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attention some evil guy jacked his groceries. when the officer heard the man could not afford to buy more grea groceries, guess what? she did. there you go. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. katy tur standing by to pick things up. i'll see you tomorrow morning on today. >> i have nothing nice to say about that thief and everything nice to say about that officer. what an amazing story. >> there is goodness in the world. we don't get to highlight a lot of it, but there is a lot of goodness. >> happy to hear it. craig melvin. i'm going to give a commencement speech this weekend. >> where are you going to do this commencement speech? >> uc santa barbara. my college. i am an alumni. >> good luck. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington, d.c. where the president's campaign chairman is now going to jail and the president himself had a really tough time with the truth this morning. more on manafort in a moment. but first let's get to the
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facts. in an unprecedented appearance on the white house lawn, the president spoke to reporters at fox news for 58 minutes. in that time he lied or misled the american public at least 19 times. case in point -- paul manafort. >> manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. he work for ronald reagan. he worked for bob dole. he worked for john mccain -- or his firm did. he worked for me what? 49 days? a very short period of time. >> nothing do with the campaign? he was actually there for 144 days as campaign chairman. donald trump hired paul manafort at the most crucial point of his campaign at a time when donald trump thought he would lose the nomination, at a time when he believed the party would take away his delegates. he turned to paul manafort to save his campaign. >> the report yesterday, maybe more importantly than anything, it totally exonerates me.
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there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. if you read the ig report, i've been totally exonerated. >> the report focused on the fbi's handling of the clinton investigation in the lead-up to ot election. not -- not -- not the russia investigation! it did not address collusion. it did not exonerate the president. >> i feel badly for general flynn. he lost his house. he's lost his life. and some people say he lied and some people say he didn't lie. i mean really it turned out maybe he didn't lie. >> some people say he lied. the president said he lied. he tweeted that he fired flynn because he lied. he lied to the vice president and flynn himself pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. >> -- a democrat bill. that's democrats wachnting to d that. i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change
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that law. the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it. >> but there is no law that says families have to be separated at the border. >> the democrats gave us the laws. >> it is not democratic law. it is a policy put in place by the current administration. it was introduced in a speech by president trump's own attorney general. the democrats are the minority party. republicans -- republicans -- control the house, the senate and the white house. >> president obama lost -- pardon me, just so you understand. president obama lost crimea. it's his fault. yeah, yeah, it's his fault. because putin didn't respect president obama. >> russia annexed crimea in 2014. president obama did not "lose it." russia took it by force. a reminder, that is why the g8 became the g7. and that was just 4 of the 19
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lies or misleading statements made by the president this morning. so our big question is -- why are republican leaders okay with the president of the united states lying? nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. she was one of the reporters who spoke with the president this morning. ashley parker, white house reporter for "the washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. and eli stokols is a white house reporter for the "l.a. times" and an msnbc political analyst. kristen, let's start with you. the president wasn't done. he's tweeting about paul manafort right now. >> it was a remarkable morning, katy, there's no doubt about that. and it did start off with the president saying that that doj ig report yesterday exon ratera him. as you rightly point out, it doesn't exonerate him. it only comments on the way the
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fbi handled the clinton investigation. paul manafort's bail has just been revoked. he says, wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort who has represented ronald reagan, bob dole and many other top political people in campaigns. didn't know manafort was the head of the mob. what about comey and crooked hillary and all of the others? very unfair. katy, this echoes the tone that we heard from this president when he was talking to us here behind where i am standing right now. he was unleashed. he was on the attack. really trying to, i think, change the narrative from these images that we're seeing, paul manafort heading back to court. the fact that it is bringing the russia probe back into the headlines on this friday after, by the way, he's just returning from singapore, that summit with kim jong-un. so president trump trying to redirect the headlines today. but again, lashing out at just about everyone else. those who he perceives to be his political enemies, including hillary clinton and the former
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president. >> or those who might be liabilities, including his campaign chairman, paul manafort. eli. campaign chairman, paul manafort. there for much longer than the president wants to claim he was there for. there, as you know well, during the most critical time of the campaign. >> right. through the republican national convention where the platform of the rnc was changed regarding russia and crimea. as we reported, manafort continued to stay in contact even after he stepped aside from the campaign through the end of the campaign and into the transition. so the president trying to sort of have it both ways, telling reporters today i don't even know paul manafort, he wasn't really around very often. then in that tweet saying this isn't fair, sort of claiming manafort is on his side and saying if he's going to jail, why not my political enemies? for anybody who says this president is incapable of empathy -- that's been said many times -- we should note, very empathetic this morning to manafort and to general mike
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flynn, two people who have been caught in this criminal probe. he does seem to have empathy for people who have been convicted of crimes given the spate of pardons and ongoing investigations. >> how did the president come away from that ig report and declare that he was completely exonerated in the russia investigation? >> well, this is a president, as you have and we have reported, picks and chooses the facts that he likes and uses them to make a case that is not always based in fact and accuracy in reality, or the truth. so that ig report was pretty devastating in a lot of ways for the fbi, but not for the reasons he's claiming. it had of course nothing to actually do with the investigation into his campaign ties to russia. or in to mueller's probe. but this is a president who sees this less as an actual litigation of facts and more as an exercise in branding. so if you are someone who is training the country and training your base through
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public comments and tweets and private comments to believe that all of this is a witch hunt, you can sort of cherry-pick something that doesn't necessarily look great for the fsh and throw it all on top. so to answer your question, that's kind of how he did it. >> the other thing he was talking about, the democrats, he's blaming the democrats, peter, for what's going on at the border, this family separation claiming that it's all them, they're the ones responsible, they're not signing on to prevent this from happening. >> well, that's right. he was reminded, of course, that the republicans do control both houses of congress. they are the ones who control the agenda. they are the ones who control what gets on the floor. his point in return was we need 60 to get anything passed in the senate. we don't have 60 therefore we need the democrats. the democrats will point out they actually have a bill they put forward to end any -- bar any family separation that's been sponsored by 30 democrats. so if in fact 60 is the necessary number, then there are already certainly enough
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democrats to do that if the president wanted to. what he then followed up with was another tweet that said if they were going to pass a law like that, it had to include all of his priorities on immigration, things that the democrats wouldn't go along with, like full funding for his border wall, ending the current legal immigration system and overhauling that in a way that's a matter of some debate. it is in fact not a situation where the democrats can simply say today, hey, let's change that family separation policy and two go away. that's a very distorted view of how things work right now in washington. >> peter, you've been at this the longest. you covered a number of presidents. have you ever seen a scenario where the man in the white house just so freely goes on television to reporters, to anyone, and just doesn't the tell truth and over again and people from congress in that person's own party just sit there and are silent about it. it seems unusual. >> unusual is one word for it.
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absolutely, no question. look, we have learned in a year-and-a-half, this president is not like his predecessors in many ways. one way he's not like them is his very free-wheeling variance of the facts, as ashley said. they are misleading, at least. sometimes outright distortions, incorrect, inaccurate, false. some people use the word lie. whatever word you want to use, he says a lot of things that are simply not true. "the washington post," ashley's paper, has documented up to more than 3,000 public statements he's made since taking office that are factually not true. do politicians lie? do politicians say things that are not true? of course, many do. but i don't think we could see very many examples where you had the proliferation of so many false and inaccurate statements as we see it here. >> the "washington post" has been keeping track of it. it is over 3,000. i think that boils down to about 6 1/2 lies or misleading
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statements a day. it wasn't just the things he said this morning that were just patently not true. it was also some of the other things he said that were, frankly, outrageous. listen to this. >> did you dictate the statement about donald trump jr.? >> let's not talk about it. you know what that is? it is irrelevant. it is a statement to the "new york times," the phony, failing "new york times." just wait a minute -- wait a minute. that's not a statement to a high tribunal of judges. >> -- spoke so passionately about the circumstances that led to otto warmbier's death. in the same brekt you aath you' defending kim jong-un's human rights record. how can you do that? >> you know why? because i don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family. he is the head of a country. he is a strong head. he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> donald trump is talking about kim jong-un there.
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he said he was joking about it but you note in your "washington post" article this morning that when he was in singapore he looked at the television watching north korean state-run tv, looked at the anchor and was praising her for how glowing she spoke of kim jong-un. said she was even nicer to him than fox news was to donald trump. >> that's exactly right. i should say that this was described to us as the president sort of joking about this. but it is nonetheless a window into how he thinks and what he likes. they only have state-run tv in north korea and the president by all accounts was kind of struck by that. he could see that this state-run tv anchor was lavishing praise on kim and he kind of liked that. now he was maybe joking when he said she should come and work for fox and get a job in the u.s. but there is a sort of grain to truth that the president, as we know, likes fawning news coverage. that's no secret and that's why he goes on fox and that's why he watches fox. that's something he sort of
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admired in the north korean society. >> eli, it's no secret that he doesn't like the press. >> no, it's no secret at all. truth is one of these things that is fundamental to a democracy. most presidents who havenbattleh the press have at least had some baseline respect for the importance of a free press in a democracy. you just don't see that with this president. i think that lines up with some the other things the more anti-democratic value statements that we're hearing from the president this morning, not just the commentary about north korea and the media and the way people sit up at attention when kim jong-un speaks. but also the statement about russia and crimea. the president had very strong opinions about it being president obama's fault that he showed weakness with syria. that sent a message to putin. that's why putin annexed crimea. but there was no value statement about putin's actual action of invading crimea. and that is one of the things that sort of drifts away from a democratic values-based foreign policy that is another unique factor to this president and this administration.
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>> eli stokols, peter baker, kristen welker, ashley parker. ashley, have a good weekend. everyone else as well. but ashley, have you a good weekend. >> coming up -- the president is not telling the truth. >> there was no obstruction and if you read the report, you'll see that. again, fact check -- not true. congressman jim jordan joins me next.
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inspector general who's tasked with examining the way the fbi handled the clinton e-mail probe. somehow though -- who knows how -- the president twisted that to say the report exonerated him in the russia investigation. >> i think that the report yesterday maybe more importantly than anything, it totally exonerates me. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. and if you read the report, you'll see that. >> republican congressman jim jordan represents the state of ohio. he's also member of oversight and reform committee. congressman, thank you so much for being here. >> you bet. >> our big question today was, why is republican leadership so okay with the president lying. i know you're not in leadership, per se, but i want to ask you -- or are you okay with the president lying? >> you're talking about the inspector general's report, page 421, they say we do not have confidence that peter strzok's decision was free from bias. if that doesn't criticize the
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central player in this entire narrative, peter strzok, the guy who ran the clinton investigation -- >> hold on. congressman, come on. i didn't ask you about peter strzok. i asked you about the president lying. answer that question and we can get to peter strzok. we can get there, i promise. answer my question first. >> you asked me about the president -- >> no, i did not. are you okay with him lying. i'm -- come on, congressman. let me ask you one question and answer it then we can get to peter strzok, i promise. i'm talk being about the president lying and it goes beyond the ig report. he says the whole thing exonerates him in the mueller investigation. it does not touch on that, number one. number two, he talks about the democrats are to blame for the policy, na policy of separating families at the border. he says the fbi stormed into cohen's offices. the fbi conducted a raid. cohen had prior knowledge of this happening. there's so many other things that i can say that he said this morning, he lied and misled the public 19 times.
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i'm not just talking about the ig report. my question again is -- my question again is, are you okay with the president lying? >> relative to the ig report -- you want me to answer that question first. relative to the ig report, the central players, peter strzok, lisa page on the russia investigation, on the clinton investigation, also on mueller's team. peter strzok said that inspector general said we do not have confidence his decisions were made free of bias. we know the bias he had. they despise the president. we know that. lawyer number two, fbi lawyer number two on the clinton investigation, on the -- primary lawyer on the russia investigation, also put on mueller's team. to say that there wasn't any bias there and that these people ran the right kind of investigation? that's the take-away from yesterday's ig report. they did not. it is clear as can be. so yes, that has an impact on this whole russia investigation and of course that's what the president was conveying in his
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comments earlier this morning. >> leave that aside. we will get back to it again. are you okay with the president going out there and saying that paul manafort had almost nothing to do with his campaign? >> i think the president was speaking in general terms. he was chairman for a while. >> 144 days. he was there longer than kellyanne conway, than steve bannon. >> katy, you know it was a long campaign. i read your book. you were with him for like two years. >> yeah. and i know what paul manafort was brought on to do. paul manafort was brought on to save the campaign. he was an integral player at the most critical time of the campaign. >> you said the president wasn't being square when he said paul manafort had nothing to do with the campaign. true. what did the president say next? he said he was only my campaign chairman for -- >> 44 days he said. it was actually 144 days. >> he exaggerated a little bit on that. fine. >> exaggerated! that's a big exaggeration. >> the point was, paul manafort was chairman of his campaign for a while. wasn't chairman for the whole time. it was a two-year campaign. you were there for all two years
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of it. i read your book where you chronicled following the campaign for all that time. look, that's the point i think he is trying to make. how about we focus on things that have been good for the country. by anyone's definition, the last year-and-a-half has been -- taxes are down, the economy's up, unemployment is at its lowest, gorsuch is on the court. we're out of the iran deal. the hostages have come home. the embassy's in jerusalem. that's a pretty good year -- >> a lot of folks would say getting out of the iran deal was a bad idea. a lot of people would say the tax plan is actually going to end up raising taxes in the long run but it was ultimately much more beneficial for the wealthy and for corporations than it was for regular people. there's a lot of difference of opinion to what you are saying. i want to focus more on what the president and why the republican par party, including you, are okay with the president lying? that's what i'm baseically
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getting from this. >> why do you focus on paul manafort was onl my campaign chairman for a while. ? >> i'm focused on all of the lies because the president walks outside or gets on twitter every day and he lies. >> aren't you nervous about -- >> he lies! "the washington post" has been tracking it. over 3,000 lies. over 6 1/2 lies or misleading statements a day! how are you okay with the president not telling the truth so consistently, congressman? >> how are you okay with the fbi taking opposition research document to a secret court to get a secret warrant to spy on a fellow american and not telling the court who paid for the document -- >> that was not -- you can't pull the wool over my head. that was documented from the evidence that we have seen and from the paperwork we have seen. not the version the republicans put out of that memo. that was actually in the document. it was in there. let's move back to the ig report
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and you're talking about peter strzok. you're taking a line from the report talking about peter strzok saying under these circumstances we do not have confidence that strzok's decision to prioritize the russia investigation over following up on the mid year related investigative lead discovered on the wiener lab top was free from bias. that's one line you are taking from it. if you keep reading in the same paragraph, just keep reading, you wi you'll see we searched for evidence that the wiener lap tap was deliberately placed on the back burner by the fbi to protect clinton but found no text messages or documents that suggest an improper purpose. we also took note of the fact that numerous other fbi executives including the prxly 39 who participated in the september 28th svtc were briefed on the potential existence of the e-mails on the wiener laptop. we also noted that the russia investigation was under the supervision of prestap with whom
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we found no evidence of bias. that's no bias! this is the ig saying no bias. peter strzok was not in charge of the mueller investigation. the russia investigation. priestap was. not peter strzok. secondly, congressman, i know you are looking at this and saying that peter strzok is a bad guy and this means that the mueller investigation shouldn't go forward, but let's pull it back here. hillary clinton benefited from all of this. not -- i mean was hurt from all this. donald trump benefited from all of this. hillary clinton was the won who lost the election. if peter strzok wanted to stop donald trump, they didn't do anything to stop donald trump from winning the election? >> we got to unpack a lot of things in there. first, katy, peter strzok said down play the wiener thing -- laptop. wait on that. let's focus on russia. so his motive was russia, not looking at -- keeping the clinton information, don't worry about that, not a big deal.
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that was the attitude, that was the motive he had. why? because had he this animus to president trump. return when we learned yesterday in this report, "we'll stop trump." when was that text message? august 8. remember what happened july 31st. peter strzok opens up the counterintelligence investigation into trump russia. eight days later he says what? "we'll stop trump." >> the counterintelligence investigation by lead by priestap. secondly, if he wanted to stop donald trump, why did this not come out before the election if they were trying to stop donald trump, why did this not come out before the election? the wiener laptop issue came out on october 28th. >> you know why? >> october 28th. that was a -- that was a big deal for the clinton campaign. i can tell you, congressman, because i was there. i was there. and it re-energized donald trump's campaign. >> you thought clinton was going to win. >> you read my book!
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you should know that i didn't think clinton was going to win. you read my book! i thought donald trump was going to win. >> not until the last few days. >> you would know that i turned to my producer and i said, donald trump is going to win after that clinton thing came out. you would know that i called my producers here at nbc every day and i said, this guy's got a chance, congressman. you would know that i was not one of the people saying hillary clinton was going to win. >> all right. katy. so, everyone thought clinton was going to win. even comey said that. that's why he did it. he said he thought this would save her presidency down the road so everyone thought she was going to win. that's why the clinton information comey was willing to bring up. i disagreed with him. i criticized him at the time and took heat from my fellow republicans. i thought jim comey screwed this thing back up from the get-go. i was against him the whole time because i thought he did everything wrong and i took heat from republicans in october for saying that. one thing that is clear about the report yesterday is jim
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comey screwed up the whole thing. that came out loud and clear. they didn't follow normal procedures, normal practices. that's the big take-away as well as this one text message. "we'll stop trump." not, "we'll stop russia." "we'll stop trump." why did they not show that to us ahead of time? why did rod rosenstein keep that under wraps and not give it to congress? that's a question we'll have for mr. rosenstein in a couple weeks. >> again, this all started with a question by me asking you why you're all okay with the president lying. thank you. the president's former campaign chairman is going to jail. just hours ago a u.s. district judge in washington revoke paul manafort's bail. this after special counsel robert mueller filed new charges accusing him of witness tampering last week. last hour the president responded to the news with this tweet. "wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort who has
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represented ronald reagan, bob dole and many other top political people and campaigns. didn't know manafort was the head of the mob. what about comey and cookrooked hillary and all of the others? very unfair. the response is a strong one considering this morning trump lied to distance himself from paul manafort. >> manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. but i feel a little badly about it. they went back 12 years to get things that he did 12 years ago. paul manafort work for me for a very short period of time. he worked for many other republicans. he work for me what? for 49 days or something? very short period of time. joining me now, nbc's ken dilanian. chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and joyce vance. ken, first what went down in court today? >> katy, the judge ruled in
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favor of the prosecution motion to revoke paul manafort's bail in connection with this alleged witness tampering that they say he committed back in february. they also indicted him for obstruction of justice on those charges and he pled not guilty today. but the judge ruled that because of that indictment, because a grand jury found probable cause to believe that paul manafort had committed that crime, she had to accept that. that was the standard. then she had to decide, does that mean is he a danger to the community? she ruled, yes, in fact he is a danger to the community. not in the sense of committing violence, but he is a threat to the justice system. he was corruptly trying to influence witnesses, she found, or probable cause to believe that. then she went to the question is there anything i can do short of putting him in jail that would deter this conduct? she decided no. at one point she says this isn't middle school. i can't take your phone away. he was already on an ankle bracelet and $15 million bail. bottom line, paul manafort is in the custody of the federal marshals right now.
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i hear they're remanded to washington, d.c.'s jail, which is a rough place. that means this man who's known for his $7,000 suits is going to be sleeping in a concrete cell tonight, katy. >> chuck, what happens next? >> there's a whole bunch that's going to happen next to paul manafort. right? he has two trials ahead of him. one in alexandria, virginia and one in d.c. i guess it is possible that his attorneys will move a court of appeals to look at the judge's decision on revoking his bond. i think the odds of them succeeding are extremely small. here's the problem, katy. when he was released on bond the first time, a condition -- a mandatory condition was that he not violate any federal, state or local law. and he committed another crime, as ken just explained. so the judge almost had no choice at all. she did the right thing and what she did is not the least bit surprising to me. >> joyce, how much pressure could this potentially put on paul manafort to cooperate with
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mueller? and is this the goal for bob mueller to get him to cooperate? >> i think people need to understand that prosecutors typically don't take an action like this with some sort of a goal-oriented outcome in mind. what happened was that paul manafort, who was on release pending trial, committed new crimes, and he happened to commit that in a way that was very obvious to prosecutors, that evidence was brought to them by one of the gentlemen who manafort tried to convince to testify in a way that wasn't necessarily truthful. so prosecutors did the right thing. they took prompt action to indict manafort for this new and additional crime. it may well have some collateral effect of making manafort more interested in talking to the government. but, frankly, he has not shown any interest in cooperating up until now. and perhaps won't until one of these trial dates is right up on him and he begins to understand in a more realistic way what his future looks like. >> chuck, the other news that
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came out today -- or late last night was michael cohen filing a restraining order against michael avenatti, stormy daniels' lawyer, trying to get him from -- trying to get him to stop talking to the press, saying that it will deny him eventually, if it comes to it, a fair trial. there's been some news that's been denied by the courts in california. try to explain -- or can you explain to me what sort of case cohen's lawyers were hoping to make here with avenatti? >> well, his emergency motion, katy, was denied. i imagine the court could still hear it on its merits. what mr. cohen was trying to do -- and it makes sense to me -- is to prevent people, like mr. avenatti, from talking publicly and often about a case in which mr. cohen is a party. most federal courts -- i think all federal courts -- have local rules, and almost all of those local rules say that parties in a case ought not talk about the case publicly. courts take very seriously the
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idea that everyone gets a fair trial. that's what mr. cohen was trying to achieve. i don't blame him. i imagine the judge will eventually hear this on its merits. >> there's also this, joyce, it just came over. "the "new york daily news" tweeting about rudy giuliani telling him that things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons when the whole thing is over in light of paul manafort being sent to jail. >> no huge surprise that people on the president's team continue to dangle pardons in front of potential defendants, in front of participants in this entire scheme who could give testimony that could be harmful to the president or his family. but it is appalling, and it is really important, i think, katy, that we take a step back here and think about the fact that the president, through his lawyer, is now telling people that he will use one of the most important a krchcrements, issui
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pardons in exchange for favorable consideration for people facing federal charges. today the president blamed democrats for the policy separating families at the border. again. >> do you agree with children being taken away from -- >> no, i hate it. i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that's their law. fact check -- not true. that's next. (birds tweeting) this is not a cloud. this is a car protected from storms by an insurance company that knows the weather down to the square block. this is a diamond tracked on a blockchain - protected against fraud, theft and trafficking. this is a financial transaction secure from hacks and threats others can't see. this is a patient's medical history made secure - while still available to their doctor at their fingertips.
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new ensure max protein. in two great flavors. president trump once again tried to plame democrats for his administration's family separation policy. >> that's a democrat bill. that's democrats wanting to do that. >> i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that's their law. the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it. >> but there's no law that says families have to be separated at the border. there is another way to go about it, mr. president. >> to be clear, this is a lie. family separation is not a result of a law passed by democrats. it is a result of this administration's zero tolerance policy on illegal border crossings. a policy that results in stories like this. "the washington post" writes of one woman who says border patrol agents told her, quote, you will
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never see your children again. families don't exist here. you won't have a family anymore. cnn reported that in mcgowan, texas, a baby was ripped from her mother's arms as she was breastfeeding. the mother was handcuffed as she struggled to hold on to her infant. the center for border control called that allegation unsubstantiated. and this picture of a toddler sobbing while her mother's searched by law enforcement near the border. look at that. now listen to how the trump administration's justifying the policy. >> i would say due to the apostle paul and his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes. >> i'm not aware of the attorney general's comments or what he will be referencing. i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. that is actually repeated a
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number of times throughout the bible. >> god has ordained the government? i thought we had separation of church and state in this country. anyway, to be clear, that bible chapter right there that sessions cited, romans 13, was also used to justify slavery in the 19th century and reportedly used by hitler and the nazis in the 1930s. with me, julia ainsley, national security reporter. and nbc's jacob soboroff who toured one of those detention centers earlier this week. julia, news coming in just now that so far the government has separate 2d,000 kids from their parents? >> yes. that's right. 2,000. that's just in six weeks, going back to just before this zero tolerance policy started. that's when they started to take anybody coming over the border illegally -- that means not turning themself in at a port of entry -- and taking them away from prosecution and separating them from their children. to put that in context, if we look at the past six months from
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october to may before that, there were just over 1,000 separations over six months. now we're seeing double that in six weeks. and even that six months was higher than you would have seen under the obama administration. so this is clearly part of their plan to try to keep family units from crossing the border together. as we know, that was a population that was becoming more increased in their numbers because they were claiming asylum. these were families fleeing violence in central american countries and now we are seeing 2,000 of them separated. that number just in today. >> jacob, you touched on this before. the president has said over and over again that this is the democrats' fault. give us the truth. >> it's just a ridiculous thing to say. it is completely absurd. everything that is happening right now in terms of the overcrowding scenarios that we saw at the shelter in brownsville, the new tent city that we have been reporting on
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that's opening up at the port of entry there to deal with the overflow crowds, is a direct result of the trump administration saying we are going to have a zero tolerance policy, we're going to charge as many people as we can for crossing the border illegally. 100% if we can. they say the number is around 60% right now. if you are a family, whether you are seeking asylum or not, we are going to separate your parents, parents and children, the parents are going to go to federal court and then to federal prison. then thoey'll serve their sentence. during that time they'll be in buildings like that one we are looking at on the screen. operations run by health and human students which is for kids who come alone to the united states. not for children ripped from their parents. the parents will have to go into a federal court proceeding and go through federal trial. fer if they're convicted, they're in federal prison. they won't be reunited until they're out of federal prison
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and serve that sentence. the truthful answer is we don't know how long that process will take because this is brand-new. this just started ha ed happeni under the administration as an official policy, as an official process. they didn't even keep numbers like the ones julia cited before now because as a matter of policy they never separated children from parents so we didn't really know before. >> juliaing with , in talking a biblical justification, you sent up this tweet. been thinking a lot about the sessions/sanders argument about the bible justifying all government policy. have they forgotten jesus was tried for breaking jewish law by doing works on the sabbath? >> i've been on the phone with my priest today. didn't think that was something i would need to do in my research for one. one thing she pointed out, there were over 600 jewish laws laid out in the old testament and jesus really came in to show that there was a new way toward salvation toward god and he just laid out two main laws to follow
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and that was to love your neighbors, yourself and to love god with all of your heart. and of course, paul was trying to tell agagentiles that they cd access the kingdom of pechb. you parted out, that point of romans has been used to apply to so many awful things throughout history like apartheid and slavery. they are taking this out of context and really going away from the message that jesus had taught. it is really become pretty obvious. even the southern baptist convention has spoken out against this policy. >> it is remarkable that given the history of that particular passage, the way it was used in our american history and what it justified here and what we are still ashamed of to this day -- slavery -- that the attorney general would confidently go out and say that with a smile on his face as the reason for separating families at the border. it is just -- it's remarkable.
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this morning the president admired the perks of being a dictator. he's the head of a country, and i mean easy the strong head. don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> immediately after saying that, the president tried to tell reporters it was sarcasm. if it was, let us be clear. kim jong-un is a dictator and a murder. his regime kills or jails dissenters. the people sit at attention because they don't have a choice not to. with me now, chris daily. in hearing the president say he was being sarcastic, say he was
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joking today about kim jong-un and sitting at attention, for the leader of the nominal at least leader of the free world to even be sarcastic about that and make it seem like it's not that big of a deal, what message does that send? >> well, you know, katy, wise guys, behalf yoeso used to talk about what they call kidding on the level. i think that is what we see with president trump. he kids on the level. it means he was joking. he can always say he was joking but he is also saying what he means. inthat's exactly what we were looking at there. now, was he talking about all the people in america standing up to salute? i'm not sure that's theis ka. i think he was talking about the people who work around him and directly with him. still, the sentiment of envy of kim jong-un and his power was pretty clear. and this is a guy who suffers from how shall i say dictator
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envy. >> how is that dictator envy, how does that manifest in his foreign policy? sning we've seen again and again that he not only seems to be more comfortable with vladimir putin and kim jong-un for god's sake, than he is with, say, justin trudeau or angela merkel. but he loves the idea that these people have absolute power. and clearly, he seems to wish that he had that kind of absolute power, whether he is joking about it or being more sincere. >> chris, let me read you something that the "wall street journal" is reporting today about the g7. they say, quote, the u.s. president jarred some with blunt observations. at one point mr. trump brought up migration as a big problem for europe and then told mr. abe, shinzo, you don't have this
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problem but i can send you 25 million mexicans and you will be out of office very soon according to a senior eu official who was in the room. a sense of irritation with mr. trump could be felt but everyone tried to be fashion rational an. this effort by everyone else trying to be rational and calm, how does that strike you? >> well, it strikes me as dangerous, to tell you the truth. because it basically is enabling donald trump, enabling a man who really, i think is probably very unstable. and many of the european leaders believe he is very -- know he is very unstable, if not in fact completely nuts. so what do you do with somebody like that? you can read self help books that say how do you deal with somebody -- with a madman. they will say you sort of -- sort of cajole them and try to massage them a little bit and go along with them a little bit.
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that's okay if you are talking about a guy in the street. but when you are talking about the president of the united states that's a very dangerous position. and people are starting to get used to him. you even have people like boris johnson, the foreign secretary of great britain starting to say maybe we should try some of trump's madman techniques in negotiating with europe on the brexit deal. it's really very disturbing and it's changing the whole tenor of international politics. >> chris dickey, thank you for joining us. if you ever want to trade places for a little while, let me know. >> sure, katy. >> i don't think you are being sincere. chris dickey, thank you very much. next up, help wanted.
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one more thing before we g. we are ending how we started today w the president's impromptu 58-machine q and a with reporters in which he lied or misled the american at least 19 times. given, that you can't help but ask what it's like to work for someone like that, regardless of who it is, much less the president of the united states. the answer, when it comes to the president of the united states is probably found in the trump white house's perpetually revolving door. press secretaries, advisors, communications directors, cabinet members. while odd, it should not be surprising that the white house has hung a help wanted sign of sorts on the front door.
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almost. look at this flyer sent to capitol hill republicans ajounsing a job fair happening today. interested in a white house job? you have got to be the best, the most qualified, and above all, conservative. openings include positions at departments of defense, interior, commerce, homeland security, health and human services, nasa, energy, and treasury. act now, or act later, after all positions like that are likely to free up again. that will wrap things up at this end of this hour. >> i have got to start chuckeing at the end of your show every day. that's funny, algt now or act later. >> they want staying power, they want to look at your resume and see whether you have stayed at jobs for multiple years or not. which is hard for millennials because they are young. might have to hire old folks like me. the whole thing is something else. have a great afternoon and a
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great weekend. >> you too, ali. this morning, we are following a friday frenzy of controversies cause by a remarkably talkative president trump. the president spent the day first on twitter, then with white house reporters, then on fox news, then back to twitter. he dished out several eyebrow raising comments including some false claims and this new praise about the north korean dictator, kim jong-un. >> he's the head of a country. i mean he's the strong head. don't let anyone think any different. he sfes and people sit up at attention. i wish my people would do the same. >> what did you mean? >> i'm kidding. you don't understand sarcasm. >> it's not his posturing that's raising concern. it's also immigration policy. we have alarming new numbers how many children have been taken from the their parents at the border. in the last six weeks there were

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