -- torsion gave about 1,000 of that but they're claiming none of these monies went to campaign purposes. >> all right. peter stone, thanks for your reporting and hanks for joining us. >> after the break, new reporting the president's personalyer is worried about being arrested in the coming days that story and latest in the mueller probe next. neers. i've analyzed the data. these days all networks are great. yet some humans choose to pay so much more with verizon when they could be saving with sprint. don't forget we've got the best price for unlimited. and, sprint offers 50% off a samsung galaxy s9 lease. we must tell all humans. totally, you should find joanne in marketing a.s.a.p. joanne in marketing tell humans about 50% off a.s.a.p. (vo) switch to sprint and get excited about the samsung gs9 for people with hearing loss, at 50% off lease. visit sprintrelay.com. (sighs) i hate missing out missing out after hours. not anymore, td ameritrade lets you trade select securities 24 hours a day, five days a week. that's amazing. it's a pretty big deal. so i can trade all night long?
trump should be superworried about cohen, i anyone canw up trump it's him. regardless of that precise timing a broadpectrum war over the mueller probe is evident intensifying. from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein telling house republicans according to a fox news report he would defend himself against their threat to hold him in contempt to kellyanne conway's husband george calling out the specious legal claims of his wife's boss the president. lease bringing in legal analyst benjamin wittes from law fair and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times." george conway is married to kellyanne conway. everyone has noticed he started tweeting lots of critical things of the person that his wife works for. then he writes this piece for you. what's the argument in the piece itself? >> so the piece responds to a an
article by steven cal braycy from northwestern law school had argued that the mueller investigation was unconstitutional because of a series of technical matters related to the way he was appointed. and george w a lengthy and very detailed and very authoritative rebut to this point. arguing that there is nothing constitutionally unusual or peculiar about the appointment of bob mueller as special counsel and that we really shouldn't be arguing over the propriety of the investigation. >> the presidential tweet that was referred to the appointment of special counsel is totally unconstitutional conway writing it isn't surprising see the president tweet a meritss legal argument because as a president -- theitutional arguments made against the special counsel do not meet that
standard and had little more rigor than the tweet that promoted them. michelle, i'm going to ask you this too ben, what is the deal th george conway. >> i have no idea. i mean, iave idea. on't understand these politically mixed marriages in general. but you know, it could be i think that there are some people, there are some people who are like lee zell din and can pretend to things completely contrary to everything they claim to believe you know one year agor one month ago. and then there are some people that the kind of relentless mendacity and derangement of this administration starts to get to you and eventually you want to push back on it. right? >> that's well described that that's the sort of unrlng psychological difference. >> ben, do you have any back story here how george conway comes to write for you on this topic. >> i happen to know exactly how he came to write for me on this subject. you know, george has not made a
secret of the fact that he is appalled about what's going on. he's been tweeting his sentiment on the subject for a while now. and you know, the dirty little secret is he's not alone. there are a lot of pe in the elite conservative bar who are also very upset by what's going on. and unlike george conway they've been in large measure very quiet about it which i think that paragraph that you read is partly a criticism of others who have not spoken out and i think george has felt the need to speak out. he was very upset by this essor calabrese made and that that the president started tweeting about. and i asked him to write up his thoughts on the subject which he did.
so there's no -- i mean the answer is michelle ssh right. some people do not the instinct to keep their mouth shut about what is going on right now. and i say kudos to george conway and by the way, the real question we s be asking is not why george conway is is speaking out. it's why other people who have a lot less to protect are not speaking out. >> yeah, if you're not putting your marriage on the line. why are you not saying anything. the other thing that's happening, simmering in the background it feels like there's a little calm before the storm feeling in terms of what happens it if michael cohen is right. this story from fox news which is basically about the behind thescopies and clearly coming from nunes' people. it'sly about the war that's about to happen. escalating war between nunes and
rosenstein. deputy attorney general after being threatened with contempt an american citizen charged with contempt to congress he would have t right to defend himself an cal them as witnesses to demonstrate their allegations are false. whether he rosenstein returns from a work triple suggest the house conduct an investigation of the house staffer's conduct. it seems like it's getting more intense over there. >> the central kind of battle we have in government right now is between the forces of the law and the forces of trump and authoritarianism. those two are symbolic of those two poles. >> pen, i wonderh worse it get over there. >> well, so let me tha you know, rod rosenstein here is being put in an absurd and impossible position by an oversight committee that is supposed to, amongther things,
you know, protect intelligence sources and methods and the equities of the intelligence community that it oversees. and you know, for him to say that that should be done without you know, repeated leaks of material without you know, without the sort of. >> shenanigans that have taken place is just right and it's just reasonable. and you know, the idea that rod rosenstein is among all the her things, he has ois plate, having to fend off a contempt finding for not turning over a whole lot of supersensitive material of the sort that you never give to congress to devin nunes is just one of the weird -- it would be comic if it were not so tragic like oddities of the moment that we're in. >> benjamin wittes and michelle
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his house and i met with him because he called guy molinari and said he met with the president and speaking with the president about getting me a pardon. you said you told the president that a marine was wrongfully that is not true.ed his help. here's what i told the president. guy molinari used to be a friend. >> you said that right to my face at your house. >> guy told me he wanted to get michael a pardon. the president invited me to accompany him to fight ms-1 on air force one with him and told him a fellow marine guy molinari was looking to seek a pardon for mike. >> what did the president say? will likal grimm will be pard pardoned? the answer to all these questions and more is thing 2ing in 60 seconds is. wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it
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responsibility given to me under the i.n.a. and i'll be issuing a decision that restores sound principles of asylum and -standingrinciples of immigration law. >> oh, and what exactly were those sound principles of asimon that attorney general jeff sessions mentions there? well, it turns out he meant denying asylum to victims of domestic abuse and gang violence. in a ruling yesterday sessions wrote that such immigrants generally don't qualify for asylum. this is only the latest of many ways the administration wants to make life harder for immigrants who are attempting to come here legally. let's be clear. like the multiple reports of border agents physically blocking people from legally seeking asylum, none of this should be a surprise for an administration that constantly dehumanizes and degrades immigrants. its disastrous inhumane policy of taking children away from parents has now precipitated predictably a new crisis, which is shelters overflowing with children. the administration's solution? what they are calling tent
cities on military posts, or camps, in other words. camps. for children fleeing violence and persecution. camps for children on american soil. there are people in our government ting to doing? about these odious developments. congresswoman jayapal went to a federal prison to meet the immigrant women who came here seeking asylum only to have their children taken away from them. congresswoman jayapal says most of these women n have absolutely no idea where their children are. the congresswoman joins me next. e everything for his well-being. but meningitis b progresses quickly and can be fatal, sometimes within 24 hours. while meningitis b is uncommon, about 1 in 10 infected will die. like millions of others, your teen may not be vaccinated against meningitis b. meningitis b strikuickly. be quick to talk to your teen's doctor about a meningitis b vaccine. so let's promote our summer travel deal
the trump administration has ripped hundreds of children from their parents at the border. in some cases it appears not even telling the families what's happening. as bigging about reporter liz goodwin reported, "al ema eman bendiks who's a public defender, said several of her clients have told her their chdren were taken from her border control agents who said they were going to give them a bath. as hours passed it was clear they weren't coming back."
congressman jayapal met with mothers who were sent to a prison in her state. what was it like inside that facility? what did you hear? >> chris, it was heartbreaking. i met with 174 women in three different groups, what they called three pods, in a federal prison. shockingly, it's a prison after all. they told mewas the best treatment that they've received in all their time being detained, which tells you something about how they were treated in i.c.e. and border patrol custody. these are women, the vast majority of whom are seeking asylum, trying to escape rape and violence and murder. one woman from el salvador had her eldest son shot. her second son had been -- her eldest son was shot and killed. her second son was shot and paralyzed. and she took her final child to try to bring him to the united states for safety. story after story like this, chris. and these women were forcibly separated from their children at the border. you mentioned being told they were being taken for a bath.
similar kinds of stories, where a woman was taken out to get her photograph taken, taken to these mass prosecutions in these criminal courts that they've set up where they're prosecuting 75 to 100 women at a time, and then came back and found there was no child there anymore. not a one of them had been able to say good-bye to their children. and none of them knew where their children were. none of them had spoken to their children. they had literally been in detention probably 40% to 50% of them for more than a month in our or five facilities. these were all individuals who were transferred mostly from the texas border. they hailed from 16 different countries. they were sitting in a room next to the room where their child was being held in some cases, and they could hear the children screaming for their parents. it was absolutely heartbreaking. and their treatment in the i.c.e. and border patrol facilities was just outrageous. i have worked on immigration issues for 20 years, and this is
about as bad as i've seen it. in many cases they were not given water to drink for five days. they had a sink in their cell, and that water was dirty, chlorinated water and that's what they had to drink. one woman said she was hit twice by border patrol right here just below her eye on her cheekbone. many of them talked about these facilities that they have nicknames for. one nickname is the icebox because the temperatures are so cold that they liken it to a freezer. some of these women had crossed the rio grande, come out of the river wet to turn themselves in, and were immediately put into these freezing facilities, no blankets, no mats. another facility they call the dog pound because filled with cages. like kennels. which is where they were held. and chris, i just have to tell you, it was heartbreaking. every time they talked about their children they went. they are strong courageous women escaping rape, gang violence,
murder, political persecution, coming to the united states. they want to do this legally. they have not yet had what is called a credible fear hearing, which is what determines whether or not you get asylum. >> i just want to be clear on that. this is a technical point. but have they had anyone do a first pass with them on credible fear? >> no. they had not had any credible fear hearings. and most of them had not seen an attorney. and in fact, you know, i have to say i was very surprised that i was allowed in. the warden was great to me. the prison staff were really good to me. much better actually than sometimes my dealings with ice. but i was ableo ask them if they wanted an attorney. and we took down over 100 names of women who wanted to see an attorney in order to then give it to our partners, the northwest immigrant rights project, so they could connect with them and at least get some legal resources. some of the women had been given tees little slips of paper,
white slips of paper, that had their name and then their kids' names, and one woman said to me, these are not my children, the names that were listed on the paper, were not even her children. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you so much for reporting that out for us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> as i've mentioned before, we have a great episode about this topic on "why is this happening?" plus we have a brand new episode today with amy chu on political tribalism. also very good in my opinion. check it out. on tune in or whenever you get your podc that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. that was stunning with congresswoman jayapal. i saw her reporting, i saw her talking about it, and i saw the video that she posted on facebook about it, but her going into that kind of detail with you right now is -- >> unreal. >> -- just chilling. unbelievable. thank you. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. glad to have you with us. lots of news going on. here's your pop quiz. north korea. north korea has borders with three other countries. what are the three other countries? i will spot you