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tonight, on "all >> tonight on "all in." >> i'll do anything to protect mr. trump. >> the president's lawyer at a legal crossroads. >> michael cohen is a very talented lure. >> could michael cohen's sudden break with his own attorneys be a prelude to a flip or a pardon. >> are you considering a pardon for michael cohen. >> thank you very much. >> let's go. >> stupid question. >> then. >> il say proudly that the republican party is the trump party. >> the trump takeover of the republican party. >> it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it. bringi with him. >> i'm proud to be here with this flag. >> and nbc news gets inside the detention facility that locked out senator merkley. >> can i go in with you, please. >> i'll talk to the leader of the house freedom caucus about the trump child separation policy when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the president's long time lawyer and consigliere is losing his
own personal legal team and that could be really bad news for the president. mike willing con who was raided two months ago by federal investigators in manhattan is about to part ways with his own attorneys according to multiple reports and expected to hire new counsel to represent him the ongoing probe. this comes ahead of a june 15th deadline this friday two days from now to review all the materials seized in those raids, 3.7 million files including shredded documents the fbi agents had to piece back together. the legal scrutiny on cohen unnerved his former boss who lashed out over e raid memorably during an unrelated national security meeting. >> so i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man, and it's a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. it's an attack on what we all stand for. that is really now in a whole
new level of unfairness. >> there are conflicting reports now why cohen is splitting with his legal team and what it means for his case. cohen's lawyers are the ones choosing to quit the case according to "wall street journal." abc reporting a fee dispute is among which is interesting. "the new york times" citing payment of legal bills to stephen ryan. this development increases the odds that cohen will cooperate with investigators and potentially give evidence against his old boss who happens to be the president of the united states. but i should say it's not clear yet that's the case. a person close to cohen gabe sherman cohen hasn't flipped yet "he's sending up a smoke signal to trump i need help." cohen has not even spoke within prosecutors to discuss what he could offer them. based on the information already already public without access to the 3.7 million files, he may have an interesting story to tell. he served as the president's bag.
>> man. >> he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal. he represented me and you know, from what i see he did absolutely nothing wrong. >> we know that cohen used the same slush fund he set up to pay off stormy daniels to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporations seeking access to the trump administration and we know he may have key information related to the russia probe. one of the companies that paid cohen is linked to victorer vekselberg who reportedly met with cen during the transition and during the inauguration. before he was he was pursuing efforts to build a trump tower in moscow throughout the campaign in 2016 and identified by name in the steele dossier as an intermediary from trump world to kremlin agents. christina, what do we make of
today's news. >> this is a new phase in the cohen investigation. it's important to say no charges have been filed. we don't -- we still don't know what charges would be brought against cohen. but anytime someone under investigation switches, changes lawyers, they, the investigatio. and that's what we're looking at. >> josh, what are you hearing fromhe folks that you're talking to in cohen's circle or that know him? >> well, i understand that this has been expected for some time. maybe it's been in the works for about a month or so. what i'm told by sources that are familiar with his thinking is that there was never really an expectation that he would go into a serious criminal justice process with the legal counsel
he has right now. the people he had on his team were basically brought on to deal with the congressional investigations and document production and not really to hash out either a plea deal or to go to trial on some kind of a criminal charge which i think likal cohen had no idea he would possibly face when this process starred. so i think what we're seeing here is some movement in that direction which could lead to a plea deal and maybe flipping on the president and could be part of the normal process leading to some criminal charges. >> just to clarify, these attorneys are retained by n before he finds himself ed by the fbi? >> that. they were involved in sending those documents up to capitol hill that were being demanded by various committees investigating the russia trump affair. >> we should say that, what did you want to say, christine? >> one big unknown right now in the cohen investigation is what his long-time business partner the so-called taxi king of new
york told prosecutors. he struck a deal i believe may 22nd to have tax fraud charges reduced significantly. he did a lot of business with cohen over many years and so i think that's really a wild right now into what cohen could be looking at when he makes the tough decision perhaps about entering into a criminal situation or a plea deal. >> josh, one of the things, one of the questions i think here is is cohen facing exposure or interest from investigators for things unrelated to russia or related to russia. i want to read youhis. fbi agents investigating russia's interference learned cohen was in frequent knowledge with moscow. it would put him that sort of bit of reporting would put him more squarely in the kind of portfolio of mueller than maybe we had initially thought based on those raids.
>> yeah, i think there's definitely interest in having cohen answer more questions about his dealings with russia ng the campaign. there's no question if he cut a deal with prosecutors that mueller's team would want to debrief him on a variety of different subjects. we should remember mueller's prosecutors laid this case off essentially referred these issues up to new york for prosecutors in the southern district to take over and so it's fair to assume that the thrust of what's being investigated at the moment remains these sorts of fraud issues, maybe the mpaign finance issue involving stormy daniels and the russia issue is maybe lurks in the background. >> kristinna, do we have a sense of the timeline here >> we've numerous reports today that the cohen -- that cohen could be indicted or even people were tossing around the word arrested in the next week. that seems to me premature as we understand that he was interviewing other potential lawyers today. as many as three different
firms. so once -- hopefully in the next week he'll decide on his council. i think that's the next step we're looking at. >> josh, do you know if there's a financial problem here for cohen in terms of paying for these legal bills which have to mountg up very quickly? >> i've heard from people close to the case there is concern about the financial cost. rming over the l task they've few weeks involved maybe dozens of lawyers involved in going through all the millions and millions of pages of doc mailsages and voice gs that you mentioned as part of this search warr relateded process. that's a lot of legal hours being billed at a pretty significant law firm. must have run up a really large tab for mr. cohen. is that a tab that the trump organization or president trump himself is helping pay or is mr. cohen on the hook for that whole bill. >> josh gerstein and christina wilky, thank you both. >> i'm joined byal analyst
nick akerman and jill wine-banks. nick, i'll start with you. it's worth noting that rick gates who in a similarly kind of torturous situation in which he was -- there was interest from investigators and then was he or was he not going to cooperate. he hired new lawyers right before he pled guilty. >> right, but that doe necessarily mean that because cohen is getting new lcooperati. you have to look what's been going on the last month or so. he has been cooperating with trump's lawyers to go through all of those documents and all of those tapes that were seized in the search warrants. they're getting prediscovery, discovery that they normally wouldn't get. exactly what people saw trump trying to get with respect to that the informant at that point in time spoke to carter page, spoke to other members of his campaign staff. what they're tryin is what's in those documents
>> what do they have. >> what liability lies out there for donald trump. skoen cooperating with that. you've got donald trump who has the privilege, the privilege belongs to him. it belongs to sean hannity who hosteling people on national tv at they should destroy their evidence if they're going in to see mueller. so when you put all of that together, you've got cohen currently and over the past number of weeks cooperating with the trump people to trd understand what is there. and so the fact the's going to new lawyers, there's lots of reasons why people go to new lawyers. to give you an example again it's speculation. assume that he told meese lawyers the truth about what happened. but now he intends to go and lie. and lie under oath. those lawyers can't represent them, represent him if they know going to lie. so he has to get a new lawyer. >> it also strikes me that jill, there's it could be a financial,
it could be as simple as the fact he can't afford these people anymore. he doesn't strike me as someone particularly liquid. having worked in prosecution, how do you bring in someone like this? what's the process by which one works over someone you're trying to get to cooperate? >> let me expand on something nick just said because i think one of the things that's going on in my mind is that cohen may be being penny wise and pound foolish because the lawyers he currently has know all those documents. they have spent and they will be paid for all the time they put in understanding all the legal liabilities that he has and if he gets new lawyers, they're going to having to review all of those documents from scratch. so he's doubling his legal fees. so it's t such a good idea toe have let them go. and in terms of what it means for a potential future prosecution, it's simply that the government will now get all
of those documents. remember the special master barbara jones has found less than 1%. >> right. >> all the documents seized, less than 1%. he's not a lawyer. he wasn't acting as a lawyer. so nothing is really protected by attorneient privilege. now the government is going to get all those. and they will be able to determine how many crimes and of what nature those crimes are. and some of them may be passed back to mueller because they relate directly to his travel to prague, for example, which mcclatchy reports they have evidence that supports what was in the dossier. e artax charges thate whether he could be brought in addition to federal charges in new york, southern district or in the distri of columbiay mueller. >> what do you think the process rom the mueller team in terms of what their strategy is within?
>> i think the strategy is pretty straightforward. they want to see him the advice squeezed. >> they're squeezing him. >> big-time. they want him to be indicted for as many different crimes as he can just as jill said. if he's indicted in the state, g it takes away the rdon power because trump can't pardon anybody who has got state crimes. there are plenty of ate crimes here, money laundering, tax evasion. if he was involved with respect to the break in with the e-mails into the democratic narnl committee, there are new york computer crime laws. he could be tied up all different ways and they're certainly going to be looking for very side effect evidence tying him into the russian probe. >> yeah, we should say that ukrainian politics who gave testimony who was given a -- a peacel to michael cohen and gave to flynn that would drop sanctions on russia which is slightly suspect, says
the muellerer grand jury questions focused on mueller, jill. ths recent evidence this piece just published a little while ago that mueller is looking at cohen for his role in that nex us. >> absolutely. and it'she being done just to squeeze him because he might have i evidence, well not might. hehas evence about donald trump. but it's being done because he committed crimes. and he should be investigated. heuld be indicted. he should be tried. if those are the facts that turn out to be true. so it's people are saying he's just doing this, mueller is doing this and having the southern district do it so that they can squeeze him to testify against donald trump. and i would say that when you find crimes, they need to be investigated and you need to try the people who commit them. >> i should clarify. in this case, probable cause. the probable cause enough to reach the bar to be signed off at by d.o.j., rosen tine and the federal magistrate to raid a lawyer to the president of the
united states which you got to think is something. nick, jill, great to have you both. >> thank you. next the president wrongly tells the world the nuclear threat from north korea is over. and calls the journalist w's fact cheim enemies of the state. donald trump's attack on the free press after befriending the world's worse er two minutes.
what surprised you today about kim jong-un? >> really, he's got personality. he's a funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. he loves his people, no the that i'sed by that, but he loves his people. i think that we have you know, the start of amazing deal. >> he staved them, been brutal to them. he still loves his people? >> look, he's doing what he's seen done. if you i have to go by today and by yesterday and by a couple of weeks ago. that's really when this whole thing started. >> donald trump looked back weeks nooks kim jong-un's record
and decides he likes the cut of his jib. trump has praised kim before and has a well established affinity for strong men and human rights abusers around the globe. after spending quality time with another despot this morning, the president returned to america sounding more and more like one himself. today he declared there is no locker a nuclear threat from the north korea and the true enemy is anyone who would tell you otherwise, namely the institutions which keep the american people involved. our country's biggest enemy is the fake news so easily promulgated by fools. ted lieu joins me now. your response to the president's comments about the folks that are trying to keep americans informed. >> well, today's wednesday. that means the president is lying again. clearly there's still a nuclear threat from north korea and the parallels to watergate are striking. the last president that constantly attacked the free press was richard nixon.
the press is pointing out the facts what happened at the summit in north korea which is that not very much. so we'll have to wait awhile to see if it was a success or a total failure. >> the phrase enemy of the people, what does that conjure for you? >> it conjures richard nixon and watergate. that is the phrase that richard nixon also used. but it's very alarming for the president of the united states to attack the first amendment and a free press in this manner. unfortunately, when you watch fox primetime news, it looks like it's turned into state tv. thank to you msnbc and other networks for not doing that. >> there's another interview without today largely a friendly interv which the president sort of says about kim jong-un, you got to hand it to the guy. he got the job when he was so young. it's hard to be that young. and the interviewer says well, he killed lots of people. he said lots of countries do lots of things. he has spent the last two the days seeslessly sharing the
persony trait traits and the warts of kim jong-un. bizarre. the leader of north korea kill aid relative with poison. he shot another with an anti-aircraft gun. he has labor camps. if someone does something wrong, they can take three generations of their family and put them into labor camps. at the same time with the president now attacking canada of all places. what donald trump is doing is make no sense. i'm alarmed more republicans are not speaking up. >> there's this report which i thought was interesting. a trump appointee is looking at the loyalty of federal employees, civil servants, senior advisers appointed just two months has been quietly vetting career diplomats, parts of civil service and american employees of international institutions to determine whether they are loyal to president donald trump and his political agenda. is that appropriate?
>> not only is it not appropriate. that strikes me as it could be illegal because federal employees only take one oath and that's an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. it's gotten so bad with the trump administration that on the house judiciary committee, i now will ask witnesses that appear sometimes if they've taken a loyalty oath to this president. that should never be a question that any elected official needs to ask because everyone needs to understand they did not take an oath to a administration or a party or a particular person. it's all an oath to the constitution. >> i'm confused. do you ask that because people have take and explicit loyalty oath to the president. >> the public reporting is some officials have taken loyalty oaths to president trump or at least he's demanded from them. >> all right. i would love to see -- i wonder who wrote the oath. do you think ultimate lit that the president -- that the president's performance in north
korea is going to endure in terms of how he thinks about what happened there and has people on capitol hill think about it. >> i previously served active duty under u.s. pacific command. it's clear to me the u.s. has no good military options. i supported e summit and diplomacy. honestly, it's way too early to tell if north korea is going to denuclearize or do the same thing they did with the previous administrations and break all their promises. we do know as of today, north korea has not gotten rid of a ngle nuke, missile or any of their chemical or biological weapons. have no idea how the president people that north korea is no longer a nuclear threat. >> i don't know how the story can end without kim playing around at mar-a-lago. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> primary voters rejecting candidates that crossed donald trump. they would rather nominate anyone else like say someone that owns and runs a brothel. that story and donald trump's maybe subtle takeover of the
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last night brought another round of primaries and the overarching lesson for republicans from yesterday's primaries was this. you can do just about anything and still win so long as you don't dare utter a negative word about donald trump. consider the man who won a nevada state assembly nomination dennis hof, author of the book titled "the art of the pimp." they were the subject of the adult reality sears called "cat house." he took home a republican victory last night claiming it was because donald trump was the christopher columbus for me pep found the way and i jumped on it. in virginia despite best efforts of gop leaders, republicans
chose as their senate nominee cory stewan who defended monuments to the confederacy and wrapped himself in the confederate flag. >> i'm proud to be next to the confederate flag. that flagging is not about racism, folks. it's not about hatred. it's not about slavery. it is about our heritage. >> yes. >> heritage of treason and slavery. cory stewart's heritage by the way is from minnesota. where they didn't have the confederate flag or if they did, as as a thing they'rys were fighting. he's made a habit of palling around with some of the worst people in america. on the day trump was inaugurated he described pul me t knee land as one of his herosen an appeared with the guy who organized the rally in
charlottesville that ended up killing a woman. he disavowed them. on the other side is mark sanford who managed to win a house seat five years ago after overcopping scandal involving had is affair with an argentine woman by falsely claiming to have been hiking the appalachian trail. he left as governor. i guess he never resigned. what he could not overcome was his criticism of the president. he lost his primary yesterday to a relative unknown who made sanford's anti-trump comments the centerpiece of her campaig there is now no daylight between trump and the party he leads according to the rnc. >> there was a shi presiden say proly that the republican party is the trump party. >> for more on donald trump's takeover of the republican party, contributor jennifer ruben, conservative columnist "washington post," and the manager of the conservative website the blaze.
sanford is someone who ideologically is very conservative, extremely conservative, tea party guy once talked about as a presidential nominee before the affair fall from grace. he basically said some moderately truthful things about how he felt about the president. that's it.>> one of his grave os asking for the president to release his tax returns. it the horror of it. you know? this is the problem. and this is why you see in the words of people like bob corker that you have a cult-like party at this point. they follow trump wherever he meanders because he's incoherent and inconsistent. there's incoherent and inconsistent. the problem comes when you hit the general eltion. are these people now so tightly wrap around donald trump and his tax plan and his effort to take away protections for pre-existing medical coverage, are those people electable in a general election?
in some places they will be. it may be in southina you can get away with that kind of stuff. but not in a lot of places. there are going to be a lot of competite seats where all that trump hugging comes back to haunt these people. >> i thought the two responses toart's win, a lot of people feel he is not a strong candidate. cory gardner who runs the senatorial campaign says it's not on our map. you've got former lieutenant governor of virginia, bill wling republican i'm extremely disan opinioned cory stewart could win the nomination for u.s. senate. every time i think things can't get worse, they do. here's the president of the united states congratulations to cory stewart for his great victory for senator from v virginia. he runs against a total stiff tim kaine. don't underestimate cory, a major chance of winning. that sums it all up, doesn't it? >> cory stewart is probably to lose by double digits ina.
i won't be sad about that result. i would point out, just to throw a little bit of nuance. we did have barbara comstock won in virginia against a guy and trump was kind of loyalty was the focal point of that race. comstock an us could of being insufficiently loyal to trump. dewine did win in ohio recently, the less loyal to trump and martha mccolely will probably win over two people much more trump. it's a little less monolithic. >> to the point about barbara comstock, she only got 60% of the vote against this guy who is a extreme trumper. so she is a prime target and she has pry tried to walk this tight rope and doesn't want to offend trump voters too much but on the other hand, she is one of the top targeted seats in the country. ld also say to lyon's
point, it's good to introduce that and definitely the case that not every race has been a referendum how loyal you are to trumhas broken the president's way. all you have to do to instill in politicians is win a few of those. that's the point. it's hard to challenge incumbents anyway. what you are seeing is enough of a pattern wouldn't you say, leon, that everyone who understands where the political incentives are undds there's no upside in going against the president. >> and to that point, i don't think that is all nah that unusual. you think of george h.w. bush in his first term raised taxes appointed a liberal justice to the supreme court. i did research on this. i couldn't find a single elected official who endorses buchanan in 1992 even though a large part of the voting base was opposed to that. it's unusual to find officials going publicly against their president. trump is so far outside of presidential norms you would maybe like to see that more. i don't think it's unusual to not see it more.
>> that's an interesting example. the point is buchanan, it is his party now. and in some ways buchanan understood the base better than george h.w. bush did or understood the future of the republican party. right now it is buchanan's party. here's steve king tweeting, europe is waking up. will america in time? and that is a link to british neo-nazi mark -- he is admirer of hitler self-avowe that is a u.s. congressman tweeting out nazi propaganda. >> it is mazing. due cannon's problem is he was too early. he saw the wave rising but he was a decade org two early. the problem is that there isn't a republican party that bill bowling and jennifer ruben can look at and say those are decent people with good policy ideas. it is the party of trump. i think suspecting or hope org wishing that it were different is simple r not realistic.
>> i want to make clear that the calculation, to stick with trump is the correct one politically. from a diagnostic perspective, that is correct in the short term. in the long-term, it may all end in tears. we'll see. >> thank you both for being with me. >> thank you. still ahead a report on what life is like inside a detention facility pa holding over 1,000 immigrant children. plus scott pruitt's residency continues in thing 1, thing 2 next. ahh... summer is coming. and it's time to get outside. pack in even more adventure ahh..with audible.oming. with the largest selection of audiobooks. audible lets you follow plot twists o beaten track. or discover magic when you hit the open road. with the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. and for just $14.95 a month you get edit, good for any audiobook. if you don't like it exchange it any time. no questions asked. you can also roll your credits to the next month
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it's hard to remember a time when anyone has ever seen a major government official as brazenly unethical as scott pruitt. he's a sight to behold. there he is still employed. today another edition to his list of can dales. last week we learned he enlisted one of his epa employees to set up a meeting with the ceo of chick-fil-a to try to land a sweet franchise for his wife. mm, chicken. >> look, my wife is an entrepreneur herself. i love, she loves, we love, chick-fil-a is a franchise of faith and it's one of the best in the country. so that's something we were very excited about. >> the gig didn't pan out likely because the lawyers at chick-fil-a were like there's no way you can give this gig to his wife. today we learned from "the wash post" that pruitt ke the job search going. this time with republican
donors.n he enlisted a governme paid aide, an employee of the federal government and eventually through some of those wealthy support ares mrs. pruitt got herself a job starting with a group called the judicial crisis network like the previous dozen pruitt scandals that would normal result in investigations or indictment ofs but pruitt is safe as long as nothing republican cares. opments on that are thing 2 in 60 seconds. , finr perfect hotel at the lowest e... is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites... to show you the lowest prices... so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit tripadvisor.com the first survivor of ais out there.sease
and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight. but we won't get there without you. the list of scott pruitt's scandals keeps growing and today maybe some on the right have had enough. ght wing radio and tv shst laura ingraham ham wrote hurting po pruitt's friend jim inhofe who brought a snowball on the senate floor to prove global warning isn't real is having some doubts. >> i'm afraid my good friend scott pruitt has done some things that surprise me. and i'm the one who say this because frankly, he's a good friend of mine.
i see these things. they upset me as much as they upset you. i think something needs to happen to change this. one of those alternatives would be for him to leave that job. >> maybe the worst sign for pruitt comes from his own epa spokesman who is no longer even trying to defend the straighter g all questi pruitt's outside counsel. i just hope pruitt had the good sense not to hire michael cohen. vo: gopi's found a way to keep her receipts tidy, even when nothing else is.
i'm guessing that's about what's to happen. >> i think that's what they're doing. what is your name again. >> senator jeff merkley, u.s. senator jeff merkley. i've now been asked to leave the property. so i'll comply with that.>> two jeff americacally tried to get a tour of a detention center at an abandoned walmart that houses children. he was not allowed inside. no one would grant him an was asked, jacob sober rof ce finally did get a tour. jacob, you were with a few other journalists let into the facility. what did you see? >> you know, chris, i have been inside federal a federal prison before, i've been inside several county jails. this place is called a shelter effectively these kids are incourse rated. there are over 1400 of them that are spending not weeks, months t they're not actually literally
in canes in or in cells but i kid you not, one of the first things an employee said to me is when we walked inside, can you try to smile at these kids because it's weird to see people from the outside. they feel like animals locked up in cages being looked at. it was an extraordinary thing to see. >> talk me through what's it look like. it's a walmart that's been refashioned. is it open air rooms with beds like. >> it is. these kids are free to move around. there are four -- it's beak a dormitory structure. it's not nice by the standards of a place to be incarcerated. fresh paint everywhere. a car kio go to, about 300 at a time. there are four beds per room. but right now there are five. they i have an variance from the state of texas since may because of this overcrowding crisis that's been created. manufactured basically.
it's a self-inflicted crisis our eague julia was saying earlier today because the trump administration is taking children from their parents making them unaccompanied minors. this place used to be just for kids that would walk across the border for the most part 100% on their own. now you're get mor up to 30% as of right now according to one official inside that have been separated from their parents over the last couple months. they have recrea allowed outside where we are in the fresh air for two hours a day and the 22 hours a day, they're inside a former walmart. >> you have 1400 kids in there and maybe 70%, unaccompanied minors is something that started and the government struggled to figure out what to do with them. a 15, 16-year-old walking acro the border. kids taken from their parents who tend to be younger. do we have a sense of the age range of the kids in there. >> they're all boys and from age 10 to 17.
the thing that strikes me as a parent of a 2 nafls-year-old boy, what about from zero to 10. this is one of a hundred facilities like this across 17 states. this is the largest faty of its kind in the country.but the. 're only talking about 10 to 17-year-old boys in here. >> i got one boy. two girls. you got a 2 1/2-year-old boy. you gottish 14 00 buys aged 10 to 17. the ideal ratio would be 2800 adults to look after 1400 becomes how many adults are watching after that many boys? >> oneeight is the ratio. there is one staff member for every incarcerated shelter resident is what they call them. and it's organized chaos in there. it's it's hectic but it is organized. and like i said, 300 kids at a
time are going to the chow. it's like looking at a prison or a jail. they're all led to chow. there was a group of kids doing again, i kid you not, tai-chi or recreation or a group of boys sitting in the former loading dock of the walmart in a theater watching the disney movie "moana." they go toix hours and learn about american history. one of the most striking things i saw is this place has a lot of american history all over the place, inspirational quotes from former presidents. the first one that you see when you walk in is donald trump. >> there's a mural of donald trump. >> it's a mural of donald trump with a quote from donald trump. i'm paraphrasing talking about if you don't win the battle, there's a way to win the war. strange does not do it justice. what it's like in there. it's let me ask you this. let me ask you this. this is a nonprofit that has been contracted with the federal government to run this facility.
what is the level of training of these grown-ups who, you know, watching eight boys per grown-up for 22 hours a day, that's very serious work that requires very serious training. >> yeah. and i want to be really clear. i think that there is very serious work and very serious training that goes on. these are accredited, licensed professionals, not just by the state of texas. this is a licensed f and it brings up the much larger question. you ha a licensed teachers, clinicians, three on-call doctors around this facility at any time, a 48-person medical staff that's inside here. but what's being talked about with the administration is moving or bringing children away from facilities like this, licensed facilities and on to tent cities on federal property. and what i was told tonight is that those tent cities that are being looked at here in texas and throughout the state of california are unlicensed
facilities. it won't require necessarily on federal property because it's an emergency situation, the level of training, the types of professional. >> wow, they are taking care of the kids that are in this facility tonight. when they go lights out at 9:00 p.m. >> so final question. doed minors are one thing. but the ones who travelled with a parent or guardian or grandparent and were taken away from them, are there regular contacts they get to have with that person? >> they wouldn't say regular, but they said it's basically up to the penal institution where they are. because, again, these kids, before this policy was announced, most of these would end up in i.c.e. family detention with their families, whatever you want to think about it, they were together with their families. >> right. >> now they're being separated from their parents. they're being taken to the federal courthouse here in south texas. their parents are being reed to the u.s. marshall's custody and they go to federal prison.
so if the federal prison or the department of refugee resettlement in hhs says that that parent can call the child, the parent is allowed to call the child. but it's up to the penal institution. it happens, but it's not hoang a regular basis. >> well, jacob, this is fantastic reporting. thank you for giving us a glimpse inside. i really appreciate it. chr thanks staying on this, man. as the trump administration continues separating children from their families at the border, speaker paul ryan are allowing two bills to come to a vote. one a compromised bill that is still being hammered out, but is expected to include a provision to end family protection as well as offer protection for dreamers. and one hard line bill that plans to clamp down more forcefully on illegal immigration. the chairman of the freedom caucus and democrat gone garamendi of californi congressman garamendi, let me start with you on the compromise >> sure.
>> you would be excused for thinking the whole thing's a sucker's bet given there is nothing actually concrete yet. y arople who thi sucker's bet wrong? >> well, we're hopeful. we know there is a problem. >> i heard a lot of suckers say they'rhopeful in my time. >> well, i'm going to be hopeful because we know we have a serious problem. you just talked about a very serious problem that's occurring in brownsville. mark and i would both agree it's a problem. we have to find a solution. it's our job to do that. right now mark and his team are working on a compromise, and i'll let him talk about it from his perspective, from our person the democratic side, we've not been involved yet in that process. that would really be a true compromise. but some of the things we have heard that may be discuss and perhaps mark will share some of that with us is in a positive direction. details we don't know. but i'm hopeful. i'm hopeful we can solve this kid problem that is a very serious thing, one i know i hate and mark and i were discussing
this earlier. >> congressman meadows, let me ask you on that. >> sure. >> there is a way in which this shocks the conscience, almost unanimous. i saw a story about a breast-feeding mom who had her child literally taken away from her. she was nursing, a 4-month-old baby. what is your position on the current u.s. policy of taking children away from their parents across the boarder? >> obviously, i've been cal on making sure that families stay together. and chris, let me just say this. my good friend matt fuller with "the huffington post" said this is the smartest cable tv, and i had to come on tonight just to figure that out. >> well, thank you, matt. it's only because we've had him on and i paid him for that. but i appreciate it nonetheless. >> but john is actually a good friend. we've been actually working on this. we represent two very separate districts, very distinct differences, north carolina, california. and yet we can come together on the fact that families need to be unified so the decision that really has complicated thing along with a
307% increase in what i would say fraud, you know, trafficking, human trafficking, are they families, are they not, we've got to get to the bottom of it and make sure families stay together. but let me just say this. in the compromise bill, there is distinct and legislation that will addresss very issue, and it's something actually that john and i have talked about a number of times. >> okay. rst of all, i want to be specific here. >> yeah. >> in terms of are they families are, they no and there has been some sort of post talk rationalization even in court that can be resolved with a dna test. if that's the concern -- >> that's part of it. but chris, you got a bigger problem. you've got 1400 people in a rehabbed walmart. obviously, we've got a problem at the border that we have to address, and we have to hopefully do that in a bipartisan way. >> but let me ask you this. i don't want to concede that
ame. problem at the border. what is the problem? people are coming here bec they're fleeing horrible persecution and want the come to this amazing counthat you and i both love. >> listen, i love the american way there is a legal way to get here. there is a way that's not legal to get here. and as we look at that, if we let everyone in who wanted to come here, i can tell you that's just not a sustainable path that we can do. >> wait a second. asylum is legal. right? >> right, right. >> well, there is a couple of different pieces. you hit upon one of them. asylum is legal, and they present themselves and seek asylum. >> that's right. >> that is one set of issues. there are others that sneak across the border illegally. and we need to differentiate there. >> sure. >> for those who are coming from asylum, there is no way that they should be separated from their kids. similarly, if they're coming here illegally, they shouldn't be separated, but that is a different question than is the asylum issue. >> wait, congressman, you just nodded your head. i want to get this on the record. if they're coming seek asylum, there is no way they should be
separated from their kids. you agree with that? >> legitimate asylum, certainly i would agree with that. >> they don't know in advance whether they clear the review. >> sometimes they do. and, chris, you're smart enough to know that there are a number of people who game the system. and i'm not saying that the vast majority of them do, but you can go on the internet and find it right now. but real asylum, am i supportive of that, keeping families together? you're making history. john and i agree on it. >> i just want to be clear. i know this sounds procedural, but it's important, right. >> right. >> what's happening right now, as far as i understand, and things are murky, and i talked to different lawyers. >> right. >> the prosecution is happening before an asylum review. so my point is when you're talking about real asylum, these people are coming. they're being prosecuted as criminals for entry. their children are being taken away before an asylum review. >> yeah, i don't know that i would agree with that, chris, be but go ahead. >> this is something that is clearly procedural. if somebody comes to the border and seeks asylum.
>> yes. >> they're not sneaking in. >> correct. >> they're presenting themselves in what is an international legal way, seeking asylum. now, they may be cheating, but that can be adjudicated. >> yes. >> later. don't separate the kids from the parents. go through that legal adjudication, their hearings. and there is a whole series of questions about the hearings. that needs to be resolved also. but we should never separate. even if somebody is coming across illegally, you shouldn't separate them. i understand you've got to deal with those who have presumably broken the law. again, you a legal process that you have to go through. i think part of our task is to make sure that the resources are available not just with the police at the border, the agents, but also in the legal review process, that there is sufficient resource, not only human resources, but also the physical resources for the kind of care that we should as human beings offer to another human being. >> so far this is encouraging on this issue. >> that's a good thing.
>> i do find it encouraging. >> i really do think -- i do think there is sort of unanimity on this. >> sure. >> there is obligation people have morally that you don't take a 4-month-old away from her mother. final question for you, congressman meadows, there is do you understand this as a policy explicitly to deter people from seeking asylum here? >> my understanding, in talking to the secretary of department of homeland security as recent as a couple days ago is that it's not being done as a deterrent. that was a direct phone conversation i had with her, because i was concerned. but in the end, we're going to have to come together, republicans and democrats to try to make sure that what happens is we find a solution. >> i might add something to that, chris. whether it is or is not a deterrent or meant to be, it certainly is. but the real solution here is to deal with the problems in those countries from which they come. >> that is true. >> and that is something that the united states needs to pay attention to. >> congressmen, i'm going to
invite you both back on the day you pass compromise legislation next week to end the practice. really serious than. i would love for you to take a collective victory lap here. mark meadows and john garamendi, thanks for being with me. >> thanks, chris. >> that is all for this evening. tonight, the man referred to as donald trump's fixer, michael cohen, about to change legal teams leading to speculation he's close to cooperating with the feds to save his family. plus, news tonight from "the washington post." robert mueller still asking witnesses about cohen as recently as five days ago reportedly. and tonight, what it all means for the president, his west wing, and his legal team as he returns from the summit as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday night. this was day 510 of the trump administration. there is new pressure on the president's long-time personal