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up.axios.com. >> i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin and louis burgdorf, "morning joe" starts right now, everybody. it is very biblical to enforce the law. the laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade. it's a moral policy to follow and enforce the law. it's the law, that's what the law states. the laws are the ones that have been on the books for over a decade. it's not a policy change to enforce the law. we're going to enforce the law, we're enforcing the law. >> the question is, is she ignorant, which would actually be better for her if she just were -- came out and said i'm ignorant and i don't know what i'm talking about. or is she a liar? because it's not the law this is donald trump, this is donald trump's interpretation of the law. >> it's the trump administration policy. i don't believe she's ignorant. >> you think she would lie that many times? i saw rudy last night, he was
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lying. but we're familiar with that we're used to that. do you think she really? i don't understand why, for somebody quoting the bible, as much as she's quoting the bible. i hope that she's completely ignorant, and isn't lying on purpose to the american people. that many times, mika, that would be terrible. >> the "washington post" describes it, violently divorced from reality. would be another way of putting it. >> why is she lying this much? i know children are being ripped from their mother's arms, even while they're being breast-fed. children are being marched away to showers, marched away to showers, are there, being told they are. just like the nazis, said that they were taking people to the showers and then they never came back. you think they would use another trick like hey, got a slurpee room over there take them to get
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a slurpee. that would be better than we're marching them to the showers and we'll be right back and they never come back. but here, jon heilemann, they're just lying and they're saying it's law, we have to do it and now they're bringing in the bible while they're lying. i don't know exactly -- >> i think there's commandments against the lying thing, right? isn't that one of the ten? >> there's a commandment against the lying. >> it's not bib biblically based that you rip children interester that parents. i believe it was jesus christ of nazareth who said let the little children come. >> tripling crown winner in a.d. 31, i believe. >> it's friday, june 15th. we have national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc, jon
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heilemann. susan del pursio. "new york times" reporter michael schmidt. pulitzer prize historian and the author of "soul of america: the battle for our better angels" which we appear to be in today, jon meachum. good to have you all on board. this is where we begin. with lies, straight on down from the top. president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, is calling on the justice department to immediately suspend special counsel robert mueller's probe. and to launch an investigation of the investigators. giuliani's statement came after yesterday's unusual silence from the president about the doj's inspector general report on the fbi's investigation of 2016 presidential candidates. the news gets staggering this morning when we started with sarah sanders and here we are now. hours before ex-trump campaign manager paul manafort heads to court this morning for a bail hearing over witness tampering claims, he pleesds not guilty to charges, including fraud and
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money laundering. giuliani insisted he was speaking for himself but his demand coincided with other trump allies, claiming the report had bearing on mueller's legitimacy. even though mueller removed agent peter strzok last summer when he learned of anti-trump text messages to strzok's lover, fbi attorney lisa page. >> we supply ied 1.4 million documents. agents who started a phony russia investigation. that's the whole core of this. that's why the investigation should be suspended. and i'm talking for myself, not the president, but i believe he would agree with this. very serious investigation has to be done of the fbi agents at the very top. by fbi agents who are honest. in order to prosecute -- president trump has said over and over again to me, i did
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nothing wrong. how could this be? now we know how it is. because these people fixed it. that's how it is. read this, if you're not disgusted, and you don't demand that the justice department begin this investigation, and suspend the one of the president and all the people that have been tortured by it. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves and that chance comes about tomorrow it doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow, mueller should be suspended and honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like strzok. strzok should be in jail by the end of next week. >> rudy giuliani, i mean rudy giuliani is shaming himself as usual. rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself. rudy giuliani is lying to the american people. rudy giuliani is, is trashing the entire fbi because of a couple of fbi agents who were fired last year. rudy giuliani is no fool.
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though he plays one on television. he knows that fbi agents also during the campaign were trashing hillary clinton in new york. it was a common occurrence. rudy giuliani, unless he's a fool also knows that while barack obama was president of the united states, c.i.a. agents regularly trashed barack obama. i know because they trashed barack obama to me. fbi agents did the same. guess what, during the build-up to the gulf war you know who the c.i.a. agents and fbi agents trashed? george w. bush. you are all are acting like such snowflakes it's as if the prime minister of canada said something mean to you, you're asking like it's the first time it's ever happened. a phony investigation? let me hold up lots of papers, rudy thimpgs you're too stupid to not be like brought into this tizzy, because he holds up lots of papers. if you read this.
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because i've writ tn down here. you'll find out that they've already in this phony investigation of rudy giuliani, have already been 13 russians indicted. that's a hell of a phony investigation. 13 indicted by americans in a grand jury overseen by an american judge. 13 russians indicted. oh, an additional russian indicted. oh, wait, hold on a second, this information that i'm reading here that you should be blown away by also shows that the man that ran donald trump's national security agency, indicted. pled guilty in this phony investigation and is now cooperating with federal authorities. but wait. there's more. the man that donald trump said was running his natural security team. head of foreign policy. george papadopoulos he told the
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"washington post," indicted, pled guilty and is now cooperating with feds. boy, that's some phony investigation. but wait, there's more. one of donald trump's top campaign managers during the 2016 campaign has pled guilty. and is now cooperating with authorities. why, that's some funny witch hunt. oh, wait, there's more. paul manafort, the man who is running the campaign, jon heilemann, the man who donald trump said he had to get on board, so he could win the republican nomination, is going back into court today, he's been indicted by a grand jury of americans, of americans, with an american judge, listening in, been indicted and man ffrt is going to go to jail today. now i don't know who is stupid
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enough to listen to rudy giuliani and believe rudy giuliani. but i'm asking, if you are stupid enough to believe that, ladies and gentlemen, then i'm going to ask my judge to get your phone number and cast you in i had okayidiocracy ii. because i don't believe there's anyone that stupid. >> well unfortunately, whether you call them stupid or not, this -- >> you have to be stupid with 20 indictments by americans -- >> dude, i'm with you. >> by american grand juries, you have to be stupid and also i'm sorry, but didn't the fbi help elect donald trump? that's, you know i think that's the most frustrating thing. that the very, the very breach of protocol of james comey, had him send out a letter, ten days before, when the fbi was sitting on that information for 20 days
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and helped elect donald trump. >> there's no doubt there's an audience out there of americans, other american who is find rudy giuliani's arguments persuasive. there are. we've seen it in the polling. there are some people out there -- go then they're ignorant of the facts. >> i'm not sticking up for them, i'm making a point there's no doubt the argument. this was the most, the way that giuliani has reacted. the way that the administration has reacted and the way that donald trump will react, in the course of the next 24 hours or sooner, all of this, the reaction to the report was totally predictable. >> don't the press have a responsibility -- >> it does. >> i had to sift through reports yesterday until i got to the point where the ig said, the ig found out that comey held the information a month longer than he should have. which elected donald trump. >> the biggest take-aways from this report. the biggest ones out of 500 pages, the biggest take-aways are, there is one text message
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from peter strzok that we did not know about that donald trump and his allies are going to seize on and talk about all day long today in which strzok said in some tone that we can't tell either with the tone of intent and seriousness, or a throw-away line. who knows. >> let me ask you this -- let me ask you this, this is for the stupid people, who actually believe this. i got to say some of you people tweeting yesterday -- stop shaming yourself. just stop shaming yourself. you're embarrassing yourself because the bottom line of this report was that james comey elected donald trump. let me ask you something, if you get a text message from somebody who works for me -- >> i sometimes do. >> and they say the sun rises in the west, but you don't get that text message from me and you know that i know the sun rises in the east. are you going to freak out? are you going to call me up and then when i actually tell you yes, the sun rises in the east, are you going to be freaking out
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about the people who work for me? are people that worked for me in congress? or does what i say matter the most? you actually have the guy running the fbi, that threw the election for donald trump and yet a couple of subordinates that are making out are texting each other, stupid nasty things. >> i said more than that. it's not even that i think that comey -- i don't even believe that comey's intent was, and there's nothing in the ig report that suggests that his intent was even to throw the election for donald trump. but the reality of it is, there's no -- >> there's no demonstration in anything that's been written here that strzok actually did anything after sending this text to accomplish what he said he was going to accomplish. >> the fact that the ig says -- absolutely willie, no documentary evidence, no evidence of any kind. again if you look -- here's a quote and i know you guys would love to hear it i'm going to say is it just for you, our review did not find documentary or
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testimonial evidence directly connecting the views of these employees to specific investigative decisions we reviewed. in fact if you look at the record, willie, in fact what happen happened after those text messages were sent, james comey launched the greatest october surprise in the history of american politics and it ripped to shreds hillary clinton's campaign. >> and that is the headline out of the justice department's ig report. it says as jon says about as predictable it could get that rudy giuliani and the white house would seize on these texts from lisa page and peter strzok, that they believe shows corruption inside the fbi and corruption now with the mueller investigation because they worked on it. although last summer immediately when he found out, robert mueller threw them off this investigation. so michael schmidt -- >> one just quickly just to say this, just -- talk is cheap, you know, talk is cheap. any investigation in any circumstance that we can have.
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people talk, they say stuff all the time. the question in this report is, what's the noise, what's the white noise among various employees, various people in the fbi and what was the action? what actually occurred as opposed to what were people saying in -- what did comey do as opposed to what did some of the staffers say. >> protocol in a way that destroyed hillary clinton's campaign ten days out and everybody knows it. >> the ig report calls james comey insubordinate, critical not just of the two letters on the eve of the election, but also the july press conference, they said it was inappropriate that he didn't need to come out and make public statements about that you've combed through this thing. with a are your headlines from the ig report. >> if you didn't like comey before, you're not going to like him now. but it's a judgment question, there's nothing new in this report that shows that comey lied that he distorted anything.
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so in terms of a witness, he hasn't really moved that much. he's incredibly important to the mueller investigation. he is the central person in the obstruction question. the firing of comey, asking comey to end the investigation. we don't find comey to be a liar. back on your point, the president's lawyers told mueller in january that he believes he has the power to end any type of investigation. he uses his power to pard ton do that as well. if he thinks this is a witch hunt and he looks at this document, he does have the power to call rod rosenstein or call jeff sessions and say put an end to this. if rudy is saying that, why doesn't the president do that himself. he controls the executive branch. >> you know why he doesn't? he knows it would be obstruction of justice. he knows that his campaign manager who he said was critical for him getting elected, getting the republican nomination, is being marched into court today. >> but it's not obstruction of justice if he has his lawyer out
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there, saying the attorney general and the deputy attorney general -- >> it's all obstruction of justice. it's all obstruction of justice and the fact that more people aren't shocked and the fact that the republican party, susan, that is just lost its soul, i mean paul ryan, my god, asked about this, he trashes the entire fbi, as shameless as he is. asked about the epa director, he said, duh, i've been too busy to pay -- he's been too busy to pay attention? my dog could tell you half of the things that pruitt has done. it's see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. >> and that really started with speaker ryan when he allowed those confidential memos or anything to be released to memo form that was probably out of the, out of committee, he let nunes do that, that was probably the beginning of the end of that. what i think we're going forward looking at the ig report and the way rudy giuliani tied it into
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mueller and to other things, is that this now is actually all playing into donald trump's hands, because people aren't able to process all of these things. we also have the attorney general of new york come out with an indictment against donald trump's charity. >> how many, it's hard to count, how many criminal charges could the irs bring against donald trump because of those -- >> that is -- it should be noted that this wasn't criminal. this is on the civil side. and there are tons of issues on the taxes. because he used some of those foundation expenses to cover businesses, i wonder if that really opens up an avenue to explore his tax returns. and if the new york ag starts going into his business tax returns that's going to be a whole different situation for trump and how it plays into the mueller investigation. >> so watching paul ryan, who ran as mitt romney's vice presidential running mate -- >> it's hard to remember. >> served as speaker of the
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house, seemed to be a leader and a good man, is really a heart-breaking political decline. and that's saying it nicely. here's his statement in part about alleged bias at the fbi. >> i know that the fbi is home to many dedicated public servants and director chris wray now has an enormous responsibility to earn back the public's trust in this institution. >> willie, i think paul ryan needs to understand, the public does trust the fbi. it's just the president of the united states that doesn't trust the fbi. >> paul ryan knows that. >> it's syncophants and lackeys on capitol hill who are trashing the fbi every day. >> paul ryan is helping the president with the notion that the fbi is corrupt. >> your love of country is coming through today. coming through for the united states of america. >> you mentioned the epa stuff, it's staggering, he said he
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hadn't heard of any of the scott pruitt scandals. >> director christopher wray seemed to agree with how much the ig report actually impugned the entire fbi. let's see. >> the ig report makes clear that we've got some work to do. let's also be clear on the scope of this report, it's focused on a specific set of events back in 2016, a small number of fbi employees connected to those events, nothing, nothing in this report impugns the integrity of our workforce as a whole, or the fbi as an institution. >> christopher wray is out there standing alone. i said he agreed, he disagreed with what paul ryan said. to take up for the fbi. >> he's donald trump's appointee, right? trump appointed him. i'm write rite about that. >> donald trump appointed him. donald trump talks about this --
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hold on, let me go through the democrats, christopher wray, no he's a republican. donald trump appointed. the attorney general is, no, way, jeff sessions he appointed, rod rosenstein, no, he's a republican, too. rod rosenstein is a republican, too. they're all republicans. >> jim comey? >> republican. >> jon meachum, how you doing this morning? >> i tell you what, jon? >> anything going on up there? >> you have an ig report that comes out. and it is completely twisted by the president of the united states. they try to pick two people, two underlings, who were idiots, texting each other. and saying horrible things about donald trump. just like fbi agents and c.i.a. agents said horrible things about barack obama, especially the new york office.
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just like c.i.a. and fbi agents said horrible things about george w. bush in the lead-up to the iraq war. there was a civil war inside the c.i.a. about george w. bush. there were constant leaks against george w. bush. starting in the fall of 2002. these things happen, jon. and you've got rudy giuliani with his bulging eyeballs, acting like a snowflake, like this is the first time that this has happened in any bureaucracy. it's happened in the state department since thomas jefferson walked in there. >> yeah. actually you know he started, jefferson started a newspaper to fight hamilton while he was in the state department. i think three things happened this week that are hugely important. that we will actually look back on as we dot history of this era. one is we have yet another affirmation of why donald trump is president. and jim comey for all of his
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service to the country, bears a good bit of responsibility for that fact of our national existence right now. and that's a hugely important thing we should stop. judge walsh, back in 19 92, came made an announcement that he was reindicting casper weinberger in the last minutes of the bush/clinton/perot race. that's paint ball, it barely left a bruise this is serious, the other is that the attorney general of the united states decides bizarrely to invoke holy scripture to talk about the one of the most striking human rights abuses that our government has been part of in a very long time. and that's just -- you know, shakespeare said the devil can quote scripture to his purpose and we saw that this week. and the third thing is bob corker of tennessee who is on his way out, used a really
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important word about the republican party. "cultish." he said that the party is becoming a cultish thing. in regard to trump. and you saw that with the sanford news in south carolina. you saw it with paul ryan. and you're going to see that text message which could stop him. which can could be the twisting in the wind phrase of this whole scandal, is going to live forever on the right wing. the question is that right wing going to be the 35% that was always with joe mccarthy? or is it going to be closer to 45 or 48%? this is really a war for that 13. >> jon meachum, we'll stop him, turned into, we elected him. >> we'll elect him. >> no, we elected him. james comey elected him. the ig report shows they had, the abedin/wiener emails for a
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month. they sat on it. if this that letter had been sent when they were reviewing them, then hillary clinton most likely still would have won the election. they were dropped -- when all of these women came out on sexual harassment charges on donald trump and i said and i think it was like -- probably a month, month and a half beforehand. i said you know if they had dropped these ten days before, said it in real-time if they had dropped these ten days before, he wouldn't recover from it. so comey drops a letter ten days before. and i'm sorry, i don't know what's going on in james comey's mind, i know he's a showboater, but anybody that knows anything about politics knows, you drop something like that ten days before -- there's no recovering. >> it's, you know, in a different way, it's like the
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2000 election. a compelling case could be made is that the reason that george w. bush lost the popular vote in 2000 was the thursday or friday night before the election, the news of his d.u.i. came out. and you know, that the bush people will tell you that it lost, they thought, maybe three or four million votes among particularly religious folks who were so tired of political figures not seeming to be what they were. and bush had to dig out of that. so you're right, anything that happens in those last hours, and the larger issue you raise, we're in a real stress test here. is can the public separate the tech, a stray text message from an fbi agent, from the larger question, the 13 indictments and more coming? or will rudy giuliani
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successfully obfuscate everything into one big miasma in which the trump base becomes so impervious to reason that even when they're hit over the head with it, they can't find it. >> we had times when evangelicals were so shocked and stunned they wouldn't vote for a man who had a d.u.i. back in college. and now pay-offs to porn stars and -- >> grabbing them by the -- whatever. locker room talk. you go on and on. attacking people viciously. ripping babies from mothers' arms at the border. that only makes evangelicaling love him even more. >> what do they say, joe? we elected a president, not a saint. michael, this ig report it seems to me is yet another political rorschach test for our tribal times is that supporters of
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hillary clinton will see rightly will in here, that james comey put his thumb on the scale and perhaps prevented her from becoming president and trump supporters will listen to what rudy giuliani and the white house say is look there's corruption, there's corruption inside the fbi, therefore mueller either out to go or if he stays, you ought not listen to what his conclusions are. >> on either side if you want to understand this report, you want to understand what happened before the election, you have to look at the incredible nuance of this. the complexities of individuals sending politically-tinged text messages and not executing things in an investigation that are to that end. and that is a very difficult thing for people to get their heads around. and especially in these times with both sides hitting it. i don't think anyone is going to look at it with clear eyes. and until that happens, no one will be satisfied with the 2016 election. especially the left. >> michael schmidt. thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> what's going to happen today
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with manafort? >> with manafort? >> it looks like you know, pretty strong case that the government has, i think more importantly than that, it shows how aggressive mueller's guys are being. and it just makes you wonder what else they're doing. if they'rele to be this aggressive with manafort on this type of issue, and throw him in jail, what else is going on? >> what about in the southern district of new york, a lot of talk that the president's former lawyer is going to start cooperating with the feds? i think that michael cohen has an enormous amount of pressure under him. as someone who i spoke to who deals with all this craziness said -- the guys who talk the toughest at the beginning are often the first ones to go. and michael talked pretty tough at the beginning. >> well still ahead on "morning joe," we circle back to where we started, the white house pretending it is not responsible for its own policy of separating immigrant children from their
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families. plus the latest plan for a new tent city to house some of those children. up next, paul ryan apparently hasn't read the newspaper for the past few months. >> frankly, i haven't paid that close attention to it. i would refer you to the authorizing committee that oversees the epa. i'm glad with kind of a regulatory position they've taken, but i don't know enough about what pruitt has or has not done to give you a good comment singular focus. to do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. to fight cancer. and never lose sight of the patients we're fighting for. our cancer treatment specialists share the same vision. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. and these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com appointments available now.
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. attorney general jeff sessions is defending the trump administration's zero tolerance immigration policy. in a speech to law enforcement officers in indiana yesterday, sessions justified the administration's policy of separating children from their parents at the border. and cited the bible in his remarks. >> having children does not give
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you immunity from arrest and prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you won't get prosecuted. i would cite you to the apostle paul in his clear and wise command in romans 13, to obey the laws of the government, because god has ordained the government for his purposes. >> i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law, that's repeated a number of times throughout the bible. however -- hold on, jim if you'll let me finish. i'm not going to comment on the attorney's specific comments that i haven't seen. that's not what i said, i know it's hard for to you understand, even short sentences i guess, but please don't take my words out of context, but the separation of illegal alien families is the product of the same legal loopholes that democrats refuse to close, in these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade and the president is simply enforcing them.
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>> let's see, so the game plan at the white house we saw there is one, you lie about what the law is and what the law isn't. when questioned about your lies, and the misquoting of the bible, you insult a reporter. and then you quote the bible again. you know it's interesting, jon meachum, you're of course the biblical scholar here. what we're talking about children if they want -- there's so many bible verses that completely contradict the actions of donald trump and his administration, joevangelicals know it if they've actually read the bible lately. you could go to luke 17 where jesus says it would be better for millstones to be hung around their necks and they be thrown to the bottom of the sea, if anyone were to cause a little child to stumble.
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i mean -- the sermon writes itself. and you can even be out in time to have 14 stanzas of "just as i am" and get to morrison's cafeteria by 12:05. >> nothing better than morrison's. the cube jelly? jell-o? >> here's another one from the psalms, put not thy trust in princes, full stop. this is a totally elective problem. the attorney general has created here. why is the apostle paul being invoked here at all? i just don't understand it. and i believe firmly as you know, and you do, that you can't separate religion from politics. this is just at a moment when are just as divided as we are, and we weren't in, and the administration seems to have such a hard time with the
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fundamental issue of accuracy and truth, i would stay as far away from the bible as possible. >> yeah, just stay away from it. >> don't throw jesus under the bus on your immigration policy. or a refugee policy. that is anti-american. the refugee policy is anti-american. again, i believe in strong borders. i want to be tough and stop illegal immigration. but like a lot of other people, i don't -- that have that position, i don't want little children ripped from their parents' arms, i don't want them marched off to quote "showers." on our refugee policy, again, if they're quoting the bible, i'm sorry, you'd say in court, the attorney general opened the door, let us walk through that door that he opened. what is one of the first stories that we are taught as children
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in sunday school or in vacation bible school? it's the story of good samaritan. and what does jesus say on the sermon of the mount? he talks about not loving your friends, he says even the sinners do that. love your enemies. that's the central premise of the new testament. so if the attorney general wants to open up the bible and start talking about it, i guarantee you, he's got, jon, a losing case. >> one of the things that i think, another one of these big generational questions is going to be, what do, when evangelical christians who support the president actually have a reckoning, which presumably they will. will they have to ask themselves is, was the supreme court worth it? was that seat worth it? >> no, it was not. >> that's the bargain they made. they sold their souls for a seat on the supreme court. >> you can look at the history,
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jon, as i know you do, the church when it was being persecuted by rome, and the roman empire, grew. when the roman empire swallowed up the church and it became actually a status symbol within the roman empire, within government, to become a christian, that's when the church got corrupted. it's also when the roman empire began to fall. >> since we're on this dorky subject, and i know this will upset mika that i'm going to throw in something dorky and surprise you. but the original image of the wall of separation between church and state, the original image, was partly from roger williams, the founder of rhode island. the idea was that the wall was not to separate and protect the state from the church. but the church from the state. that ultimately, temporal power corrupts spiritual authority.
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>> this is our own version of "paradise lost." we have seen what the angels have said. next segment we'll see what the devil says, playing that role for us, donny deutsch. we'll be right back. your brain changes as you get older.
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we want to bring donny into the conversation. >> why? >> do you guys remember the episode of "the office" when michael scott was wearing a women's suit? he's wearing women's jeans today. >> is he? >> yeah, skinny jeans. i could wear those. can i wear those. >> can we have a shot of the skinny jeans. >> these are men of a certain age who still remain in decent shape. can wear these things. >> what's that on your ankle? >> there's a lot of things there that i could say. i would like to borrow those next time, joe, a as gig. and in washington -- the co-founder of axios -- >> i want to just -- before you -- i would like our viewers -- >> is that a bangle on your ankle? >> guys, you are haters because i am fashion-forward and i am proud. i am fashion forward.
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>> his ankles look like jabba the hut's chin. >> co-founder of axios -- >> did gloria vanderbilt make those jeans? >> do you know how many people stop me on the street and say, i'm jealous of you. >> that's because you're worth about $4400 million. >> hear something positive from our friend mike allen. >> let's cue him up. three, two, one. >> happy friday. >> no, it's not. >> everything is okay now. >> can i just get back to the -- >> another man who is worth about $400 million. >> we got into it a little bit. yesterday i was watching tv and i was, watching "handmaid's tale" a dystopian look at the future of this country. in the show they're pulling children away, separating
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children. and i drifted on to the news. when you physically see what's happening down there. i want to you picture this if you're a parent. the refugees show up, they separate the moms -- the kids are indoors 22 of 24 hours a day with five other kids. literally, we have become the bad guys. >> the wonderful thing about america has always been, susan, in other countries, you, the sins of your parents pass on to you. and a lot of times they pass on either culturally or legally. maybe, the idea of debtor's court and. but we don't do that in america, one of the wonderful things, that we don't pay for the sins of our fathers, we don't pay for the sins of our mothers. we're given a fresh start in america. these children are being made. these infants are being made to pay for the decisions of their
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parents. >> and what's even worse is, is the only thing that's going to move this administration from this horrible policy, that they are enforcing that is not the law. >> is that it's going to take something happening to one of these children. that's going to scare them. and unfortunately -- >> it already happened. >> we in the united states are ripping children out of parents' arms. >> i understand that and there's obviously a lot of psychological issues there and there's the drama alone, trauma alone is a lot. but what i'm talking about to move this administration is, we're going to see criminal activity, there's already talk that some of these places, especially where children who are a little older, who are 12, 13, are sleeping next to grown men. there are a lot of problems in the investigation into those things. we're going to have to wait until these things come out to see if the administration acts. i don't know what else does it.
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>> i don't know if there is, if i shouldn't, if i'm not allowed to do this. they can tell me afterwards. i'm not allowed to do this. but you know we went over to paul weiss a couple of days ago. a great law firm in new york city, they're known for their extraordinary pro bono work. working with indigents and working on big causes. i would love to see some of the biggest, best law firms in america just send one of their lawyers down to mccallum, texas. flood the zone. people could go in there and just start representing one by one by one by one, these people who have had their children ripped from their arms. i know in america there are good people. i have seen law firms do extraordinary things. without expecting anything in return. this is what's needed there right now. during katrina, i saw people come in from all over america, good people come in from all over america and try to help the
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people of new orleans. help the people from mississippi gulf coast. this is what's needed right now. somebody needs to organize this. and get the best and brightest lawyers that they can. get them down to the border and do just what the gore and the bush team did in 2000, fly 737s of lawyers into a place and make a difference. >> it's a great analogy. when you think about it this way. it's something that causes your stomach to turn. we're seeing pictures of a humanitarian crisis in america that's self-imposed. by policy, we're imposing a humanitarian crisis on our own country intentionally. not through a natural disaster, but through an act of government. when you think about it, it boggles the mind. >> there are great legal aid services down there, nonprofits doing the work and they're part of the reason that light has been shined upon this. i agree with you. >> we could use the correct term is like humanitarian.
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we, the united states of america, our country, right now as we speak, when people who are running from oppression, trying to keep their daughters from becoming sex slaves, slaves, we the united states are pulling crying children, infants from their parents and putting them in a separate room for a month. you used the shower analogy which is politically incorrect -- >> that's what they're saying. they're saying they're taking them to showers and never seeing them again and mika this is not just a liberal conservative right versus left issue. there have been good conservatives, rock rib conservatives like erick erickson and others saying this is not who we are. >> no, it's not. and looking at this report that was reported on msnbc last night, rice, the largest immigration legal service, it's a nonprofit in texas, saying there are parents who have been waiting four months
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post-deportation for the u.s. to return their babies. they skype once a week with their eight-month-olds who have been effectively kidnapped by the trump administration. just kind of look at what happened just yesterday with the attorney general quoting the bible on this. you have the white house press secretary lying, calling it a law, saying it's biblical and n not -- it's not. and this is more than tone deaf. because not only is this a story about who we are and redefining who we are in the worst way, this is a story about women and their vital role as mothers and when you have babies being taken away from their mothers you have to ask why the counselor to the president who was brought in to help the president perhaps create good policies surrounding women, parental leave, domestic
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policies that are important to women in this country, you have to ask why ivanka trump is so tone deaf to post a picture about her special day yesterday with her daughter. again, just missing the mark every step of the way because this is about who we are as a nation. it's also about women and their vital role as mothers. we're losing every, every step here. we're losing a sense of who we are. and it's wrong and we need people in there with stronger voices. we'll get to mike allen in a moment. also coming up, the president is pressing ahead with a summit that he really wants with vladimir putin. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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been thrown at us this week. but what matters? what will we remember ten years from now? >> we'll remember we have further evidence of why donald trump is president and it had to do with the punditry of the fbi director who decided to guess that hillary clinton was going to win and he wanted to protect himself in the fullness of time and richard nixon after 1960, which was such a narrow race, said that everybody -- when you have a race that close everyone has 25 theories and if it's that close any one of them can believe right but we're pretty close on this one and we're in an era that is always going to -- we're going to talk about as long as the english language is spoken and we have a new insight as to why it's here. >> jon meacham, thank you, the book a run away number one best-seller. >> great father's day gift. >> if you love your father you will buy "the soul of america."
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>> it's important bibly liicall >> one of my favorites came from brother pat buchanan when i asked him on air, why didn't you challenge illinois because kennedy stole illinois. pat's response? "because we stole kentucky, joe." i love pat. still ahead, new legal troubles for the president and his family. the new york attorney general's office is suing the trump foundation alleging vast illegal activity. the "washington post's" david fahrenthold has been reporting extensively on the matter and will join the conversation. plus, member of the senate judiciary committee senator richard blumenthal joins us to react to the new ig report. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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let's meet, only at a sleep number store. welcome back to "morning joe," it's friday, june 15. >> donny, what are your plans tonight? what are you doing? dinner or anything. you going to the hamptons? >> i'm going to hampton. >> by helicopter or car? >> you're worth $400 million. my brother was in town, he'd never been, he wanted to go. i said george, it's friday, we'll never get there. now if you were donny deutsch, you'll take a helicopter. do you really fly a helicopter? >> answer the question honestly.
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>> i think modes of transportation are not necessarily a relevant discussion. >> come on. >> helicopter or seaplane. >> there's many different ways to the hamptons. >> when was the last time you were on the l. ichi.e, donnie? -- donny? >> ellen did this with bill gates. >> how much does a gallon of milk cost? >> a gallon of milk i would say -- >> quart of milk, any quantity of milk. >> $3. >> depends where you buy it, too. >> have you ever seen donny's refrigerator? >> no. >> it's incredible. >> have you seen it? >> yes, i have. >> why have you seen donny's refrigerator. >> i can't get into that. but if you go into donny's house, everything is labelled. he's got like a kato kaelin figure in his house. all the clothes are labelled in the closet. everything is labelled? >> are you kidding? >> and when you get to the refrigerator everything also has a label.
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so. >> like "this is milk?" >> "this is the eggs, this is the milk." am i right? >> you need help knowing what the milk is? >> 2% milk, whole milk. >> i'm going back to the bible. >> are you ocd? is this an ocd thing? >> i feel very personally exposed right now and i'm a very organized person. >> he's very organized. >> i don't know how to respond to this. others say there is so much in my house -- i have, five dogs, three children -- >> and a couple jean michele basquaits on the wall. >> in all of the labelling, it's a very organized house, extraordinarily nice, beautiful home, beautiful art, incredible thing. but among all the labelling, the most incredible something that when you see donny there holding his starbucks cup which his kay
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kato kaelin guy has gotten him from starbucks the starbucks cup is labelled -- >> what does it say? >> whatever's in it, vanilla half caf -- >> it's brewed at home. >> it's in a starbucks cup, donny. >> it's a cup like this. >> that's a starbucks cup! thank you for making my point. >> so donny and heilman are also still with us. and joining the conversation we have former justice department spokesman now an msnbc justice and security analyst matt miller. apologize here for donny. >> like i walked into a reality show and i have no idea what's going on! >> what if i reveal matt miller is donny's kato kaelin. >> we've learn how old the other half lives. >> how is everybody's salary? is everybody doing okay on this
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set? all these poor people i'm surrounded with? >> your skinny jeans are too tight. >> squeezing the circulation to his brain. and other places. go ahead, read the news. >> it's hard but i people going to. >> what happened? this is three or four minutes into the show. >> president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani, we don't think he's well but that's besides the point. he's calling on the justice department to immediately suspend special counsel robert mueller's probe that has indicted 20 people, 14 russians and most of the people that ran donald trump's campaign in 2016 and now he wants to launch an investigation of the investigators. >> giuliani's statement came after the doj's inspector general report on the fbi's investigation of 2016 presidential candidates. hours before ex-trump campaign manager paul manafort heads to court this morning for a bail hearing over witness tampering claims, he pleads not guilty to charges including fraud and money laundering.
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rudy giuliani insisted he was speaking for himself but his demand coincided with other trump allies claiming the report had bearing on mueller's legitimacy even though mueller removed agent peter strzok last summer when he learned of the anti-trump text messages to strzok's lover, fbi attorney lisa page. >> we supplied 1.4 million documents and who are we supplying them to? people who have already concluded to frame donald trump, agents who started a phony russia investigation. that's the whole core of this. that's why the investigation should be suspended. and i am talking for myself now, not the president, but i believe he would agree with this. very serious investigation has to be done of the fbi agents at the top by fbi agents who are honest in order to prosecute them. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves and that
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chance comes about tomorrow. doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow mueller should be suspended an honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like strzok. strzok should be in jail by the end of next week. >> so let me ask you, matt. he wants to suspend -- let me get this right -- an investigation that has already -- into russian meddling that has already indicted 13 russian nationals, three russian companies, the man that flew around with the president the most during his presidential campaign. the man that everybody said he trusted the most, that he spent the most time with and who became his national security adviser busted, he pled and he's cooperating with the feds. this investigation also got one of the top people in the campaign who's already -- he's already busted, pled, and is now
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cooperating with federal authorities. the man that donald trump said was one of his two most important foreign policy advisers during the campaign busted, pled, investigating with federal authorities, the man donald trump said he needed to run his campaign as campaign manager because it was the only way he would become the republican nominee, busted and is now going into -- going to be fraud marched into court this morning. i mean, he's lied time and time and time again and chances are good he's going to be going to jail. the list goes on and on and on. we have 20 people who have been indicted. again, not indicted by bob mueller, indicted by grand juries that are filled with americans. just like giuliani and others
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that are on voting roles. they've gone in, we've heard they are very serious, they take their job seriously. we've heard this from people who have been before grand juries and they are the ones who have indicted the russians and members of donald trump's campaign and here you have rudy giuliani -- by the way, i'm sure the yankees would like him to take off the world series ring -- >> definitely. >> shaming himself, shaming the people of new york, shaming anybody who believes in the rule of law saying no, let's investigate the investigators and end this investigation because it's getting a little close to home. and again what drives me crazy about yesterday is people are going look at these four or five people sending text messages. that happened in the fbi in new york, people attacking hillary, happened in the cia always. this has always happened and yet the big picture they seem to miss from this ig report is that comey held on to the most damning evidence of all so he
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could drop a letter ten days before the election and actually destroy hillary clinton's campaign. talk about purposefully not seeing the forest for the trees. yesterday was a low point. there have been so many low points for republicans and rudy giuliani and clowns on the hill. yesterday was one of them. >> i think for a while now we've seen two tracks marching forward. one is reality and the reality is bob mueller where you see new indictments, in guilty pleas coming out of his probe coming time and time again. the other track is fantasy and over the last 24 hours we saw the difference. in this ig report we saw the reality which is for all the president's claims, for all his attacks and lies about what the fbi and justice department was doing, their actions in the 2016 campaign helped his campaign, did not hurt. the other reality we see from that ig is that there was no evidence that anything peter strzok said about donald
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trump -- and he also said things about hillary clinton, he attacked eric holder, bernie sanders, their actions did nothing to hurt him and all of the actions of the fbi helped h him. so we're going to see this fantasy coming from the president for a while. at the end of the day you may see paul manafort in jail. he's going to go in court today and may have his bail rejoked by the end of the day. that will put more pressure on him. you see michael cohen getting much, much closer indi indicted. the attacks will get worse before they get better. >> they are desperate. they know he's coming close. >> and just this morning a few minutes tag president is tweeting "fbi agent peter strzok who headed the clinton and russia investigation texted to his lover lisa page in the ig report that, quote, we'll stop candidate trump from becoming president. doesn't get any lower than
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that." president trump goes on writing "the ig report is a total disaster for comey, his minions and sadly the fbi. comey will now officially go down as the worst leader by far in the history of the fbi. i did a great service to the people in firing him. good instincts" he says of himself. "christopher wray will bring it back proudly." >> by the way, i've just had information sent to me, alex and jack saying the low point, perhaps it was 1964 when j. edgar hoover sent a letter to martin luther king and said to kill himself or he would have his sex life exposed. maybe lower. >> remember, joe, history started january of 2017. >> and also since it started then donald trump himself will not admit that james comey, who he loathes, is the reason why he's president of the united states. the ig report again for those
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that are just tuning in and for those of you too slow to actually operate household appliances, the bottom line of this report is that james comey and fbi agents held on to evidence of anthony weiner's laptop for a month, said they didn't have time to look at it so they waited a month and then sent that letter ten days before the election guaranteeing that it would destroy hillary clinton's campaign. willie that is, bottom line, if we're looking at what ultimately happened after some text messages were sent, that's what happened and it accrued solely to the benefit of donald j. trump. >> and the ig report, 500 pages of it, goes incident by incident including the july/2016 press conference where it wonders allowed in this report why the head of the fbi is announcing charging decisions that don't belong to him. >> and trashing hillary clinton. >> and trashing hillary clinton
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and then the two letters in the days before the election. they're making the case without saying explicitly that he put his thumb on the scale for donald trump. >> he absolutely did and not just what he did with hillary clinton. there's an e-mail in this report he sent to jim clapper and john brennan, that comey sent on october 5 that is really -- it's kind of hard to read because he talks about why he won't sign his name on to a report or statement from the intelligence community saying the russians are interfering with the election. not a statement saying donald trump's campaign is under investigation. doesn't mention donald trump at all, just a statement talking about russian interference, he won't do it because he thinks it's an october surprise and the american people will react to it unfairly and it would be unfair to the campaign. contrast that to how he acted with hillary clinton sending that letter 11 days before the election. there's no way to justify that. and i think if you step back and say why do these two things happen, why is he worried to stick his thumb on the scale in one direction to help hillary clinton but not worried to stick in the other? because of the pressure he was
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getting from one side. he was getting attacked from republicans on the hill. >> let me say this very quickly. within a month 40% of americans are going to think bob mueller said we need to stop him. that's the scary thing. >> especially if they listen to a couple of whacko voice who don't want the truth to get out there. mike allen, it's pretty remarkable and we heard it after the election that on election day there was only one campaign being investigated. james comey bent over backwards to make sure that nobody heard about the russia investigation because it would be considered an october surprise but he threw the most damaging october surprise in the history of
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modern american politics on hillary clinton's campaign ten days before the election and how donald trump or anybody, giuliani or any of those clowns that are holding press conferences on capitol hill attacking comey as being an agent for hillary clinton, how they can do that with a straight face defies logic. >> and donny is making me feel very self-conscious about my jos a. bank trousers. >> et tu, brutus? mike, we're the people of the people and to jump on this juggernaut of hate, i'm very surprised. >> mike allen, go ahead. >> so i have a prediction for you and exactly because of the circumstances you talk about. you talk to former federal prosecutors, they would tell you they think around september 1 there will be a pause in the comey investigation but hard to
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see how he wraps it up by september 1 and every federal prosecutor in creation except for james comey knows that when somebody is on the ballot and when there are ballot issues you don't keep that investigation live and hot through the fall through the heat of campaigning. >> so why won't donald trump fire bob mueller? i think it's been explained that bob mueller is 14 moves ahead of him. the second he does that, referrals to attorneys general, you have the formerize in not with a sweet plea deal with bob mueller but having to face conspiracy to kidnap from the pennsylvania ag, you have possibly the kushners and others
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being indicted by the new york attorney general. there's a long list of charges that could be brought against a lot of people and they won't be as careful as robert mueller. >> maybe charges brought under seal. i suspect bob mueller has a lengthy plan for what to do if his investigation is shut down that includes copies of evidence stored somewhere else, not just in his office in case the fbi were to come in and seize his files. indictments either ready to go or already filed and just not yet unsealed. there's no good way for him to fire his way out of this problem. you can't fire everyone in the justice department. you need a new attorney general who would not just fire people but go down and say in this case. >> but matt let's underline this point. the worst-case scenario for donald trump is not that federal charges are brought against these people.
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do something that requires mueller that requires his information to state attorneys general. his pardons don't touch the new york state attorney general, his pardons don't touch the illinois attorney general. some of these issues have touched upon them and suddenly donald trump and everybody else is just sitting there waiting to see how long if they get arrested and indicted and tried and charged they're going to jail in a state prison and nobody can pardon them. >> that's true for his associates who have legal problems. i'm not sure it's true for the president himself that he has specific legal problems on a state level that bob mueller could refer out. maybe something related to his
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foundation. but i don't know. >> let me say, donald trump worked a good bit in new jersey and new york state. >> we always heard it would go back there. >> and atlantic city. >> another big development yesterday, new york attorney general barbara underwood filed a lawsuit against president trump, his three eldest children and their charity which alleges the trump foundation engaged in "persistently illegal conduct" claiming trump repeatedly misused the nonprofit organization to pay off his businesses, creditors or pay off one of his clubs to stage a multimillion dollar give away at his 2016 campaign events. the lawsuit alleges they coordinated illegally with the trump campaign on an impromptu fund-raiser in 2016 as trump's gift a fox news debate. >> let's bring in the reporter
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whose articles in the "washington post" helped lead to this lawsuit. david fahrenthold joins us from washington. i've heard there could be civil ramifications for these activities. possible election law violations. trump and his three older children being barred from being on any nonprofit in new york state. what's the bigger challenges that trump and his lawyers are going to be facing. >> well, the immediate one is going to be that trump faces penalties of $2.8 million, possibly more, maybe double that depending on what the judge says to impose so they'll have to fight this in new york state court, fight this lawsuit and as you said fight this idea of a ban so they're thinking about applying a remedy to small time
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scammers, people who scam their breast cancer charity. >> and on his children? >> the ban on him will be ten years and his children one year. they were the directors of the foundation making sure their father didn't spend the money, it turns out the board of directors hadn't met since 1999. >> so when you start using your foundation improperly for a fund-raising events that benefits your presidential campaign in 2016 doesn't that bring up federal election law violations as well? >> the new york attorney general said we exhausted our statutory authority, we don't think we have the authority to bring criminal charges in new york state, with eck bring a civil action and they've referred the same violations to the irs and federal election commission so it would be up to one of them or both of them to look and decide if there will be a criminal action. one key thing in this memo is that if you were a tax lawyer you noticed was this the bar for prosecuting somebody for a tax
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crime is -- it has to be a willful violation. you have to know the law is and break it any way and in this lawsuit yesterday, new york attorney general says trump's violations of the law were willful in this case so she believes it got over the threshold. whether the doj will see it the same way, we don't know. >> david, you track closely the foundation's money during the 2016 campaign. including as mika mentioned the january, 2016, when president trump skipped the debate to hold that veterans event. a televised veterans event. where's the crossover in this lawsuit with that night. >> this actually -- this lawsuit does a good job of getting behind that night so to start out, one of the bedrock things about nonprofit law in the u.s. is that you can't use a tax-exempt nonprofit to help your political campaign and she shows trump handed his nonprofit, his tax-exempt nonprofit over to his campaign then. the nonprofit served as a collection point for the money he raised that night and then
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the nonprofit allowed corey lewandowski, trump's campaign manager, to tell them when are you going to give the money out, to who and what amounts? let's do it on stage with a big check at trump's campaign rally so the foundation by law independent of the campaign became basically one arm of the trump campaign and she spends a lot of time describing how intertwined they work. >> did you ever find where that money went? i know you were trying to track it. >> it took a long time to track it. trump gave out some of it to individual charities, he would go in iowa and give out a big check during the middle of a rally to a local veterans charity but then iowa ended and he stopped giving out money and it took months and badgering from me before we figured out what became of the rest of it. we were told by corey lewandowski, look, trump promised to give away a million dollars of his own money, corey lewandowski said, in may of 2016, trump's giving it away, i can't tell you where it went but trust me, he's giving it away. it turned out that was false. it was only after we raised more
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questions that trump gave it. >> you hear the word foundation, a foundation means other charitable -- i have a million dollars that i want to give away to children. donald trump, you take it and decide how it's going on. so think about what he was doing because it's not a foundation. he was taking other people's money that was meant for children and firefighters and cancer and said i'm going to pay my legal bills. think about the mind that does that. donald trump has been known in new york as the least charitable human being of any wealthy guy. he has never given a dollar of his own money to anybody. i'll give one fact that's never been out there. that foundation money, donald trump's kid went to my kids -- baron went to the same upper west side school, a very privileged school. he gave foundation money as a donation to an upper west side school that is a $50,000 a year tuition school. >> so other people's money that they thought was going to charity. >> he was donating to hiss son's private school, a very
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privileged private school. that's where that foundation money was going. >> basically buying good grades for his kid at the school. >> wow. david fahrenthold, thank you. >> well, know, i'm sure his -- >> not that, he's just not -- >> that's just not where that people thought the money was going to be paid. >> not fair to say. >> really? >> it's just another layer. matt miller, thank you very much. mike allen, thank you as well. >> happy father's day joe and the dads. >> happy father's day, mike and really quickly, i know we've got to go but you've been writing about tariffs and writing about how that's messing up the international order economically. what's donald trump's thoughts about how it's going? >> the president doesn't care about messing up the international order. we call this donald trump's "i mean it" moment. these tariffs he threatened are now going into effect. joe, you know this, there's one thing that trump has been
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consistent about for 30, 40 years, that is he thinks the u.s. is being ripped off. he's been insistent on this. the great oval office scene where he said bring me tariffs to his aides, gary cohn resisted, just bought time, bought time. now time is up. a twist in this, though. our reporting shows if china helps with north korea he could pull it back so there is always with trump a possible exit ramp. speaking of father's day, joe and willie have great insight on their great dads on knowyourvalue.com, thank you for doing those. you can find that and a lot more at this web site that really provides a lot of resources for women especially. still ahead on "morning joe," from the senate judiciary committee, democrat dick blumenthal joins the table. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you've got to get in there, like...
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[ speaking korean ] that is at the 22-minute mark of a 42-minute north korean propaganda video shown on state media showing behind-the-sceneses style footage of kim jong-un in singapore and you saw the president there. is he saluting a general? >> he was, returning the salute, yeah. >> joining us now a member of the judiciary and arms services committee democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. that is a good question willie just asked you in the break. where to begin? your response to the ig report and also rudy giuliani's version of it, response to it. >> we're in the beginning of the renewed assault on the special
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counsel and they're going to use -- >> an aggressive one. >> very, very aggressive and obviously distorting and selective approach those three words, i'll stop it are going to be heard again and again and again and the call by rudy giuliani to imprison peter strzok is part of a concerted campaign which has been continuing to diminish the credibility and legitimacy of the special counsel. but here is one of the most important facts about that report, there is no evidence that whatever that detracts from the critical importance of that special investigation. in bias in the clinton investigation and none, despite 74,000 text messages and all the other bad stuff that should in any way provide an excuse for suspending or ending the special counsel investigation. >> can the special counsel withstand these assaults?
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especially when there is a powerful and extremely forgiving megaphone that they are using through fox and specifically hannity to distort the facts and spread a narrative that perhaps may not reflect the truth about this investigation? >> the special counsel certainly can withstand this assault ifs supported by people who are willing to take a stand and speak out. my republican colleagues among them. we're going to have a hearing on monday about the ig report and i will be very, very interested to see whether my republican colleagues many responsible and concerned about the kind of demagoguery we're seeing out of the white house, they have a responsibility to step forward. now is the time of reckoning.
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>> your former life, attorney general, if somebody had said to you hey, there's a rich guy getting other people's charitable money, taking charitable money he was given and using it for his own personal needs, what would you do as an attorney general? >> i would do what my very distinguished colleague barbara underwood has done. she's a career prosecutor, by the way, not a political appoint qu appointee and i would go to court. you made the point -- a very good one earlier -- that this protection of donor funds is one of the fundamental responsibilities of any state attorney general. the only difference with donald trump's foundation is that the violation of trust is so blatant and big in its magnitude and so really just arrogant in its flouting of trust responsibilities. when people contribute to a
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foundation they are doing it to advance a charitable cause, not the self-dealing or self-interest that donald trump used his foundation to do. >> would you assume you would get jail time for that? >> he would conceivably receive jail time and -- he in a generic sense, someone committing this kind of crime, in the false statements that were made either to the irs or to the federal election commission or to state or federal governments, false statements to any agency or violation of law. >> senator, i want to ask about what's happening on the border, what we see in these images of parents being separated from their children at the border and placed into these detention for facilities for young children and boys and girls. first question to you. jeff sessions and sarah sanders said yes that they're merely following the law. is this the law that parents and children must be separated? >> it is not the law most definitively and emphatically it is not the law and this kind of
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spreading of propaganda and demagoguery is a real disservice to the law. there is no legal requirement that they separate children from their families, it was not done under the previous administration and there are ways to avoid it, among them providing decent legal advice and places for these people to stay so that they are not separated from -- it's inhumane. i've been to the border, i've seen these detention facilities and the harm they're doing is unforgivable and illegal. >> it's a policy attorney general sessions announced on the border where he said you may be separated for your children under this zero-tolerance policy. you've used terms like "hideous, noxious, cruel, antithetical to our values," you say it's a betrayal of american values so what can be done to stop it? we have the information, we're watching the images everyday,
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people are angry and want to know what's being done. >> we have legislation we proposed in the united states senate led by a number of us, including dianne feinstein and others who have been involved for some time. obviously the chances of legislation are slim in the immediate future but some of my republican colleagues are troubled by these images of children ripped away from their parents. i am heartbroken by those images as are -- many of my republican colleagues and the purpose is simply as general kelly has outlined it a tough deterrent. that's his words. >> and your republican colleagues use that argument, that it's a tough deterrent, the ones who support it? >> the ones who support it say that it is a deterrent to immigrants coming to this country. remember, they're coming here to escape murder, torture,
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persecution. if you talk to a number of these people, in fact virtually all of them, they are coming here for the classic reasons that americans welcome. my dad came here in 1935 to escape persecution in germany. he had not much more than the shirt on his back. he spoke virtually no english and this country gave him a chance to succeed. he would be sent back to germany. >> just about all of our families would have a story like that. >> we all have an immigrant story. >> as a matter of fact, my father's first generation here, my grandfather had to send for his wife and children to come here and that -- it does affect us all. another thing that affects us all is that north korea summit was just five days ago. we've seen the tv spectacle come and go and videos come and go,
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what have you seen that we have to look at going forward. >> i think going forward in my world most important for this coming week is to make sure we protect the special counsel and equally so the deputy attorney general because he controls thes per strings, the scope of authority, many of the practical issues that will determine the success of the special counsel's investigation and the image that was on the screen just a short time ago about the guilty pleas, the indictments, the remarkable progress the special counsel has made, i think, should sway all americans to understand that we're talking real crimes, guilty pleas, convictions and potential prison time, this investigation must go forward. >> senator richard blumenthal. thank you and thank you to your father and so many of our dads.
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coming up, the president cut short meetings with allies last week to meet with north korean dictator kim jong-un. the "new yorker's" susan glasser says he could do something similar to nato allies in july in order to meet with vladimir putin. we'll get susan's new reporting on this ahead on "morning joe."
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>> i'm not for russia, i'm for the united states. but as an example, if vladimir putin were sitting next to me at a table instead of one of the others and we were having dinner the other night in canada i could say would you do me a favor? would you get out of syria? would you do me a favor? would you get out of the ukraine? get out of ukraine, you shouldn't be there. just come on. now i think i'd probably have a good relationship with him or i'd be able to talk to him better than if you call somebody on a telephone. i will tell you as an example, if he were at that meeting, i could ask him to do things that are good for the world, that are good for our country, that are good for him. >> it's very interesting, donald trump had that one on one conversation with vladimir putin at the g20 last year when he went off by himself, wouldn't
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let any of his american aides go so they could have a secret conversation. and you foe what happened after that? vladimir putin not only stayed in syria but 20 russians attacked americans and unfortunately for them put themselves right in the line of special special forces gunfire. the crimeans want us there, because donald trump was putin's parrot at the g7 saying, well, you know, crimea, they wanted to be invaded? >> so he stayed in syria, stayed in crimea, stayed in ukraine but for that he gets into the g8. >> i guess that's how that works and he continues if you believe the people that are running the president's intel committee that he appointed that vladimir putin
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is still trying to influence the 2018 campaign and interfere with american democracy. that's happening right now despite the fact that donald trump talked to vladimir putin at the g20 last year. it's very interesting. i'm not sure why putin would listen to him at the g8 when he obviously didn't listen to him -- unless donald trump listened to vladimir putin and that's why he continues to refuse to only criticize two people. vladimir putin and stormy daniels. the only two public figure donald trump has not attacked since being president of the united states. >> powerful people. >> the way you flipped out like that, i got it now. >> sort of an ellory queen episode from 1978. >> columbo. >> does anybody ellory queen? >> president trump gets a second chance for a sit down with vladimir putin. in the words of one administration official, there is no stopping him. we'll explain that next on "morning joe."
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joining us now, staff writer at the new yorker, susan glasser. her later letter from trump washington writes this about the potential of a trump meeting with vladimir putin as early as this summer. quote, negotiations with the kremlin have been under way for weeks. there's no stopping him. the senior administration official familiar with the operation said he is going to do it. he wants to have a meeting with putin, so he's going to have a meeting with putin. >> the remarkable thing, at the beginning of the administration, one of trump's people called and asked me, this is just when the russia news was blowing up at first, hey, we are thinking of having a summit with vladimir putin. this was late january, 2017. my response was, are you kidding me? it has been a singular obsession with donald trump since he's
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been sworn in, isn't it? >> he proposed this to vladimir putin in the famous, do not congratulate phone call, which he congratulated putin. he then invited vladimir putin to the oval office. the white house did not put that out in their initial readout of the phone call. the kremlin announced it to box him in. trump pursued it ever since with all the drama, through the trade war, the rifts with allies. this is something the president made very clear to his team he wants to have happen. you know, while all this other drama has been playing out behind the scenes, they have been negotiating over the venue. putin said, by the warks i don't want to come to washington, according to my source. he said, let's meet in a third party country. first, trump didn't like that idea. now, trump seems to have accepted the idea and will add it on to his europe trip,
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potentially, as mika noted, really, really further upsetting nato allies. it is something you don't do, meet the russian president before you meet the nato allies. after you would have a united front and something to talk about. >> it was clear over the last few days how much president trump enjoyed his summit with kim jong-un, the pageantry of it. i guess my question is, the summit with vladimir putin, does he have a goal or an agenda beyond having another pageant with a world leader? >> well, i think that's the interesting question. you know, the fear among russia in and out of government with whom i spoke is he doesn't have a goal beyond the summit. clearly, trump never let go of the idea of a grand reset in russia relations, a grand new bargain with putin. congress tried to tie his hands on sanctions, but that, of
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course, is top of vladimir putin's agenda. i think trump's advisers, you know, he has real hocks on russia surrounding him and john bolton and mike pompeo. they have a tricky job ahead of preparing him for a summit in the sense putin is going to want things trump is inclined to give and congress isn't going to be happy about it. look how they swallowed the reversal of many other positions. it's not clear to me, what, if anything they would do about a deal putin and trump cut together. >> susan, how concerned do we have to be that after the g7 summit, our allies were concerned about how they were treated. do we have to worry they are concerned about shared intelligence with putin and what they are willing to give up and how we keep ourselves secure? >> look, i think that people should realize that trump's obsession with putin and his
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critique of our allies is not just economic. it's not just his trade tariffs against allies or his tough words with the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau. he is obsessed with the idea on security, our allies are ripping us off. this statement about the g8 and having russia back into it, this is the most pro-putin policy move president trump has made in his year and a half. people haven't focused on it because understandably, there's many other things to focus on. it was a jaw dropper. last friday, actually on this show, when trump came out and said that. it was like a bombshell. where did that come from? i was told by a senior administration source that it came from literally out of the blue. it was never discussed as a policy move inside trump's government. >> a wrecking ball. the new yorker, susan glasser,
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thank you so much. still ahead, the fbi director says nothing in the ig report hurts it bureau's integrity. someone should tell that to rudy giuliani and paul ryan. plus, paul manafort could be in jail by the end of the day if a judge revokes his bail for witness tampering. we'll address all that is at stake. "morning joe" is coming right back. hi.i just wanted to tell you that chevy won a j.d.power dependability award for its midsize car-the chevy malibu. i forgot. chevy also won a j.d. power dependability award for its light-duty truck the chevy silverado. oh, and since the chevy equinox and traverse also won chevy is the only brand to earn the j.d. power dependability award across cars, trucks and suvs-three years in a row. phew. third time's the charm...
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i was very surprised at the size of this crowd. woman: my question is, why hasn't congress started impeachment proceedings given what we know, and they probably know much more. i think that if you speak to congress-people privately, democrats and republicans acknowledge that this is a reckless, dangerous, and lawless president. for them, political safety is what is driving them to sweep it under the rug. if we don't stand up for the basic values of america, if we normalize this behavior, he will continue, and he will push it every single time he gets away with it. i mean, that's sort of the reaction to any bully. it tends to isolate you, and when you meet with other people and listen, you get that sense that you're not the only one who feels that way. well, i'm just grateful that everybody... that i'm not the only one that feels that trump needs to be impeached.
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it's friday, june 15. with us, we have national affairs analyst, john heilemann. >> he's good. >> republican strategist, susan and new york times reporter, michael schmidt. author of "the soul of america: the battle for our better angels," john meachum. president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani is calling on the justice department to suspend special counsel robert mueller's probe and launch an investigation of the investigators. giuliani's statement came after yesterday's unusual silence about the doj report on the
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fbi's investigation of 2016 presidential candidates. hours before ex-trump campaign manager paul manafort heads to court for a bail hearing over witness tampering claims, he pleads not guilty to charges, including fraud and money laundering. giuliani says he speaks for himself. he claimed the report had bearing on mueller's legitimacy. even though mueller removed agent peter struck last summer when he learned of anti-trump text messages to his lover, fbi attorney, lisa paige. >> we supplied 1.4 million documents. who are we supplying to? people who concluded to frame donald trump. agents who started a phony russia investigation. that's the core of this. that's why the investigation should be suspended. i'm talking for myself now, not the president. i believe he would agree with
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this. very serious investigation has to be done of the fbi agents at the very top, by fbi agents, who are honest in order to prosecute them. president trump has said over and over again to me, i did nothing wrong. how could this be? now we know, because these people fixed it. read this, if you are not disgusted and don't demand the justice department begin the investigation and suspend the one of the president and the people tortured by it. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves. that chance comes about tomorrow. it doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow, mueller should be suspended and honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like struck. struck should be in jail by the end of next week. >> rudy giuliani is shaming
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himself, as usual. rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself. rudy giuliani is lying to the american people. rudy giuliani is trashing the entire fbi because of a couple of fbi agents who were fired last year. rudy giuliani is no fool, though he plays one on television. he knows that fbi agents, also during the campaign were trashing hillary clinton in new york. it was a common occurrence. rudy giuliani, unless he's a fool, also knows while barack obama was president of the united states, cia agents regularly trashed barack obama. i know because they trashed barack obama to me. fbi agents did the same. guess what? during the build up to the goal four, you know who the cia agents and fbi agents trashed? george w. bush. you are all acting like such snow flakes. it's as if the prime minister of canada said something mean to you. you are acting like this is the
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first time it's ever happened. a phony investigation. here, let me hold up lots of papers. rudy thinks you are too stupid to not be like, thrown into this tizzy. if you read this, if you read this, i have it written down here, if you read this, you will find out that they have already, in this phony investigation of rudy giuliani have already been 13 russians indicted. that's a hell of a phony investigation. 13 indicted by americans in a grand jury overseen by an american judge. 13 russians indicted. oh, an additional russian indicted. oh, wait. hold on a second. this information i'm reading that you should be blown away by shows that the man that ran donald trump's national security agency, indicted. pled guilty in this phony investigation and is now
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cooperating with federal authorities. but wait. there's more. the man that donald trump said was running his national security team, head of foreign policy, george papadopoulos pled guilty and is cooperating with feds. boy, that's some phony investigation. but wait. there's more. one of donald trump's top campaign managers, during the 2016 campaign has pled guilty. he is now cooperating with authorities. why, that's some phony witch hunt. oh, there's more. paul manafort, the man running the campaign, john heilemann, the man donald trump had to get on board to win the republican nomination is going back into court today. he has been indicted by a grand
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jury of americans, of americans, with an american judge, listing in, been indicted and manafort is going to go to jail today. now, i don't know who is stupid enough to listen to rudy giuliani and believe rudy giuliani, but i'm asking, if you are stupid enough to believe that, ladies and gentlemen, then i'm going to ask my judge to get your phone number and cast you in idiocracy, too. i don't believe there's anybody out there that stupid. >> hannity. >> well, unfortunately, whether you call them stupid or not -- >> you have to be stupid with 20 indictments by americans, american grand juries, you have to be stupid. also, i'm sorry, but didn't the fbi help elect donald trump?
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you know, i think that's the most frustrating thing. the very -- the very breach of protocol of james comey having sent out a letter ten days before when the fbi was sitting on that information 20 days and helped elect donald trump. >> there's no doubt there's an audience out there of americans, other americans who find rudy giuliani's arguments persuasive. there are. we see it in the polling. >> then they are ignorant of the facts. >> i'm not sticking up for them, just making a point. there's no doubt the argument -- the way giuliani reacted, the way the administration is reacting and donald trump will react over the course of the next 24 hours, if not sooner, all of it, the reaction of the report was predictable. >> the reality -- >> of course it is. of course it is. >> they have a responsibility. i had to sift through reports yesterday until i got to the point where the ig -- >> yes.
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>> oh, by the way, the ig found out that comey held the information a month longer than he should have to elect donald trump. >> the biggest take aways from the report, out of 500 pages, the biggest take aways are there's one text message from peter struck we did not know about that donald trump and his allies are going to seize on and talk about all day today which struck said in some tone, which we can't tell, the intent and seriousness, we don't know. >> let me ask you this. this is for the stupid people that actually believe this. i have to say, also, some of you people tweeting yesterday, stop shaming yourself. you are embarrassing yourself. the bottom line of this report was james comey elected donald trump. let me ask you something, if you get a text message from somebody who works for me -- >> i sometimes do. >> okay. and they say -- they say the
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sunrises in the west but you don't get that from me and you know i know the sunrises in the east, are you going to freak out? are you going to call me up and when i actually tell you, yes, the sunrises in the east, are you going to freak out about the people that worked for me in congress? or does what i say matter the most? you actually have the guy running the fbi that threw the election for donald trump, and yet a couple subordinates making out are texting each other stupid, nasty things. >> more than that. it's not that comey -- i don't believe comey's intent was and nothing suggests the intent was to throw the election for donald trump. the reality is -- >> he threw the election for donald trump. >> there's nothing that struck did anything after sending this text to accomplish what he said he was going to accomplish. >> the ig says they have
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absolutely, willie, no documentary evidence, no evidence of any kind. again, if you look -- here is the quote. i know you would love to hear it. i'm going to say it for you. our review did not find evidence connecting the political views of these employees expressed in text messages and instant messages. we reviewed, in fact, if you look at the record, willie, in fact, what happened after those text messages were sent, james comey launched the greatest october surprise in the history of american politics and it ripped to shreds hillary clinton's campaign. >> that is the headline out of the justice department ig report. as john says, as predictable as could get that rudy giuliani in the white house would seize on the texts from paige and struck that shows construction inside
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the fbi and krupcorruption with mueller investigation. when he found out, mueller threw them off the investigation. michael schmidt? >> one quick thing, just to say this. talk is cheap. you know? talk is cheap. how can any investigation in any circumstance we can imagine, people talk. they say stuff all the time. the question here, in this report is, what's the noise? what's the white noise among various employees, various people of the fbi. what was the action? what occurred as opposed to what were people saying? what did comey do as opposed to what trump is -- >> protocol in a way that destroyed hillary clinton's campaign ten days out and everybody knows it. still ahead on "morning joe," in explaining immigration policy, the white house cites the law. the attorney general cites the bible. >> it's interesting, citing the bible. willie, we were just talking about this. other people quoted that verse
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attorney general jeff sessions is looking at the zero tolerance policy. in a speech to law enforcement officers in indiana yesterday, sessions justified the administration's policy of separating children from their parents at the border and cited the bible in his remarks. >> having children does not give you immunity from arrest and prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you won't get prosecuted.
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i would cite the apostle paul to obey the rules of the government. >> i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law that is actually repeated a number of times throughout the bible. however -- hold on, jim, if you will let me finish. i'm not going to comment on the attorney's comments i haven't seen. >> in the bible to follow the law. >> it's not what i said and hard for you to understand, even short sentences. please don't take my words out of context, the separation of legal alien families is the product of the loopholes democrats refuse to close. the laws have been the same on the books for a decade. the president is simply enforcing them. >> the game plan at the white house, we saw there, is one. you lie about what the law is and what the law isn't. two, when questioned about your lies and the misquoting of the
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bible, you insult a reporter, then you quote the bible again. it's interesting jon meachum, you are a biblical similar here. there's so many bible verses that completely contradict the actions of donald trump and his administration. evangelicals know it, if they actually read the bible lately. you could go to luke 17 where jesus says it would be better for mill stones to be hung around their necks and they be thrown to the bottom of the sea if anyone were to cause a little child to stumble. there are literally -- this sermon writes itself. you can even be out in time to have 14 stances of "just as i am" and hit morrison's by 12:05.
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>> nothing like morrison's, the cube jelly. here is just another one from the psalms. this is an elective the attorney general created here. why is the apostle paul invoked here at all? i don't understand it. i believe, firmly, as you know and you do, that you can't separate religion from politics. this is just at a moment when we are just as divided as we are and we are -- the administration has such a hard time with the fundamental issue of accuracy and truth. i would stay as far away from the bible as poszabl potsd-- po.
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>> don't throw jesus under the bus. i believe in strong borders. i want to be tough and stop illegal immigration. like a lot of other people, i don't want little children ripped from their parents arms. i don't want them marched off to, quote, showers. also, on our refugee policy, again, if they are quoting the bible, i'm sorry, but as you say in court, the attorney general opened the door. let us walk through that door that he opened. what is one of the first stories that we are taught in children in sunday school or in vacation bible school? it's the story of the good samaritan. what does jesus say on the sermon on the mount. not loving your friends, even
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sinners do that. love your enemies. that's the central premise of the new testament. if the attorney general wants to open the bible and talk about it, i guarantee you, he's got, jon, a loseing case. >> another one of these big generational questions is going to be what do evangelical -- when evangelical christians who support the president have a reckoning, which they will. they are going to have to ask themselves, was the supreme court worth it? >> yeah. >> was that seat worth it? >> no, it was not. >> that's the bargain they made. they sold their soul for a seat on the supreme court. coming up, if the president believes crimea belongs to russia because they speak russian, does that mean the united states belongs to england? a look back at the developments.
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okay. president trump's lawyer is still talking this morning.
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>> hold on, hold on. it's funny, we were talking before -- >> oh, my gosh. >> about all in the family. >> it's a great headline. that's funny. >> i love jim roth. >> oh, my god. lord. >> donny, you brought up the fact if "all in the family" was shown on tv today, actually, it couldn't be. that show is -- >> 50 years old. >> we have actually gone backward. >> brilliant show, archie bunker a big hit and making fun of that world. it was in this new age of political correctness where we are more incorrect. 50 years later, we are going backwards. >> more than backwards. >> we couldn't show that on tv today. >> no. that started in 1971.
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>> yeah. >> 1971, almost 50 years ago. the point of the racism and the homophobia by archie bunker was to shine a light on it. people don't like context these days, they take it adds face value and say you are a ho homophobe. >> that runs on reruns doesn't it? >> advertisers are afraid. it's amazing when you think about what's going on in this world. >> you can't play red necks by andy newman because he is making fun of red necks using language. if you play it, people are saying, i can't believe you are using the "n" word. >> but our president can do a moral equivalency with nazi's.
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president trump's lawyer is still talking making claims the clinton e-mail investigation was rigged, which is inspector general report does not claim and putting pressure on the justice department and the fbi to purge and imprison investigators. >> the ig report basically tells you both prongs of the mueller investigation are either corrupt or answered. it should become an investigation of comey. those fbi agents who should be fired today and in prison next week. peter struck was running the hillary investigation. that's a total fix. that is a closed book now. total fix. comey should go to jail for that. struck, he holds the press conference reopening the perfect wiener and abedin. that's a challenge for sessions,
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rosenstein and wray. this stuff better be prosecuted now. let's investigate the investigators. >> that's actually a challenge for you, for not being able to tell the truth. speaking of which, here is donald trump outside the white house. >> we'll see what happens. >> michael cohen may cooperate with investigators. are you concern snd. >> i have nothing to do with that. >> mr. president, have you spoken with paul manafort? have you spoken with paul manafort? >> a democratic friend. that's a democratic friend.
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democrats change the plan. >> all right. so, so, willie, that was all a plan. >> yeah. >> a planned walk. >> he tweeted 40 minutes ago. >> megyn kelly from fox when she did the long walk. was that 2012? >> it was good. >> what was that? remember that long walk? >> i remember that walk. >> they were saying mitt romney was going to win. >> he's copying. >> the president tweeting maybe i'll have to make an unannounced trip down to see them. >> you don't think they were there know thg wing this was go happen? >> not at all. let's bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent, ari.
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ari, it's really hard to be surprised nimanymore by what ru giuliani says. he talked about, a couple weeks ago, the president of the united states being able to assassinate jim comey and not be indicted unless he was driven from office. now, he's talking about the imprisoning of jim comey and other fbi agents. on the same day that donald trump's campaign manager is going to be imprisoned, most likely, because of witness tampering. an ig report that shows james comey actually, and the fbi sat on e-mails long enough to actually do the most damage to hillary clinton and help elect donald trump. i don't know where to start. i guess i have to ask, at 8:30, what i asked this morning at
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6:00. who, exactly, is stupid enough or ignorant enough to believe anything that he is saying now? if you actually read or for those who have ears that can hear, the ig report actually shows how comey helped elect donald trump. >> you have been hitting it on the head. there is an increasingly loud chore rus of things coming out f the white house that is typical of a banana republic and the misuse of government resources. the threat, as you say, of violence or jailing or the abuse of the criminal justice process against enemies. some of this already happened, if you look at the targets of officials like andrew mccabe, then you have the rare silence, cat got your tongue mr. president. this long report, he didn't know what to say about it all
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yesterday. they have been waiting for it forever. the president says nothing, until this morning when he retweeted fox and friends six times. that's a lot of retweets for him, which suggests he didn't read the 500 plus page report. it's possible. >> he's a reader, you know. >> high reading skills. >> he doesn't like reading. it's hard for them to get -- >> we know about that from mar than his staff. >> can i ask you lawyer questions. you guys are both lawyers. >> fake ones. >> just focusing on a very specific thing. i think many people from all persuasions find the peter struck message to be troubling. i think a lot of people now, if you look at jim comey's behavior think jim comey made a lot of mistakes. >> clearly. >> hillary clinton mad at him. republicans mad at him.
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it's a bias toward comey than his rectitude than a political party or candidate. when rudy giuliani goes on television saying peter struck should be in jail, jim comey should be in jail. is there a law rudy giuliani could recite for them to be prosecuted? >> for instance, with rudy giuliani, somebody could piece together a case for him obstructing justice, trying to get in the way, sending signals to stop people from testifying against the president. we could make that argument. >> is there a law to cite, that giuliani could cite under which they could be prosecuted? >> no. your question drives a distinction here, criticism of behavior, the preden sudential .
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he could be removed. no crime whatsoever. that goes to the power of words. if i could involve donny deutsche, is that all right with you? >> yes, sir. >> i just want to make sure you are on camera for this. i look at donny and i say, i say this jacket is so loud it makes me want to throttle your neck. if i say that to you, imagine someone said that to you. it might be a rude thing to say. >> i would say it. >> i would take offense. >> in some workplaces, they would say don't talk to donny like that. itis a terribly objectionable jacket. but, that is a long ways from the type of behavior and conduct that would be required to make an assault or battery case. i think that's what's going on with peter struck. he wrote things he shouldn't have, but what's amazing, there weren't findings of misconduct
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or action of fbi activity, based on what he said. >> he was still thrown out. >> the ig could not find evidence there was any, any impact in the investigation. certainly, if you look at it, certainly, again, the end of that investigation had the fbi sitting on e-mails for a month. >> yeah. >> a letter that could not have been timed better for donald trump and steve bannon than it was and the trump campaign knew it. they said it in realtime. this is going to help us win the election. >> all those things are true. this is not about the facts and ins and outs of the report. this is about what trump, the white house and giuliani can do with it. what they have in the 526 pages is focus on texts from five people they believe shows it was a compromised investigation. the thumb was on the scale. this is not correct.
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somehow, for hillary clinton, despite what you laid out. this is softening the ground for what mueller comes up with. >> to go back to the banana republicism, there's a symmetry to rudy giuliani and others around her having yelled lock her up to yelling lock up peter struck and comey. they do the same thing over and over again. go to imprisonment of our foes. while they have yelled that, the only person, today, looking at getting locked up in a valid legal process is paul manafort, who may move from two ankle bracelets to pretrial investigation. >> at the same time, mika, they were chanting lock her up, you had one general who would become donald trump's national security adviser who was saying anyone who pleaded the fifth or anybody
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being investigated by the fbi was obviously guilty. you also had the spokesperson, the current spokesperson, sarah huckabee sanders talking about the investigations against hillary clinton, as evidence per se, of her guilt. flip it around. it's all true about donald trump now. >> a russian investigation going on by the fbi before the election but never surfaced. >> comey didn't want that to surface. he said it would be tipping the scales of the election. >> and we have children locked up at the border. paul rayyan hasn't paid atn to the scandals involving e.p.a. administrator, scott pruitt. if he missed the pruitt scandals, he gets another chance this morning. two more are breaking right now. that is next on "morning joe." you're headed down the highway
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house speaker paul ryan says he hasn't heard much -- >> how could he? how could he. he's the third ranking officer in america. >> the scandal is engulfing e.p.a. administrator, scott pruitt. ryan was asked about the controversies during the week at a news conference yesterday. take a listen. >> frankly, i haven't paid that close attention to it. i refer you to the overseas e.p.a. i'm glad with the regulatory position they have taken. i don't know enough about what pruitt has or hasn't done to comment. >> john heilemann, how does any human being say that and keep a straight face? >> well, obviously, it's a lie. you know, i guess you could take
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the posture i'm retiring and focused on wisconsin matters, i don't watch television. if you are going to find another way to talk about it, at least if you don't want to comment, there's something better than my head is in the sand and i'm out to lunch. it looks like a lie. he looks like an idiot. >> why would he lie? >> i don't know. they all lie. >> they are not running for re-election, corker, flake, gowdy. >> not paul ryan. >> paul ryan not running, but not liberated to speak the truth. much has been made of the numerous investigations, the work he is doing, scott pruitt, as e.p.a. administrator. he is expected to send president trump a detailed proposal to scale back an obama era regulation for water pollution. it is widely expected to be one
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of the agencies most significant rollback efforts. pr pruitt and the agency expected to gut an obama era rule to reduce climate warming pollution from vehicle tail pipes. pruitt celebrated this. >> where is he sitting? >> a birthday prez sesent to th president. >> that's the e.p.a. administrator in the big chair. >> think paul ryan didn't see that? >> another piece on pruitt. for aides life is part of the job. the times reports senior staff members frequently felt pressures by pruitt to help in personal matters and do special favors for his family according to to interviews for current officials who served as aides to pruitt. mr. pruitt, who had a clear sense of entitlement in the words of one of them indicated
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he expected matters outside the per view of government. aides also told the paper that pruitt made it clear he had no hesitation in stature of a cabinet member to solicit favors for himself. he expected a certain kind of living. what? >> it takes you to the ritz-carlton lotion. >> the new headline from "the washington post" that pruitt and his family received rose bowl tickets from an energy pr. >> joining the table, ceditor fr women's website, bustle. >> going to star in the reboot of "single white female" with mika. mika didn't understand the reference. >> i haven't seen it. >> you haven't seen any of "the
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g godfathers" either. >> paul ryan says he doesn't want to weigh in on pruitt and children being separated from parents, he said you need a piece of legislation to make sure that stops happening. that is simply untrue. this has stemmed from trump policy that could be overturned tomorrow and we could reunite these children with their parents, but he's acting as if you need legislature to make it possible. he knows it is not true. >> why do you expect this of paul ryan? he is a guy leaving town. >> what is he afraid of? >> it comes down to a question of how you define legacy so for some legacy can be defined by policy. he could have taken this opportunity to go through something like immigration reform. instead, it seems based on what we have seen this week, the maneuvering around immigration, he is trying to preserve a
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political legacy y his caucus gets re-elected and remain in power. it's the only possible explo nation. he has nothing left to lose. look at the legislation. there's the good legislation which republicans aren't going get behind and the compromised legislation among republicans. it takes dreamers, this would have been the sixth anniversary of daca. they are using dreamers as leverage for things like slashing illegal immigration and spending more money on border security. >> we have asked a couple democrats, we had senator blumenthal on and said what can be done to stop what's happening with the pictures we are seeing from the border day in and day out. he shook his head and said we can't get anything through. without the republicans, we can't get anything done. it's a tough deterrent.
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they like what is happening in that new policy on the border. >> to echo the analysis, paul ryan did say he is against this, as if he's just some random person in the comment section of an article. he is the speaker of the house. if he's against it, do something about it. this is not an ideological issue. because donald trump is not an ideological president, but egotistical one, it's why some republicans at least said the right thing that you don't want to use child abuse and childhood trauma as a tool of u.s. government policy. that's not something the american government stood up and said was a goal for a very long time. you have to go back to another era. here we are. this is what is happening. >> it points to your question before. the reality, paul ryan, back when he was a staffer in the house was one of the guys for trying to figure out a humane,
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sensible immigration reform. his whole history has not been on restrictionist but moderate republican side. going back to his time as a staffer and a few years ago, he was in that category. how is he now in this position with all the political freedom in the world defending this policy? it makes no sense other than to think he has been hollowed out in some way at the core of his character and being. >> i really don't know what else it could be. i mean, unless they are threatening him in some way. i have to ask because we really, we do know him. this was a good man. it's staggering to me, but incredibly depressing. here is -- sorry. >> who are we tossing to? oh, president trump. good this is him on "fox and friends," talking about the ig report.
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>> i would bet if you took a poll in the fbi, i would win that poll by more than anybody's ever won a poll. but, the top people were horrible. you look at what happened. they were plotting against my election. probably has never happened like that in terms of intelligence, in terms of anything else. but they were actually plotting against my election. >> the headline right now -- >> but i'm actually proud because i beat clinton dynasty. >> right. >> i beat bush dynasty. and now i guess hopefully i'm in the process of beating very dishonest intelligence. >> the headline right now from "the wall street journal," doj/clinton report blasts comey and agents but finds no bias. >> the end result was wrong. there was total bias. when you look at peter strzok and what he said about me. when you look at comey, all his moves. i guess, you know, it's interesting, it was a pretty good report. and then i say that the ig blew it at the very end with that statement. because when you read the report, it was almost like comey. he goes point after point about
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how guilty hillary is and then he said but we're not going to do anything about it. the report, the ig report, was a horror show. i thought that one sentence of conclusion was ridiculous. the democrats by the way are very weak on immigration. if you notice when i came over, they were all saying about separating the families. and that's a democrat bill. that's democrats wanting to do that and they could solve it very easily by getting together but they think it's a good election point. >> a lot of lives there. >> that's objectively untrue. >> that's absolutely untrue. the trump administration policy. and you just heard the president of the united states calling the ig report a horror show. he's milling around reporters right now after appearing on fox and friends. and spreading lies. >> all i would add -- >> there's no other way to put it. >> michael more yo horowitz, in
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releasing a part early to deny andrew mccabe his family pension, that's never been done in that way before, that was all pursuing trump tweets. then you see you get blasted by him anyway on national tv the day after the report. it's always a lesson about trying to meet halfway with donald trump. >> and on immigration, you know, look at this legislation, look at what republicans are proposing in the way of people being able to bring their family to the united states. it tells you everything you need to know about where they stand on family integration. >> so that was the president of the united states just moments ago. lying to reporters and the american people. alicea menendez, thank you very much. lying once again, i should say. up next, we'll try to sum up the week that was. "morning joe" is coming right back. it was here.
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having children does not give you immunity from arrest and prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you won't get prosecuted. i would cite you to the appoost paul and his clear command to "obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes." >> it is very biblical to enforce the law. these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade. >> -- can you imagine what the children are going through? >> because it's the law. the laws are the ones that have been on the books for over a decade. it's not a policy change to
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enforce the law. we are going to enforce the law. we are enforcing the law. >> please don't lie to the american people. it was not true when sarah sanders said there is a law requiring immigrant families to be separated at the border and it still wasn't true when she repeated it a half dozen times. that policy belongs to the trump white house. and as "the washington post" describes it, any claim otherwise is, quote, violently divorced from reality. as we wrap up this friday edition the "morning joe," a quick look back at the week that was. if we can even try and put it into words. we learned from "the washington post" that a bored president trump demanded to his aides that they push up the timing of the carefully orchestrated singapore summit. saying, quote, we're here now, why can't we just do it? there was still plenty of time to meet and greet military officers responsible for north korea's oppressive regime. even saluting generals. to watch north korean state
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television, which the president views as more favorable to kim jong-un than fox news was to him. perhaps trump overlooked the fact they would be quickly killed for not supporting the dear leader. he was impressed with the dictator's bodyguards, wondering aloud if they could take on his chief of staff, marine general john kelly. it all followed the president's campaign to readmit russia to the g-7, noting the people of crimea probably wanted to be taken over by vladimir putin since they share a common language. for his 72nd birthday, the president was gifted a new water regulation by his embattled epa administrator, complete with this oval office photo open that will likely be news to paul ryan who apparently doesn't follow what scott pruitt is up to. and rudy giuliani, the president's legal representative, called for an american citizen to be locked up, despite not being charged with a crime.
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so before we go, does anyone want to try and add some final thoughts to that? >> well, that was fun. >> it's not not fun. >> uplifting week. >> scott pruitt does capture a lot, in that he both wants the fancyist lotion, but doesn't want to help anyone have clean water. that's a real balance to that. >> i think the spokesman -- is citing law, which is false, but even if there was a law justifying taking babies out of mother's arms in the united states and putting children in camps. this is us. this is the united states we're talking about. >> i think the best thing we can do to end the show today is to quote the president. and something he just said moments ago that really sums up everything we've seen this week. willie. >> you just mentioned the president's affinity for kim jong-un. he just said in an interview moments ago. he called him a strong leader and said the following, quote,
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he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. president trump talking about kim jong-un. >> wow. >> oh, mr. president, you have our attention. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. quite a lot of breaking news this morning. starting with president trump. blasting the fbi leadership on his way to an impromptu visit to his favorite morning show. after a scathing inspector general report calls jim comey insubordinate. while at the same time saying political bias did not, you heard me there, did not play a role in the lead-up to the 2016 election. >> that was the most biased set of circumstances i've ever seen in my life. honestly, to read it was very sad. >> and while the president calls it a witch hunt, former trump campaign manager paul manafort arriving in court any moment now.

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