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reuters. love to hear your thoughts on twitter. i'm still not over the trinidad & tobago loss. who are you rooting for? >> i'm keeping my options open. i don't want to get in twitter, facebook, and snapchat trouble. >> got other things to talk about? >> look, i would just as soon watch a world cup game at the moment, but you know, i got a few things to talk about. good to see you. >> you too. >> have a good rest of your morning. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. it's thursday, june 14th. let's get smarter. >> secretary pompeo, president trump just after returning to washington said people can sleep well tonight because there's, quote, no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. isn't that premature when north korea has just as many nuclear weapons today as it did a week ago? >> what the president was speaking to there is the moment that we had in singapore, the moment where for the first time an american leader sat down, a sitting american president sat down with the leader of the democratic people's republic of korea and had a blunt
conversation about the changes that would need to be undertaken in order for north korea to rejoin the community of nations. >> he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. but i think we understand each other. >> but he's done some really bad things. >> yeah, but so have a lot of other people. i could go through a lot of nations where a lot of bad things were done. if vladimir putin was sitting next to me at a table instead of one of the others and we were having dinner the other night in canada, i could say, will you do me a favor? will you get out of syria? will you do me a favor? will you get out of the ukraine? get out of ukraine, you shouldn't be there. just come on. i think i'd probably have a good relationship with him. or i'd be able to talk to him better than if you call somebody on a telephone and talk. >> a first look behind the doors of america's largest detention facility for migrant children. >> this morning there are 1500 young boys waking up inside this former walmart.
>> they didn't let us bring our cameras inside, but the department of health and human services took these photos of the shelter where we saw a facility pushed to capacity, crammed bedrooms, kids in line for food. the kid here don't get out much, spending almost 22 hours a day indoors. they also don't talk with their parents very much either. and we were told cases of psychological distress is also something they see here. with some of the kids being medicated for mental health issues without their parents even knowing it. >> psychological distress from kids who are separated from their parents. it's something over decades we have learned as a global society is a terrible thing to do. we're going to be discussing why we continue to separate children from their parents at our borders. all right. it's a day of protests across the nation as we get our first look inside america's largest detention facility for migrant children. take a look at the video given to nbc news by the department of health and human services, which is in charge of these shelters. almost 1500 boys spend, as you
just heard, 22 hours a day inside this former walmart in texas. now a shelter called casa padre. they get two hours of fresh air outside the facility, now pushed beyond capacity because of the trump administration policy that separates parents and children entering the u.s. illegally. this comes as thousands get ready for marches, rallies, and vigils scheduled across the country today in protest of families being separated at the border. nbc's joins us from brownsville, texas. you said right after you walked into the shelter that an employee asked you to smile at the kids. why did that happen, and tell me about the tone you saw. >> reporter: i want to be as exact as i can. this representative of ca casa padre said smile to us because they feel like animals locked up in cages who are being looked at. i want to be really clear. there are no cages in there.
there are no fences. it's a relatively nice facility given the circumstances, but these kids are incarcerated. they call it a shelter, but these kids are in the e kwquivat of a prison or a jail for young kids. they walk around this place, inside 22 hours a day. they only get outside fur one hour a day, structured time. one hour unstructured time. it's a direct result of the trump administration's zero tolerance policy. the crisis of overcrowding that is going on inside here that's making the federal government look for tent cities on federal property and military bases at ports of entry is manufactured by the trump administration. they do not need to be separating these children from their parents, but the administration says, well, when you cross the border illegally, you're committing a crime, so we're going to charge you for it. that's not something that's been done as a blanket policy ever before by a presidential
administration. >> this is a facility from which the u.s. senator jeff merckly was turned away. it's a privately run facility that contracts out its services to the federal government. how did we end up with that video? you mentioned we were not allowed in with cameras. tell me how that came about. >> reporter: you know what i think it is, ali. i think the department of health and human services wants people to see what's going on inside because relatively speaking, the conditions are nice. it's not dirty. it's clean. these kids, when you walk around and ask them questions -- we weren't supposed to, but i would ask kids, how are you doing? they would say well. these are licensed professionals inside here. 48 medical staff, three doctors on call at all times of the day. the director of this center raises a really important critical question, which is as soon as these tent cities are established on federal property, there's no requirement that they have to be licensed clinical staffs inside the facilities that are taking care of these kids. they're 10 to 17-year-old boys,
over 1400 of them inside here. we don't know where the girls are. we don't know where the 0 to 10-year-olds are. there's a hundred facilities like this throughout 17 states. so what happens once these kids aren't in licensed facilities but get transferred into tent city camps essentially run on federal property by who knows who. >> i guess that's my next question. the auspices under which this facility where you're at is run by health and human services. is that who runs this? it's not border control. >> reporter: correct. >> and the tent cities. do we know who's going to be in charge of that? is it health and human services? >> reporter: we know hhs is looking for them, but on federal property, it's not the same regulations that hhs has to abide by when you're on a location that's licensed by the texas department of children services. they have to go through many levels of state level regulation here in order to be able to open and operate this facility, which is the largest of its kind in the whole country.
so what happens when they don't have to do that anymore? what happens -- i mean, i'm not saying it's going to necessarily be dangerous or these kids are going to be in poor conditions. we just don't know. and we don't have those answers yet. we haven't been let into the 99 other facilities around the country. they are allowing reporters tomorrow to el cajon, california, to see another one of these facilities. but that's two out of a hundred. there's a lot more, and there's only an increasing number of kids going into them that are being separated from their parents. >> we know kids are traumatized when separated from their parents. courts really struggle with this thing. the idea that the facility is nice is very different from the fact that kids get traumatized by being separated from their parents. talk to me about the psychiatric treatment they might get, psychological treatment, medication, who makes those decisions, are parents involved in decisions about treatment and medication that their kids are getting? >> reporter: it's such a good question. you know, i was talking to a representative from the aclu
who's engaged in a lawsuit on this issue of child separation. they said, you know, it's not the nonprofit that deserves the blame for the condition that the children are in. you could send these kids actually to a four seasons luxury hotel, and they'd still be traumatized from the act of being pulled apart from their parents, often without any warning. once they're inside here, there is medication that's prescribed for kids that are undergoing psychological stress if it's deemed appropriate by a medical professional. but oftentimes, the parents don't know because they're in the custody and in the care of the guardian which is the office of refugee resettlement. it's not their own parents. they could be getting medicine for psychological condition, and it's not something their own parents are signing off on. >> all right, jacob. thanks for jyour reporting on this. a crucial issue. as a reminder, let's look at how immigration policy has changed since the last administration. right after taking office, president trump signed an executive order barring travel from seven majority muslim countries. he said it was to give officials
time to evaluate the country's vetting system to make sure terrorists can't get into the country legally. the so-called travel ban has been challenged several times, and a decision from the supreme court could come very soon. now, trump later took aim at the daca program, which had been established by president obama june 15th, 2012. it protected undocumented immigrants who were brought to the united states as children and gave them a chance to work legally in the united states. in september of 2017, attorney general jeff sessions announced the program would wind down and gave congress six months to act on a replacement. that six months has passed. we are still waiting on a solution. we'll talk about that a little more through the course of the show. another change, the obama administration had a program allowing central american refugees into the united states on a temporary basis. it was set up in 2014 for the large number of young people fleeing violence. then it was expanded on july 26th, 2016, to allow their families to qualify as well. well, in august of 2017, the
trump administration ended that program, and just this week jeff sessions announced that victims of domestic or gang violence, which is a very big reason why people come here as refugees from central america, victims of domestic or sexual violence would no longer be eligible for asylum in the united states, overturning an obama-era precedent allowing more women to claim credible fears of domestic abuse. all right. coming up, i'm going to speak with the acting deputy commissioner of u.s. customs and border protection. i'm going to ask how the trump administration is justifying this practice of separating children and babies from their parents. the report that we are getting of abuse and neglect. and some breaking news for you, the new york attorney general is suing president trump and three of his children. the a.g. alleges persistent illegal conduct and is requesting millions of dollars in restitution and penalties. i'll dig into that when we come back. first, the white house is looking for staffers at a job fair. white house jobs are usually highly competitive, but the trump administration is having a tough time filling positions.
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president repeatedly misused the profit's funds. it could cost the family millions of dollars. the president has tweeted, by the way, repeatedly in the last few minutes. he says the sleazy new york democrats and their now disgraced and run out of town a.g. are doing everything they can to sue me on a foundation that took in 18,800,000 and gave more than it took in. schneiderman never had the guts to bring this ridiculous case, which lingered in their office for almost two years. now he resigned, his office in disgrace, and dhis disciples brought it when we would not settle. okay, that's a lot. i want to bring in the reporter who broke this news. thanks for being here. david, let's start with you. what have you learned about this story? >> well, this began with some
"washington post" reporting back in 2016. we saw this pattern where trump was basically using his foundation as a piggy bank. one of the big rules about foundations is the money in them has to be used for charitable purposes. he was doing the opposite. as you said, spending money to settle business debts, to give away money during his campaign events to make him look like a better c better candidate, to buy a portrait that hung on the wall of his sports bar in miami. all that was being investigated for these 20 months. now it's come out in this extraordinary lawsuit where in addition to seeking millions in damages, the new york attorney general was trying to bar trump for ten years from being an officer of any nonprofit in new york, basically saying this is the guy who's the president of the united states, we don't think he's fit to be a director of a nonprofit in our state. >> what is this about a portrait? >> trump bought a portrait of himself with foundation money, paid $10,000 for it. that's fine. you can buy a portrait with your
foundation's money. but the portrait is in the property of the foundation. it has to be used for some charitable aim. so we wanted to know back then, well, where is that portrait? is it hanging on the wall of a children's hospital some place or a salvation army depot? no, it was hanging on the sports bar at trump's golf resort. so this thing that charity had bought wound up as a deck race -- decoration of trump's bar. the attorney general said, no, you can't do that. you have to give the painting back to the foundation. in this case, the bar had to pay rent to the foundation, $182 for the use of its portrait. >> what are the penalties? >> it's important to know this is a civil suit. it's not a criminal case. the primary penalties, therefore, would be financial penalties, dissolution of the nonprofit. i think an interesting question is could this lead down the line
to a criminal referral. based on the first quick read, there does seem to be a basis for there to be either state or federal tax charges, right, because he's using the tax exempt status of this nonprofit to funnel money. and there could be campaign finance issues. some of the reporting is that they used money from this nonprofit to make a donation to pam bondy when she was running for a.g. in florida and a lot of expenditures leading up to the iowa caucuses. >> other than the tweets we've seen, three or four in the last ten minutes, is there an official response yet? >> this story just broke, so i don't fault him for not having an official response yet, but there is no official response yet. >> but you've been reporting on this for a couple years. what's generally been the charity's take on this? >> the response from them has been basically sort of to say, well, we gave money to charity. all the money in our charity was spent on other charities, which
is, a, not true. some of the money went to a political campaign. also, they missed sort of a basic distinction in charity law. if i have a foundation and the money in it is tax exempt, i can't use it to buy things for myself, no matter who i'm buying them from. i can't buy things from a nonprofit for myself, just like i can't buy things from walmart for myself. trump always seems to miss that distinction. just giving the money to a nonprofit is not the only rule. it has to be spent in a way that furthers the public good, no that fufrthers his personal goo. >> thanks for your reporting. thanks to both of you for being here. up next, president trump in full praise of north korea's kim jong-un. we'll review all the nice things trump has said about kim and why maybe we shouldn't trust the dictator. plus, this salute. is it okay for the president of the united states to slualute a general from north korea? we'll find out on the other side.
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would we suspend them? do we know if they'll actually be suspended? >> we've just heard from admiral harris. he's the president's nominee to be the new ambassador to south korea. he said you can have a suspension and give these a pause. major military exercises, to allow piece and allow the peace process to move forward a little bit. what we're expecting from the pentagon today, according to military officials, is formal guidance on just what it's going to look like, what this suspension is going to look like. we've been cautioned not to use the word cancellation because they always want to preserve here at the pentagon the ability to turn back these exercises. it looks like it's going to be named exercises. by that, i mean names like ufg. that's the most recent one. in the spring, you have full eagle. ali, you and i could get together on a long road trip and try to come up with names for all these exercises across the globe, and we couldn't get much more creative than they get here. the one that's going to happen in thailand is cobra gold.
>> that's good. >> they always have these militaristic names. these exercises happen all the time. a large part of my job here at the pentagon is walking around asking people what's going on, and they talk to me about these training exercises. the idea that president trump is going to suspend or turn them off for a short time, the question is, will that have an effect on readiness? what we just heard from admiral harris, remember, he's the head of pay com. he's now the nominee to be ambassador. he said for the short-term, you won't have an effect on readiness. long-term there is a concern that few you don't train, you're not going to be ready. that's a real issue here. >> i guess that's the question i have here. to what extent are these things demonstrations of power in seriousness versus actual necessary training with our allies in case there were trouble with north korea? >> in general when give them a name, call them a named exercise, and invite reporters out there to have some strategic resonance to it and strategic
communications, that's meant to be more of a message. you'll note that this year for the spring exercises, the u.s. military turned off all the media coverage of those exercises. normally hopping aboard a ship or doing some sort of thing out there, you're welcome. they let you do it. they turned everything off. they went dark because they wanted to give the military, u.s. forces, give negotiations a chance to mature. as we've just heard from admiral harris, peace is a real possibility. we've also heard him in his short testimony, he's still contradicting the president. the president's own ambassador, nominee to be ambassador, just said, i believe we have to continue to worry about the nuclear threat from north korea. that's contravening the president. >> all right. final question for you. we had a picture, a video, of the president saluting a north korean general. there's some context around this. some people have been very critical of it. others have said not that big a deal. what is it? >> well, we've talked to officials here. this is all just sort of for
guidance. in general, the takeaway is that the commander in chief, the president of the united states, can return a salute as he sees fit. they say -- officials here say the bigger danger is not returning a salute. but in general, if you're going to be sitting down with a dictator, sitting down with someone or just meeting them in the hallway that's not an elected leader, you're opening yourself up for criticism. we saw this during the reagan administration, who met with a lot of unsavory west african, southern african dictators. you even saw it with president obama when he shook raul castro's hands in 2013. that was a bit of a controversy. the general rule here seems to be that you can blunder more by not returning a salute. but the rules that apply to saluting, again, this is a long road trip for you and me. you can salute outdoors but not indoors. was the president indoors? he was on a veranda. was he covered? there's so many different rules to this. the takeaway is he's the commander in chief, and he can
probably do what he sees fit. >> all right. hans, thanks very much. coming up next, what's being done to protect the children separated from their parents at the borders. i'm going to talk about this policy with a top official from u.s. customs and border protection. and an historic milestone in the auto industry. general motors will become the first major car company to have a woman ceo and a woman cfo. the new chief financial officer is the woman on the left. she's going to join the ceo, the woman on the right, mary barra, to lead gm in september. this is a logical promotion. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." thing says summer like a beach trip,
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who supported president trump. the southern baptist convention passed a resolution stating, quote, got commands his people to treat immigrants the same as those native born. we include an emphasis on securing our borders and providing a pathway to legal status, maintaining the priority of family unity. joining me now is the acting deputy commissioner of the u.s. customs and border protection. sir, thank you for joining me. i notice you've got a black bar across your shield. can you tell us a bit about that. >> yeah, unfortunately we lost an intelligence officer outside of grand forks, north dakota, last thursday. we're memorializing him today. so we'll wear the mourning bands until that ceremony is complete. >> all right. and i understand you also had a patrol agent shot at the arizona border on tuesday. >> yeah, another sobering remierr reminder of how the border is sometimes a volatile place.
one of our agents was attacked by smugglers, shot several times. we're very grateful he's highly trained and knew what to do in that situation. he cared for himself. and he was wearing his ballistic vest. we're happy to report he's been released from the hospital already. we're looking for suspects. there are about eight people in custody now. we're not sure whether or not they were involved. they were nearby the incident when to cured. >> well, thank you for your service. our thoughts are with your members. let's talk about the issue at hand. you say that only migrants caught crossing illegally will be taken into custody and separated from their children. we've seen several reports of documented separation after families present themselves legally at a port of entry. can you tell me what the actual case is here? >> we have gotten a commitment from the justice department, namely the attorney general, working with the secretary of homeland security. we're not exempting any class of alien who crosses the border illegally between the ports of entry. so when that occurs, we're referring those cases to prosecution. if that happens to be a family,
then they are temporarily separated while that prosecution occurs. then there are steps within hhs and i.c.e. detention to reunite those families once that process is complete. >> and you're talking about between ports of entry. so if somebody comes in with a family and asks for asylum at a port of entry, they won't be separated from their children? >> that's correct. that's the way the law works. >> okay. in a typical day, how many people are coming into the united states without authorization or how many people end up being arrested? are you the front line? are you the ones who arrest them? >> it's about 1500 a day, yeah. the border patrol is responsible for the area in between the ports of entry. but cbp also does the ports as well. so in between the ports, the border patrol will do that. we've worked with the justice department to refer all cases of illegal entry of people who are crossing the border illegally. >> and we've got reports of about 11,200 kids in 100 shelters. they're 95% full. at what point do these children
leave your care and get handed over to hhs? >> as soon as possible. our role in cbp is to address their needs and put them through sort of a book-in procedure, set them up for a removal hearing. they're transferred as quickly as we can into transportation to an hhs facility if they come as unaccompanied minors. that's the process as it is. >> physically removing children from their parents has got to be heart wrenching and extraordinarily difficult regardless of how well you're trained. how do you actually do that? >> well, a lot of us have our own family. these are -- these men and women are parents themselves. they treat everybody with dignity and respect, but we do have a job to do. and we do want to deter this from happening. people are sending their children to the border all alone through the hands of smugglers and investing in that. we spend an inordinate amount of
resources trying to rescue people on this journey. we're trying to discourage this activity. there are loopholes in the law that don't allow us to hold people as a family unit for more than 20 days. that's a matter of immigration and case law. so we're trying to address this the best way we can. we know that when people have a consequence for illegal activity, they do less of it. that's what we're trying to accomplish here. >> what proportion of the children who get taken into custody and put into this care are children who have come alone, meaning not with their parents, versus those who are separated from their parents after these parents attempt to enter the united states? >> so i saw your report earlier about the shelter in brownsville. 70% of those 1500 kids came to the border alone. >> alone, meaning not with their parents, perhaps with smugglers or literally on their own. >> under the law, they're unaccompanied alien children. that's how the law treats them. >> when they're separated from their parents, or for that matter those who come alone, is there an effort to ensure
they're in contact with their parents or parents are notified or perhaps parent parental consent is sought for, as we were discussing -- thank you for watching the story, by the way -- medical or psychological care? is there some connection to their parents once they're held in custody? >> yes, they're given instructions at the beginning of the process on how they can get in touch with their parents and in the back end when adjudication for their criminal case is done. then we work to reunite them. they're only in these shelters long enough to be reunited with a family member. that's the purpose. >> we're hearing as part of that report that because they're full, because they're 95% full, because so many people come over the borders, we're now looking at the potential for tent cities. do you think that degrades our ability to give these children, who are really largely innocent of anything, they're kids, the care that is required? >> our partners in hhs are responsible for the conditions, the setting, what they're doing.
what i understand they're looking at are very modern structures. they are soft sided, as in a tent, but it's nothing like a tent that you and i would use to go camping. these are professionally built facilities designed specifically for this purpose. >> deputy commissioner, you have worked in border patrol since the mid-1980s. we know that you're doing your job. you're a law enforcement guy. you deal with people. your staff are people who follow the law and enforce it. but you just mentioned that a lot of your staff are family people. if i were designing policy, i'd probably want input from somebody like you who has been involved in this for as long as you have. if we were collecting advice, if we were trying to make the best policy around, what do you have to say about separating families, separating children from their parents? >> we want people -- if they're actual refugees from some place, they should go to a port of entry and make that claim. we don't want people crossing the border illegally because it's dangerous. them paying smugglers in mexico deteriorates the rule of law in
mexico and makes that border more dangerous. they're fueling cartel activity with this cash. so we want people that are refugees to come to a port of entry to make that claim. >> what about the point that some people make on both sides, by the way, wherever you are politically, is that these kids are becoming political pawns? >> they're part of what we have to address. if they weren't part of this flow, we would be doing better on the border with drugs, gang members, and illegal aliens. we wouldn't be distracted by this humanitarian mission that we're forced to do alongside the law enforcement work that we do. >> i know this is a tricky question, but if you were the one in charge of making the policy to deal with this situation we've got right now, would you change anything? >> no, i wouldn't, because we need to send the message that crossing the border is illegal. there has to be a consequence to that activity. we'll get less of it if that works. these are policies, these are steps that we asked the secretary and the attorney general to take. if you apply a consequence to illegal activity, you get less of it. that's what we're asking for. >> the acting deputy
commissioner of the u.s. customs and border protection. thank you, sir, for being with me. >> thanks for your time. coming up next, trump's trade war with canada. how many u.s. jobs are dependent on trade with canada, and which states could be hit the hardest by trump's costly fight with our closest ally? first, today is president trump's birthday. he turns 72. the president celebrated with a cake in singapore a little early. no word yet on other plans. trump shares a birthday with the u.s. army. it was founded on this day in 1775 when the continental congress authorized the enlistment of riflemen to service the united states colonies. you're watching "velshi & ruhle."
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an update on breaking news. the trump foundation is now responding to the lawsuit filed by new york's attorney general alleging that president trump's personal charity engaged in illegal conduct. the suit claims the president repeatedly misused the nonprofit's funds and names the president and three of his children, ivanka, eric, and don junior. in a statement, the foundation says, quote, this is politics at its very worst. the acting new york attorney general's recent statement that battling the white house is the most important work she has ever done shows that such political attacks will continue unabated. the foundation added it has donated more than $19 million to charitable causes. the president's tariffs on u.s.
allies is hitting tepid resistance in congress. retiring tennessee senator bob corker railed against the measures, trying to get an amendment attached to the newest act looking to get authority to approve certain tariffs before they were it put in place. the amendment lacks brood support, something corker took issue with on the senate floor. >> a senior senator from texas saying the other day, well, gosh, we might upset the president. we might upset the president of the united states before the midterms. so gosh, we can't vote on the corker amendment. we can't do that because we'd be upsetting the president. >> now, the president himself has been relatively quiet on the issue since his blast of tweets criticizing canadian prime minister justin trudeau following the g7 summit. what the president and his advisers took issue with, trudeau's statement that canadians won't be pushed around. canada in particular is heavily entwined in the u.s. economic
unemployment picture. according to data compiled by the canadian embassy and statistics from the u.s. department of labor, about 6.4% of american jobs are directly dependent on canadian trade and investment. that was back in 2013. that's the most recent data available. that's almost 9 million americans. here's a look at the ten states with the highest percentage of their workers depending on canadian trade and investment. let's look at a few. south carolina has the highest percentage of jobs depending on trade and investment from canada. just over 8% of their workers, a bit more than 156,000 jobs. in new york state, almost 690,000 jobs depend on relations with canada. that's about 7.6% of that state's workers. it ties with georgia in percentage of workers. and in north dakota, 28,500 workers rely on canadian trade. that's about 7.2% of the workers there. joining me now is former u.s.
trade representative ron kirk. thanks for joining me. good to see you again. i guess this is always a hard one because the things that we do with canada don't come with a big made in canada label. the trade that we have with canada, autos, whether it's oil, whether it's agriculture, whether it's service industry, it is not obvious to americans how much canada and america are intertwined economically. >> you know, ali, it isn't. even though what mentioned, i do have to highlight the fact that because most of the goods and services that flow between canada and the united states, which i'm sure you know is in excess of a billion dollars every day of year. flows through michigan. i'm a bit surprised that michigan wasn't on that top ten chart as well. the reality is we have, basically, an integrated manufacturing economy in north
america since nafta and all the tariffs went away. those goods did flow freely between canada and the united states or in our case in texas, mexico and the united states. many moved back and forth for final assembly. carolina, new york and elsewhere. a stamp that says made in america, made in canada or mexico really isn't that relevant because those goods really are made in north america. >> i think we have to break down for a second, you're talking about an integrated manufacturing. you're talking about the fact that things go back and forth. that is literally true. it will cross the boarder again. components will be put in. a car might cross to different locations dozens of times in the process of being built because of inefficiencies in our system. it's made to be see through.
it's made so americans don't understand how the sausage is made. that sausage is economically important to us. >> it is important to us and it will affect a number of jobs. more importantly, i always want your listeners to understand when you hear the word tariff, that's a tax. it's going to be paid by consumers. one of the challenges that those of us who believe in trade have in making the case, as you noted, the benefits are so diffuse. we see them in everything that we buy for our families. we see it in food we put on the table. americans enjoy a 25% benefit in terms of what we pay for food than any other group of people. because of how we have an integrated economy in the u.s. this is critically important. i have to point out, i found that interesting at tend of the g7 summit when the president
challenged the other leaders to get rid of all tariffs, i wanted somebody to remind them we've done that. that's what nafta did. we wiped out the tariffs in north america and in the case of our other relations with the members of g7, we would have accomplished that. >> that's right. >> that would have fixed a lot of the things in nafta the president wanted to fix. when the president talked about milk tariffs in canada, milk is one of those things outside of nafta. the point is no use the mechanism to get all these straggling bits and get to a world where we don't have these tariffs. >> we would have done so. the president does have a legitimate complaint on that. canada and mexico will see the united states left sugar outside of it. no country is exactly pure when it comes to this.
the evening of a high grade, free trade agreement like nafta and particularly, as you correctly note, as it would have been up grated through the transpacific partnership is that just about 97% of what moves between our countries would become duty free. we get government out of the way in terms of what you purchase. >> always great to talk to you. hope we get chance to talk about this more in is a big issue. thank you, sir. we're taking a quick break. we'll be back on the other side. the dow just turned a little negative. nothing serious.
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we're back now with an nbc exclusive. hoda was there when kim kardashian west and alice johnson met face-to-face. she served 2 1 years and got th nudes she was being released in a phone call. >> i believe she said, you can go home. you can go home. sg you can go home. >> you can go home now. are you ready to go home? when she said that, i went into full fledged pentacostal holy
dance. i was dancing. i was jumping and screaming. i was doing everything. >> kim, what did it sound like from your end? >> at first i thought she knew because the news was starting to break and when he had to get her on the phone. i said, wait, you don't know. she was like, know what? i was like you're going home. screams and cries. we all just cried on phone. >> what's next for you? you're home. you're here. you're free. i know you said your life will be purposeful. what is it going to be? >> i plan on continuing to magnify this issue i can't stop. i can't stop. i've lived it. i've walked with them. it can't end here.
>> thanks for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." right now on andrea mitchell reports. mixed verdict. former fbi director james comey did not follow proper procedures in handling the hillary clinton e-mails but the report rules that politics was not involved. this as the new york state attorney general sues the trump family foundation over how that foundation handles its money. caught on camera. north korea airs new behind the scenes footage. the president of the united states saluting a north korean general at the summit as he heaps praise on kim jong-un despite kim's brutal record. >> i don't care who you are, what you are, how much of an advantage you have. if you can do that at 27 years old, that's one in 10,000 that could do that. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator.