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you can find me all day long on twitter. i've got some work do here in d.c. so i won't see you with my partner at 11:00 but i will see you tomorrow. and i hand off to chris janson in new york. >> good wednesday morning. i'm in for hallie jackson who's back from sing 0 pore. someone who's already back is president trump taking an early morning victory lap on not one but two fronts, first declaring north korea is no long air nuclear threat. thanking kim jong-un and going after his critics. this morning, though, questions persist about the deal and what it means for the military. second, and breaking overnight, the president scoring at least one win in tuesday's primaries. south carolina's mark sanford is out, but a nightmare scenario is now a reality for the gop in virginia. and the boarrage of bad headlins continues for pruitt. he had an epa aide use her job
to contact donors to try to get his wife a job. we have our team here covering it all this morning about the we want to start this hour with those new headlines from the singapore summit. president trump back in washington this morning with no shortage of things to say about his meeting with north korea. blasting out nearly a dozen tweets on the subject since leaving asia. this morning, he's saying the world can feel much safer now than when he took office. secrary of state mike pompeo remains in the region. he's in south korea right now before heading to beijing. his goal, to keep seoul on board given the president's comments about the u.s. military on the ninsula. and that's what has lawmakers on capitol hill nervous. democrats and republicans worry president trump offered up too much and got too little. nbc's geoff bennett is at the white house. the president coming home with homework in tow with all the outstanding questions and decisions that are still to be
made. what's priority one for the administration right now? >> reporter: good morning, chris. well, the president is taking on the role of salesman and chief largely because the lack of details contained in the agreement. the earl sse that north korea and were winners here, it's all really ributing to an air of skepticism here in washington, even among republicans as you suggest, about what the president really accomplished. meanwhile, the president is really trying to spin this as a vi declaring that north korea no longer poses a nuclear threat, even though kim jong-un hasn't committed to a timetable for giving up his regime's weapons. now, i asked kellyanne conway, the president's senior adviser about this early this morning, asked her if the president's no longer a threat if that's s premate. >> they want this president to completely denuclearization, that has to be complete, verifiable and irreversible. that will take a while.
>> a little optimistic? >> how is the president -- >> at least he's going to bother to consult with congress ue the one sided where we gave up so much including piles of cash and got very little in return. >> reporter: now you herd conway talking about consulting with congress. but the white house doesn't want a halfhearted agreement with north korea that could be scrapped in much the way that president trump ripped up the obamara iran deal. separately, chris, you might imagine that the president would be catching up on some sleep after a 20-plus hour travel to singapore. but is it appears he's up and watching our coverage and he's not too happy about it. he tweeted this. so funny to watch the fake news, especially nbc and cnn and it goes on from there. this reflects a view that even the outcome of those talks was short on details, white house administration officials say that the fact that the president is replacing diplomacy with the specter of a showdown,
that that in itself is a good thing. chris. >> geoff bennett on another fascinating morning here. thank you so much. garrett haake is on capitol hill. garrett, kellyanne conway says the president is going to consult congress -- i mean, is a phone call going to be enough? ar they going to want an actual vote? whatever this final agreement comes down to. what are you hearing on th >> reporter: yeah, a phone call will not get the job done. the senate wants to hear from mike pompeo. they want to bring him back here to the senate foreign relations committee and have him spell out exactly what actuallhappened in this summit, how's it going to go, what's the time frame, what are we actually expect to get out of it? they want to be brought into the process early. secondarily, they doant a vote. in fact, both party leaders said yesterday they would like to see whatever ultimately comes out of these negotiations with north korea presented to them as a treaty, something that would have to get two-thirds of the vote in the senate. 67 senators having to vote for this.
they want first of all that oversight. they want to have some control over the process make sure the u.s. isn't giving up too much and getting too little. and second, as geoff said, they want to make sure that whatever comes out of these negotiations isn't something that a future president could come along and you do given the gravitas of this whole summit, the whole north korean issue, they want to make sure if there's a solution it's a permanent solution, one that would be enshrined in law in the form of a treaty and not just an executive an that a re president could say this doesn't work for me. >> garrett haake, thank you very much. i'm just being told that chuck schumer was on the floor and had something to say about this agreement. let's take a listen. that just came down. >> emphasis on showmanship as opposed to substance will not serve america or the prospects for peace well. >> wit us now evelyn farc cuss, former isn't secretary of defense in the obama administration and now analyst
and contributor. also here, tony, an expert on north korea who's been involved in u.s./north korea talks in the paftd. he's also traveled to the nation dozens of times. they joined our panel for hour. msnbc political analyst and former senior adviser toator rand paul, elise jordan along with demratic strategist a president of the victory find, ayesha mood did mills. evelyn, this is a reality tv president but one who now is faced with a very real challenge of making this idea that a safer country, the world is a sa place aeality. chuck schumer talked about showman ship versus substance. where does this come down for you? >> for me it comes down to the timetable. we have seen no evidence that there's a timetable. first of all, the north koreans didn't even tell the president who the interlocutor would be with mike pompeo.
that's troubling me because you have to negotiate that first. there needs to be a timetable fo meetings to negotiate the details and then the whole process of figuring out what the north koreans have, how many facilities, where are they located, how much material, where is it located, then who is going to come in and verify all of that and then who's going to var figverify the elimbation nan of all of that. and the president is holding the hand of both sides of the aisle, both chambers of congress. >> tony, we have the situation where the president is very busy on twitter on his way back. his overriding message i think is that we remove i removed the nuclear threat here. if that's going to become a reality and are we any close really to that reaty than we were before this summit? but what is on the plate right now of mike pompeo? because you've beenved in these talks before. >> well, i think we've rounded first base and not much more than that. but it's a spectacular begin, i
have to app president trump for what he's been able to do to pull thi off, do something that his predecessors, none them has been able to do. and that's precisely becau of the underlying assumptions behind the negotiations with north korea that you don't treat them like a criminal, you don't reward them for good behavior, you treat them as a sovereign equal, number one. have to take actions in a simultaneous manner, not a sequential manner. it's not a matter of you going first and then we'll follow. >> you don't have a problem with the fact that this person is a murderous dictator stood on the stage flags side by side as an equal with the leaderthe free world? what did we get in exchange for that, tone? i what was our advantage in giving him that which he desperately wanted we moved away from the possibility of massive, massive catastrophic casualties from an armed cflict with nokorea la year. that in and of itself is a
tremendous achievement. >> are we in a position, do you think, evelyn, where at the very least while these talks are going on at least the threat to the south korea is mitigated to almost nothing? >> i think the threat to south korea and japan from nuclear and conventional forces is definitely minimized somewhat. i mean, it's not eliminated, that's a reality. but i would agree with tony that i don't like the fact that we put the guy on par with our president, i certainly don't like the flag thing. but, if at the end that's what incentivizes the korean leader to stick with us, great. my concern lies with the fact that we gave up some of our leverage. when the president talk about maximum pressure, i think he's only thinking about the sanctions, the economic sanctions. but the military, there's military pressure there in our deterrence. and those exercises that we conduc regularly with our allies, that's part of the maximum pressure too. >> and i want to come back that and i want to come back to the war games. but in this whole idea that this
was produced like a reality tv show think there one the stng moments for a lot of people, they were confused about this videohat gets shown. they thought it was a north korean video propaganda veo and it turns out if was actually proded by the u.s. what do you make of this and is this essentially now for kim jong-un a huge business opportunity? well, the video is truly bizarre and the national security council spokesman verified that, yes, it came from the unusual security press office, which i formerly worked there and this was certainly not anything that had ever been produced before. >> you never worked o a like this? >> never worked on anything quite like this. but as with donald trump, with everything involved with the summit it has been about the show. it has been about the pageantry, it has been about donald trump using his personality and feeling the confidence level to go in and that he could by merit
of being donald trump woo kim jong-un. so that is at -- >> one. things he's wing him with is he's saying, look, you've got all this great waterfront property, you should be having condos and hotels there? >> i'm really struggling with the fact that we're talking free world, wooing this leader guy as if it's a good thing. like, i just want to back up for minute. i think this is pro pos ter tlaus we are somehow putting the united states in a position of allowing this dictator, this vile man who kills his people, killed his own brother, who is perhaps one of the most vile dictators ever, puttingim now on par with being, oh, we're going to give him a vc pitch and present to him an economic argument as to why he needs to stop killing and murdering people. let's also not forget that the conflict that we're talking abon and threat that we were under was because trump poked out his chest and went out and started
king the bear and created that conflict. and now all the sudden once they have this dog and pony show that says look at me, i de-escalated everything that i caused in the first place. >> but it was a pretty bad situation. >> before. >> whatever president had come into it, and certainly he should not have fanned the flames, but it was a terribleon that the status quo. >> it's always been a terrible situation. >> he's changing it. they -- i mean they went from to having nothing to having icbms this year something had to give. >> i think we need to really, r th -- precedent that we are setting where our president is now validating, parting on the back and calling a good guy with a great personality someone who say vile dictator. and we should be skeptical of the fact that our president values and admires a vladimir putin or kim jong-un as opposed
to a justin trudeau. >> and the other concern, surprising both the military and south korea about saying we're going to stop these war games and tweeting again today we save a fortune by not doing war games. is tt what we should be worried about? >> no. first of all, if we didn't do war games our readiness would decline andould more to bring our readiness back up again. so i don't know where he's just making that up. >> i see no evidence that we save any money by not having exercises. yes, exercises cost money to stage. they don't cost that much. and he's also probably conflating this with deployments which in the case of south korea where we have forces deployed, about 28,000, actually the south koreans pay for half of the deployment, the basing costs. so that's also a speeshous argument. rights front, kim jong-un is a despicable character, despicable leader, 1,010 people are living in these camps and the labor
camps. the u.n. did a very exhaustive report in 2014 and there have been other reports coming out. so we know it's bad. but the reality is we've always negotiated with savory characters. it's true our president should not have used the words that he used, and that compounded with his love for those other dictators or his aspoused spect for them and his nice words for them is truly troubling. i guesss a national security person i go down to brass tacks. if this will help him get a deal with kim jong-un, i'm willing to overlook it. i understand the risks involved. >> so in our last 30 seconds i don't want ask tony really quickly, ma what is our optimism on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being it will happen that a real substantive deal that truly does make the world a safer place comes out of this beginning? this first base. do we get the home run? >> it all hinges on whether cvid, everybody knows what that means now, is coupled with ip, complete verifiable,
irreversible peace. and if these two go hand in hand, yes, i'm very optimistic. >> verification, verification, verification. >> verification of peace as well. >> but if i could say something, there's also the conventional issue. so that does get human rights. the kim jong-un regime, the north korean regime would need to change tremendously in order for there to be peace. >>velyn, tony, thanks to both of you and elise and ayesha, you'll be back with us. up next, sanford's re-election bid goes down i flames and it's a wakeup call of any republican thinking of opposing president trump. and just when you thought you heard it all about epa scott pru at this time, we're shining the spotlight once again. when will the white house say enough is enough? what's new? we just switched to geico and got more. more? they've been saving folks money for over 75 years. a company you can trust. geico even helped us with homeowners insurance. more sounds great.
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i've always been a realist and at this point based on the numbers i see, i think that i'll tonsouth carolina spokeion. with a clear voice, it's time. >> president trump is taking credit this morning for the stunning mid-term upset in south carolina's congressional district. mark sanford, an occasional critic of the president defeated by katy herrington in last night's republican primary. she had branded sanford a never trum just hours before the polls closed, president trump fired off a tweet backing her, slamming sanford, saying had he been unhelpful. trump even took a shot at sanford for that well publicized
extramarital affair nearly a decade ago. this morning from air force one the president sent out anoth tweet. my political representatives didn't want me to get involved in the mark sanford primary thinking that sanford would easily win but with a few hours left i felt that catie was a goo candidate and sanford was so bad had to give it a shot. congrats to katy arrington. here to breakall down, as we love to have and what it means for the mid-terms msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. so the big question is, what happened to mark sanford? that wasn't close. it wasn't a few hundred votes. >> yeah, no. look, there was some sense that sanford was in trouble heading into this. he has baggage that predates the trump era. you mentioned former governor, had he that affair, said he was on the appalachian trail. this was his big comba a couple years ago, got back into congress, won an election in 2013. thought he was back in the game and then along comes donald trump and katy arrington.
what did sanford do to bring this on himself with republican voters? you mentioned there's criticism of president trump, he called him to release his tax returns. it wasn't the worst criticism, i've seen worse on the republican side. the other element that's fascinating is katy arrington, go back in time two years ago, on the same day that mitt romney gave that highly publicized speech where he called trump a liar and a fraud, she went on facebook and said i'm proud of mitt romney. this says a lot about the republican party. folks who align themselves with p in the last two years, no matter what they said before, they're starting to get ahead in the republican party. folks who haven't necessarily take than message, they're arting to fall behind. last week alabama republican congress marijuana martha roby, she denouncedtrump, forced in a runoff she could lose her seat. that's the big story in south carolina. and quickly we want to mention implications here for the fall in virginia. cory stewart this man's name, he'll be the republican nominee
for the senate if the had is to run against tim kaine. republicans are worried not because they had a shot at tim kaine's sheet. but stewart makes confederate moderates an issue. he's aligned himself with anti-semitism, ace racism. he's tried to distance himself. but a lot of baggage there. and the fear for republicans this is the top of your ticket in virginia. this man, those associations, all the questions that spring up from that. and you have three congressional districts in virginia held by republicans that democrats think they can flip in a wave year and now add to the top of that republican ticket statewide in virginia, cory stewart. that's something they're not thrilled with last night. >> thank you for that. breaking ialdown after last night and, as always, an liegds the results. let me bring in msnbc political analyst and former rnc chairman michael steele. back with me say lease jordan and ayesha mills. as someone who's been immersed in mid-term strategy, what's
your takeaway by these trump-backed cannedidates and t side of katy arrington, is it trump's way or the highway? quite some time.for this really answers the question why aren't republicans in the house and senate being more aggressive, moving, you know, against the president when he says and does things that are clearly outside the bounds. well, it's because of congressional districts like the ones we saw in virginia and alabama, and elsewhere. and certainly south carolina last night where the trump support has consolidated and it is -- is ferment, ing, if you will, with this idea that you're against the president or you're with the president if the you're with the president you've got prove it every day and if you're against the president we're going to take you out. >> i'm assuming you're not
saying fermenting in a good way like a fine wine. >> you'd no, there's nothing fine about this at all. in fact and elise knows this very well because we see it, it is co is corroding from within. it is trumpism. butill say this. primary is not a general election. and that's where national republicans are concerned. those three congressional districts, particularly congresswoman comstockton in the tenth congressional district in virginia in trouble. you could see that. everyone's looking over here but look at virginia because virginia could be the precursor of a wave that people have been talking about. >> mark sanford who looked like had he not ruled out this possibility of this happening was pretty philosophical in his concession speech. i want to play just a little more of that. >> there's been too much made of are you for one personality or
against it? what we're about as nation is not being for or against one personality. again, we're a nation of laws and not men as theg fathers said stand by that beli in this case it mayd significant electoral consequence. >> maybe in this case and also, elise, if there are republicans thinking the can run for re-election and separate themselves, criticize donald trump, is that gone? is this a wakeup call for them? >> this is constantly the question you hear. well, when are republicans going to start challenging donald trump? well, look at what happened last night. mark sanford, someone who has been more outspoken than most republicans, particularly wrietding an op-ed in the "new york times" calling on trump to release his tax returns. look at what happened to him. and mark sanford is beloved by the freedom caucus, it's a definitely hawk. he's someone who is known as a stanch conservative. but he said he could not sit and watch trump and the lies, and
the lies really bothered him. i think thatark sanford deserves credit for a strategy that wasn't political astute but was the right thing to do. >> we're out of time. for democrats, what do they take away from this? >> let's remember this is still the year of the woman. in virginia in particular every single competitive seat that the democrats are trying to pick up a woman is the candidate for that. so watch that. >> ayesha, elise. >> michael steele, thankou s much. appreciate it. gop lawmakers aren't just falling in line to avoid the dreaded presidential tweet. how they're start put the essure on the special counsel to wrap up. let's take a look at some numbers:
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jackson in washington in the manafort case that day, can we move it to the next day? so the judge said yes. so basically they asked for these subpoenas to be reissued with the new trial date. so thas all it is. they had already sought subpoenas for witnesses before the trial. they were supposed to show up on tuesday. now the new subpoenas will say wednesday. that's what this is all about. >> thank you for that. in the meantime, in addition to what's happening with paul manafort, it was always going to be a big week in the mueller probe. and our friends at the rachel maddow show put together a handy calendar to help us keep track. first, later this afternoon james wolfe, the former senate intel staffer charged with lying to federal investors as part of a leak investigation is due to appear in court in d.c. tomorrow the justice department's inspector general will release that much-anticipated report on the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's use of private e-mail, expected to be hundreds of pages long. also tomorrow the doj will
reportedly brief the gang of 8 on that fbi source who met with three trump campaign aides and it's a huge day friday. paul mania forts will be arraigned on yet another indictment. that's the one alleging witness tampering and it puts his bail situatioin limbo. meaning, he could land inl. and friday is also an important deadline for michael cohen and the pra the president's lawyers. by then they have to review the documents seized by cohen back in april. we have the political reporter for the new york times an an msnbc political analyst. i want to start with this new political poll. it shows 53% of republicans have an unfavorable opinion of bob md since july rudy giuliani leading the campaign against the mueller probe, but he's been careful not to go after mueller directly. take a listen. >> it kind of gives the american people a glimpse of what weave to deal with day in and day out with the abuses, not so much of
bob mueller, but of the people that work for him. i mean, they're way over the top. i'm not saying mueller is lal get mate, i'm saying the basis on when he was appointed is illegitimate. they're a group of 13 highly partisan democramake up the mueller team, excluding him, are trying very, very hard to frame him, to get him in trouble when he hasn't done anything wrong. >> so, nick, even noe though giuliani is walking this fine line, he's not goingfter him per se, he's going after the poll and the team, clearly if you look at that poll it's interesting having the intended effect. >> i'm surprised that mueller is still that popular with republicans. that's a great number for him. he has not said a single word in public about this investigation since he was appointed. he and his team speak only through subpoenas and court motions and court documents. meanwhile, the president has beut there bashing the investigation and there are
others who have bashed the justice department for allowing the investigation. so republicans have had the upper hand in the pr war here. they have been going hard at this thing for monthsnd months and months. it's actually a tribute that lers numbers are that high with republicans. >> even though it's going in that direction you think it's amazing that he's not under water essentially? >> yeah. look, he is not able to defend himself. and so it's -- it's kind of a one-side pr bted approximately the so, yeah, i think that. >> "the washington post" reports that rod rosenstein is going to brief the president on that inspecr general's report on the clintd ton e-mail investigation. what we think it's going to be is very critical of mccabe, comey, loretta lynch. what are you looking for? >> i think the key thing that's going to come out of this is what does it do to the credibility of especially james comey and mccabe who were sort of at the very beginning of this mueller investigation. think it's going to be critical of them. i do think there were some missteps. there's been some public
reporting suggesting that there's going to be criticism of the way that comey handled the public statements about the e-ma e-mail scandal and mccabin terms of his honesty in leak egg a -- leaking and talking about the leaks after the fact. i wou get the trump t willse satein and hence mueller >> i want toorrect something pete said the manafort trial is supposed to start in january of course it's next month in july. but let's go closer to friday. what are the chances he ends up sleeping that night and from here on till the trial in jail? >> i think he's going to jail. i do think the judge will send him, absolutely. >> really? >> the mueller team has charged manafort now with an additional crime of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. i can tell you nothing makes prosecutors crazier and angrier than witness tampering and judges have very little tolerance for witness tampering because if gees to the heart of the system. it's cheating. it's bending the rules of the
criminal justice system. there's a strong case against manafort here. they have the encrypted texts that he sent out to these witnesses basically telling them here's the story, i'm going to put this story in your mouth and you're going to repeat it. >> you can't look at that, can you,nick, without sayingokay, if ellie's right and he ends up going l even though this is in anticipation waiting for his trial to start, this is not a conviction at trial, different things, but there's a lot of other people who are wondering what their prospects are who are ine watching somebody, the stature of paul manafort potentially going behind . >> exactly. it's kind of fascinating to wonder what the aftereffects will be. first of all, paul manafort has been sort of brazen and proud in denying any guilt here in invest protesting his innocence. and he's gone so far as to allegedly try to tamper with the investigation as it's in progress. which is amazing when you think about it. first question is how does a few
nights or aew weeks or months in jail affect his temperament on striking a deal with mueller? and the second is how does it change the posture of other witnesses in the mueller probe and how does it change the posture of the white house if they believe that manafort is close to flipping? >> yeah, so ellie, what's the conversation like if you're in the room and you're the lawyer and you're talking to one of these other people who's the target of this probe maybe who's underindictment in this probe, what do you say when they come to you and t say d suft see the paul manafort went to jail? >> it's a huge -- >> if he does. >> if he does, it's potentially a game changer. the whole psychology changes. when you're a defendant and out on bail you're fighting like mad to stay out. you will delay, deny, drag your feet, whatever you have to do. but when that shifts and now you're in jail, you're whole mindset changes and you're thinking i got to get out of here. i'll do whatever i can to get out of here as quickly as possible. and the quickest way to get out and so cooperate. and if that happens we'll see a
whole different game here. >> always a great conversation. ellie, nick, good to see you my friend. epa scott pruitt is in hot water again. it doesn't involve a used trump hotel mattress, doesn't involve ritz carlton moisturizing cream. this time it's yet another chapter in the job hunt saga. you want believe the sa nas s-- tenacity of the hunter. we're on swamp watch next. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses,
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and this morning a new headline on embattle epa director scott pruitt. . "the washington post" is reporting that pitt had a top aid reach out to republican dope nors to help his wife secure a job with a conservative political group. just another unusual example of what seems to be in the job description to work for scott pruitt. the it. >> unofficial duties include picking up dry-cleaning moisturizer, protein bars, making coffee although it has to be the pour over kind. book vacation, scouting apartments, finding out how to buy a used mattress from trump international hotel. if all that sounds good to you, maybe the epa is the place for you since those are all
reportedly, allegedly tasks assigned to folks who worked for epa chief scott pruitt. i' joined now by washington post senior national affairs correspondent who's here to talk about her new reporting. alicia jordan back withe. julia, what is it this time? what are your sources telling you about scott pruitt trying to get his wife a job? >> we've been looking into for some time but recently pubd stories both about his efforts to line up a chick-fil-a franchise for his wife marlon as well as what we published today in terms of the job that she landed at the judicial crisis network, it's clear from our reporting that scott pruitt is has been anxious about his family's finances since joining trump's cabinet. mai two residences at this point, one in tulsa with
a mortgage that's roughly in the 5,000, 50 five hundred dollars month range as w as of course now paying for a pricey apartment here in washington, d.c. and so he's starting really in may of last year started trying to figure out how his wife who had worked as a school nurse for some years inir first half of the 1990s but had stayed home with their kids could reenter the workforce. but obviously what's unusual is that from his perch as head of the environmental protection agency, he has passed multiple aides to reach out and try to solicit jobs for his wife. >> and that's -- by the way, right? >> not -- exactly, not in the nursing provision, but bo nursing profession, but in terms ched out to other wlthy donors and folks, he lined of a logistical conference work, she worked on the conference where he spoke at in the city in id for that.
and hen in addition she landed a job at this judicial advocacy conservative group which is linked to a society which is he very cse to. and she worked there for some months before leaving earlier this year. >> so what does the epa or the whituse have to say about well, that's a really good question. the epa referred us to the -- mr. pruitt's outside counsel who did not return my calls and e-mails seeking comment. and the white house has not yet commented on it but we're hoping that we'll get something today now that our story is out. >> we've been down this road with scott pruitt before. i just want to remind folks that when sara huckabee sanders has been asked repeatedly aboutthess had to say. >> i haven't had a chance to speak with the president directly about "the washington post" new report. we continue to have concerns and look into those and we'll address them. certainly looking into the matter. i couldn't comment on the specifics of the furniture use in his apartment. he was referencing a report done
by the epa which we are continuing to review. i know there was a much larger number of securites surrounding the epa administrator than in the past. but for specific questions i'd refer you back to the epa. we take this seriously and we're looking into it. >> elise, as someone who's worked in the white house, there are currently at least 14 ongoing investigations involving scott pruitt and you heard her saying we're looking into it. what's the magic number? what's the number -- i'm sorry, 15 ongoing investigations and one of them complete, so 14 are still operational. what's the number does he have to hit 20? >> i mean, he really is campaigning in a huge way to be the most corrupt member of the trump administration. i mean, that's the reality show that we'reing play out. and all these different cabinets among the trump family's own staffers, ivanka and jared and
their -- you know are the trademarks that thooes she's obtained and the money she's tained from the trump hotel, this starts at the top. and it's sad that corruption is the greatest political liability that this nation faces. >> and just last week the president gave a vote of confidence to him. so it does beg the question as long as he's dismantling a lot of obama era environmental regulations, is there no number that he can reach? >> this is when the people need to stand up. the power of the people need to just stand up and say we're not going to have a corrupt government. >> i was talking tle last night and they said part of the problem is there's just so many things that people want to staund about they don't know where -- they don't know which 1 to stand up for. >> at the end of the day this guy is abusing his power and congress is doing nothing, no one is investigating, this is just ridiculous and problematic and i'm thankful that we keep talking about it because people also forget, right? so we got to keep raising this issue. >> it's so absurd. this is a farce if the you've got the guy having a security
detail taking him around to find a special moisturizer. >> this sin sanity. is not draining the swamp. thising a bunch of fertilizer on it. >> julia, you and i have been around washington a long time, have you ever seen anything in terms of this quantity of accusations against a single person in an administration? >> no, i have not. we're obviously living under an unconventional presidency, one that's very different from the one you and i covered under the last administration. hink that that speaks to why this is going on. i mean, again, this is someone who is still respected and appreciated by the president and until mr. trump decides that he wants different leadership in there, there's no immediate indication that scott pruitt will be leaving the helm of the epa. >> julia and her friends at the washington post have been doing
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and it's not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation as it relates to a president thathapp parties. >> that was just a couple minutes ago on capitol hill. you saw bob corker responding to the primary loss of his gop colleague. congressman mark samford, in south carolina. we also heard from paul ryan. he said you'd have to ask south carolina voters whether the criticism of president trump had an impact on hisss. now, this year voters in america's most populist state will decide on what is a radical proposal.whether california sho split into three separate states. california's secretary of state announcing that supporters of this initiative got enough signatures to get this thing on the november ballot. here's what it would look like
on the map. the state of northern california would go from the baya up to the oregon border. the state of california would be anchored by l.a. along the coast, and then the state of southern california would go from fresno south. joining me now, peggy grandee, spokesperson for the group pushing this. as i understand it, your group's argument, peggy j is california has too many people. the economy is too big. california citizens pay a lot of taxes but don't get enough benefits. a majority of californians, though, 72%, say they would vote against this. make your pitch. how do you convince them? >> anybody who lives in california knows it's broken. it's too big to function and govern we are ranked last in overall quality of life this past month. we're ranked at the bottom in
tk-12 education. we have crumbling roads. the people of california believe we deserve better. this is an initiative by people who love california and want to stay there and raise their families there. and have business economic opportunity the, and that's not happening right now. >> some of the critics say you're ignoring the problems this would create. i want to read from an article today, quote. critics have long wonders how citizens of a state where the majority of water supplies exist in one region would react if negotiations over new interstate compacts to share the resource went contentious. people may balk at being charged out of state tuition. a company could face two corporate tax structures and workplace regulations that a workplace might impose differently. their argument is you are oversimplifying and ignoring the enormous problems this would cause. >> california does have enormous prms, and we believe this is
the solution. we know that smaller governments function better. they'reeresponsible. they're more responsive to the people. we look at 49 states all smaller than california, and they're all doing it better by almost every measure. so we do believe that california broken int three states would still be a large state. we would have large problems but we would be able to bring the solutions closer to reflect the ne wants of people within each geogrregion. >> you did get 600,000 californians to give signatures. how do turnhis around? when you look at the see the up hill climb, do you have the money or resources? what are you goiet now and the vote to try and make this a reality. 're going to message out. we expect broad bipartisan support. >> you don't have a fund? you don't have millions of dollars waiting? you're not going to mount a tv ad campaign? >> you'll see a lot coming out. we qualified ballot yesterday. we appreciate you giving us the opportunity to talk about it
today. you're going to be hearing a lot about this issue. it's something that people not just in california but across the nation are going to be watching. all of a s if we break california into three states. instead of an electoral assumption, we are relevant again. that's another factor that i think will be watched interestingly nationwide. >> peggy grand y. >> thank you for having me on. >> today's big picture. i love this. minnesota, a everybody titter went crazy, is abouthis. it's about a raccoon scaling a skyscraper in st. paul. that's right. this guy went absolutely viral. people lost sleep over this. after npr there.the #nprraccoon the city and nation captivated by a daring climb. would he make it to the top?
when woman said she would be devastated if he fell. there he was shaking, taking a nap. finally in the middle of the night, we got our answer. >> go, buddy, go. ladies and gentlemen -- >> the announcer is kind of subdued. they were exhau was 2:30 in the morning. here's the great news. ou furry friend is safe and sound. ali velshi was awake most of the night. >> watching that. i have a love/hate relationship with these things. i grew up in toronto. it doesn't make sense climb up a building but they can. they can pick your lock. they can hold you hostage.
>> is that what happened to you? >> i'm terrified by them and fascinated. >> that would explain a lot. you were once a raccoon picked a lock and held ali velshi hostage. >> right. good. was freed. >> we're glad to have you here. >> glad to be back, and i am happy for that raccoon. congratulations, raccoons all world. what's going on? >> there's no stopping them now. once they've seen that, there's no stopping them now. there's going to be a raccoon on the ballot in 2020 in america. you decide if you like that idea. good morning. stephanie rule stephanie ruhle is off. it's wednesday, june 13th. let's get smarter. >> tweeting this morning after his long trip, everybody can now feel much safer than the day i took office. there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. >> i felt good at the beginning, and i talked about we have to denuke this country has to be denuked. he fully understood that. he didn't fight it. people were saying what's he
like? he's got a very good personality. he's funny, and he's very, very smart. he's a great negotiator. and he's a very strategic kind of a guy. i think the rhetoric, i hated to do it. sometimes i felt foolish doing it, but we had no choice. >> strategically you were doing it? >> well, yeah, and i think he gained respect. >> what would he have to do to get the sanctions lifted to get the economic opportunity opened up for the people? >> what he wants is security. i understand that. he'll get that. getting rid of a missile which isn't done in the document. that was done after. getting rid of a missile testing site. they're doing so much now. it's a process, and it's really moving rapidly. we're not going to be doing the war games as long as we're negotiating in good faith. so that's good for a number of reasons in addition to which we save a tremendous amount of money. >> that was a to do that. it was y, and premature,