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remember follow online on facebook and twitte twitter @mitchellreports. craig melvin is up next. >> good afternoon, a very busy day at msnbc headquarters in new york. deviated. right now, we are waiting for the full result of the big investigation into how the fbi handled its clinton probe. we are starting to get nuggets about what that report says. one nugget says james comey deviated from fbi procedures. another, about an fbi agent texted that, quote, we'll stop trump. and as all of that unfolds, new york just sued the trump foundation, saying it illegally coordinated with the trump campaign. also, children detained. nbc going inside a former walmart where hundreds of immigrant children are now being held. the crowding problem that's showing no sign of getting better.
also, partdon fever. jared kushner's new reported strategy for pardons to help his reputation. as nbc news spoke exclusively to alice johnson whose sentence was commuted by the president. and kim kardashian west who helped convince the president to do it. at this hour, the highly anticipated report into how the fbi handled its investigation into hillary clinton is being passed around washington, d.c. president trump is being briefed by deputy ag rod rosenstein right now at the white house. in a conference room at the capitol reviewing that report. they've been at it for roughly 30 minutes. there was a hope this internal report would be able to help answer several outstanding questions. among them, was the agency as president trump has alleged repeatedly on team hillary? how did its former director james comey, how did he handle things? perhaps the most significant
question, did any of it matter? did it have a measurable effect on the outcome of the presidential election? bloomberg news is reporting that the investigation found that comey did, in fact, break from bureau procedures in handling the probe, but there was no indication that comey acted out of some kind of political bias. "the washington post" reports that a key investigator on both the clinton e-mail case and the trump campaign/russia probe assured an fbi lawyer that, quote, we'll stop trump from making it to the white house. we have a team of fast-reading reporters, producers and analysts that are poring every every page of this thing. we know some questions have already been answered to a certain extent. let's start with nbc news ken dilani dilanian, he's with us. former fbi special agent manny
gomez is here. mika oyang, vice president for the national security program third ray. and the former staffer for the house intelligence committee. also former hillary clinton campaign official, adrian elrod is with me as well. ken, let me start with you, i know you've gotten your hands on this thing. hasn't been made public just yet. so far what are the top lines? what are the headlines here? >> we have not yet obtain add c copy of the report. the bottom line seems to be there's going to be a lot of fodder here for president trump to feel vindicated in his criticism of james comey and of the fbi. this is a deeply unflattering report to the fbi. however, it does not support president trump's months-long charge that there was a deep state conspiracy in the fbi of bias against him. to the contrary, it says despite some of the things you just said, despite the inflammatory text, this report finds no evidence of bias and finds the
hillary clinton investigation, however inappropriately handled at james comey at different points along the way was not affected by bias, was not improperly handled in terms of political bias. it does say though that comey deviated from justice department standards when he had that detailed press conference, essentially accusing hillary clinton of wrongdoing while saying he didn't have enough evidence to charge her. and then later, right before the election, where he had another news conference and announced he was reopening the investigation based on those e-mails found on anthony weiner's laptop. one thing we don't know the answer to yet but i'm looking forward to when we see the report is why was there a 28-day gap between the time the fib learned about those e-mails and the time james comey announced them to the world right before the election. another open question is whether the new york fbi leaked any information to the trump campaign or to rudy giuliani who was talking at the time as if he had inside information. so these are some of the things that remain unanswered and we'll see the report in about an hour. >> are we optimistic those two questions you just outlined are
going to be answered? >> we believe they will be answered. and many other things. this is a many hundred page report. we're going to see a lot of details in it. >> stand by for me. let me bring you in here. a lot of the folks are already talking about this nugget, again, that's been put out here. "the washington post" reporting that perhaps the most damaging new revelation, according to multiple people, is this little snippet here. i'll read it for our viewers and listeners at home. a previously unreported text message in which peter strzok, a key investigator on both the clinton e-mail case and the investigation of russia and the trump campaign, assured this fbi lawyer in august of 2016 that we'll stop trump from making it to the white house. trump's not ever going to become president, right, right? the lawyer, lisa page, wrote to strzok, no, he won't, we'll stop it. strzok responded, how damaging could that message be to the bureau and the doj's
credibility? >> look it, there's no question, it looks terrible. the fbi agents i've spoken to over the past couple of months who, you know, in general knew that some bad things were coming out, they're angry at these two fbi employees for making them look bad. because most fbi agents, and this is what's important, are able to keep their political views se r s separate from thei as are most doj employees. but, you know, the important thing i think to keep in mind here is that text looks bad. they were careless, reckless, for texting it on government phones. you know, they're allowed to have their own views. but there's no indication that i've heard so far, and this, as ken points out, will be an important, you know, point to still see in the report. obviously that wasn't successful and more importantly that
mueller took action to take strzok off that investigation when it was revealed he had been expressing some kind of bias. i think keeping the two investigations separate and any critiques that come out about the first investigation, the clinton investigation, separate from the mueller probe is very important for people to keep in mind. >> manny, as you know, this is a president that has long pushed this conspiracy theory about their being a deep state. he's talked about this theory that the fbi has an agenda. "the new york times" reporting, quote, the theory that a secret cabal of her supporters conspired to clear her of wrong doing. the same group, mr. trump argues, cooked up a phony investigation into his campaign's ties to russia as a way to undermine his presidency. you're an fbi veteran, manny, does that sound like the bureau that you know? >> that is absolutely not the bureau that i know and that i
work with and for for many years. the fbi's the foremost law enforcement investigative agency in the country. and part of that mystique is that it is a plpolitical. so this report coming out, that it is really just a few executive agents in this bureau are being politically motivated is very frustrating to me and to many agents that i know that are still in the bureau in high positions. and also, i totally agree with mimi, in that this is something that is sullying the bureau's reputation and name but should be taken in context of a handful of agents that, yes, they're entitled to their opinions but certainly they should not be texting or giving their opinions in government phones. that, first and foremost, that was hubrus on their part. being on these very sensitive
investigations, they shouldn't post their very varied opinions in public. so it's hurting the bureau. the bureau will bounce back. this is just a handful of agents that voiced their opinions while they were investigating very sensitive matters. but the bureau will endure, as it has from the beginning. >> adrian, fact remains that hillary clinton lost. she's placed a fair amount of the blame on that loss squarely at the feet of james comey. what do we surmise the clinton camp will have to say or have they already started saying anything about the report or the highlights of the report as we've understood them so far? >> well, you know, i think a lot of us who worked really hard on that campaign are going to have a lot to say about this when the full report comes out. look, i also don't think we necessarily needed, craig, an ig report to see, you know, the way that james comey conducted this investigation from the very
beginning. he showed, you know, he certainly showed his own opinions in this. the reporter saying he's not showing political bias. he certainly had no problem injecting his own opinion into this. i'll never forget the july press conference where he spent 15 minutes basically turning himself into a political pundit, injecting his own opinions into the way hillary clinton handled her e-mail server and then said, oh, by the way, we're not going to press criminal charges. again, there's no question he handled this investigation unfairly. i don't think we needed the ig report to vary few that but it is nice to see that the ig does agree with this analysis. >> ken, there were some outlets, i imagine it's still the case, there were some outlets that were reporting that the ig did, in fact, conclude that comey's decision not to prosecute was the right decision. do we have that? >> we don't have that reporting, no, we don't. >> okay. mika, the president, there's a tweet for everything, as you know, this was one of president trump's tweets back in february.
why is ag jeff sessions asking the inspector general to investigate potentially massive fisa abuse? will take forever. already late with reports on comey, et cetera. isn't the ig an obama guy? why not use justice department lawyers? disgraceful, all caps, exclamation point. given the tweets, the comments, mika, how politicalized has the process become? >> i think you've seen the president politicizing the process. you've seen over and over again the president wants to prejudge that evidence, right, in moving to fire andy mccabe in the days before he was eligible for retirement before the investigations were complete moving on comey before this investigation was complete. he claims that this inspector general's an obama guy but he served administrations both republican and democrat alike
and considered a very objective thoughtful prosecutor by all kinds of people. i think the president is trying to politicize what should be an apolitical process of trying to get to the truth here. think we need to take a long look at what this inspector general is saying and understand it carefully before we rush to judgment. >> go ahead. >> part of the report indicates that the problem that comey did with coming out and announcing in july, right before the election. the problem i have, most of my peers have, is that's not the fbi's way. the fbi does the investigation, gives it over to the attorney general, the attorney general decides whether or not to prosecute. >> you don't think comey should have ever had that news conference? >> i don't think he should have ever had that news conference. that's not the way the fbi works. that's not the way the system is supposed to work. if then attorney general lynch de facto recused herself from the case, that should have been handed down to a deputy attorney general to make that announcement if they wanted to
make that announcement at all. the fact that comey did that, according to the report, kind of one sided without the attorney general's office approving it or even perhaps knowing about it shows bad judgment and it started the process in weakening the bureau's reputation. >> again, as we're having this conversation for folks who might just be joining us, right now, we're told that the white house is being briefed by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein on the findings inside this ig report from the justice department. that is happening right now. live look there at the white house. simultaneously at the capitol, lawmakers and their staffers are being briefed on the findings of this report. we're told that the report itself is somewhere around the 500-page mark. so the briefing may take some time. we're also told those who are conducting the briefings are taking quite the way to,
whatever the findings are, to launch fresh political attacks behind robert mueller's russia probe, which the president has repeatedly referred to as a witch hunt. will any of this, mimi, have any sort of impact on the special counsel and his investigation? >> well, it certainly shouldn't. i mean, i think the people it will have an impact on are the people who, you know, trump's surrogates and trump's followers. they will use the report to, in their mind, discredit the mueller investigation. but it absolutely should not have any impact on it. that is a separate investigation. a separate team of prosecutors and agents. you know, the only overlap is agent strzok, which mueller, you know, immediately moved him off, as soon as he found out that there was an issue. and the fact is that nothing that comes out in this report, nothing that trump says, can
unring the bell, can undo what mueller has already found. and i think, you know, it's just the tip of the iceberg what we know mueller's already found. in other words, manafort's contacts with, you know, former russian intelligence. michael cohen's receipt of money from russian oligarchs, and that's in the southern district of new york, and those are just two examples. there's so many that's come out already. despite how many times they say no collusion, no collusion, you know, we're -- i think it's already there for us to see in plain sight but we're going to wait and see the full story and what is actually chargeable. but nothing that comes out in this ig report should or will affect that. >> all right, panel, stand by for me, if you can, for a moment. also new today, new york's attorney general filed a $2.8 million lawsuit against the trump foundation. the suit alleges mr. trump used the trump foundation's charitable assets to pay off his
legal obligations. to promote trump hotels and other businesses. and to purchase personal items. in addition, the trump foundation illegally provided extensive support to his 2016 presidential campaign by using the trump foundation's name and funds it raised from the public to promote his campaign for presidency. i want to bring in w nbc chief investigative reporter jonathan dints. this is part of the statement. this is politics at its worst. the foundation has donated over $19 million to worthy charitable causes. the president himself or through his companies has contributed more than $8 million. jonathan what do we know about the investigation so far? >> we know the new york state attorney general is pull nothing punches, accusing the trump foundation of breaking state and federal laws. the language in this lawsuit
scathing according to a pattern of illegal conduct, that the nation was nothing more than, quote an empty shell. it was used as a checkbook for the hotels, they allege, pay off private lawsuits and coordinate directly with the trump campaign. remember the iowa caucuses. donald trump jumped out of the debate and held this fund-raiser for veterans. the lawsuit alleges it was trump campaign staffers that were making the decisions on how the charity money that was raised was doled out to various groups and individuals. a big no no. the attorney general says that's clear crossing of the line. breaking of the law. the civil lawsuit points out that they are now making referrals to the irs and the federal election commission for possible criminal investigation. again, the state attorney general only filing this as a civil lawsuit. seeking millions in restitution and damages. the state attorney general wants to shut down this charity and bar donald trump and three of his children from ever sitting on or for a time sitting on any
not for profits because of their alleged improper activities. trump calling this lawsuit ridiculo ridiculous. pointing out it paid out more money than it even brought in. it doesn't address specifics about the alleged campaign connections and the way the money was handled. again, he's saying that this is the work of sleazy new york democrats. >> says he won't settle. won't settle the case. >> that's right. >> we should remind folks the president also said that about the trump university case and he did, in fact, ultimately end up settling that case. what happens next? >> well, this lawsuit moves forward. there's a possible review by the is p irs which will take a long time. this just adds to all the other legal woes the president is dealing with from the russia investigation to michael cohen here in new york. it's just yet another legal battle. >> mimi, could criminal charges stem from this lawsuit? what's the likelihood of that or no? >> absolutely. not stem from the lawsuit per se. although as jonathan pointed
out, there seems to be referrals by the new york ag to the irs and the fec. but the facts performed the basis of this lawsuit could very well form the basis of criminal charges. both state and federal. and so, you know, when i hear these -- the wording, the allegations about how he allegedly used the trump, you know, foundation, you know, as a former federal prosecutor, i think fraud, fraud, fraud and tax violations. so, you know, i wouldn't be surprised if this isn't also part of the -- somewhere in the southern district whether it be part of the cohen investigation, because we don't know right now is cohen involved in any of this in some way. or is a separate investigation. and i think one important point to make here is that this -- this really is a protection against the things that some people are worried about trump doing.
whether it be pardoning michael cohen, following rosenstein, firing mueller -- >> or pardoning himself as well. >> exactly. because now you have not just criminal but civil, you know, cases coming at him. and you have the evidence, the facts. whatever forms the underlying basis of this lawsuit in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple offices. it just makes it really hard for him to impede all of those. you know, one of them, let alone all of them. >> lots to digest. thank you for helping us on this thursday. we're going to have a rare look inside the walmart turned detention facility. that's where 1,500 kids who crossed our border are being detained right now. many of them forced from their parents. also, the mural of president trump that greets them. plus, now hiring.
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children, not migrant children. from democrats on the hill, outrage. >> to the barbaric policy of ripping children from the arms of their parents at the border, barbar barbaric, that's not american. >> separating children from parent, denying relief to victims of brutal domestic violence, that's not going to make our country better. >> house speaker paul ryan was also asked about it today. >> speakspeaker, are you comfor with the current zero tolerance policy leading to parents and children being separated at the boarder? >> no, i'm not. we believe it should be addressed in legislation. >> all of this comes as we're getting our first look inside america's largest detention center for migrant children. a facility now being pushed beyond its legal capacity. msnbc was one of the first
invited inside, along with a staff writer for the "l.a. times." jacob, we should note here, you were not allowed to take your cameras inside. this is video of the facility that's been provided by hhs. they released this video. how do the videos that they provided, how do those videos line up with what you saw? >> for the most part, craig, i mean, that is what it looked like in there. it is relatively nice given the circumstances. but i know we've been showing footage of kids playing. we were in there together. they're only allowed outside for two hours a day. so people are getting this look of, you know, these young migrant kids playing outside. but they're only allowed out for one hour a day structured time, one hour a day unstructured time. effectively what i've been saying is, you know, they're incarcerated. there are no cells, there are no cages, but these kids are living inside a 250 square foot former walmart super center under the strict supervision of the
department of health and human services. increasing number of those kids have been separated from their parents under the zero tolerance policy. it's a crisis that's been manufactured by the trump administration. it hasn't always been this way. that's i think important to underline. >> are we talking armed guards? i mean, how are they keeping them -- how are they keeping them under control for lack of a better phrase? >> as far as i saw, i didn't see any arms guards. what we should note is there are security guards. they can't leave without permission. and there were some incidents and happened with some instances of runaways. they didn't seem to say. the goal of the nonprofit that runs is to get these kids reunited with their families or a sponsor which they'll join us with sooas soon as possible. particularly now because it's
more crowded in there than ever before. >> molly, this is part of your latest piece for the la"l.a. time times". you talked to a former youth care worker who worked in a similar facility in california. a piece of what he told you about his experience there. >> physically, their needs were taken care of. they were provided food by the national school lunch program. they ate the same food as american schoolchildren. when it came to issues of emotional and social and other necessities beyond just the basic human needs, that's where things began to kind of break apart. >> molly, what did he mean by that, break apart? >> the tour we saw at this facility was orchestrated and we were led through and shown by staff what was going on. like jacob said there were staff there supervising the kids. the youth knew they were being
observed. but what he is talking about, the worker i talked to from the tucson facility, run by the same nonprofit, he's talking about what happens when the media isn't there, when staff are interacting with youth. he said things had started to break apart after the zero tolerance policy because staff were becoming overwhelmeded by kids, in particular, young what they called tender age kids, under age 13, who had been separated from their parents, did not know where their parents were and in many cases were not notified or put in touch with their parents for several weeks. >> jacob, for folks who haven't with been following the story as chloe closely, what's the end game for these kids? >> 52 days on average, and many of these kids are here declaring asylum. this area of the border patrol sees more people caught by the border patrol than anywhere else on the southwest border. the chief told me half of those people are seeking asylum.
they're fleeing some sort of violence and trying to get legal status here in the united states based on that claim. now what happens to asylum seekers is more up in the air than it's ever been for these young kids because they're being taken away from their parents. now the attorney general is saying things like dom met aft t domestic abuse is no longer grounds for asylum. so many turned back, based on these new decrees basically from the attorney general. >> molly, i want to remind our viewers of something president trump said back in april. >> we're going to be doing things militarily. until we can have a wall and proper security. we're going to be guarding our border with the military. that's a big step. >> all right, so national guard soldiers have been deployed since then to help carry out the president's orders, molly. in reality, they're apparently as far away from the border as
possible. politico reporting today they're doing everything but watching the border. everything from shoveling manure to changing tires. how surprised should we be, molly? >> well, i had talked to some border patrol agents last month until today who had that same complaint. they said they didn't understand why the national guard wasn't being allowed to do as much. in particular, because the national guard was allowed to deploy closer to on the border, on the rio grande river, under the obama administration. so when they were deployed by the state of texas. so they didn't understand what the difference was. i asked the national guard. that was never really clarified except they're there in the support role for border patrol. they're supposedly freeing up border patrol by doing things like air surveillance, detecting migrant groups or smuggling and alerting border patrol. they're running surveillance equipment. even in those cases, the border
patrol agents i talked to said because the national guard wasn't from here and weren't familiar were the landmarks around here, they had to be paired up with border patrol in those monitoring facilities. it wasn't really freeing them up that much. >> molly, thank you, jacob, thank you in brownsville, texas. let's get back to our breaking news. three big reporter takeaways so far from the ig report that congress and the white house are being briefed on. former fbi director james comey broke bureau protocol in the clinton e-mail investigation. but he did not do so out of political bias. a previously unreported text message in which a key investigator on both the clinton e-mail case and the investigation of russia and the trump campaign assured an fbi attorney back in august of 2016, quote, we'll stop trump, from making it to the white house. the report by the inspector general does not challenge the decision not to prosecute mrs. clinton. i'm joined by susan page, white
house bureau chief for "usa today." ashley parker also with me, white house reporter for "the washington post," she's also an msnbc political analyst. susan, your take on what we have learned so far from the ig's report? >> you might think the headline would be there's no political bias in the decisions he made, even though there were questions raised about james comey's decisions. i think the headlines are more likely to fix on this new e-mail that's just been disclosed that has clearly one fbi agent saying to another that they will stop trump from becoming president. that is something i'm quite sure the white house is going to seize on in a big way. to make their case. to reinforce their case. that there was something wrong. there was something inappropriate going on with this early fbi investigation. >> ashley parker, biggest top line so far, as you understand it from the ig's report? >> i agree with susan. there was a lot of anticipation. this was a president who even before today's news had done a very successful job of branding
sort of all of this a witch hunt. that's not a surprise. this is just another data point that helps him make his case. there was some sort of chatter and speculation that, you know, this may be something that helps him if he ever makes a decision to make an actual challenge at the justice department that he could use, but it would certainly at the very least be just another piece of ammunition for this president to discredit everything he doesn't like right now. >> ladies, it's not often we report on job fairs here on msnbc. it's not often there's a job fair that includes a bunch of opening, at the white house. this was part of an e-mail that was sent to many republicans on capitol hill late yesterday. promoting an executive branch job fair friday. being hosted by the conservative partnership institute. promises to include representatives from across the trump administration. the administration, as you know, has plenty of opening, right now, considering the turnover rate of senior level officials is 51%.
that's according to the brookings institution. that's also more than ten points higher than any of president trump's four predecessors through their first two years in office. susan page, some of that 51% turnover rate. what toll does that take on the administration employees who remain at the white house? >> well, it makes it a tough place to work. we know that the trump white house in particular is a place where you're going to take a lot of knocks and you know one of the things i think we're seeing is some uncertainty on the part of some republicans about whether they want to work in the trump white house. whether it is going to be the kind of career sweetener that white house services has been in the past. it's really i mean i think it's fine to go to a job fair and try to get the best applicants you have, you can possibly attract, but the fact is previous white houses have been inundated with people trying to get jobs in their white house, in their administration and perhaps that is not happening this time around. >> ashley, despite the high
turnover rate, epa administrators scott pruitt, he has still managed to hold on to his job. the subject of more than a dozen ethics reviews right now. now, even his home state senator, senator james inhofe, he says it might be time for pruitt to go, quote, saying, i've seen these things, they upset me as much as they upset you, and i think something needs to happen to change that. one of those alternatives is for him to leave that job. we do not have time to go into all of the things that scott pruitt has been accused of. but it's everything from more than $40,000 on this sound proof room. he's been accused of spending a bunch of money on pens. he reportedly uses the white house as his own cafeteria. yesterday, it was reported that he was using this conservative group to try to land his wife a job. at one point, last week, they were accused of trying to use their influence to secure a chick-fil-a restaurant.
and we put the list up there for our viewers at home to take a gander at. how does scott pruitt still have his job, ashley parker? >> well, not just that, but i can assure you, there's more damaging allegations coming. the question you asked is a mystery and not just to those of us who report on it but to just about everyone in that white house except for the president. very early on, it was very hard to find a defender of scott pruitt. and there were actually a number of people including white house chief of staff john kelly pressing the president to get rid of him. it's worth noting here that the president has jetsoned aides for far lesser sins. for whatever reason, the president is not willing to make that decision yet. when you ask people in the west wing, they don't have a good answer. except to say scott pruitt on the whole is doing a good job at pressing president trump's agenda at the epa. but there's no one in the white house who will sort of publicly or privately defend, you know, that litany -- that list you just put up. and no one has a good answer.
>> we didn't even get to the mattress. the mattress. there's still been no explanation regarding the mattress. susan page, thank you. ashley parker, thank you as well. home from prison. in an exclusive interview, a grandmother telling nbc news what it was like to have kim kardashian west plead for her freedom to the president. and she also talked about the moment her lawyer told her she was getting out. >> when she said that, i went into full-fledged pentecostal holy dance, i started screaming and jumping. and pardons are becoming a big part of trump's son-in-law jarrett kushner's agenda. a new report lays out how it fits into a larger strategy for kushner and the specific part of his work that drives attorney general jeff sessions bonkers. her salon was booked for weeks,
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>> so was the president there yet or were you waiting? >> yes, he was at his desk. >> did you try to break the ice with anything? >> yeah, well, i first said that i am here because i really want to know why you kick eed khloe f "the apprentice." he laughed and it broke the ice and then we got focused. we spoke about alice. and i explained to him where i found her. why i believe in her. how people deserve second chances. and immediately, i mean, the president had compassion for her right away. >> i believe she said you can go home. that you can go home. >> you can go home? >> you can go home now. are you ready to go home? when she said that, i went into full-fledged pentecostal holy dance. i started screaming and jumping. people were listening. i'm telling you, i was dancing. >> johnson's release last week gave president trump quite a bit
of positive media coverage, an outcome that he does not just owe to kim k. but also to his son-in-law, jared kushner. kushner was the first to actually hear kardashian west's plea. my next guest reports that kushner now has apparently pardon fever. "vanity fair's" gabriel sherman, we call him gabe around these parts, is with me. >> this seem to be not just an isolated case but the beginning of a larger strategy by jared kushner and he hopes his father-in-law to use the pardons to really change the narrative. what i find so striking is that this is at odds with the campaign promises that the president ran on, which was to be tough on crime and we should point out the president has talked about, you know, using the death penalty on drug dealers. so it's, you know, these two things are sort of really at odds with each other, but clearly it's sort of the jared more compassionate view seems to be getting some traction.
>> some have jokingly dubbed kushner the secretary of everything. these are just a few of the things that have been assigned to him so far in this white house. this is part of his portfolio. white house innovations director. broker for mideast peace. tapped to solve the opoid epidemic. performing health care for vets. apparently in charge of forming the justice system as well. what do you make of jared kushner's work now? >> i think that list is that he was assigned everything. now in some sense learned those lessons. he's focused on two primary things which are prison reform, the pardons, and the israeli/palestinian peace issue. this is clearly a case where he's lowered his expectations. that was a trip that he would have gone on in an earlier role.
i think he's enjoying the fact that his security clearance was reinstated. the crowd hanging over his future in the white house was somewhat lifted. >> there are reports that he's strutting around the white house like a peacock since his clearance was reinstated. is that accurate? >> this was a case where kushner did not like being side lined by the chief of staff. it's clearly seen by jared's allies as a significant victory that his security clearance is reinstated, that his father-in-law has his back, and general kelly has been side lined. one white house source told me that jared kushner even got out of a meeting, stood up and walked out as general kelly was presenting. san francisco has just elected its first female black mayor. she is part of a growing wave of black candidates running for
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voted for donald trump in the last presidential election. better than 90% voted for hillary clinton. doug jones, rose to office in alabama on the support of black women. black women candidates, black women voters across this country have made a huge difference. so why not leverage that authority? why not leverage that influence? why not leverage that political power and muscle to the advantage of african-american women who seem to be more progressive, open-minded, more liberal, more willing to try new things to make sure that the persistent crises of our nation are addressed. so i think it is a payoff for their extraordinary commitment to politics. >> you've written more than 20 books. you've borne witness to several administrations. what's if like being an intellectual in the trump era? how are things different today for you? >> yeah, it is extraordinary. in many ways donald trump is an outlier.
he's an aberration from the norm. in other senses he is a continuation of a trend that we don't often want to speak about. i think that donald trump represents the logic of a certain kind of view of politics that's racially based, that's full of bigotry and blindness, that's narcissistic, that doesn't concern itself with the "other." he's just the most explicit expression of it. the more fearsome expression of it. and in one sense, we have the opportunity here to see explicitly and clearly what we're up against. on the other hand, he makes richard nixon look like he was playing tiddledywinks and he certainly renders others who aspire to dictatorial power as playing games. this is extraordinary that the republican party was initially against him, resisted him, that now seems to capitulate, that's normalized his outrageous behavior. and it is a wonder in this nation that we continue to tolerate this. and i think, mr. melvin, that
this president is going to be strongly positioned to get re-elected in this country. that's the depth to which we have sunk. and i think progressive forces have to gird up their loins and figure out a way to stop this politic political junta, this juggernaut that's the presidency. >> your book. talks about 1963. a group of black thought leaders. you wrote that the sparks that flew from their meeting lit a fire in bobby that quietly burned until his death five years later. was it misleading as an impetus of sorts for robert kennedy in terms of his social consciousness as it related to the civil rights movement? >> absolutely, sir. you've discerned my thesis and stated it better than i could. that particular meeting drove him to see very differently.
he was very upset. like many white liberals he wanted to be congratulated for his ability to help black people and he wanted them to be grateful to him. they told him, no, you've got to speak about race, not simply as a political issue but as a moral issue. he went on to do that. even though at first he sicked the fbi on them. he got goss yeas for those who were attending that meeting. eventually he said, if i were black, i'd feel the same way. let me talk about race as a moral issue. for the rest of his life he did so. many of the people who were there, the activists and intellectuals and those who are the thought leaders, i draw parallel today. i don't just leave it there in the 1960s. i talk about harry belafonte and jesse williams and jay-z and beyonce and many people, kamala harris, and other people who are here in this present day doing the kind of this innings they were doing at that meeting as well. >> dr. michael eric dyson, the book is called, "what truth
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