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that at about noon, the justice department is going to brief members of congress and the ice department inspector ed general's report on various activities within the justice department and the fbi concerning the 2016 election. including the fbi and the justice department's handling of the clinton e-mail investigation. we are told that this report that's due out tomorrow is about 50pages long. it's on a number of ithat are incredibly contentious, including the e-mail investigation,he behavior james comey behind that, that rudy giuliani was getting leaks in a way that was designed to advantage the trump campaign on that subject. we're expecting a big hairy eyeball of an report on that tomorrow. it's likely to dominate the news. heads up. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you tomorrow.
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now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> good evening, rachel. i tune in early at this point in your program because this is where i get my homework assignments tomorrow. so i have 500 pages coming at me tomorrow? >> yes. if you -- the way to prep for it is to look at the justice departme inspeorgeneral's website, it's like a table o contents of nonpartisan anxiety about law enforcement and the election. it is going to be a huge hairy deal tomorrow. >> team, cancel my schedule tomorrow. thanks, rachel. >> sorry. >> you've ruined another -- what was going to be a perfectly pleasant afternoon. >> it's going to rain. you'll be fine. >> we have work to do. >> thanks, lawrence. >> we have work to do. thanks, rachel. well, michael cohen is just not rich enough. that's one of his problems. president trump's personal attorney michael cohen said he had to take out a home equity loan to pay stormy daniels
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$130,000 to never tell her story about having sex with donald trump, a story she then told. if michael cohen had to take out a home equity loan to pay $130,000 to stormy daniels, he cannot afford the team of 15 lawyers who have been representing him in federal court in manhattan who cost well over130,000 aweek. some of his lawyers bill significantly more than $1,000 an hour. and they are not lawyers whose law firms are comfortable with promises to pay. th are law firms that generally demand immediate so on a financial basis alone, it should come as nothat he no la it was reported on abc news report that michael cohen has dropped his lawyers. it also says, cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in new york, sources said. this development, which is
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believed to be imminent, will likely hit the white house, family staffers, and counsels hard. nbc news has verified that michael cohen is parting ways with his legal team. the "new york times" attri the ne the payment of legal bills to his lawyers and their relative lack of experience with the federal prosecutors' office in new york. the "new york times" cites two unnamed sources who say that michael cohen has not yet been approached by the prosecutors seeking his cooperation, but those sources expect that, quote, the pressure on mr. cohen to cooperate may well intensify. the manan u.s. attorney's office is investigating michael cohen for possible bank fraud, campaign finance violations and other possible crimes. "the washington post" is reporting, big worries in trump world tonight, quote, after working for a decade as trump's personal attorney, cohen has extensive knowledge of the prident's personal dealings
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and the trump campaign family business. the president's allies worried that the prosecutors in manhattan arettempting to build a criminal case against cohen to push him to cooperate with the special counsel probe, a prospect they see as potentially dire. emily jane fox who has direct communication with michael cohen, inclu today, michael cohen has felt isolated by president trump and his inner circle in washington who has distanced themselves from him. earlier this year he was telling eric trump that he felt they were sloppy in the way they handled the stormy daniels agent. which ran keled cohen. it's ruining my children's lives. it's ruining my wife's life. than a pit in your stomach. don quixote didn't have a wife
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or kids, and he was never raided by the fbi. so maybe he mnt some other fictional don. "the washington post" is also reporting that michael cohen, quote, is feeling neglected by the president, his long-time patron for whom he has long essed his loyalty. here's what sam noneberg said about michael cohen. >> i worry about michael. michael cohen got screwed he got screwed the most i ever saw by anyone. by donald trump. >> special prosecutor robert mueller referred his findings about michael cohen to the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york where the case is being heard by a federal judge who's deciding what evidence might be protected by attorney/client privilege. but "the washington post" is reporting tonighting referred that evidence to the u.s. attorney's office in new york, special prosecutor robert
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mueller is not finished with michael cohen. whose name apparently has resurfaced in testimony by a former member of the ukrainian parliament. according to "the washington post," a former member of the ukrainian parliament said in an interview that many of the questions he faced during several hours of testimony friday were focussed on his ctions with cohen, he met with cohen in january 2017 to discuss a back channel peace initiative for ukraine. i realize that michael cohen is a target of special interest to mueller. artemenko told "the washington post" this weekdays after he was questioned. off our discussions, joyce vance and ryan goodman. and joyce vance we want to get
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your reaction to these developments with michael cohen. >> it's very interesting, but i think it's also in many ways veryunclear what the exact situation is with cohen. and so what we'll have w for, the most important thing, lawrence, will be if there comes e when cohen actually sits down with federal prosecutors. because it's not a situation where you suddenly wave a magic wand and someone's cooperating. it's really a very involved dance where details will have to worked out. cohen will have to understand that the cooperation he would provide would have to be full and complete. so we're many steps removed from being ableo say he will be assisting the mueller prosecution. >> ryan goodman, we have one report, just indicate the kind of expenses here. the special master who was appointed by the judge to and decide what might be he case protected by attorney/client privilege, the special master
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cost, according to one report, $47,000 in the first week alone. that's one week of the special master who's been on this for week. that cost was supposed to be split between the prosecutors and michael cohen's side. and that's just one expense. michael cohen's own attorneys could easily b being hundreds of thousands a week. >> that's right. that could break an even if you find cheaper attorneys he's not going to find a cheaper way out of this talking about costs at this level. it's another indication it's almost like a perfect storm greeting him with the president isolating him and all of these costs that he seems to be legally exposed on so many fronts. you would think his time for cooperation is coming. >> joyce, "vanity fair" is reporting that the break up with the lawyers was spurred by a disagreement over payment and how much the trump organization was expected to foot on cohen's
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behalf, according to two sources with knowledge of the dispute. so the issue there seems to be michael cohen expecting the trump organization to be paying more of the attorney's fees involved in this evidentiary procedure. thisusual situation where trump actually could foot the bill for some of cohen's fees because cohen did work for the trump organization in the past. it's perhaps a little bit surprising that they haven't seen the wisdom of paying his fees. you know, prosecutors love former girlfriends as witnesses. it's always the exgirlfriend who ends up telling a lot of good information to investigators. here cohen is playing that role in many ways. he's been left behind. he seems to have a lot of angst of being left behind by trump. and now as his relationship with
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prosecutors becomes cull have you evaluated he may share some of the information he has because the trump organization has pushed him away and almost into cooperation. >> one of the parties in court isde oit states, donald trump, represented by other lawyers. so they have the same or a similar objective to michael cohen, and so that's a situation where there's another set of wyers being paid by donald trump in that room. where there's more than one way for donald trump to be covering the costs of this. >> that's right. he can at least try to get some i still think that michael cohen must feel quite agrieved that his bills aren't being paid for. you woulink it wld be a normal sign. it seems another sign the trump folks are sending to h that he's on the outs. president tried to hire in this
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case, according to potico.josep legal adviser to trump said in aninterview wedneay that con's legal status remained a mystery to the president and others a him. i don't know what michael cohen is doing. i don't think anybody does, he said. joyce vance, what's your interpretation of that? >> that's an unusual statement. just even the fact they would make it is surprising. hen's status could be one of many things. this could all be a dance being done for the public and there could have been a cooperation agreement concluded a long time ago. we don't really know, joseph digenova doesn't know. but what his comments highlight is how interesting and important this is to the president and perhaps to members of his family. that seems to be their focus right now. i think really everyone is holding their brth waiting to see where cohen will land in this entire investigation. >> and, ryan, we have an
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occasion that michael cohen's name keeps coming up with robert mueller. and what is it that mller and his prosecutors might circle >> i think there are two big, big issues. the first is that cohen might have played a significant role, actuallyin the relationship between the russians and the trn there was collusion, there's pretty interesting signs of it, the steele dossier, which has been corroborated in different ways and as senator feinstein said it's never been disproving. cohen taking a lead role when manafort stepped off. and a report in buzz news that said they spoke to two fbi agents who said that cohen was in frequent contact with people trying to work the moscow deal that had knowledge of or were playing a role in the russian interference in the election. that puts him at the center of
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what the entire investigation is about, that's important. and also this other back channel plan with ukraine has russia's fingerprints on it. cohen speaks to "the wa day and says today that russia endorsed it, which is a self-incriminating move on his part. thht in the target set in, fo robert mur. >> joyce vance in your experience as a prosecutor, when you have someone likeichael cohen at this point in an investigation like this and you see a move of dropping lawyers, these very expensive lawyers, and it's notlear w he's to. usually when aefendant or a potential defendant or plaintiff changes lawyers, the replacement lawyers are right there ready to go. it's usually the announcemen made at the same time we're leaving this law firm and this is the one taking over. we don't know who's going to take over here. what does that say to the prosecutors?
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what are they thinking tonight as they watch the developments with michael cohen? >> we've seen this before in this investigation with both general flynnnd thenin wigates. we receive seen this flurry of activity surrounding a change in lawyers and then cooperation becoithin the next day or two. osecutors will likely want to see this moment if they're, in fact, interested in having cooperation from cohen, and it seems to me there are a lot of reasons that would make cohen a very attractive prospect for cooperation. all of the reasons ryan just identified and his ability to complete some of the pieces of the story they're trying to understand. so certainly they'll have some form of outreach to him as soon as the counsel >> ryan, what is their first approach? if it's up to the prosecutors to make an approach to michael cohen, to say would you like to talk, how do they frame that? >> i think they would maybe pass him a page like this one and
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then just list various laws that they have evidence of, and t there's a lot besides the mail fraud, bank fraud, there's po feder agents registration act, so like they got manafort and gates and flynn, there's an indication he was operating as an agent of a foreign power with the ukraine deal. there's so many ways he's exposed. they can show him that, he can think about the minimum penalties ll of this, and i think a rational person with a good lawyer or without one, would start cooperating. >> thank you both foroining us tonight. appreciate it. when we come back, mhael avenatti is here with his reaction to michael cohen's lawyers problems. we'll see if michael avenatti thinks michael cohen is don quixote. also, nbc's jacob silver was
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lawyers and rupert murdoch is trying to get president trump to change laers, or to at least get rid of rudy giuliani.
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are you pert murdoch obviously sees rudy giuliani as not helping to protect rupert murdoch's investment in the e h. so they ran a two-page spread of rudy giuliani's marital infid infidelity. it included surveillance pictures of rudy giuliani's alleged stress. but if he wants to protect his investment in the white house, he may have to consider paying for michael cohen's new lawyers because michael cohen clearly cannot afford to be paying hundreds of thousands a week to defend himself in a federal investigation in new york city and continue his civil case against storls to try to enforce the nondisclosure agreement that he wrote that was designed to prevent stormy daniels from telling her story about having sex with donald trump, a story which she told. but michael cohen, of course,
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forgot to get his client, donald trump to sign the agreem soy daniels' lawyer, michael avenatti, is fighting michael cohen in court in california. but tonight he's here, and michael avenatti joins our discussion now. yo did a calculation about how much this case is costing michael cohen in new york city that you put out today. you estimated it could be a half a million dollars a week? >> correct. gettover 1,500 an hour.them some of them -- a lowould be 700 an hour? >> correct. under new york rates. i think you're looking at 15 lawyers, about 50 hours a week, you do the math and it's on average a hybrid rate of 700, 750 an hour, before you factor in mr. ryan who's probably billing,200 an hour. the burn rate is significant. probably about a half million dollars a week. look, this is no different than
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many other criminal white collar prosecutions. you have a defendant who starts off like michael cohen, who talks about he's willing to take a bullet for his coconspirator. all of a sudden the burn rate sets in, and you're put on an island by your co-conspirators, liket's happening with donald trump. this is a man that demands a loyalty but provides none. we've seen that time again. in this case it's going to cost them, they put the guy on the not to mix metaphors, but when the music stops he's not going to be left with a chair. i said mr. cohen was very dangerous to the president, he was going to be indicted, he was
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going to flip on the president -- >> why wouldn't the president help him out financially with the legal fees? >> he's not smart, lawrence. why would the president of all the attorneys in the world, all the attorneys in the united guy like rudy giuliani, sident dazed and confused rudy, to go out on the airwaves and spew the sexist comments he has. this guy is a walking disaster. every day he speaks our case gets better. >> let's listen to emily jane fox in the last hour. as we know, emily jane fox has direct contact with michael cohen. she has the best source about michael cohen, it's michael cohen. let's listen to what she told ra about how michael cohen is feeling. >> the president has done nothing in order to make michael cohen feel like he has michael cohen's back. and that has been a problem. you forget the president went on fox news and basically said i
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barely know the guy, he's a coffee boy, he did a small percentage of my legal work. and rudy giuliani has gone on television repeatedly making this harder for michael cohen. and the reaction from michael cohen, from everything i know from my reporting, has been these guys don't have my back. now a man who is frustrated, isolated, feeling alone and feeling very, very angry at the trump family in general and at the president. >> angry at the family in general and the president. and he has information about the trump family and the president. >> and lawrence, i think what's going to happen, look, nothing lasts forever. i know people think things last forever, they don't. so what's going to happen is the narcissism of this president, his arrogance, his stupidity is going to catch up to him because he's not providing air cover for the guy who knows where all the bodies are buried.i've said thi.
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this is the guy that handled all the nonsense for the president for years. if there's one guy you provide air cover for, legal fees for, you bring in the tent and make him feel welcome, it's this guy. that's not w we've seen. we've seen the opposite. and the argue gans and narcissism is very dangerous. this guys know where the bodies are buried and he's going to sing like a canary because he has no choice but to save his family and the people he cares about and he has no money. >> let's listen to this powerful one word answer that emily jane fox gave to rachel which l all out. >> if mr. cohen based on the feelings or the other dynamics we've been talking about. if he does decide he's going to cooperate with prosecutors and tell them about his interactions
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with president trump over the years, is that a potential serious risk for the president in terms of the president's own legal liability? >> yes. >> that has to be the scariest moment that donald trump has had on tv this year. >> lawrence, i've been saying this for two, two and a half months. i predicted this. people say how could you predict this? how did you know? this isn't difficult if you have experience in this game and seen other cases. this case even though it involves large and important figures in other life is no different than other white collar prosecutions. what's astounding to me is we have're talk abo the president of the united states who told the american public he's going to surround himself with the best and brightest sebastian gorka -- and he's surrounded himself with morons. 's going to come back and bite him in a big way. >> part of emily jane's reporting is today michael cohen was engaged with his california
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lawyers who are fighting you and stor danie over that civil case. why doesn't michael cohen just drop that case? >> well, at this point, lawrence, because we put him in a box, he doesn't have ability to drop tha case. that ship sailed many, many weeks ago. it was a trap, a trip wire we laid and he fell right into it, as he's done time and time again in connection with these cases. you know, i have to tell you, people ask me lawrence over the last three or four months what has surprised you the most in connection with what has happened. the answer is very, very clear. that is the incompetence of these lawyers. the incompetence of michael cohen and the fact they keep falling into every trap that we lay. again, ultimately this is going to prove to bevery, very bigpro >> sounds by the way like donald trump has been listening to you. because maggie haberman of the "new york times" tweeted trump has been fuming in private
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blaming hi for the messy stormy daniels situation. also is fearful of making that public because of chances it further pushes cohen toward the southern district. so donald trump greece wiagrees. >> all the king's horses and and all the king's men couldn't put humty dumpty together again. this is not going to end well for the president, i've been saying, i'll say it again. when we come back, bob corkerays theepublican party has become the consult of president trump. and reporting from one of the facilities that is incarcerating children at the border, the facility that senator merkley was not allowed
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the united states senator has a constitutional right to visit and examine federal facilities because of congress's constitutional authority to oversee the conduct of th senatojeff merkley went to brownsville, texas to examine a facility used by the federal government to incarcerate children who have been separated from their parents. this happened. >> can i go in with you? >> no, sir. this is private property. >> i'm senator jeff merkley from
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congress my team contacted the facility and asked permission for me to come and see what's going on inside with these children. >> we don't anypermission. so i have to ask you to please step away, sir. >> that facility is a former walmart that was remodelled to incarcera incarcerate immigrant children. today jacob silver was the group first of reporters since senator merkley was asked to leave the premises. he joins us from outsidehat senator. and senator jeff merkley is also us jacob, tell us what you saw, and can you show us anything that you saw inside there? >> i think right around the same time we're coming on the air with you, we're getting some of the firsthand out photos from the department of human health ere not allowed to bring our cameras inside. that is because there are 1,500
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boys almost, between the ages of 10 to 17 years old, that are going to sleep in there at night. at 9:00 the lights go out. it's essentially a prison or jail without cages or cells for these young boys. the majority of them who arrived in america as unaccompanied minors, crossed on their own. but an increasing number as you know are separated from their parents because of the trump administration zero tolerance policy. it's hard to wrap your head around but you go inside and there are hundrs of kids at a time in line for chow, doing activities. but they're all there because they were picked the border patrol and locked up. and they're not going to be able to get out of there for the next couple months. at least that's the average stay. >> have you seen any of the images or video we're showing right now from the facility.
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them.did catch a glimpse of one of the most striking ones is there's a lot ofrican history all over this place. the kids go to school for six hours a day, they want to teach the kids about america. but there's a mural of anybody they could pick, donald trump when you go in there, it says you don't always win the battle but you win the war. it's a striking thing to think about. an increasing number of these kids are being ripped apart from their parents, brought to a facility like this, sleeping in a former walmart because of a donald trump policy. and there's donald trump up on the wall for them to see every single day. >> was your access restricted or were you allowed to look at anything you wanted to? >> we could. in terms of restrictions, they asked us actually not to speak with the children but i was able to kind of exchange hellos with many of them. i asked them how are they doing?
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most of them said they're doing okay. i want to emphasize, this is licensed facility with child service professionals. and i think that they're do for all intents and purposes, a relatively good job of taking care of these kids. there's a large medical staff on duty at all times, there's teachers. it is one to eightn terms of staff to detained children. but the big t, and i'm interested to hear what the senator has toay about this, that was flagged to me by the operators of the facility, which was opened before this migrant policy change by the trump ministration to zero tolerance is now it's going to be overflowing because kids are being ripped away from their parents and put in cities like this. they're going to be put into tent cities. what they're telling me is those facilities don't have to be licensed. they don't have to have practitioners that are
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professionals in their field because they're essentially emergency setups. that wasn't anything i heard before and i imagine have very big consequences when you have hundreds and thousands of undocumented children as young as infants not being taken care of necessarily by professionals. >> senator merkley your reaction to what jacob has been reporting? >> yes. . were you able to determine whether kids taken away from their parents are able to have regular contact wh their parents? >> what i was told, senator, it's up to the penal institution that the parents are placed into. now the administration is trying to charge these immigrants that come into the country as illegally as criminals. often time it means it's up to a federal prison whether they can make phone calls to their children inside. they said most of the children are able to make contact once they're separated but at the end of the day that's something scheduled by the prison that the parent is placed into.
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>> i heard from folks who work with the refugees that it's extremely difficult for the kids to reach the parts or the parents to reach it will kids and that previously this facility was used as a temporary spot from which kids were placed in smaller more appropriate mes, foster homes around the country but now because those homes have been flooded, they're filled up, they're having to really turn this in to the place where kids stay for a long period of time. is that your sense of it? >> yes. senator, it's not that there are no available beds. there are negative bed space when it comes to the allotted capacity for this facility. they had a variance issued in many may to allow additional beds inside the facility itself. we walked around in these itory style rooms that are supposed to have four beds each, they have five beds each. they cannot handle any more people and now a challenge is the administration may be
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turning over the matrix, biological data of people that want to pick up these kids as sponsors. now that that data has been turned over, it was worried that they may not come pick up as sponsors the kids inside. if they don't go from here with a sponsor, where do they go? >> we heard from child specialists that the trauma is enormous for kids to be separated from their parents. do you have any sense from the specialists who were there on site that they're seeing this tr geared up the appropriate type of counselors to provide assistance? >> one of the really fascinating things that came up when we were inside is the office of refugee resettlement becomes the guardian of these ildren. some of them are actually prescribed medication for psychological issues once they're inside here. normally that would be the decision of a parent. but because the parents are not with these children.
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some who have arrived on their own, now an increasing numbe that are separated from their parent, it's up to a government agency to decide what prescriptions these kids are get and m to rely on that in types of situations. >> jacobas bee allowed to see one facility, it's the biggest, but it's one facility among many around the country being used this way. we have no idea of how thels are being treated if in their separate facilities. we have no idea how the children of younger ages, below 10 years old are being treated, we have no reports on that. what can you do as a senator to get into these places to see how these children are being treated? >> the first thing is to highlight the problem. i thank you for focussing attention on it tonight. i think it's because of the protest that i staged a week ago that reporrs are now being let in. it needs to be possible for members of congress to go in
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with just a day's notice to see how they're actually operating. not cleaned up, spruced, the show put on when you have to get permission a week or so in advance. we're working on a bill that to keep the families together. these are families applying for asyl asylum. and we have a new message for them. if you are being persecuted and watch up on the shores of america we no longer greet you with the statue of liberty. instead we greet you with a pair of handcuffs, lock you up and take your kids away, even though we know this injuries the kids. this is completely amoral, evil destructive policy has to be ended. >> i have no doubt we would not be getting this report tonight, if you had not gone there first and staged that protest, senator. the only united states senator to do that.
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minded sheep, members of a cult with no room for their egos with their daily devotions to the consult. >> we're in a strange plac it's almost, you know, been a -- it's becoming a cultish thing isn't it. it's not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation as it relates to -- to -- to a president that happens to be of -- reportedly of the same party. >> that's republican senator bob corker who cannot believe his fellow republican senators are relieved their constitutional authority tariffs to the t of the united states. most president of the united states have not had authority to raise tariffs in any way, it wasn't until the 20th century that congress started handing over tiny pieces of tariff
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authority to the president. at the height of the cold war with the soviet union in 1962, congress decided to give the president the oppoy to raise tariffs for national securityational security was the most important thing to everyone in congress. and in that, washington made some big mies over that, like the vietnam war. and in 1962, congress never anticipated that we would have a president to abuse the president for tariffs for national security. congress never dreamed that a president would impose tarif om-canada for national security. if you asked me what they would do before that happened, i would have told you that the chairmen with jurisdiction over emergency tariffs would have introduced an emergency bill to remove or limit the president's power to
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impose those powers for national security. and one of the reasons they would have done it is that in the pre-trump era committee chairmen had very big egos and they did not allow anyone to tamper with their jurisdiction, including the president of the united states. buthose eggos are gone. because the committee chairmen are now all republicans. the committees are all run by republicans. which republican senator bob corker now calls a cult-like siion. it may be that republican senator bob corker is speaking out against this only because he is not running for reelection. republican senator jef flake is no running for reelection either. >> this institution, the article 1 branch of our government is not an accessory to the executive branch. and we demean ourselves and our proper constitutional role when
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we act like we work for the president. that we are only here to do his bidding. especially now. >> how did it happen? our next guest, jasonnson is a ph.d. in political science. we'll see if political science can explain the collapse into a consult-like situation. [stomach gurgles] ♪whenou have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea... girl, pepto ultra coating will treat your stomach right. nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea.♪ try new pepto
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republicans used to vehemently object to the idea of the president of the united states shaking hands with the
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north korean dictator, but then when the trump cult took over washington, everything changed. >> barack obama had said that he would meet with some of these mad without any prec >> obama is bowing and scraping before dictators. >> you know, i'm going to reach out to these crazy people around the world. >> one of the thing is fear the most is barack obama catering to the world dictators is literally the neville chamberlain of our time. >> president trump proves the experts wrong again. >> the president of the united states had agreed to sit down face to face with kim jong-un, the dictator of north korea. >> i gave the president of the united states a standing ovation. it's breathtaking, audacio audacious, it's bold. it will be historic. >> the commander-in-chief's leadership is now leading to a major foreign policy break through as it relates to north korea. >> joining our discussion now,
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the and msnbc contributor. jason, how did it happen? bob corker complaining about his republican senate colleagues as a cult at this point. >> you know, the republican branding to cult 45 has been going for a couple of years now, this idea that you can get elected, that you can be in power, that you can push through policy, not because of some long existing principle, but because personality that people like. and the republican party has been pushing for this for years, right? this goes back to reagan. there was a cult we were talking about all the way up to romney. a couple of years ago there was a bid for some of reagan's blood. that was as cult like as you can get. people worshipped reagan. what's happening with trump is that there's no policy associated with it. it's just who people think trump is and the republican party is
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going to follow him down this path and it ends up like most cults end up, which is death and destruction to everybody involved. >> the fascinating point that brought out bob corker is this presidential use of tariffs which is limited toational security. this is clearly aon of the intent of the law written by congress. it will be found to be a violation of international trading rules in the world trade organization. america wins its cases in the world trade organization. this time it's going to lose. under trump it'sally going to lose. and bob corker is stunned that his colleagues in the congress have surrendered their uh poer over the president over this. and i have to say this is the thing during the trump campaign that i never anticipated, that republicans in congress would not use their powers in relation to the white house. >> yeah. the become completely sumply cant. the different branches of government is built in, based into the cake.
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congress doesn't want to have complete fialty to the president. and the rival situation we have in our branches of government is how we have stop gaps is we keep control. and this congress under mitch mcconnell and under paul ryan have decided that we don't care. we're going to give up any of our responsen'ts. we're not going to do any oversight. we're going to pass sanction against russia and donald trump is going to say i don't feel like it. we're going to allow this president to make proclamations and policies and we're not going to stop him. what frustrates me about this is jeff flake says things, it's great that bob corker says things. they tier not doing anything about it. they're saying man, i wish somebody would do something about this. they should be spending every waking moment of their remaining months in congress saying i will not vote for this person, i will not allow this person to be approved. i will stop everything that can occur in this congress to get these amendments past. that's why a lot of these virtue
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signaling by these republicans doesn't impress me. appreciate it.on, really tonight's "last word" is next. we came with big appetites. with expedia, you could book a flight, hotel, car, and activity all in one place. ♪ touch shows how we really feel. but does psoriasis ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% clear skin with taltz. up to 90% of those with moderate ever significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. most people were still clearer after one year. with taltz, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. don't use if you're allergic to taltz. before starting, you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase risk of infections
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. [ ing news report from "the new york times" on the michael cohen legal fee dispute apparently involving michael cohen and the trump family. "the new york times" is reporting the trump family has been paying for the time-consuming andnormously expensive process of reviewing the voluminous materials seized in the raids on mr. cohen. according to impeachment familiar with the case. recently, however, a dispute has erupted over the amount that mr. cohen's lawyers want to charge the trump family enterprises for the review, which the lawyers have said they are running with a large team of associates and data specialists. the disagreement could serve to further isolate mr. cohen from mr. trump. a risky move for the president.
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that is tonight's "last word." brian will have more oth in the "11th hour" with brian williams, which stts now. tonight, the man referred to as donald trump's fixer, michael cohen, about to change legal teams leading to speculation he's close to cooperating with the feds to save his family. plus, news tonight from "the washington post." robert mueller still asking witnesse about cohen as recently as five days ago reportedly. and tonight, what it all means for the president, his west wing, and his legal team as he returns from the summit as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday night. this was day 510 of the trump administration. there is new pressure on the president's long-time personal attorney and so-called fixer, michael coh


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