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glad to have you with us lots of news going on. here the pop quiz north korea. north korea has borders with three other countries. what are the three other countries? i will spot you the first two. obviously, north korea has a border with south korea, one of the most famous borders on earth. it features a real live dmz. it's one of the most fraught conflict lines on the planet, and it has been for decades. so that's one of the two i will spot you. obviously, north korea borders south korea. north korea also borders china. north korean border with china is way longer than its border with south korea. the length of that border, the 23 different road crossings across that north korea-china border, all those things make china acutely interested in north korean affairs. not just as i friendly neighbor but also because china quite desperately doesn't want north korea to suffer some sort of catastrophic collapse.
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north korea falling apart, war in north korea, an unimaginable uprising of the people in north korea, anything that might cause the collapse of that weird isolated repressed, poor place, that would produce potentially millions of north korean refugees, which china believes would become their instant problem and one they do not want. so that worry, that balancing act with north korea over that big long porous border they've got with north korea, i think that explains a lot of china's attitude toward them. particularly as china's economic rise has created such an increasing contrast between living standards in china and what people have to endure in north korea. they're very conscious of that border. big important international geopolitical thing. so that's two of the three, right? north korea borders south korea. north korea borders china. what is the third country with which north korea has a border? it's right up there on the sea
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coast in the northeastern corner of north korea, where the tumen river filters into a muddy delta and reaches the sea. it's up there in the far north. it's a wicked cold, winged isolated gray little corner of the world. north korea has a tiny little sniglet of a border way third country there. there's only one crossing over that border. it's a bridge. it is a bridge you cannot walk across, nor can you drive across it. you can only take a train across it. it's the one crossing on that border between north korea and that third country. if you take that train, which doesn't come very often, if you take that train across are that bridge from north korea and they let you cross that border, where you end up in is russia. that's the third country that borders north korea. in 1860 russia annexed, came in and annexed that little spit of land at the delta of the tumen river. previously, that territory had
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been china. but russia came in while we were busy starting our own civil war in 1860, and they pushed the chinese border back 11 miles inland. and that had one very important consequence for china. it cut off china's access to the sea anywhere north of the korean peninsula. and russia in taking that peace of land, they also bought themselves a weird little 11-mile-long border between russia and the other weirdest country on earth. technically, north korea is a communist country, one of the last few communist countries on earth. when the soviet union still existed, the ussr was the main outside entity that was propping up north korea, more than any other ally or any other benefactor. one of the great humanitarian catastrophes of the 20th century happened very late in the 20th century. it happened in the 1990s in north korea, when widespread
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sustained famine in that country is estimated to have killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. in the '90s. that famine and its astounding death toll were sort of hard for the rest of the world to see because north korea is such a closed and secretive and isolated country. but that famine didn't happen in isolation. part of the reason that famine is believed to have happened and happened then is because of the collapse of the soviet union. at the end of the '80s, beginning of the '90s. they really had been north korea's main lifeline in terms of economic support. when the soviet union collapsed at the start of the '90s, so did north korea's ability to feed its population. its patron went into chaos. north korea started to starve to death. well, now of course it's china th is the ascendant economic superpower in that region and in the world. and now it is china that is keeping north korea alive economically. accounting for more than 90% of
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north korea's trade. but it's both china and russia who both have a big stake in that country. china and russia are both literally neighbors with north korea. they're abutters. even if russia's north korea border just has that one train bridge and a bunch of miserable guards and nothing else. when president trump met with kim jong un last night, it was easy to be caught up in the strange spectacle of that meeting. when things happen that have never happened before. when things happen for which there's no parallel in american history, it can be hard to sort of get your bearings in terms of what you ought to expect and what should be seen as a shocking departure from what you expected. it can be hard to see what would -- can be counted as a good g. outcome versus a bad outcome when nothing like it has happened before. the thing about unprecedented events is they exist in a
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category of their own. you have nothing to stack up next to them to try to keep perspective, to know when something is right or something is definitely off. but even with those caveats about last night, i think it is safe to say there is one thing, one very big thing that was definitely off about that meeting last night. and that is the baseline reality that we don't know what it was for. why did that happen? what was that for? no u.s. president has ever agreed to meet with a north korean dictator before. they've sought this for decades. kim jong un has wanted this for years. his father want td before him. his grandfather wanted it before him. all u.s. presidents have been asked. all u.s. presidents have considered it, at least to a certain degree. none of them have said yes. why did this u.s. president agree to this meeting? why give north korea a one-on-one in-person summit with the american president with all
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this pageantry and all the honorifics? after every other president said no why did this president say yes? what was it for? i mean, north korea made no new promises in order to get this summit. no new promises about their weapons program or their own behavior toward their own people or anything else. the north korean dictator did reassert what has been a long-time vague assurance from the north korean government that they seek to denuclearize the korean peninsula. but you know what? north korean dictators have been saying that to the united states in the context of various agreements and negotiations for more than 25 years now. that's nothing new. they start pledging they would denuclearize the korean peninsula in the early '90s. since then they have dropped out of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. they've mastered and completed multiple nuclear fuel cycles. they've successfully developed operational nuclear weapons. they've manufactured what are believed to be dozens of operational nuclear bombs. they've advanced their missile program so they have reliable
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short, medium, and long-range missiles that they could use to fire those nuclear weapons as far away as chicago if they so desire. and they got themselves even a hydrogen bomb as of 2017. that's what they've done since they first started promising in the early '90s that they'd be happy to denuclearize the korean peninsula. that's their vision of a denuclearized korean peninsula and their role in it. them having dozens of nuclear weapons and vehicles to deliver them all over the globe. that's what they mean by we want to denuclearize. so in order to get this summit last night with the american president the north korean dictator and the north korean government appeared to have not promised change of any kind in their nuclear program or in any other policy. literally, they gave up nothing. they promised nothing. in exchange for that generous
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offer president trump gave north korea this royal wedding-style summit in which north korea was billed as a nation equal in stature to the united states and the north korean dictator was billed as an international leader equal in stature to the president of the united states. as a bonus the president also threw in literally hours of unwavering over-the-top praise for the north korean dictator and his repeated insistence that it was his honor as president of the united states to have the opportunity to meet with the dictator. and then, surprise, president trump announced when it was all over that he would end the joint military exercises between the u.s. and south korea. what? south korea is supposed to be one of our closest allies, but apparently they had no idea this was coming. "south korea appears to have been blindsided by trump's change of heart on war games. u.s. officials could not confirm that trump had told counterparts in seoul about the plan to
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suspend military exercises." south korea soon put out a statement saying they were trying to figure out the exact meaning and intentions in president trump's comments. because they had no idea this announcement was coming. in addition to blindsiding south korea about ending joint military exercises between the u.s. and south korean militaries, president trump also appears to have blindsided the u.s. military with his announcement. "the u.s. military" -- excuse me. "the united states military in south korea was also apparently blindsided by mr. trump's remarks. u.s. forces korea said they had received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises." so big picture, what was this summit all about? they had the summit. right? they had the one-on-one meeting and then the extend bilateral meeting with other aides and put out the written statement.
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the written statement didn't say anything about ending military exercises. but after all that happens the president sort of casually announces, after the wedding was over, that at some point during the festivities he had told them that he'd be calling off u.s. and south korean joint military exercises. we've been doing those every year since the 1950s. u.s. forces korea, the u.s. military in korea, had absolutely no idea this was coming. and that turns out to not just be strange. it's materially consequential because right now u.s. forces korea are in the midst of preparing for their next big round of military exercises with south korea. the ones they do every year. if you look at the longer statement u.s. forces korea put out in response to the president's remarks, it seemed to indicate that maybe the defense department, maybe the u.s. military might even be planning on going ahead with those next exercises with south korea because they're not sure if trump actually meant what he
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so casually mentioned after the summit was over. what the u.s. forces korea statement said was "we have received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises to include this fall's scheduled ulchi freedom guardian. in coordination with our republic of korea partners we will continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance from the department of defense." ulchi freedom guardian is a very large joint military exercise that's scheduled to start in late august. i think it's like 11 days long. it's one of the biggest military exercises on earth. tens of thousands of south korean troops. nearly 20,000 u.s. troops. apparently, the defense department is going to proceed as if they are still doing that because they haven't received any official word and maybe this is like trump announce he wants hillary clinton investigated or maybe i'm going to pardon martha stewart. like they have to wonder if this
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is just a thought he's had and it's not something he's going to follow through on and so it's therefore not something they're supposed to follow through on. but if he did mean it, if he is actually ordering an end to these joint military exercises between the u.s. and south korea, that is an absolute jackpot for the north korean dictator. that is one of the things he wants most on earth that he and his father and grandfather have been trying to get for decades. and now trump has apparently just given it to them in exchange for nothing. do you remember last year when north korea threatened to nuke guam? remember they said they were going to shoot nuclear missiles at guam, they made very detailed threats about the four nuclear bombs they were going to drop on guam and how exactly they were going to do that? remember that? they made that threat to protest last year's ulchi freedom guardian, last year's big joint u.s.-south korea military exercises in august.
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remember before then the flames and ashes threat? "if we push the buttons to annihilate the enemies even right now all bases of provocations will be reduced to seas in flames and ashes in a moment." that threat was in protest of u.s.-south korea military exercises. when they threatened to turn the sea of japan into a nuclear sea of fire, that was in protest of south-south korea military exercises. when they freaking torpedoed a south korean ship and killed more than 40 south korean sailors in 2010, that was in response to u.s.-south korean military exercises. when north korea announced that they considered themselves to no longer be bound by the ceasefire that ended the korean war in the '50s, that was in protest of u.s.-south korean military exercises. for years, for decades, north korea has not just demanded. they have hysterically demanded and fired missiles and killed people and sunk ships and shelled inhabited south korean islands to stop these joint
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u.s.-south korean military exercises. and now trump has just given them that for free, for nothing, apparently without talking to anybody else about it, including his own military or the south koreans or anybody. the u.s. government, the trump administration insisted there would be no concessions to north korea unless they had complete verifiable irreversible denuclearization. right? they'd have to do that before the u.s. gave them anything. they didn't give any of that. they didn't even promise to do it. and they got an end to u.s. joint military exercises with south korea, one of the things they want most in the world, that they've been trying to get for decades? why'd they get that? why did trump give that to them? he didn't apparently negotiate it with anyone else even in the u.s. government or u.s. military. he just himself gave it away. why did he do that? you know who else wants the u.s. to stop its joint military exercises with south korea?
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the abutters. china naturally sees itself as the great power in the region and increasingly in the world. they definitely see north korea as not just a troublesome neighbor but a neighbor that is squarely within their sphere of exclusive influence. from china's perspective if there are supposed to be foreign troops circulating in that part of the world that would be chinese troops and not anybody else's. china for years has advocated that the u.s. stop these joint military exercises with south korea. the other entity that really wants the u.s. to stop its joint military exercises with south korea, the other country that has been increasingly insistent that those exercises are prove provocations and they must stop, the country that has been speaking out on that more and more in the last couple of years specifically is north korea's other abutter. here's russia. march of 2016. expressing their opposition to south korean-u.s. military exercises. here's russia again march of
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2017 when those same u.s.-south korean joint military exercises rolled around again the same time the next year because they're annual exercises. but russia's starting to get a little more bold in the past year or two in expressing their opposition to the u.s. participating in these joint military exercises. here's russia in december 2017 getting even pushier about it, sending the head of the russian armed forces to the russian city that is nearest to that little sniglet of the north korean border to personally proclaim his opposition to the u.s. forces -- to u.s. forces participating in these joint military operations with south korea. russia has just this tiny little border, 11-mile-long border with north korea, with one crossing on a train and they've got a troubled and varied history with that country. but russia is also increasingly straining at its borders right now and shoving back u.s. and western influence, especially u.s. and western military
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presence, anywhere near what it considers to be its own geopolitical interests. and one of the things that they have started to loudly insist on is that the u.s. drop those joint military exercises with south korea. the u.s. has kept those going as a pillar of u.s. national security strategy for, ooh, 70 years now. until last night. when trump casually announced that that's over now, he's doing away with those. blindsided everybody involved. and gave north korea something they desperately want and would do almost anything for. except he gave it to them for free. how come? feel the clarity of
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in the 2008 presidential election one of the earliest primary debates of that election barack obama, then a candidate, was asked whether he'd be willing to meet without preconditions in the first year of his presidency with the leaders of iran, syria, venezuela, cuba, or north korea. his answer caused an uproar. >> senator obama? >> i would. and the reason is this. that the notion that somehow not
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talking to countries is punishment to them, which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration, is ridiculous. >> senator clinton? >> well, i will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year. i don't want to be used for propaganda purposes. certainly we're not going to just have our president meet with fidel castro and hugo chavez and you know, the president of north korea. >> this was the a.p. headline the next day. "obama debate comments set off firestorm." and that was true in the primary. it was true later on too. hillary clinton went after barack obama on the campaign trail on that for months. she said that stance was irresponsible and frankly naive. national republican party went nuts over what he had said as well and when obama became the general election nominee republicans hammered him on that as much as they hammered him on anything. saying he would meet with foreign leaders without
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preconditions that was as far as they were concerned pretty much the end of the world. >> what senator obama doesn't seem to understand, that if without precondition you sit down across the table from someone who has called israel a stinking corpse and wants to destroy that country and wipe it off the map, you legitimize those comments. this is dangerous. it isn't just naive. it's dangerous. the north koreans have broken every agreement they've entered into. and we ought to go back to a little bit of ronald reagan's trust but verify. and certainly not sit down across the table from -- without precondition as senator obama said he did twice. it's just dangerous. >> look, i -- >> that was republicans then. this is republicans now. the republican national committee boldly declaring today, "trump's historic summit stands in contrast to obama's north korea failures."
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as a general rule you might have noticed that in this hour on the show here on msnbc i don't go out of my way to play tape of the president speaking. nor do i tend to spend too much time parsing whatever the latest quote is from him. that is not out of any animus on my part. it's just that the president very frequently says things that aren't true. he admits he says things that aren't true. he calls it, you know, like hyperbole. but he lies. and i feel like on this show i'd like you to be able to trust me to give you true information. because i generally feel like i can't trust what purports to be true information from this president. i just try to do the news without words from him most of the time. even though that is the general rule around here i'm going to break that rule for a second. because just as people living through this time on earth, i think we all really do need to grapple with what the president's political party is praising him for now. we have to grapple with what he just said as the sitting
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president of the united states about the most repressive dictator on earth. >> he really has been very open. and i think very honorable. >> we're getting along. you see the relationship. we're getting along. >> great personality and very smart. good combination. very worthy, very smart negotiator. absolutely. >> he's a very talented man. >> really he's got a great personality. he's a funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. >> so we got along very well. we got along from the beginning. >> he's very talented. >> very smart. very good negotiator. wants to do the right thing. >> you trust him? >> i do trust him, yeah. he trusts me. i believe. i really do. >> we got along very well. we have a great chemistry. i know people where there is no chemistry, no matter what you do you just don't have it. we had it right from the beginning. >> i would love to have him at the white house whatever it takes. i would love to have him at the white house. and i think he'd love to be there.
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>> the american president has a new best friend. and it is apparently unconditional love. senator chris murphy is a member of the senate foreign relations committee. he put out this statement today in response to the president's summit. "the president's disastrous treatment of our allies makes the syrupy photo op he just gave the brutal dictator kim jong un so dangerous. i have no quarrel with an american president talking to our enemies. but how and when you talk to your enemies, that matters." senator chris murphy, thank you very much for joining us tonight, sir. pleasure to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> so when you said how and when you talk to your enemies, that matters, what did you mean specifically in this context? >> what i mean is that the context here matters and coming on the heels of a g7 meeting in which the president was absolutely brutalizing our closest allies, people who have historically had our back, those that literally responded to our call after september 11th.
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it makes his over-the-top generous praise of kim even worse because it sends this very clear message that if you stand with us you are going to get no credit for that. in fact, you might be humiliated and embarrassed in front of the entire world. and if you engage in the kind of atrocities that kim has you get praise from the president without any substantial reform up front. none of us should kill the president for talking to a country that is largely antithetical to the united states. but when you do it literally in the same 72-hour period you that just pushed aside some of the people who have been closest to the united states and then you go out of your way to praise a guy who literally runes gulags, who has locked up hundreds of thousands of political prisoners and still engages in the open public execution of his political opponents, yeah, the context and the way in which you engage really does matter. people notice. >> do you think that north korea
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gave up anything, made any sort of meaningful concession or promise in order to get these declarations of love from the president? >> no, clearly they didn't. in fact, you could argue that they've backtracked on previous commitments. it's all semantics because there's really no there there to this document. but the language that you referenced having been included in previous agreements between the north korean regime and the united states and other partners actually included stronger language. this is the weakest that has been included in any recent document that has emerged from north korea and the united states. and even president obama, when he began the beginning negotiations with iran he said in the campaign he'd do it without preconditions. but those early stage agreements, the confidence-building measures involved give and take from both the united states and iran.
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there is simply no give from the north koreans in this agreement. they get a wonderful photo op. they get to run the clock now for a period of months or years as these negotiations play out and we're no closer to actually nuclear disarmament. >> the president didn't include in the written statement that was released at the end of the negotiations but did sort of casually mention when he talked to the press after that he also wants to call off joint u.s.-south korean military exercises. that struck me as interesting for several reasons. one is that north korea has wanted that so badly for decades and no u.s. president has previously seen fit to give that to them. the other thing is it seems like it was the president's sort of riffing in the moment. i don't know if he -- that just occurred to him while he was talking to the press or if he actually offered that to the north koreans in negotiations. but even the u.s. military doesn't seem to have known that was coming. as far as i can tell the other entities that really, really want that besides north korea are russia and china.
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did you know this was coming? do you think this is significant in terms of u.s. national security? do you know where this came from? >> we certainly didn't know it was coming. but it's not shocking given that the president has open pined to withdraw the u.s. military commitment from the peninsula, which as you mention is something that the russians and chinese have been asking for for a long time. there is this very interesting report from earlier today that suggests the chinese may have announced this cancellation of the exercises before trump did. suggesting that maybe this commitment was made before trump announced it, the chinese may have known about it. it is also very possible, rachel, that he's just a terrible negotiator and in fact if you look at the reason why he went bankrupt over and over again, it's because he took a very tough stand ahead of his negotiation with business partners or creditors and then he gave them everything that they asked for once he sat down at the table. so if it really was just a last-minute throwaway
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concession, it would be in some ways completely consistent with the ways that he negotiated as a private citizen. >> so we have total consistency with his business bankruptcy record and total inconsistency and a complete break from all modern u.s. history and presidential negotiation before him. that's -- that's a reorientation of my world. senator chris murphy, member of the foreign relations committee, thank you for being with us tonight, sir. >> thanks a lot. >> appreciate it. lots more to come tonight. lots more to come tonight. stay with us.
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if the person who spoke these words had had his way, you would never have been able to hear these words. not now, not ever. they should call in the fbi and say we wish for the country don't go any further into this
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they should call in the fbi and say we wish for the country don't go any further into this case, period. that was president richard nixon on june 23rd, 1972, trying to shut down the watergate investigation. that was him concocting a plot whereby the cia would go to the fbi and tell the fbi they needed to back off of watergate for some bogus made up national security reason that wasn't the real thing. that was the smoking gun tape. nixon fought tooth and nail to stop the public release of all the tapes he made in the oval office. the legacy of nixon's failed fight to block access to the tapes back then is now a law that applies to all presidents. it's called the presidential records act. it requires presidents to preserve their documentary materials. and that includes papers, pamphlets, videotapes, audiotapes, maybe even a single post-it note, depending on the circumstances.
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anything the president touches. any recording of the president's actions or behavior or notes. it all gets preserved. and the process for that is supposed to be orderly. it is supposed to be lawful. that is not apparently what has been been happening within the trump administration. and it has led to two guys being fired under very, very mystery mysterious circumstances. they are now talking about the circumstances of their firing. and it is a story that will curl your hair. and that's next.
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presidential records in organized files. to the extent practicable you should categorize materials as presidential records when they are created or received. you should file presidential records separately from other material, and so on. "the willful destruction or concealment of federal records is a federal crime punishable by fines and imprisonment." imprisonment. by law. documents that pertain to a sitting president must be collected and preserved. they get handed over to the national archives. national archives saves everything. it's required by law. and after that president leaves office those records, a lot of them, they eventually become public. that's how we learn what happened inside a particular white house even if that particular administration didn't tell us about it at the time. history gets made every day in the white house. we as americans eventually get to learn that history because of the presidential records act.
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it's how we get the history being made now, that we can't yet see. and that is why i have been unable to erase this headline from the back of my eyelids. "meet the guys who tape trump's papers back together." tape? what? the president's unofficial filing system involves tearing up documents into pieces, even when they are supposed to be preserved. "white house aides realized early on that they were unable to stop trump from ripping up paper after he was done with it and throwing it in the trash or, classy, on the floor. instead they chose to clean it up for him in order to make sure the president wasn't violating the law. staffers had the fragments of paper collected from the oval office as well as the private residence. and then they sent those fragments of paper over to the records management office across the street from the white house to be reassembled. armed with rolls of clear scotch tape, staffers sift through
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large piles of shredded paper and put them back together like a jigsaw puzzle. sometimes the papers would just be split down the middle but other times they would be torn into pieces so small they looked like confetti. torn by the president's own enormous hands. one career government official with close to 30 years under his belt and a top secret security clearance explained, we got scotch tape, the clear kind. you found pieces and taped it back together and then you gave it back to the supervisor." or at least that's what they were doing. this past spring, according to politico's new report, that department where they had the people from the archives taping together the president's torn up documents, this past spring they started firing people out of that department. politico spoke to two of them. two of them who had been taping the president's documents back together. they were both stripped of their badges with no explanation and marched off the white house grounds by secret service. they both then had their personal effects from their
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offices mailed to them at home. a few questions here. why were the career staffers from the national archives fired from their jobs taping the president's papers back together again, humpty-dumpty style? is anybody on that same scotch tape duty now? and what assurances do we the public have that records are being kept as the law requires? what just happened here? joining us now is the woman who broke this story, annie karni, who's a white house reporter for miss karni, congratulations on this super weird scoop, and thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> first let me ask you do we know if there are still people who are scotch-taping together the president's torn-up documents, or did this end when the gentlemen who are the subject of your piece got fired? >> no, there are still people doing it, although the amount of torn-up paper they said is less than it was at the beginning of the administration. solomon lardy, one of the men i
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talked, to said for the first five months it was basically their entire department doing this is what he told me. and when he was fired, he said there was still a woman doing it daily and a few other people. so it was still going on but the volume had decreased. >> do you have any sense since your piece came out after your discussions with these sources who had these jobs, do you have any sense why they were fired? >> i really don't know. there could be a good reason why these two men were fired, i don't know. i don't know what their record was in 30 years of government, if something came out that was a fireable idea. i have no idea. the point is they were given no explanation except they serve at the pleasure of the president and escorted off the grounds by hr. i e-mailed the hr woman who fired them. they forwarded me e-mails with her. i saw the back and forth they had with her. she never gave them any response. she never responded to me. the press office never responded to me at all on this story.
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the ripping part or the firing part. i never got any answer from the white house. so i have no insight into why they were fired, and it remains a mystery to them too. >> it is a interesting window into the personality and habits of a president to learn that as a matter of course apparently the president according to your piece tears stuff in half or tears it into teeny tiny little pieces after he's done looking at a document. he's like a human shredder, which is a thing. i don't know anybody else who does that. when you say the volume of torn-up materials that the national archive staff are trying to put back together with tape, the volume of paper they're having to deal with has shrunk, is that because the president is doing this less, or is it because white house staff are collecting fewer of the shreds and sending them to the archives to be reassembled? >> my impression of it was that they have -- aides have tried to tell him, explain to him that these papers need to be saved, don't tear them up.
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and it took a long time for an old dog to learn new tricks here. this is the way he's been doing it forever. after the piece posted i talked to people who've worked with trump at various times in his career who said they -- you know, they remember him ripping, shredding paper. so the message didn't sink in. so they just cleaned up after him to make sure that he doesn't violate the law. because they were scared. his aides were scared that he would. maybe that message has sunk in over the course of 1 1/2 years now that he's been in office. and he could be, you know, changing his habits now. but at the beginning of the administration it was just -- the volume was enough for the whole department to be working on this. >> so it could be that he's getting better. it could be conceivably that they're not cleaning up as much after him. >> i mean, i don't know. maybe that will be one of the letters we find when this all becomes history and we get more insight into what is going on. >> this is so insane.
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this is an incredible story. and you found these gentlemen who've been doing this incredibly weird thing. but wow, what a weird new window. >> it's what a few people said to me is kind of like a metaphor for the whole presidency. he's -- donald trump doesn't have a lot of preservational instincts, a lot of sense of history. and might not even have known that there were many people who have pride in their work who were tasked with this menial duty in order to clean up after him. >> known or cared. yeah. annie karni, politico's white house reporter. again, congratulations. thanks for being here tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> it's election night tonight. and we might have an upset in the making. that's next. i can't even make myself throw this this stuff on the ground as a joke. like it would be too much of a mess.
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it is election night in six states tonight. we've got statewide primary elections going on in virginia, nevada, maine, north dakota, and south carolina. plus two special elections for legislative seats in wisconsin. tonight is election night. it's been onhe calendars for a long time. it's been on the calendars for some time now. we've all known this is happening. somebody arrived a little late to the party this evening. the president tonight tweeting from air force one a presidential endorsement in the south carolina first district congressional race. this is the seat held by mark sanford, former south carolina
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governor. today at about 4:15 in the afternoon, less than three hours before the polls closed in south carolina, president trump endorsed the primary opponent to mark sanford, saying that congressman sanford has been, quote, nothing but trouble. now, by the time trump sent out that tweet, people in south carolina had been voting for about nine hours already. so it was sort of an interesting decision for the president to make this last-minute intrusion into the race when there is only a couple of hours of voting left. whatever the strategy, though, it does not look good for mark sanford tonight. polls closed in south carolina a little over two hours ago with about 50% of the vote in. congressman sanford is currently trailing behind his primary opponent, katie arrington, who is the one trump endorsed in the tweet today. these votes are still coming in. if arrington gets more than 50% of the vote when all the vote is in, she will unseat mark sanford tonight. that would make congressman sanford the second congressman primaried out of office this year. the first was robert pittenger
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of north carolina. these results from north carolina are coming in very, very slowly tonight. so we'll be watching these over the course of the evening. if when all the vote comes in, neither katie arrington nor mark sanford gets 50% of the vote, their race will go to a runoff between the two of them, and that is one that sanford would probably not be expected to survive either. not looking good tonight for congressman and former governor mark sanford. now in virginia, one of the most vulnerable republicans in congress right now is congresswoman barbara comstock. she won her republican primary tonight, though for an incumbent she faced a pretty strong opponent in tonight's primary. you see these are the results tonight in barbara comstock's race. tonight virginia's tenth district nominated barbara comstock's primary opponent. it will be state senator jennifer wexton. this seat is one of four vulnerable congressional seats in west virginia. democrats tonight nominated female candidates in all four of those districts where they want
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to unseat a republican. virginia democrats ran a record number of women candidates in the house of delegates last year. they appear to be continuing that streak with tonight's congressional primary results. democratic u.s. senator tim kaine is up for reelection. he won his democratic senate primary tonight with nobody running against him. virginia republicans were in an interesting fight, though, tonight, to nominate who they're going to pick to run against him. it's been a close race all night between a house delegate named nick freitas and a very controversial supervisor named corey stewart who has struggled with his tie toes white supremacists and anti-semitic figures in politics. he has campaigned to conserve confederate statues and appeared alongside members of unite the white group that sparked the rally in charlottesville last summer. establishment republicans had been pushing hard to try to stop corey stewart from winning this primary tonight. but look at those results. he appears to have won this primary, whether republicans
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but you should know the rest of this week is going to be a little bit nuts in terms of the news. heads up tomorrow the former security director is going to be arraigned in d.c. james wolfe is expected to plead not guilty tomorrow for allegedly lying to the fbi about his contacts with with reporters. he is supposed to have leaked information to reporters about trump campaign aide carter page. the following day the justice department's inspector general on thursday is going to release his findings on the fbi's investigation into hillary clinton and her e-mail server. also that day, justice department and the fbi are going to brief congressional leaders on that fbi source who met with three trump campaign aides, which should bring up that whole controversy again. on friday, trump campaign chair paul manafort is going to be arraigned on a third felony indictment, this time for allegedly trying to tamp were witnesses. manafort's bail could be revised or revoked at that arraignment. that could land him in jail immediately on friday.
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it's already tuesday. keep your vitamins close at hand. stay hydrated. we can do this together. that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening. >> i'm busy taking notes. on thursday, i'm going have to rerun the tape. >> i didn't even get to what's going to happen to michael cohen on friday. >> we're going talk about michael cohen here in this hour and the worries within trump world about michael cohen. but rachel, you know, people have said, some observers have said that donald trump sometimes makes a mess of things, but the mess you were talking about earlier in your hour is actually a criminal mess. the federal record act says you cannot create a federal record and do that to it. can't do that. it's a crime. that's a crime, if you're the president or white house chief of staff and you write down notes of a meeting you've just had and you rip them up, that's a violation of federal records act.
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>> and i love that they've tried to mitigate that criminal act by having other people grab stuff off the floor and out of his trash can and piece it back togethers if he never re it up ithe first place. maybe no one will notice. that's been the operative plan involving many, many staffers of the federal government getting paid a lot of money to do that full time for months now. >> and so is it -- is it a violation if you rip it up and someone else tapes it back together? the courts have not ruled on that yet. >> presumably, once somebody tells you, hey, sir, that's a crime, you can't do that, then the next time you do it, it's got to be a crime, right? >> it really changes a lot the next time you do it. thank you, rachel. >> don't, stop, stop, stop! don't do it! remember when the president of france was donald trump's new best friend with all those awkwardly longhand shakes and pats on the back and strange touching? well, it sounds like donald
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trump has a new best friend. >> really, he's got a great personality. he's a funny guy. he is a very smart guy. he is a great negotiator. he loves his people, not that i'm surprised by that. but he loves his people. >> he loves his people. there is a reason that kim jong-un is the only overweight person we have ever seen in north korea, and that is because he is the only person in north korea who gets to eat as much as he wants, as often as he wants, eat and drink as much as he wants whenever he wants, whatever he wants, and he starves his people. starves them. masses of north koreans are starving every day and every night, and the president of the united states says the north korean hereditary dictator loves his people. he loves his people so much that donald trump said it twice. donald trump has never praised another head of state more fully than he praised kim jong-un.
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president trump has now said stronger words of praise about kim jong-un than he has ever said about even benjamin netanyahu. great personality, funny guy, great negotiator. kim jong-un didn't say any of those things about donald trump. yet donald trump, to say all of that, the only thing kim jong-un had to do was sign a piece of paper that he, quote, commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula. kim didn't have to say what century that would take place in. he didn't have to say what denuclearization means to him. and so another line of that piece of paper that the president and the dictator signed says that they, quote, commit to hold follow-on negotiations led by the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo and a relevant high level dprk official at the earliest
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possible date. not even a date certain. there isn't even a deadline for their next meeting, and the document doesn't name the north korean official who mike pompeo will be meeting with, because, of course, kim jong-un just might kill a few north korean officials between now and then. so he's not going to name the north korean official who mike pompeo will meet with because he doesn't want to guarantee that any particular north korean official will not be killed before that meeting. kim holds power through murder of people around him, including relatives and by terrorizing his entire country, and by starving millions of people. that's the person who donald trump now trusts and believes. president trump said repeatedly that he believes that kim is going to do everything that the united states wants him to do. we have never seen a more naive and trusting american president
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in a summit meeting with a foreign leader of any country in history. and we have never seen a president of the united states in a summit meeting with a more vicious leader of any country, a more untrustworthy leader of any country. and this is the leader who donald trump trusts and believes and praises more than any other in the world. >> the man you met today, kim jong-un, as you know, has killed family members, has starved his own people, is responsible for death -- why are you so comfortable calling him very talented? >> well, he is very talented. anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough -- i don't say he was nice or i don't say anything about it. he ran it. very few people at that age -- one out of 10,000 probably couldn't do it. >> run it tough. he ran it tough on otto
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warmbier. the president of the united states is actually praising the toughness of a hereditary dictator, a man who inherited his dictatorship and runs it tough through murder and torture and starvation and imprisonment of anyone and everyone he feels threatened by. and so nothing was accomplished at the singapore summit unless you believe that north korea's willingness to continue to talk to the secretary of state is an accomplishment. but north korea has always been willing to talk to the secretary of state. and so mike pompeo will be the latest secretary of state to try to get north korea to give up nuclear weapons. joining us now is john heilemann, national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc. he is the co-executive producer of circus. and who has reported from north korea multiple times. and james fellow, former speech writer for president jimmy carter and co-author of the new book "our towns: 100,000 mile
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journey into the heart of america." john heilemann, he loves his people. the president actually went to that point. and this is the same president who made so much of the otto warmbier case, a death that he blamed on kim. >> we know the president doesn't know very much about very much. that's been on vivid display throughout his presidency. and this will not be news to anybody either when you watch this performance, you see a moral cipher, someone who is the guy who came on this network when he was running for president and said that he admired vladimir putin's toughness, and when it was pointed out that vladimir putin had murder journalists, he said well, so what? it's better than barack obama who is weak, and we've killed people in the united states too. there was an abject kind of horrifying moral vacuousness that happened in singapore yesterday.
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i've been pretty depressed during this administration. >> nick, you've been to north korea multiple times. your reaction to what happened yesterday. >> well, look, north korea is not just one more repressive country. it is the most totalitarian country ever. a u.n. report noted it has no parallel. the international bar association did a report by a concentration camp survivor, a survivor of auschwitz. he compared the labor camps in north korea to those that he had survived in. >> and these labor camps have been going on for decades. >> since the beginning of the country. about 100,000 political prisoners are sent to them. and what is different -- lots of unies imprison dissidents. but in north korea if you are lalled aolitical prisoner, if you have, for example, a cell phone that kneier the china border area that can reach into china, if you have a radio with a dial so that it can get south korean broadcasts, then not only are you sent to the camp, but
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three generations of the entire family are sent together. and so this is a country that really does shot from a parallel. and what troubled me the most i think was not just the silence about human rights, but president trump seemed to become a defender of north korea, a spokesman for north korea. and he referred to military exercises as a great provocation which is the north korea position. he said that, yeah, north korea is a little rough on human rights, but lots of countries are rough. and in that same voa interview, he was asked his message to the north korean people. and he said -- he spoke up for kim jong-un. he said, yes, he loves his people. we like him. and he is trying to do right by his people. i just was imagining what happens to somebody whose got family members in those camps, and they're thinking, they're hearing that in this illegal radio in north korea, and the despair they must feel.
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>> let's underline this. voice of america radio is pumped into north korea for the few people who can hear it. what voice of america wants them to hear is some kind of hope. and what they heard was the president of the united states praising the dictator of their country. >> that's exactly right. and the only people who could hear that would be on radios that had been illegally tinkered with to get short wave broadcasts or to get chinese stations. and so they're taking an enormous risk silently listeng where nobody can hear them to at broadcast with the pictures of the great leader and the dear leader staring down at them from the wall that every house must have. and then to hear president trump say commend their leader and say that he loves his people, i mean, what do you say? >> and we now have a new breaking news report from north korea saying that donald trump
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has agreed to lift sanctions on north korea. that is a claim being made by north korean state media at this hour, saying donald trump agreed to lift sanctions against north korea along with providing it with security guarantees. the nation's state news agency has claimed. the agency also reported that kim jong-un had accepted an invitation to visit the white house, said mr. trump had indicated he would lift sanctions along with ending military exercises with south korea. there was no independent confirmation of the claim, and no immediate comment from the white house. and james fallows, the truth of it is we have no idea what was said in that room by either one of them. >> exactly. because if you benchmark this against normal militia, a head of state meeting would happen as the last stage because there would be preparation by staff members and secretary of state. at a minimum, there would be aides in the room to hear what one of these people was saying to the other so we would know
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that for a fact, and you wouldn't have the president of the united states talking about highly provocative war games, which is what north korean state media has been saying for decades in the people's daily in china. so this is one more sign that just winging it has consequences. >> the report also quotes kim as saying that the north could take additional good will measures. and so, john, this was what we're anticipating last night, two liars go into a room, two proven liars go into a room, and they're the only sources of what was said in that room. and kim wasn't going to say this smart enough to not try to say this publicly while donald trump was with him. >> right. >> and so now he says it in north korea to the north korean news agency. and what is the president of the united states going to do about this man who he has been praising? does he now call him a liar or does he say yes, i offered to lift sanctions? >> and these are some things that he has already hinted are
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things he was going to do in the future. at the appropriate time. it's going to be hard for him to say well, what i said in the press conference that i would let him come to the white house at an appropriate time. i didn't say now. splitting hairs in a situation where there is going to be no proof. all of the things that we're now talking about, some we know to be true that are things trump says are going to happen related to what are called war games by some. some are now asserted by the north korean state media. the age things. a trip to the white house, lifting of sanctions, security assurances. these are all tangible things. and what did donald trump get for those tangible things? nothing. not a single tangible thing. aspirations, happy talk, things that might happen one day in the future. and the same things north korea has been saying to successive administrations for the last 30 years. this i never like to play this game because it is so shooting fish in a barrel with a big machine gun. but if barack obama had done
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this. >> yes. >> the entire republican party would be calling for his impeachment tonight. >> well, we can fill the rest of the hour showing video of republicans criticizing president obama for even mentioning the possibility of talking directly to the north korean leader. and including the republicans who were in the room with donald trump yesterday in singapore. mike pompeo and john bolton. and so this is clearly one over those instances where they are spinning a complete circle exclusively because donald trump is doing it. >> that's right. there are a number of things that we could reasonably have expected to get. it would have been reasonable to have north korea commit to have no more nuclear tests, no more missile tests. in 1994 that. >> committed to freezing plutonium, to having international inspectors. as recently as 2005, they committed to rejoining the npt. they could have committed to some kind of verification regime, international
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inspectors. and none of that happened. so one has to sort of assume that they're simply going back to what they originally promised in 1992, which is denuclearization, by which they mean essentially that the u.s. no longer protects south korea. and in the meantime, we gave up some valuable things. we gave up military exercises. we gave the legitimacy that we confer on kim jong-un. we gave the lavish praise that president trump provided to him. we gave security guarantees in which the content is not specifically known. but we -- our great deal maker gave up quite a bit. and as john says, we didn't get anything. >> let's take a look at the motivational video that the president of the united states had made to show to kim jong-un, to show him what his future could be. let's look at this. >> will he shake the hand of peace and enjoy prosperity like he has never seen?
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a great life or more isolation? which path will be chosen? featuring president donald trump and chairman kim jong-un in a meeting to remake history, to shine in the sun. one moment, one choice. what if? the future remains to be written. >> james fallows, that looks like a child's presentation to another child to try to convince them to come to the party. and apparently donald trump wants to lift sanctions on speed boats. that's why he had that speed boat in the video. but donald trump is a true believer in materialism. there is nothing that matters to him more than his stuff. and he thinks that's universal, and he thinks that kim wants those speed boats for his people. >> and he probably wants some for himself.
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but that video, like so many things about donald trump was unintentionally very revealing. i agree with john and nick. the united states got absolutely nothing from this deal and gave up tremendous amount. donald trump got something, at least in the short-term, at least in the theme of that video being a man of destiny, setting the world's course. so he gave kim jong-un -- so trump himself was the only victor with the american citizenship from this deal. the rest of us lost. >> nick, quickly, about materialism within north korea, there is no less materialistic country or population on earth. the idea that kim wants to make his people rich strikes me as something that has not yet crossed kim's mind. >> no, i actually disagree with that to some degree. so his father -- there was a policy of military first. and kim jong-un when he took over had a dual policies of military development, but also development of the economy. and so for the -- and then recently he took away the
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military part. now it's just economic development. so in pyongyang for the elites who are allowed to live in pyongyang. you have to be an elite to live there. disabled people are pushed out of pyongyang, for example. for the elites, they have opened up nice restaurants, a dolphinarium, an amusement park. and there are these aspirations for the elites who are influential, family members of the regime that for those there is some sense that kim jong-un would actually like to lift living standards. a long way from having speed boats. >> but dolphinariums. >> speed boats for the elites. ch for joining the discussion tonight. coming up, p he will do if north korean dictator fails to live up to his promises to president trump. the president says that he will simply lie about that. and a new report tonight that the trump team is very worried about donald trump's former personal lawyer michael cohen
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it's going to hit the fan pretty soon, and that's how a friend of president trump described the special prosecutor's investigation to "vanity fair's" gabriel sherman. people close to the president believe the investigation is reaching what they call an inflection point soon, and, quote, donald is very worried, according to republican close to the president.
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trump allies reportedly view the legal cloud hanging over trump's former attorney michael cohen at least as ominous as robert mueller's investigation. michael cohen has told friends that he expects to be arrested any day now, according to a source close to cohen. reached for comment, though, michael cohen wrote in a text message to gabriel sherman, quote, your alleged source is wrong. but the idea of michael cohen flipping and cooperating with prosecutors still has trump advisers super worried. trump should be super worried about michael cohen, a former white house official said. if anyone can blow up trump, it's him. and buzzfeed news reports some democrats on the senate intelligence committee want to interview ivanka trump as part of their committee's russia investigation. that follows a buzzfeed report that found that ivanka trump was in contact with a russian weight lifter during the presidential election who offered to connect her father to vladimir putin in order to facilitate a moscow trump tower.
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ivanka trump connected the weight lifter to michael cohen, who was then working on a moscow trump tower project. at that time. joining us our discussion is jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor, and john heilemann is still with us. and jill, the worries about michael cohen seem to be mounting. and i think any lawyer out there thinks, yes, if one of your former personal lawyers is being investigated and raided by the fbi, you really should be worried about that. >> he really should be worried. and especially because less than .05% of all the documents seized had anything to do with legal representation. so there is not very much attorney-client privilege. >> so the special master who has been going over all these documents to try to preserve or hold some that should be protected by attorney-client privilege has only found less than 1% of the documents to be privileged? >> yes. that is correct.
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it is a very small fraction, which means his work, as we've all been calling him, as a fixer. >> so not legal work protected by attorney-client privilege. how do you make that distinction? >> well, it's very easy when you are the judge jones, who is the special master and you go through them, it's very clear when someone is seeking legal advice as opposed to legal advice or criminal advice. and i don't mean criminal representation. i mean the kind of advice where you work together to commit crimes or to form a deal. one of the big things was trump tower in moscow that was something that cohen was working on. those things are not in any way, shape, or form related to his legal work for donald trump. >> and john, today ivanka trump takes a step into the michael cohen story by referring the russian weight lifter to michael cohen to talk about the dream of the trump tower moscow. >> yes. and it's not a story you want to be stepping in to, for reasons
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we just describe. it's not a fairy book kind of narrative you're stepping into there, for exactly this reason. well all know a lot of lawyers who don't practice law there was a glut of lawyers. a lot of our smart friends went to law school and then decided to become investment bankers, got into business development, all kinds of stuff. we know tons of people like that. michael cohen is sort of lick that except much dumber and not like a really good lawyer who decided not to be a lawyer, and he got into business with donald trump. so he got into dirty business, right? he is like the biz-dev for enron who spent his decade running around to skeevy parts of the world where it takes even more dirty stuff to get things built than new york city, and that's saying a lot. and he dealt with nasty people doing just just at the edge of or outside the edge of the law to try to make donald trump richer by slapping his name on things that donald trump didn't own. that was michael cohen's job, and in trump world, that's a biz-dev job.
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none of it has anything to do with the law per se. the bigger problem is the stuff he was doing is not protected by attorney-client privilege. and to go back to the real point, dumb. >> you ucan't make this up. >> and deeply crooked. i don't mean necessarily -- i don't know if he has committed crimes. i'm not saying that but crooked as in bent. we know people that the rules don't really matter to them all that much. again, not something that lawyers generally tend to -- real lawyers, an attitude they tend to adopt. >> so senator ron wyden is saying he would like the staff of the intelligence committee to interview ivanka trump. he said he would like the staff to do that because there are two separate national security questions they want to talk to her about. but one of them is this connection of the russian weight lifter to michael cohen on the trump tower moscow dream. presumably, michael cohen has somewhere in all that stuff the fbi collected, some information about that specifically, and
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possibly some communication directly from ivanka trump to michael cohen about that. >> absolutely. and she should be worried about not being 100% accurate. the russian weight lifter has said i never had anything to do with anybody from the trump organization, and yet apparently there are e-mails. and that disproves that. so she has to be very careful too to do exactly what the right thing is. this is all so almost ridiculous. everybody says you can't make this up. if you did, if you wrote this as a novel, no one would accept it. no publisher would publish it because it's too ridiculous. >> i'm telling you, in the end of this whole thing, this is going to be a story would be the buildings. it's going to be a story about trump tower in moscow that never came to be, and 666 fifth avenue. ivanka trump's got a husband who is going to be deeply implicated in a lot of shady maneuvers around that building. >> 666. >> that's the kushner building that is now a billion dollars in
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debt and has led him into all kinds of compromised dealings. and on the other side, this trump tower moscow thing, which again, the more we hear about it, the more complicated it is, the more compromise it is. it went on a lot further into the campaign than we thought. we have a report that takes it up to may or june when donald trump was the de facto nominee and people like michael cohen were running around still trying to get trump tower built. these buildings and the compromises entailed in them are going to be a big part of the story of wherever we land at the end of this. >> one thing we have to be care of of. we keep referring to her as the wife of, the daughter of. she is working for the president of the united states. she is a senior adviser to him. and in that role, she has done some things that need to be looked at. so it's not because of her relationship. >> right. >> it's because of her activities and her role as an employee, an unpaid employee. heaven knows she didn't need it. she made $82 million in income outside of the white house. >> a lot of dollar dollar bills,
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y'all. >> this is a very important point, jill. our overreliance on the descriptor of president's daughter. >> yeah. >> creates a frame on the ivanka story that would be somewhat different if we simply said a senior adviser of the president, senior adviser to the president. because that's the reason she is in these spots, the investigative spots that she's in. >> that's exactly my point. and i think with eneed to make certain things clear. we have to call things what they are. when he says spygate, no one should repeat that because there is no such thing. it's a liegate, but it's not spygate. when you call her his daughter, that takes it a sort of like, well, we shouldn't be going after his family. we're not going after his family. we're going after the people who work in the administration, who worked in the campaign. those are fair game. >> she was a campaign operative. >> yes. >> and now a white house operative. >> john heilemann, thank you for joining us discussion tonight. >> always glad to be here. coming up, while the world watched the president of the united states praise a murderous dictator, the white house was
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time for tonight's episode of yesterday's news. the singapore summit blocked out all sorts of news that happened yesterday, including the white house release of financial disclosure forms for two senior advisers to the president, ivanka trump and jared kushner. according to the financial disclosures, ivanka trump and jared kushner declared at least $82 million last year in income
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as a married couple. ivanka trump reported a direct income of at least $5 million from the trust that holds her business and corporations. she also reported an income of almost $4 million from the trump international hotel in washington, d.c. and joining our discussion now, ron klain, former chief of staff to presidents joe biden and al gore, and a former senior aide to president obama. jill wine-banks is still with us. and ron, you had to file those disclosure forms in the white house. what what do you make of these disclosure forms? >> well, it's a minimum of $82 million as filed in blocks, and it might be as much as $220 million. >> because they provide ranges. >> ranges, yes. i mean -- i mean, there is nothing i can say. it's just really stunning the amount of it. and as you mentioned, $4 million of it came from her share, ivanka trump's share of proceeds from the trump international hotel where lobbyists, where
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foreign officials, foreign lobbyists show up and essentially pay cash into the trump family pockets. it is hotel emoluments clause. the guests check out. ivanka trump cashes. in. >> and jill, a judge hearing the emoluments case has been saying -- making rulings lately favorable to the plaintiffs in the emoluments case exactly about what ron's talking about. >> i would say it's about time because it seemed obvious to me from the very beginning that this is your classic case of why people should not have two jobs. and not only for them to have reported that's the kushner/trump reporting the $82 million minimum, but also donald trump has all of these interests that are clearly conflicts of interest and should not be allowed in any way, shape or form by our government. it's just wrong for him to be able to get away with, this and he has been. and especially because the trump hotel in washington is on lease from the u.s. government, a
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lease that says no one who works for the government is supposed to have any interest in the lease. and how that's been allowed to stand is beyond me. i think legally, that has to stop, and he should not have any profit from it. and he is supposed to be turning back by the way any profit at least from foreign governments that pay into it. i haven't seen any documentation that that's actually happened, and if her small percentage of the hotel produced at least this 4 million, imagine what he is earning from it. >> and his brothers, ron. >> yes. >> this money goes right through the president's family. >> that's the thing. rememberwe were told that ivanka was getting out of the family business, that she wouldn't be profiting from the family business. >> before that, we were told she wasn't going to have anything to do with the government. >> yes. >> just going to stay home in new york. that was the first thing we were told. >> then we were told she wasn't going to profit it from. and what this form tells us is not only did she profit hugely
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from her father, her boss, the president of the united states being in the white house, but clearly, obviously, her brother's profited hugely. and her father profited hugely. and so this is really just the tip of the corruption iceberg, of the millions of dollars this man and his family are making from being president of the united states. outside income. when i worked in the white house, virtually no one had any outside income. to have hundreds of millions of dollars of outside income while you're working in the white house. we're talking private citizens who is advising the president on decisions. the other thing in that lawrence, as you mentioned was her profit from the licensed products. every few months the chinese grant her more trademark that is money in her pocket. $5 million last year. how can she be advising the president on his policy vis-a-vis china given how much this is ringing her personal cash register? >> and how could he -- >> go ahead. >> zte, he is pro ticking jobs in china for a chinese company at the same time as she is
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getting these trademarks. >> we're going to have to leave it there for tonight. jill wine-banks, thank you very much for joining our discussions tonight. coming up, president trump tells us what he will do. he actually made it very clear, exactly what he will do if he discovers six months from now that he has made a terrible mistake by trusting the north korean dictator. he told us he will simply lie about it.
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excuse. that could be donald trump's life motto. "i'll find some kind of excuse." he actually said that outloud last night. he said it after saying the most naive thing anyone could actually say about the north korean dictator. president trump said repeatedly that he believes, believes kim jong-un. and then he said this. >> honestly, i think he is going to do these things. i may be wrong. i mean, i may stand before you in six months and say hey, i was wrong. i don't know that i'll ever admit that, but i'll find some kind of an excuse. >> i'll find some kind of an excuse. he has done that all of his life. he has done that with all of his wives. he has done that as a political candidate. he has done that as president. when something donald trump has promised does not happen, he either doesn't mention it again, or he finds some kind of an excuse. here is a lying promise that donald trump made that he never delivered on. >> he may not have been born in
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this country. and i'll tell you what. three weeks ago i thought he was born in this country. right now i have real doubts. have i niam have actually been studying it, and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> you have people now down there searching -- i mean in hawaii? >> absolutely. and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> he was lying. he never sent any investigators to hawaii. he never found out anything in hawaii. and he never, never apologize fordeliing about that. and here is another trump promise. >> and whose going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> mexico, 100%, 100%. >> and now even that audience knows that mexico will never pay for a wall, but here is donald trump's new excuse. >> mexico said they're not going to pay for the wall. what does that mean? what does that mean? we're renegotiating nafta. in the end, in the end, mexico is going to pay for the wall. i'm just telling you. i'm just telling you.
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>> in the end, mexico's not going to pay for the wall. and that excuse will not work. it won't happen through nafta. it won't happen in any way at all. but the trump excuses about the wall will keep coming. so what will donald trump stand before you and say in six months if absolutely nothing happens in north korea? that's the timetable the president gave himself in his declaration of belief in the truth telling and honest intent of north korea's murderous dictator. quote, i may stand before you in six months and say, hey. okay. we're going to go to a break so you will have time to try to fill in the rest of that trump excuse that we might be hearing six months from now. and when we come back from that break, we'll get ron fallow's and ron klain's answer to that question.
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honestly, i think he's going to do these things. i may be wrong. i mean, i may stand before you in six months and say, hey, i was wrong. i don't know that i'll ever admit that, but i'll find some kind of an excuse. >> back with us james fallows and ron klain. and james fallows, the president opened a window into his process there. >> he did indeed. i think it was important evidence on which of three hype these is correct for why he says so many things that aren't true. one, he genuinely is confused. he thinks he has been the most successful president. that's one hypothesis. the second is deliberate lying,
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richard nixon style. and the third is just this kind of performance art. the pro wrestling called k-fab and a book on rendering bs, not caring at all whether something is true or not. i think this is confirmation that we saw here. >> ron, my guess about this is that trump voters who are still trump voters and still trump supporters, when they see that and when they see him open that window and say, of course, well, i will never admit that i was wrong, i will find some kind of an excuse, that they are now conditioned and ready to help him with the excuse, not just accept it but help him with it and take it to their coffee shops and recite it to anyone who isn't a trump supporter. >> yeah. i mean, lawrence, this was of course the breakthrough trump tactic in the campaign, the sad breakthrough, which was making up these explanations that were patently untrue but that his supporters repeated.
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why did he never release his tax return? oh, he was under audit. you know, and who's going to pay for the wall? mexico will pay for the wall. these things are just blatantly, plainly untrue, but that he put out as stories in the campaign that his supporters shared on social media, said to their neighbors, justified their support of him. the one thing we know for sure is that donald trump will not stand up in six months and tell us he was wrong. he has never done that. and, you know, the scary thing about this otherwise kind of funny thing is that he now has kind of made a commitment to vouch for kim, to basically stand behind kim, kind of be his truth-telling ally, and that's a horrible thing to do with a dictator, a ruthless dictator who has a habit of lying. and that's what donald trump aligned himself with in singapore. >> you've both worked in the white house and democratic presidencies. james fallows, you'd be terribly worried in getting caught in something that could be called a flip-flop, within six months
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especially. do you look back on this and think we worried too much about how strict we were about our own communication? >> i worry more that we are holding donald trump to too little account. i think back to jimmy carter who during his campaign said earnestly, i'll never lie to you. his four years in office, every day was could you trap him in any single lie and that would invalidate this earnest claim he made. so it's just an entirely different universe like so many other things. >> and, ron, is there a conditioning going on with the trump voter that is still the trump voter? there surely trump voters who are no longer trump voters, aren't going to vote for him again. but they are being told every day, certainly by us and by other segments of the news media, that what the president said is untrue. does that feel to them like some sort of attack on their own judgment where they develop the same defensiveness that donald trump has on the same point?
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>> yeah. i mean i think i agree with james' three theories of why trump lies, but there's now a fourth that you've raised, which is kind of the autocrat signature, which is he lies, and you know he's lying, and he knows you know he's lying. and he lies because he's trying to tell you he can get away with it, and no one can do anything about it. now he's also passed it on to his supporters. his supporters support him in the face of the lies being called out because the lies are being called out. it's part of the power dynamic of this trump movement. that's why he attacks the media so much. he tacks anyone who wants to call him on his lies and his supporters rally behind him in those attacks. >> and, james, again the president here is saying this, and he's kind of openly laughing about it himself, saying, you know, i don't think i'll ever admit that i'm wrong, but i'll find some kind of excuse. this is exactly what people are supposed to teach their children not to do. i'm not sure if that lesson has
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disappeared. >> i agree. and on top of ron's fourth category, i'll have a fifth, which again takes us back to pro wrestling, which is the performance joy trump was revealing there and his crowd, too, of i can get away with this. the fun he was having from saying, well, look and see how i'll wiggle out of this one. >> the president said -- at one point he said we didn't really talk about human rights very much. and another point in the same discussion, he said we talked about human rights a great deal. this goes to that issue of we have no idea what they talked about, and donald trump will change his own description of what they talked about within the same description. >> yeah. two liars go in a room. we're pretty sure the truth is not what comes out. and i think your opening segment tonight talking about this dispute about whether or not trump promised to lift sanctions. all different accounts, but what trump promised we would or wouldn't do militarily now on the korean peninsula. that is the problem here.
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two liars went in a room. the truth certainly died there. who knows what else was a victim in. >> and, james, the president is worried about how much money it costs to continue to run these military practice sessions. this is a piece of the defense become that has been sitting there and operative for 70 years now. >> yeah. the person i would not want to have been at that moment was defense secretary james mattis because the best bargain in u.s. military spending is on military exercises and training. the salaries of the soldiers are being paid anyway. you're paying for these planes and ships. but what has made the u.s. strong militarily is precisely practice, engagement, drill. so the idea that this is a cost-saving measure is just insane. >> let's just drop the training. james fallows, the book is "our town" and ron klain, thank you. tonight's last word is next. (vo) we came here for the friends. and we got to know the friends of our friends.
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>> when you're a star, they let you do it. >> yeah. >> and andy richter gets tonight's last word, and that is a first for andy. coming up, it is primary night in six states tonight, and steve kornacki will be giving brian williams the latest results next on" the 11th hour" with brian williams, which starts now. tonight, donald trump has made history by sitting down with the north korean leader. but now questions about the ed tails. what did the u.s. agree to give up and what did we get? back home at washington, a stunner of a financial losure of jared and ivanka. richer by a reported $82 million last year. and looking for the trump effect in the number comesing in tonight from five primary states. steve kornacki at the big board
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for us with results as the 11th hour gets under way on a tuesday night. >> they 509 on the traks. it's primary day in five states. w we have results already and they include a prominent gop member of the house of representatives who has apparently been turned away by voters tonight with some help from the twitter feed of president donald trump. but to our lead story first, the president has praised the leader of north korea and he has attacked canada and robert de niro. the president is right now onboard air force one headed back to washington after his summit with north korean dictator kim jong-un. and while the president has
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insisted the summit was about denuclearization, his twitter feed shows he's seeing his criticism of his performance at the summit and is sensitive to it. quote, a year ago the pundits and talking heads, people that couldn't do the job before were begging for conciliation and peace. please meet. don't go to war. now that we meet are and have a great relationship with kim jong-un, the same haters shout out you shouldn't meet, do not meet. the president also remains effusive in his thanks and praise for the leader of north korea. thanking, quote, chairman kim for taking the first step towards a bright new future. and chairman kim has before him the opportunity to be remembered as the leader who ushered in a glorious new era of security and prosperity, as well as got along great with kim jong-un who wants to see wonderful things for his country. as i said earlier today, anyone
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can make more, but only the most courageous can make peace. those posts echoed the praise we heard from trump for kim jong-un earlier today. >> well, he is very talented. anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough -- i don't say he was nice, or i don't say anything about it. he ran it. very few people at that age -- you can take one out of 10,000 probably. >> how do you trust a killer like that? >> george, i'm given what i'm give, okay? this is what we have, and this is where we are. and i can only tell you from my experience -- and i met him. i've spoken with him, and i've met him. and this was, as you know, started very early, and it's been very intense. i think that he really wants to do a great job for north korea.
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i think he wants to denuke. really he's got a great personality. he's a, you know, funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. he loves his people, not that i'm surprised by that, but he loves his people. his country does love him. his people, you see the fervor. they have a great fervor. very smart. very good negotiator. wants to do the right thing. he wants to do the right thing. now, with all of that being said, i can't talk about it doesn't matter. we're starting from scratch. we're starting right now. and the relationship was really good. you know, it built. and i talked about early on in the relationship and the feeling, well, we had a very good feel right from the beginning. and we were able to get something very important done. people were saying, what's he like? he's got a very good personality. he's funny, and he's very, very smart. he's a great negotiator. he's a very strategic kind of a guy. >> in light of all those comments by trump about kim, effusiveness that continued in interviews that aired in prime time tonight on the president's way back, one of the president's
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own more dependable surrogates appearing on cnn tonight admitted, quote, look, i don't think president trump knows a ton about the history of north korea. the president and kim jong-un did sign a document at the end of this summit. it included a commitment to continued relations and to nuclear disarmament on the peninsula. it was short on specifics though the president is convinced he has received assurances. following the summit, trump said he planned to end those annual joint military exercises with south korea. he emphasized their cost. >> we will be stopping the war games, which will save us a tremendous amount of money, unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should. but we'll be saving a tremendous amount of money. plus i think it's very provocative. >> the effort to win over the north korean leader went further and featured something extraordinary.
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a propaganda video produced by the white house, bearing the stamp of and shown to kim jong-un on an ipad. narrated in the spirit of a movie trailer, the president was so proud of the product, he shared it with the press corps. >> history is always evolving, and there comes a time when only a few are called upon to make a difference. but the question is, what difference will the few make? destiny pictures presents a story of opportunity. a new story, a new beginning. one of peace. two men, two leaders, one destiny. there can only be two results. one of moving back or one of moving forward. >> again, so they're in the meeting with kim. they hand him an ipad with this video on it translated.
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trump later gave this assessment of kim's reaction to it. >> i think he loved it. i showed it because i really want him to do something. now, i don't think i had to show it because i really believe he wants to -- i think he wants to get it done. >> at the end of their time together, the president also gave kim a tour of his armored cadillac limousine. the two men took great pains in general to show a good relationship. there were so many handshakes, numerous pats on the back, a big change from the rocket man and fire and fury days. the rhetoric the president seems to believe helped make this summit possible. >> well, i think without the rhetoric, we wouldn't have been here. so i think the rhetoric -- i hated to do it. sometimes i felt foolish doing it, but we had no choice.
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>> let us bring in our leadoff panel on a tuesday night post-summit. robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post," moderator of "washington week" on pbs. susan glasser, staff writer for "the new yorker" and a veteran overseas journalist. and geoff bennett, white house correspondent for nbc news. good evening and welcome to you all. robert, i'd like to begin with you. what just happened? what did the u.s. get? what did the u.s. give away? and are you too noting a certain kind of sensitivity in the president's outgoing social media posts tonight? >> here on capitol hill, brian, there is bewilderment in both parties. the president is so unorthodox in his approach to foreign policy that most leaders here on capitol hill are not really sure how to respond. senator bernie sanders on the left said, well, he's
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encouraging of the diplomacy here, of the peace process, but still wary of how this is playing out. senator marco rubio, florida republican, talking about how the u.s. really can't trust kim jong-un. yet at the white house tonight, they feel comfortable with the president's position. they believe that by rattling this negotiation process is the only way to have progress. and at this point, they're confident that this is moving forward incrementally, that by engaging kim, they're bringing him into the world. but that's a risk. that's an opportunity and also a risk depending on who you ask. >> susan, i'd like to show you, back to you, how you started your day on twitter and those who follow you woke up to the following wording. you were kind of taking in the new world. have to admit my head is
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spinning from a world where canada is the president's enemy and rotting in hell, and north korea is a fantastic partner. seriously? susan, did anything transpire during the day to change your view of the world? >> well, you know, i have to tell you, brian, that today is one of those days that does feel a little bit like you're living inside an "onion" story and you clicked on it by mistake. you did see, by the way, i should say one of the president's advisers who had one of those astonishing attacks on the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau, over the weekend, he did somewhat apologize today for it. but you had president trump himself, even if that extraordinary press conference -- >> he went back at canada. >> he went back at canada. you know, i think what i'm struck by is, number one, of course, we've had many rounds of negotiations and talks although never at the presidential level between the united states and north korea. i believe 12 previous times north korea has committed in one way or the other to denuclearization over the years. there have been signed agreements that are much more rigorous than the agreement which was really a series of four bullet points that president trump announced today after the meeting with kim jong-un. as you said, you know, democrats and many republicans, of course, are supportive of peace. they're supportive of talking
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with north korea rather than threatening nuclear annihilation. but to me, the last week has been a striking week for president trump's foreign policy in that we really begin to see he has a radically different vision of the world than his predecessors, republican and democrat. and that includes ronald reagan as much as barack obama. president trump has a different view of american leadership in the world. it is america as a unilateral power. it is america much more as a great power operating like russia and china without values. he's not talking about human rights. and it's a very awkward and, i think, astonishing thing for many of us who have paid close attention to listen to the president of the united states lavish praise on not just a dictator, but right now arguably he presides over the most tyrannical country to its people in the world right now. >> geoff bennett, the other tweet i woke up to this morning on twitter, "my itunes user agreement has more specific wording in it than the document these two signed." can you tell us what are the
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deliverables? what will the president haul off air force one as a tangible with him when he gets off the plane in the wee small hours of the morning? >> well, white house officials make the point that, yes, even though the language in this statement is vague, even though the president calls it comprehensive, although it's just a one-page document, that it does suggest that kim and the president will work toward the eventual denuclearization of the peninsula. they say that replacing diplomacy with the specter of a nuclear showdown is a good thing. i can tell you, though, brian, that one of the reasons why the president was spinning the smashing success of this summit before it even ended is that people close to him tell me that he was intent on emerging from these talks with some sort of victory. that had been his goal since he announced the fact that he would even accept these talks back in march. and the reason for it is really
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threefold. one, he thinks it's a compelling argument, a compelling pitch to make to voters in the midterm elections, that he ran as a candidate who promised to upend the world order, and that he's at least in some part making good on that. two, he thinks it will help mitigate the risk he might face resulting from the russia investigation. you know, how can you indict or impeach him considering all the good will that he's trying to bring about in the region? but he's also really intent on burnishing his legacy. you saw how he tried to cast this agreement as better than, different from anything that any other administration had tried to do. he's doing something here that no other administration could do, although you could also make the point that he's doing something no other administration would do in that he's meeting with a dictator at least in the short term with nothing concrete to show for it.
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>> bob, you have talked for years about the blurred lines between trump the man, trump the business, and trump the president now. with that in mind, let's relive this moment from earlier today. >> they have great beaches. you see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean, right? i said, boy, wouldn't that make a great condo behind -- and i explained. i said, you know, instead of doing that, you could have the best hotels in the world right there. think of it from a real estate perspective. you have south korea. you have china, and they own the land in the middle. how bad is that, right? it's great. >> bob, i think he has a good deal on a condo for you. >> we'll have to see if a trump tower is built in downtown pyongyang. what we're seeing right here is a president who is still a salesman. when we hear that kim jong-un smiled as he watched this video, this propaganda video that was proposed to him, it's understandable talking to foreign policy experts today. they say he's looking at that video and he's seeing that he could have sanctions ultimately removed to have some kind of
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capital come into his country, and that the president's inferring that kim jong-un could be overseeing that kind of development inside north korea. that means the u.s. is not trying to have a regime change situation, that kim jong-un could keep his power even if he has to denuclearize. so this is all part of the trump foreign policy approach. it's, again, unorthodox, but this is who trump is. this is the president who is a salesman first, a diplomat and really a politician second. >> susan, let's talk about the trump centricity, the american centricity of that video, which could have also been issued by the pyeongchang chamber of commerce. the president is saying, who wouldn't want high-rise hotels on your beautiful beaches, the place crawling with tourists? kim jong-un is thinking, i am a god-like figure back home. i'm the wealthiest person in my country. maybe i want to keep things the way they are. >> you know what, brian, i'm so glad you brought that up because i think this is a great example of donald trump treating this almost as a domestic political thing.
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i think geoff gave us some insight into that. it seems to me that's a correct analysis that trump is looking at what american domestic political gain he can get here. you know, speaking with former cia analysts who spent years studying kim jong-un and his father and grandfather before him, what did they say? they say that even basic definitional terms don't mean the same thing. so when donald trump is talking about, well, you might even have a mcdonald's in pyongyang someday, you might have this western investment, that's not really what the regime in pyongyang is looking for first and foremost. you know, it's about regime control as you pointed out. it's not a sort of free for all western-style capitalism that they see as the natural end stage of history. they're not looking to build condos on the beach to sell to foreigners. that's not what they want at all. and so i think, again, they may see this in a very different way.
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already you had reports from north korean state media today emphasizing that the united states had given security commitments to north korea. they may see that, in fact, it's their possession of a nuclear weapon capable of hitting the united states which has given them this recognition on the world stage, which has given them this meeting with donald trump, which arguably makes them much, much less likely to ever give those weapons up. >> geoff, i say this because you've been through it. flying to asia from this part of the world, you can usually get there, talk yourself into it being dinner time, and sleep the night off. coming back from asia, that jet lag is a particular discomfort. i say that because the white house schedule is free of any events tomorrow. so we'll have the president back just after dawn morning time, andrews air force base. >> right. >> what does he come home to? >> well, he comes home to a lot of questions, not just from democrats but from republicans on the hill who want to know exactly how this deal, should it arrive at that, how it will all
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come to fruition. we don't expect to see him tomorrow, but later in the week we just learned that he'll be briefed by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein on the department of justice inspector general report about law enforcement's handling of the hillary clinton probe. the president will be briefed on that document before it goes public on his birthday, in fact, on thursday. so that's what -- >> what could go wrong? >> that's really how the rest of his week shapes up. >> i can't thank you three enough for coming on with us after a long day's journey. robert costa, susan glasser, geoff bennett, our thanks. coming up for us as we continue, the president has now gone after war games, also known as military readiness exercises. we will have a heavily decorated former warrior how that's likely to go over with our allies. and later, it's a tuesday night. that means it's election night, and steve kornacki standing by
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at the big board with full results. "the 11th hour" on this tuesday evening just getting under way.
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one of the things that i'm very happy about, we're not going to play the war games anymore, which you know how expensive that is. we would fly giant bombers in from guam. i would look at them coming in from the sea and bombs exploding. i said, what does this cost? i don't even want to tell you, but it's a lot. >> that from president trump. that concession over war games came as a surprise to our allies in south korea and elsewhere,
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even to elements of our own government. "the new york times" tells it this way. quote, in washington, officials at the pentagon, state department, and white house were scrambling to figure out exactly the impact of mr. trump's comments. quote, mr. trump's promise to end joint military exercises with seoul left many south koreans stunned. it is not clear exactly what trump and kim jong-un agreed to or what happens next on this front. none of this was in the written agreement. south korea expressed its bewilderment with this statement, quote, at this point we need to find out the precise meaning or intentions of president trump's remarks. earlier today on this network, former cia director john brennan stressed just how important these so-called war games are to our alliance with south korea. >> i don't think he knows much about quite frankly anything when it comes to foreign affairs, national security. even a thing like the war games. our military exercises with south korea are not just
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designed to send a signal to north korea but also to make sure that in the event of some more chinese adventurism in the area, that the interoperability that u.s. forces need with south korean forces, japanese, and others is going to be there. >> with us tonight from london, retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs. he's one of our military analysts and for good reason. a decorated combat veteran of the vietnam war. he is one of 72 living recipients of the medal of honor. jack, we thought of you because we would like to have you emphasize for our audience, provided you see them as a continued value, the value of what the president calls war games. they go under the official title joint military exercises. >> well, joint and combined military exercises are readiness exercises. we have to practice our tactics, our techniques, our strategy, our interoperability everywhere,
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all the time. these go on around the globe. gratuitous decisions like this have a tendency to rattle allies and convince both them and our adversaries that we're not really serious about defending our interests in that region. there's more than a little consternation in south korea, in tokyo, in taiwan, the philippines, and even vietnam, to say nothing of the trouble that it's probably caused in the pentagon. i'm trying to think of how many antacids secretary mattis has been taking. there's something else too. it's gratuitous. the decision was gratuitous. we got nothing in return, and the problem with that is when you have decisions like that, that are made without consultation and consideration, it really has a tendency to
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destabilize a region, and no area needs destabilization, not the least significant of which is the pacific where the chinese have been encroaching steadily out of their area into other people's areas, brian. >> jack, it was really striking to hear the president call them provocative. that's what the north calls them. these are joint preparedness ercis for elements of the home team as the president, we would think, would see it. his other complaint was someone told him that pilots make a 6 1/2-hour flight from guam, and i heard someone today say, wait till they tell the president that during the iraq war and then again kosovo and afghanistan, our b-2 pilots flew from missouri to baghdad, unloaded their bombs, and came back. 37-hour round trip, upwards of five, six, midair refueling. 37 hours without touching the ground.
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they were back home in missouri at the end of the mission. so no one's worried about the stamina of our bomber pilots. >> well, i mean, mr. brennan was absolutely right. the president doesn't have a very good concept of the use of the military instrument of power and what it takes to train it and prepare it to defend the country and the country's interests. one thing is certain. we're not going to save any money doing any of the things that he suggests. we have to continue to train whether it's in korea or any other place. and if we stop conducting joint and combined exercises on the peninsula of korea, we're going to have to increase our forces on the sea and in the air in that region, and that's going to cost a heck of a lot more money. in this same today, yesterday where you are, the president suggested he was going to take all the forces out of korea and that that was going to save money as well.
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well, it doesn't save money. the troops have to go somewhere, and actually it costs more money to take them out of there. you may save money in the out years, but right away it's going to cost you more money. so not a very good grasp of what it takes to field a formidable force to defend our interests. >> well, all eyes are on secretary mattis at the pentagon. this will get very interesting to see what his next move is. and in part it's because in jack jacobs' spare time, he teaches at west point and trains and instructs our future military leaders. we thought of you instantly. colonel jack jacobs, thank you for joining us from london tonight. coming up for us, new reporting on coordination between legal teams of the people who are caught up in the mueller investigation. "the 11th hour" back after this.
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to keep our community safe. before you do any project big or small, pg&e will come out and mark your gas and electric lines so you don't hit them when you dig. call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. welcome back. while our attention has been focused on singapore, the russia investigation goes on of course. there have been developments. "the daily beast" reports, president trump's personal lawyers have teamed up with the attorneys for other individuals who found themselves wrapped up in this mueller matter. reporter betsy woodruff writes, quote, the arrangement is known as a joint defense agreement, having nothing to do with war games, and it allows the lawyers to share information without violating attorney-client privilege. it's a common strategy when
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multiple defendants are dealing with the same prosecutor on the same matter. joint defense agreements often annoy prosecutors since they let people being investigated share information and compare notes on what the government is doing. well, we have the perfect guest to talk about all of it tonight. harry litman is with us. he's a former u.s. attorney, former deputy assistant attorney general under president clinton, a man who as a young lawyer clerked for supreme court justices thurgood marshall and anthony kennedy. harry, i'm going to have you on some night to talk only about what that was like. but for this evening and because of time constraints, we must talk about mr. mueller. this seems like it would antagonize and anger and frustrate a prosecutor. isn't part of what mueller has, a federal grand jury, is the element of surprise? you don't know what they're asking other witnesses normally. >> well, but it's just the rules of the game, brian. sure, i guess it can rankle, but everyone understands that it is routine, as betsy woodruff says.
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and, look, prosecutors understand that defendants should be able to confer and have good defenses with their attorneys. all that this is about is letting defendant a, b, and c be in the room with lawyers x, y, and z, and strategize, share information. yes, it makes it easier for them, but i think it's just taken as a given. it happens so much in cases like this. >> so as a practical matter, does this help the president's attorneys if they learn that witness a was asked questions b, c, and d? >> sure. i mean there's a lot that it can help them with. of course it's tricky. first, it has to be co-extensive with the privilege, with what everybody -- you can't just kind of put in -- kind of mix and match. second, as happened with mike flynn, rick gates, a defendant who begins to cooperate with the government must withdraw right away and can no longer share
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information. so it gives a kind of sign of that. but, yes, it lets you compare notes. technically the facts aren't privileged. it's the strategy that is. but the distinction can kind of bleed over. definitely a good thing for a group of defendants and especially for trump because no one expects him to cooperate. >> now, about mr. manafort, he has a very important court appearance on friday. you rather famously around here said a very former fed thing on the air the other day and advised him to maybe bring his toothbrush because the upshot of everything he's facing is that he may lose his freedom on friday and not regain it, a, at all, b, until the disposition of his court case if he is found not guilty, or, c, should he agree to cooperate, is that correct? >> yeah, and i'm with a and c.
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that is we'll get back to the toothbrush part. but i think if he loses his conditions of confinement, he's in until the trials. he will probably have a sentence almost certainly that will mean he will die in prison if he doesn't cooperate. as for the toothbrush point and the kind of prosecutor swashbuckling there, it's true and not infrequent that a court that really is offended by this kind of behavior might say, "you have to be -- you have to go into jail right now." it's also true they could say a week or something like that to let him finalize his affairs. but the main thing is the statute says that if the court -- if judge jackson finds that he, in fact, tampered with witnesses and the evidence seems overwhelming, and he's basically said nothing in response, then the statute kicks in and says there's a presumption that you have to take away all the conditions of release.
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and i just don't see what he's going to say come friday, which is why i predicted last week he's going to jail. >> all right. thank you, harry. harry litman is among a small circle of former u.s. attorneys who have become of counsel to us, and we can't thank you enough. really appreciate you coming on the air to explain all this tonight. as we approach our next break, coming up, as we said, it's tuesday night. that means it's election night. five more states across the nation, and that can only mean steve kornacki live at the big board. there it is. that's coming up after this.
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polls are now closed in five states holding midterm primaries
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tonight. but it was president trump who made the biggest splash in today's elections late in the game. just hours before poll closing in south carolina, the president, who, remember, is on his way back from a summit on the other side of the world, took aim at an incumbent member of his own party, endorsing the challenger to congressman mark sanford of south carolina in a tweet. the president also made reference to sanford's extramarital affair that rocked his time as governor of south carolina. here it is, quote, mark sanford has been very unhelpful to me in my campaign to make america great again. he is m.i.a. and nothing but trouble. he is better off in argentina. i fully endorse kate arrington for congress in south carolina, a state i love. she is tough on crime and will continue our fight to lower taxes. vote katie. guess what? mark sanford just gave what sure sounded like a concession tonight, giving us our first big headline from this primary night. that can only mean steve
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kornacki at the big board with more. that's a big bit of news right there. >> it is a very big bill of news. a couple surprises, a couple important things. let's start right there. the first district of south carolina on the coast. you can see the magic number here obviously is 50% because this is also a runoff state. so not only was arrington the challenger running ahead of sanford. the question was as these votes came in, was she going to get over 50% so this didn't get kicked into a runoff. it looks like just about all the vote counted here, accounted for. over 50%. so think about this. put this in some perspective here. the national story. it's not that a name is losing this race, and it's not just
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that president trump weighed in on this race at the last minute and will probably, we could guess, be crowing about this. this is a bigger story. just a week ago we were talking about a primary in alabama, a republican member of congress named martha roby, who had denounced president trump in 2016 when he was candidate trump and wouldn't vote for him. she got challenged in that republican primary in alabama by somebody who said, hey, i'm with the president. you can't rely on her. you can rely on me. she finished in the 30s in that race a week ago. she's been forced into a runoff, and now mark sanford going down. two incumbent republican members of congress in the last week. it looks like felled or potentially felled by pro-trump insurgencies. this is a big thing about where the republican party is and where it's going. what else tells us something big about where the republican party is and where it's going? it's another big surprise tonight. maybe a surprise here. the republican primary for the u.s. senate in virginia. this for the right to face tim kaine, the democratic incumbent there. the result the republican establishment was dreading, and it's a result that could have implications for this november in the battle for control of the house. corey stewart is this gentleman's name.
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he is going to be the republican nominee for the senate in virginia. he defeated nick freitas. this is the guy the establishment thought they wanted to win here. it's not so much about defeating tim kaine. tim kaine looks like the favorite in this no matter what. but this is stewart, who has made defending confederate monuments his big issue. this is stewart who has had ties to anti-semitic, white supremacist candidate out in wisconsin. this is a candidate here who republicans fear is going to cost them not the senate race necessarily because they were already sort of underdogs there, but house races. house races in virginia. they can ill afford to lose in the fall. number one, barbara comstock, one of the most endangered republicans, right outside washington, d.c. quintessential suburban district that swung from mitt romney in 2012 to hillary clinton in 2016. she's fighting for her life and now at the top of the ticket, she's going to have to answer for him all summer and all fall. corey stewart going to be the republican nominee for senate. and candidates like barbara comstock -- and there's actually
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three districts potentially, three republican-held districts in virginia that could be in play this fall. all of those candidates you can bet not going to be happy with the results of this senate race tonight on their side, brian. >> steve, without your analysis, it's just math, and we really appreciate you working late and staying up with us tonight. fascinating look at the races under way this evening. coming up, anyone who worried that jared and ivanka would suffer financially hardship as a consequence of their service to our country need not worry any longer. a look at their new income numbers is just out when "the 11th hour" continues. with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price... is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites... to show you the lowest prices... so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit
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i felt like proximity to my father and to the white house and with my husband taking such an influential role in the administration, i didn't want to also be running a business. so i put it into trust. i have independent trustees. i would argue that if i had not come to washington, d.c. and if i was in new york growing my business, i would be doing far
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better than by placing the restrictions i have placed on my team. >> well, despite that right there, ivanka trump and jared kushner, two senior advisers in this white house, seem to be doing fine. "the new york times" reporting the couple earned at least $82 million in outside income last year. their financial disclosure forms were released late last night by the white house, part of a whole batch that were released while our attention admittedly was on singapore and the summit meeting. these forms break down where all the money came from. ivanka made nearly $4 million from her stake in the trump international hotel in washington, d.c., for example. $2 million from a trump organization severance. more than $5 million from her clothing brand. jared kushner made at least $5 million alone from a new jersey property bought by kushner company last year. and as they say, there's a lot more where that came from. here to talk about it tonight, rachel abrams, a pulitzer prize-winning business reporter with "the new york times."
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there are so many ways to go about this. as you sat down, i was saying we get to work with a former white house aide every day, nicolle wallace, who worked for 43. i'm pretty sure she didn't make no $82 million in her first year at the white house. but also she didn't have the, you could call it either a side hustle or a pre-existing condition of great wealth and a business empire that these two had coming in. >> are they taking position in the white house? are they using the white house for a qvc for ivanka trump shoes or handbags. what the numbers don't tell us if $whether they have been bumped up by the platform in the white house?
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we know that their real estate assets increased in value by about $50 million. but the income increased by a few million dollars. it's sort of difficult to gauge how exactly significant that is when it comes to the questions that ethics experts are worried about, which is how are they benefitting from the roles? ivanka trump, for instance earned nearly $4 million from the stake in the old post office. but that's on pace with what she earned according to the financial disclosures last year. we don't see a significant uptick in that. obviously the old post office in the washington area that are the things that the ethics people are worried about. they're worried about people stay there to curry favor with her father. maybe they are. but we don't have a holistic picture how that's happening if it is. >> who is left to see if it's quantifiable or qualifiable. the richard painter ethics group with crew norm eisen. looking at one of the public interests groups looking at that. do you think that role is
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fulfilled as people dig down and see if they are profiting off the white house. >> i don't think there is anything about the disclosure that discourage the richard painters of the world from looking into this. the fact that these folks are making money outside their roles keeps the interest alive in figuring out how they might be benefitting from the white house. i don't think the disclosures give us any definite answers about the things that ethics experts care about, which is how exactly they benefit. whether using the platforms to promote their own business interests, which they have at least by ivanka trump for example taking -- taking steps back from businesses, dereking to be in leadership role she is trying to show she is not steering the ship if you will for business that is mitt benefit her or her husband financially. >> i'll take on a hugely complicated topic in the next few seconds. there are trusts and trusts.
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the trusts she is talking about the is inchest. >> i don't know about simplest. but they're not totally blind in the sense that previous president -- she is not a president obviously -- have chosen blind trusts. she and her father have trusts where they could conceivably have ownership and ability to have control over them in ways that maybe ethics experts would prefer they not. >> okay. thank you for coming on explaining a very complicated story for us tonight >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate. there is no going back. everything's chaed. we'rnot on an island anymore. genetic power has now been unleashed. we've entered a new era. welcome to jurassic world.
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and before we go on this tuesday night two names in the news -- navorro and de niro. two very different men in hot water for choice of words. first to peter dmo -- navorro, among the president's top trade advis advisers. while most americans were coming to grips with the idea that we were actually in some sort of diplomatic war with friends and neighbors to the north and canada. peter navarro went on air while his bosses was enroute to singapore. and he launched a an attack on the prime minister's canada. using words reserve for very dramatic pronouncement >> there
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is a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with donald trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the which out the door. >> that's harsh. after a host of people came out on social media saying in effect there is a special place in hell for any cavalier use of the phrase special place in hell, navarro today apologized told the "wall street journal" he said his words were inappropriate and he owns his mistake. then there is robert de niro who appeared at the tony awards to introduce bruce springsteenen and he said a word about trump that rhymes with luck. then for good measure during a standing ovation he said it gone. cbs was on and bleepd the audio. australian tv did not and so their uncensored version has been kicking around on social media. then de niro apologized but he apologized to canada for what he called the idiotic behavior of our president, called it a disgrace and disgusting. then the president of the united
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states weighed in enroute home from the summit. quote, robert de niro, a very low iq individual, has received two -- that should be t-o-o -- many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. i watched him last night and truly believe he may be punch drunk. i guess he doesn't realize the economy is the best it's ever been with employment being in an all time high and many companies pouring back into our country. wake up, punchy. now we're up to date on that. and that is our broadcast on this tuesday night thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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>> we will be stopping the war games. >> and the high stakes of donald trump's sales job. >> i just raised the stakes. >> new reporting that michael cohen is preparing for arrest. new details on the russian full-court press on the nra. as the trump policy of family separation continues. >> it is so morally wrong what we are doing to these people. >> -- a congresswoman who toured a facility separated from their children joins me live. >> literally these women have no idea in the vast majority of these cases where the children are. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york.
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i'm chris hayes. curbsly optimistic has been the main response frns political observers to the president's political summit with north korea. just ask trump university students how far cautious optimism got them. they know better than anyone how much a handshake deal and one-page agreement with donald trump is worth. less than 24 hours since the summit concluded we're getting conflicting stories about a major concessions the u.s. will cease joint military exercises with south korea. >> we will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should. we'll be saving a tremendous apartment of money. plus it's very provocative. >> south korea was said to be blindsided by the announcement while the chinese announced it before the president said it at his press conference. republican senator cory gardner said mike pence contradicted the
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president today saying the vp was very clear, training exchanges will continue. after the vice president's office disputed that account, gardener clarified he was referring to one kind of specific military exercise. "war games will not occur." >> fine, but all this confusion is the completely predictable result of two volatile leaders meeting one-on-one behind closed doors without anyone taking notes and shows why any efforts to understand what happened in singapore are in some senses beside the point because there is simply no answer to that question. certainly not right now. as long as we're being asked to take donald trump's word what was agreed to or what will happen in the future, any commitments are meaningless and the president himself just said as much. >> i think he's -- i think honestly, i think he's going to
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do these things. i may be wrong. i may stand before you in six months and say hey, i was wrong. i don't know that i'll admit that but i'll find some kind of excuse. >> right, i'll find an excuse. that gives away the whole game. the president admitting six months from now it may well be none of this had happened before and he'll deserve willing to lie about how it fell apart. we know that's his m.o., how he left investors with a bill for atlantic city bankruptcies and how he couldn't thousands of people into paying for seminars at trump university. it's the same way he just treated the canadian prime minister djoos justin trudeau who gritted his teething to secure the president's signature only to see the efforts blown up over nothing at all once air force one took off. for more what to make of the summit, i'm joined from singapore by political analyst phillip rucker. one thing that's striking to me is the way the president's body language was and the way he
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talked about kim jong-un who runs the sort of most isolated and arguably odious regime on the planet versus the way he talked about justin trudeau, our closest trading partner. the level of enjoy thement he got out of the two engagements. it was clear what he was happier doing. >> yeah, it's remarkable. he talked about kim jong-un as a talented man as someone whose people have a great fervor for him. this is a dictator, one of the greatest human rights abusers in the world, a totalitarian, a collector of nuclear weapons, a different kind of leader than justin trudeau, the prime minister of our friendly neighbor to the north canada. trump was bothered by trudeau after that g-7 meeting, called him weak, dishonest. but clearly was dazzled by kim, fields a connection with him. said he trusts kim jong-un and is very comfortable going forward to try to come up with some sort of substantive deal in
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the months ahead to denuclearize the korean peninsula. >> is there any sense of what the actual forward motion looks like. >> well, it's going to be more meetings. trump indicated that kim jong-un would be invited to the white house at the appropriate time for a visit 0 washington. i think they intend to meet there in the future. they may meet other places, as well. clearly there's a beginning of normalization of relations between the u.s. and north korea. the centerpiece of that is trump's relationship with kim jong-un. they both indicated they wanted to continue that. what you said at the top of the show is right. there's not a lot of substance written down in word in this agreement that cases how exactly north korea wok abandon these nuclear weapons and how the u.s. could trust they're doing what they say they're going to do. >> do you think given the way the president talked about kim and talked about him on the campaign trail, a young guy, he kills can the uncle, he's
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killing everybody, he's a tough guy. there's a certain admiration the president has for kim or at least his ability to manage the country in the way he does. >> i think that's right. it's the same kind of admiration he's shown for people like putin of russia, he's admired his strength, the rule in which he commands his authority in his country. he's had similar things to say about erdogan everyone had turkey, duterte in the philippines. he admires men who command their militaries and who are able to be rule to govern with real authority in their countries because of the police state them have and because of the sort of unchecked political opposition they have, but that's a very different kind of environment than the democracy in the united states or frankly in most of our traditional allies around the world. >> were any of you able to get josh bolten with a few drinks and ask him what he made of all this?
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>> i would love to hear that. john bolton was here. he attend aid number of the bilateral meetings yesterday. he was at the lunch with kim jong-un and the long press conference that president trump had where i was there, too. john bolton was off to the side observing. this was clearly the mike pompeo show, the secretary of state was very much front and center, a front row seat during the press conference. he briefed reporters in advance of the summit, not bolton. this was very much a moment where pompeo was out front leading the face of this korea approach unlike john bolton, the national security adviser. >> phillip rucker, thanks for joining me. >> thank you. >> i'm joined by a supporter of president trump and his diplomatic effort where north korea this congressman lee zell done. my sense is you're encouraged by what you saw in singapore. >> well, sure. you see a document being signed after the meeting.
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there's more work that needs to get done. it's good to see pen to paper where kim jong-un is signing on to complete denuclearization. we need more information to ensure that gets done. i don't want to see a sunset provision where eight or ten years down the road, all of a sudden, wares facing the same dynamic, the dilemma we faced with regard to the iran nuclear deal. north korea may make additional requests for concessions on our part. obviously we have a sanctions regime in place. part of the debate with regards to the iran nuclear deal was whether or not sanctions relief would be immediate no suspension or phased in over time based on compliance. so there's obviously a lot of conversation still to be had. it's going to take a while to denuclearize north korea. i am encouraged by the fact that pen went to paper with a commitment for complete denuclearization. >> do you think the fact he
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signed something is going to make kim jong-un think twice? if he encounters he wants to go back on, he'll be like i did sign that piece of paper. >> i think what brought him to the table is not a detire to be able to sign a document. i think kim jong-un and the north koreans have a desire to get the sanctions relief, to be able to normalize relations within the region around the world, to be able to improve the fiscal situation of their country and to become prosperous. that's what brought them to the table and why kim jong-un signed. >> there's a certain kind of critique that goes if you want to help the oppressed people of north korea, you don't have to go kiss the ring of kim jong-un. what do you say to people who blanch at watching this? >> well, as a challenge whether he you're trying to get a nation to agree toe denuclearizing and you want to pursue a long elusive peace on the korean
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peninsula and potentially bring north and south together, this is something that obviously has been going on a lot longer than kim jong-un has been alive and president trump has experienced nearly his entire life this forgotten war and we have a lot of korean vets here. go ahead. >> no, but the point is, there's a form of critique, we've seen it a little bit around this, but we've seen it in the past that basically you are legitimate mating someone who does all these terrible things standing there shoulder to shoulder with him and that's bad. what do you say to that idea? >> yeah, the -- that's just part of the chal. are we going to be able to get the deal if you are not getting along with him, if you are insisting on not having any north korean flags, if you -- when you have a press op, when they go into the room and you know, you want to stand instead of seated because one leader of
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one country is so much taller than the other, i would imagine that the staging and the conversations of who is arriving first and all of that probably had its own negotiation in and of itself. now, i wasn't in the room. you weren't in the room. but there was some indication given by president trump that they did breach the topic of human rights. however, the purpose of being there at this meeting wasn't to confront that head-on but obviously what loomed large was otto warmbier and the fact that there is a long human rights list of violations on the part of the north koreans. so that's true. i just don't know if it's the best negotiating tactic. >> right. >> to confront that head-on before getting through some of had other stuff. >> i am inclined to agree. this is something that you had said about when you're critiquing president obama meeting with raul castro, no nuclear weapon there.
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i want to play what you had to say as a critique which represented a lot of republican party critique of that effort. take a listen. >> the castro regime is made up of bad dangerous people. if president obama wants to help oppressed cuban people, he doesn't have to kiss the ring of raul castro in the process. when the president was sitting there with raul castro i'm thering to myself, you are not equals with this man. >> do you understand why people feel like there's maybe bad faith or double standard here? >> this negotiationings with cuba, have you cuban people who have long been oppressed. >> so have the north koreans. >> except here with regards to cuba, we were making dozens of concessions and not getting the reciprocation. that was a big issue. >> you were criticizing them sitting there as equals like that's the whole point. >> because we were sitting down with the cubans and we were making dozens of concessions on our part.
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>> he just sat down with kim. >> but president trump wasn't sitting down with kim jong-un and making dozens of concessions and not asking for anything in return. additionally, let's just say president trump did sit down to make dozens of concessions with kim jong-un. my problem with that situation is that kim jong-un similarly to the castro family, they won't deliver that sanctions relief to tear oppressed people. the way the system is in place in north korea similar to the way the situation is in cuba. >> right. >> it stays at the top and doesn't help the people. >> eventually that's got to be the road map. the point of all there is there's going to be quid pro quos if this is going to work out. >> you know, the cuba example and there are other nations where we haved are negotiations in years past. i have a problem with sitting down at the table with a foreign dictator and just unilaterally making all sorts of concessions. >> well -- >> and not getting the ruts we're looking for.
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>> the context of a negotiation. let me ask you this though. i tend to think that talking is better than war. i think it's good they met. that's my own personal editorial position on this. but you would agree it's a crazy thing to say that kim jong-un loves his people which is what the president said today. >> yeah, there's a -- there's a relationship that goes on between kim jong-un and his people that is is certainly unique. what's interesting so kim jong. >> congressman, that is a. >> let me get the point out. >> so kim jong-un oh preys his people. they're living in poverty. you know imprisonment. the prosperity doesn't get to the people. >> labor camps. >> what's very interested in the north korean example, we operate in this country under the dime principle with our diplomacy military information economics. in iran, have you millions of iranians who want a free stable democratic iran and would love to overthrow the party in power. in north korea, the north korean
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people believe the troubles they face are not in spite of kim jong-un's best efforts. >> because it's totalitarian state whereas iran does. >> and state media and you know, they have not been westernized. >> congressman, honestly, you don't think that it is fair to say that kim jong u.p. loves his people? it's the largest prison camp in the world. >> i didn't say that i never said that. >> wouldn't you agree that's a crazy thing to say that kim jong-un loves his people? >> i believe it would be better for him to do what he can in his power and there's a lot more that he can do to improve the lives of his people. >> for sure. >> that i think we agree. >> i would add one other thing we don't know all of the details on is while we've known of all the fiscal issues happening within their nation, it seems like those fiscal challenges have worked its way further up the government and something
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that may actually be driving kim jong-un to the table is last august, there was a u.n. security council resution effect forgive live cut off over one-third of north korean exports. it's possible kim jong-un knows he needs to pursue a different path for his country. their naths won't survive. >> congressman lee zeld inand now a critic to the president's approach to diplomacy. ed markey. what do you make of all this. >> well, we welcome engagement with north korea but this is one of the weakest agreements that we have ever seen. what happened here was another kim family playbook where they pocket the rewards, pocket the benefits to north korea while simultaneously delaying on the concessions which are made to the united states or and to the rest of the world.
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here they have received from president trump an agreement that there will be a curtailment of military exercises between the south koreans and the united states. china is already saying that this is now the signal to reduce economic sanctions on the north koreans and we know that actually trade has been increasing with north korea and china in the last couple of months. so from the kim perspective, going back through his father and his grandfather, this just fits in perfectly with what has been happening in their negotiations over the past. there is nothing tangible in this agreement that we can point to which will lead towards denuclearization, lead towards a verifiable inspection of nuclear and ballistic missile sites inside of that country. >> i want to get your reaction what the president had to say about kim.
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let me play about him talking about kim jong-un and his character and leadership style. take a lis. >> and this is going to lead to more and more and more and it's an honor to be with you. very great honor. >> he's a very talented man. i also learned that he loves his country very much. >> already, he's got a great personality. he's a funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. he loves his people, not that i'm surprised by that. >> but he starves him. he's been brutal. he still loves his people? >> he's doing what he's seen done. i have to go by today and by yesterday and by a couple of weeks ago. that's when this whole thing started. >> he is very talented. anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to be run it and run it tough, i don't say, he was nice or i don't say anything about it, he ra he ran it. very few people at that age, you
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can take one out of 10,000 probably couldn't do it. >> what do you make of that? >> well, you know, except for the fact that he's assassinated his relatives, that he's imprisoned tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people in his own country, that he's been shooting ballistic missiles over japan, detonating thermonuclear weapons, yeah, he seems like a nice guy. and so what we're dealing with here is a president who at the g-7 is insulting our closest allies while here, in korea, he's treating kim as though he's his buddy. the truth is, kim using the whole playbook that his father and grandfather used right now is smiling like a cheshire cat back in pyongyang because so far, there have been no concession that have been given
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to donald trump or to the united states in this negotiation. >> there's an argument to be made that the g-7 of the two things that happened the g-7 and this the g-7 in some ways was more significant what it means for the sort of enduring long-term american alliances than the sort of photo op in singapore. what do you there of that argument? >> at the g-7, donald trump decided to insult trudeau. now, if the united states runs a afraid surplus was canada. canada buys more of our goods and services than we buy from canada. so instead of thanking the canadians, working in a cooperative fashion with the canadians, he insults trudeau instead of using the g-7 as a way to isolate china which is engaging in predatory
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international trading are policy. so the contrast between there insulting of our friends who are with us on every issue around the world and the coziying up to kim while receiving no real concessions is a very troubling picture of a president who clearly is unprepared for the negotiations with our friends or with our foes. andton does not portend well for the future of his negotiations on any of these issues globally. >> senator ed markey, thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. next the president's largest financial backer in the election the nra reportedly met with a web of elite russians during the campaign. the reporter who broke that story joins me in two minutes. dray, when he was younger, he loved to smile; and we knew he would need braces because his teeth were coming in funny. that's when he had the bunny rabbits. we called him the bunny rabbit. now, those are the same two front teeth, there, that
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they are now. then dray ended up having to wear braces for 5 years because he never made it to appointments, because he was busy playing basketball. if he missed practice, he don't get to play in the game. this is the picture that was on the front page of the newspaper. all you can notice is the braces! then, once he got to michigan state, he broke the retainer! my bottom teeth, they were really crooked, and i just wasn't getting braces again. smile direct club fits into my lifestyle so well. the liner is so great. it's easy to just grab it and go and then i can change on the road. i did photoshoots with my aligners in and you can't see them. i wish smile direct club would have been around when i was paying for them. i wouldn't have to take him out of school. i wouldn't have had missed work. it's like a great feeling to have good teeth. a smile is a first impression, that's why i think ha
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among the many threads to the story of russian interference in the 2016 election in the russian connection to the national rifle association. the fbi's already reportedly
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investigating ties between the president's son and the kremlin-lynched russian banker and nra member aleksander torshin that met an anra meeting. now a new story suggests russians were trying to cultivate a much deeper relationship than previously reported. some prominent russians high in the russian orthodox church have been identified as having contact with the nra officials during the 2016 u.s. election campaign. with me now co-author of that piece, peter stone. peter, we sort of knew about torsion. you guys found a bunk of new stuff. what's new in your reporting that you found? >> we've identified a couple of new people, one of whom dimitri regozin ran their deputy defense minister with a lot of the ties to the country's and oversight of the country's arms companies.
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regozan had been a former minister ambassador to nato and has a reputation as kind of a far right ultranationalist in russia. on the extreme side. the other person we identified who had not been at all written about is sergei rudolph who runs a very conservative charity called st. basil the great charitable foundation which is tied into one of the country's leading billionaires, a man named constantine malafayev who founded it. it is a little empire of far right institutions he's built in russia. one is a think tank and another is a media company called czar grad. the man behind the foundation. rudov has been running it for him and it's been seen as a
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vehicle for again, the far right in russia. >> so you've got sort of far right russian figures and this picture of a meeting in 2016 with nra execs and sheriff david clark, a milwaukee county company sheriff and there you have the outgoing nra president. the nra is a political entity that protects the second amendment. what possible interests do the russians have in that in. >> it seemed to me, we've talked to people who were dealing with torsion over the years. one is a conservative activist named paul erickson. he was on an earlier trip in 2013. and erickson told me over a year ago that it was a moral support mission he called it both ways. they bill it as an effort to promote a like-minded group in russia.
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i think the russians, the group that torsion set up there which was the host of the 2015 meeting, a group called right to bear arms which he founded a few years before, right 0 bear arms was seen as a vehicle to spur some private gun ownership in russia. but it also was obviously used as a wedge to build ties to the nra. and it appears to have been an effort to cozy up to the nra for various reasons. some of which are under under investigation now obviously. >> reporting says there's an investigation. you know the that the nra was trump's biggest financial backer, spent more than $30 billion, more than double what it laid out for mitt romney and the nra money started flowing much earlier in the cycle for trump. we don't have a definitive accounting where all their donations come from, correct? >> no, we don't. a lot of money is so-called dark money.
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it doesn't have to be identified. it goes to a c-4 organization, a non-profit. and you know, a large part of that $30 million does not have to be disclosed publicly. we don't really know. we're relying on the nra's word as their scrutinizing their books to verify or try to verify that there were no russian donations that came in which would be illegal if russian donations came if abwere used in the campaign, foreign money is not allowed to be used in the campaign, that would be illegal. russians can contribute to the nra and they've acknowledged some russians did contribute. very, very small amount. torsion apparently -- torsion gave about 1,000 of that but they're claiming none of these monies went to campaign purposes. >> all right. peter stone, thanks for your reporting and hanks for joining us. >> after the break, new reporting the president's personal lawyer is worried about being arrested in the coming days.
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that story and latest in the mueller probe next.
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if president trump's legal barrel to reach a tipping point soon it, might happen this way. from "vanity fair"'s gabe sherman according to a source close to michael cohen, he has told friends he expected to be arrested any day now. he wrote in a text message your alleged source is wrong. trump should be superworried about cohen, if anyone can blow up trump it's him. regardless of that precise timing a broad spectrum war over the mueller probe is evident intensifying. from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein telling house republicans according to a fox news report he would defend
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himself against their threat to hold him in contempt to kellyanne conway's husband george calling out the specious legal claims of his wife's boss the president. lease bringing in legal analyst benjamin wittes from law fair and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york time." george conway is married to kellyanne conway. everyone has noticed he started tweeting lots of critical things of the person that his wife works for. then he writes this piece for you. what's the argument in the piece itself? >> so the piece responds to a an article by steven cal braycy from northwestern law school who had argued that the mueller investigation was unconstitutional because of a series of technical matters related to the way he was appointed.
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and george wrote a lengthy and very detailed and very authoritative rebut to this constitutionally unusual or peculiar about the appointment of bob mueller as special counsel and that we really shouldn't be arguing over the propriety of the investigation. >> the presidential tweet that was referred to the appointment of special counsel is totally unconstitutional conway writing it isn't surprising see the president tweet a meritless legal argument because as a president -- the constitutional arguments made against the special counsel do not meet that standard and had little more rigor than the tweet that promoted them. michelle, i'm going to ask you this too ben, what is the deal with george conway. >> i have no idea. i mean, i have no idea. i don't understand these politically mixed marriages in general. but you know, it could be i
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think that there are some people, there are some people who are like lee zell din and can pretend to believe things completely contrary to everything they claim to believe you know one year ago or one month ago. and then there are some people that the kind of relentless mendacity and derangement of this administration starts to get to you and eventually you want to push back on it. right? >> that's well described that that's the sort of underlying psychological difference. >> ben, do you have any back story here how george conway comes to write for you on this topic. >> i happen to know exactly how he came to write for me on this subject. you know, george has not made a secret of the fact that he is appalled about what's going on. he's been tweeting his sentiment on the subject for a while now. and you know, the dirty little secret is he's not alone.
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there are a lot of people in the elite conservative bar who are also very upset by what's going on. and unlike george conway they've been in large measure very quiet about it which i think that paragraph that you read is partly a criticism of others who have not spoken out and i think george has felt the need to speak out. he was very upset by this particular legal argument that professor calabrese made and that the president started tweeting about. and i asked him to write up his thoughts on the subject which he did. so there's no -- i mean the answer is michelle ssh right. some people do not have the instinct to keep their mouth shut about what is going on right now. and i say kudos to george conway and by the way, the real
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question we should be asking is not why george conway is is speaking out. it's why other people who have a lot less to protect are not speaking out. >> yeah, if you're not putting your marriage on the line. why are you not saying anything. the other thing that's happening, simmering in the background it feels like there's a little calm before the storm feeling in terms of what happens it if michael cohen is right. this story from fox news which is basically about the behind thescopies and clearly coming from nunes' people. it's clearly about the war that's about to happen. escalating war between nunes and rosenstein. deputy attorney general after being threatened with contempt an american citizen charged with contempt to congress he would have the right to defend himself and calling them as witnesses to demonstrate their allegations are false. whether he rosenstein returns from a work triple suggest the
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house conduct an investigation of the house staffer's conduct. it seems like it's getting more intense over there. >> the central kind of battle we have in government right now is between the forces of the law and the forces of trump and authoritarianism. those two are symbolic of those two poles. >> pen, i wonder how much worse it can get over there. >> well, so let me say that you know, rod rosenstein here is being put in an absurd and impossible position by an oversight committee that is supposed to, among other things, you know, protect intelligence sources and methods and the equities of the intelligence community that it oversees. and you know, for him to say that that should be done without
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you know, repeated leaks of material without you know, without the sort of. >> shenanigans that have taken place is just right and it's just reasonable. and you know, the idea that rod rosenstein is among all the other things, he has on his plate, having to fend off a contempt finding for not turning over a whole lot of supersensitive material of the sort that you never give to congress to devin nunes is just one of the weird -- it would be comic if it were not so tragic like oddities of the moment that we're in. >> benjamin wittes and michelle goldberg, thank you both. asylum seekers having their children stolen from him and held in prisons. i'll talk to a koong congresswoman who talked to women who had their children taken from them.
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thing 1 tonight, if you want a good picture of what today's republican party looks like, you must watch yesterday's primary debate for new york's 11th districting featuring republican congressman dan donovan and his ex-con primary challenger michael grimm. let's just say the men fighting to represent staten island were definitely representing staten island.
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>> have you thought about asking for a pardon from president trump? has anyone sought it for you? >> it's funny you asked that question because right before i announced that i was going to primary, dan donovan, i went to his house and i met with him because he called guy molinari and said he met with the president and speaking with the president about getting me a pardon. you said you told the president that a marine was wrongfully convicted and needed his help. >> that is not true. here's what i told the president. guy molinari used to be a friend. >> you said that right to my face at your house. >> guy told me he wanted to get michael a pardon. the president invited me to accompany him to fight ms-13. i was on air force one with him and told him a fellow marine guy molinari was looking to seek a pardon for mike. >> what did the president say? will likal grimm will be pardoned? the answer to all these questions and more is thing 2ing
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when last we left the debate between the two the republican candidates in new york's 11th congressional district, dan donovan was talking about how he asked donald trump on behalf of a friend to pardon michael grimm who was running against him. his answer implicates the president in a totally corrupt decision making process for who gets a pardon and who doesn't. >> the president invited me to accompany him to fight ms-13. i was on air force one with him and told him a fellow marine guy molinari was looking to seek a pardon for michael. the president asked did guy molinari support me. i said he was a never trumper. the president did not care to hear this at all. his staff said tell him to call the pardon office. i gave him the flub. >> did everyone just hear that said out loud sflt president decided who will pardon based on who inspired him because, of course, he does.
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now the rest of that exchange just because. >> and you didn't tell me, you didn't invite me to your house. >> no, you came to my house. >> i just showed up unvited. >> you asked me all day to come. >> why did you bring it to the president about guy mo narey. >> at that point he was a friend of mine before he betrayed me. >> when i showed up at your house, you hugged me and kissed me and you had a piece of paper and said look, i spoke to the president but he gave me to his staff. >> the pardon office. >> so you were trying to help me. >> no, i gave you the pardon office. >> you look like a fool right now. if your moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's.
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do ynever thought i'dirst tsee one in real life.r? [ dinosaur screeches ] the park is in the past. run! we're not on an island anymore. there is a town five miles from here. am i dead? not yet, kid.
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change was inevitable and it's happening now. welcome to jurassic world. rated pg-13. asylum was never meant to alleviate all problems, even all serious problems, that people face every day all over the world. so today i'm exercising the responsibility given to me under the i.n.a. and i'll be issuing a decision that restores sound principles of asylum and long-standing principles of immigration law. >> oh, and what exactly were those sound principles of asimon that attorney general jeff sessions mentions there? well, it turns out he meant denying asylum to victims of domestic abuse and gang violence. in a ruling yesterday sessions wrote that such immigrants generally don't qualify for asylum. this is only the latest of many ways the administration wants to make life harder for immigrants who are attempting to come here
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legally. let's be clear. like the multiple reports of border agents physically blocking people from legally seeking asylum, none of this should be a surprise for an administration that constantly dehumanizes and degrades immigrants. its disastrous inhumane policy of taking children away from parents has now precipitated predictably a new crisis, which is shelters overflowing with children. the administration's solution? what they are calling tent cities on military posts, or camps, in other words. camps. for children fleeing violence and persecution. camps for children on american soil. there are people in our vernmentryinto doing about these odious developments. congresswoman jayapal went to a federal prison to meet the immigrant women who came here seeking asylum only to have their children taken away from them. congresswoman jayapal says most of these women now have absolutely no idea where their children are. the congresswoman joins me next.
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the trump administration has
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ripped hundreds of children from their parents at the border. in some cases it appears not even telling the families what's happening. as bigging about reporter liz goodwin reported, "al eman bendiks who's a public defender, said several of her clients have told her their children were taken from her by border control agents who said they were going to give them a bath. as hours passed it was clear they weren't coming back." congressman jayapal met with mothers who were sent to a prison in her state. what was it like inside that facility? what did you hear? >> chris, it was heartbreaking. i met with 174 women in three different groups, what they called three pods, in a federal prison. shockingly, it's a prison after all. they told me it was the best treatment that they've received in all their time being detained, which tells you something about how they were treated in i.c.e. and border patrol custody. these are women, the vast majority of whom are seeking asylum, trying to escape rape and violence and murder.
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one woman from el salvador had her eldest son shot. her second son had been -- her eldest son was shot and killed. her second son was shot and paralyzed. and she took her final child to try to bring him to the united states for safety. story after story like this, chris. and these women were forcibly separated from their children at the border. you mentioned being told they were being taken for a bath. similar kinds of stories, where a woman was taken out to get her photograph taken, taken to these mass prosecutions in these criminal courts that they've set up where they're prosecuting 75 to 100 women at a time, and then came back and found there was no child there anymore. not a one of them had been able to say good-bye to their children. and none of them knew where their children were. none of them had spoken to their children. they had literally been in detention probably 40% to 50% of them for more than a month in our or five facilities. these were all individuals who
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were transferred mostly from the texas border. they hailed from 16 different countries. they were sitting in a room next to the room where their child was being held in some cases, and they could hear the children screaming for their parents. it was absolutely heartbreaking. and their treatment in the i.c.e. and border patrol facilities was just outrageous. i have worked on immigration issues for 20 years, and this is about as bad as i've seen it. in many cases they were not given water to drink for five days. they had a sink in their cell, and that water was dirty, chlorinated water and that's what they had to drink. one woman said she was hit twice by border patrol right here just below her eye on her cheekbone. many of them talked about these facilities that they have nicknames for. one nickname is the icebox because the temperatures are so cold that they liken it to a freezer. some of these women had crossed
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the rio grande, come out of the river wet to turn themselves in, and were immediately put into these freezing facilities, no blankets, no mats. another facility they call the dog pound because it is filled with cages. like kennels. which is where they were held. and chris, i just have to tell you, it was heartbreaking. every time they talked about their children they went. they are strong courageous women escaping rape, gang violence, murder, political persecution, coming to the united states. they want to do this legally. they have not yet had what is called a credible fear hearing, which is what determines whether or not you get asylum. >> i just want to be clear on that. this is a technical point. but have they had anyone do a first pass with them on credible fear? >> no. they had not had any credible fear hearings. and most of them had not seen an attorney. and in fact, you know, i have to say i was very surprised that i was allowed in. the warden was great to me. the prison staff were really
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good to me. much better actually than sometimes my dealings with ice. but i was able to ask them if they wanted an attorney. and we took down over 100 names of women who wanted to see an attorney in order to then give it to our partners, the northwest immigrant rights project, so they could connect with them and at least get some legal resources. some of the women had been given tees little slips of paper, white slips of paper, that had their name and then their kids' names, and one woman said to me, these are not my children, the names that were listed on the paper, were not even her children. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you so much for reporting that out for us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> as i've mentioned before, we have a great episode about this topic on "why is this happening?" plus we have a brand new episode today with amy chu on political tribalism. also very good in my opinion. check it out. on tune in or whenever you get your podcasts. that is "all in" for this evening. tonight, donald trump has made history by sitting


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